To Ceroc or not Ceroc?

[Steven666]

So, as a whole, are Ceroc venues better than Non-Ceroc venues?

They are the biggest franchise, have the most research and seem to have done a stack of research but does all that make Ceroc better than it's competitor.

Any thoughts...?

(I realise this may depend on different areas/venues etc but I thought what the hell)

[David Bailey]

Better for what?

[Gav]

I've found non-ceroc places that are truly awful.

For example, on TuesdayI went somewhere that I'll probably never return to. The organisation had there desk in the main hall where no-one could hear what anyone was saying, whereas Ceroc at the same venue, have the desk just outside which works nicely. The DJ was terrible (big gaps, skipping tracks etc.) and was taking space on the dance floor (the ceroc DJ stays in the corner of the stage, out of the way). The beginners class teacher was hurried, boring and uninspiring and the intermediates teacher was only interested in teaching advanced un-leadable (don't start DJ) moves that she learnt from Australian competitions.

But then I've found non-Ceroc places that beat any Ceroc place I've ever been to by miles.

The trick is to try everywhere, and only go back to the places you like.

[Steven666]

Better for what?

(Nous!)

EDIT - Gordon Bennett. My OP was crap. I really should proof read before posting!

[stewart38]

I've found non-ceroc places that are truly awful.

But then I've found non-Ceroc places that beat any Ceroc place I've ever been to by miles.

The trick is to try everywhere, and only go back to the places you like.

I voted ceroc venues are 'generally' better

Reasons ?

Some non ceroc venues my mother would be too young to attend or the teacher hasnt drop the line dancing hat or yellow boots

There is no Taxi dancers or any idea re what to do with 'new comers' (That applies to Salsa lessons as well)

Saying that the best weekenders and dance nights (fri or sat) ive ever attended are non ceroc so go figure

[cat]

maybe it depends on your dancing needs/ what you like? Ceroc is great for beginners but my local one isnt so good for intermed/ advanced lessons. it does only three easy intermed moves a lesson. As a result, most of the better dancers have left so now its not so good for the free style after lessons. I only go to it now for weekend freestyles whcih are really good. However, the ceroc lesson i went to in edinburgh was much more interesting so i think the venues can vary a lot.

[dep]

Edinburgh has very recently changed from four beginners' moves to three in a class night. We still do three inters in the next class.
Some visitors have described our inters as closer to advanced, I certainly struggle to cope with them.

I prefer the 4+3 format but I hear we are copying some English initiative.

[StokeBloke]

Edinburgh has very recently changed from four beginners' moves to three in a class night. We still do three inters in the next class.
Some visitors have described our inters as closer to advanced, I certainly struggle to cope with them.

I prefer the 4+3 format but I hear we are copying some English initiative.

If you're doing the intermediate class, then why would it bother you that the beginners class has changed? Obviously it has been changed to make things easier for noobies. I don't understand why you would have a problem with that dep. I also don't understand why you would post your thoughts on this particular thread either - maybe I'm just plain confused....

[David Bailey]

I prefer the 4+3 format but I hear we are copying some English initiative.

Yeah, those Evil English people.

There's a thread about the 3-move thing, err, somewhere...

[dep]

Ceroc is great for beginners but my local one isnt so good for intermed/ advanced lessons. it does only three easy intermed moves a lesson........ the ceroc lesson i went to in edinburgh was much more interesting so i think the venues can vary a lot.

If you're doing the intermediate class, then why would it bother you that the beginners class has changed? Obviously it has been changed to make things easier for noobies. ........ I .. don't understand why you would post your thoughts on this particular thread ........

Hi,
Edinburgh has changed and I am keeping to the conversation CAT is having with us.
I think the beginners can cope with four moves on a night, I was there too and remember how difficult it was. I give much of my freestyle time to our beginners and that is me considering their needs, particularly if I see them sitting out.
Four moves gives more variety for the beginner to work with and allows their Leader more flexibility in the order of the moves as the newbie becomes comfortable with the class routine.
Now my explanation is longer than my comment.
This is obviously a pro Ceroc and their teaching style comment.

[David Bailey]

Ah, found it:
http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/l...ers-class.html

[dep]

Ah, found it:
http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/l...ers-class.html

thanks for taking the time to look that out.
It's a bit long for a new thread but I'm sure I can bore them as well.

[jiveaddicted]

I think personally that the indie operators tend to be a better night with regards to the teachers being in my experience more willing to getinvolved post lesson and for music requests!!! But on the whole i would say that ceroc nights have a greater level of dancer, a generally better location and a more skilled teacher on being able to pick out a dancers weakneses!!

M

[Raul]

There is no difference.

Teachers good and bad often occasionally between Ceroc and independents. Ditto DJs and organisers. Venues do not change whether they are occupied by one organisation or the other.

What makes a difference is whether you find the friends/dancers there who make your evening more enjoyable and the attitude that you bring with you.
You can have brilliant evenings in supposedly rubbish venues and poor ones in highly acclaimed ones, whoever runs them.

[FirstMove]

I think ceroc *venues* are more uniform across England. By far the best and worst in the 20-odd locations I have seen are independent.

As far as I can make out, the ceroc formula requires a bar, and licensed premises seem to look after their function rooms better than church halls/school halls *on average*.

[David Bailey]

As far as I can make out, the ceroc formula requires a bar, and licensed premises seem to look after their function rooms better than church halls/school halls *on average*.

Most Ceroc venues in the London area don't have a bar - it's actually quite rare.

But I agree that Ceroc venues are more uniform - which isn't really surprising, considering that "standards" are Ceroc's USP.

[NZ Monkey]

Most Ceroc venues in the London area don't have a bar - it's actually quite rare.

I was under the impression that they are required to sell alcohol though.

I've seen enough desks with various beverages including beer to not doubt that belief, but to be fair I wouldn't notice if somewhere didn't sell it either.

[David Bailey]

I was under the impression that they are required to sell alcohol though.

Mmmm, possibly.

Most do, I guess - but I can think of a couple of exceptions off-hand (St Albans and Muswell Hill).

[bigdjiver]

I was under the impression that they are required to sell alcohol though.

I've seen enough desks with various beverages including beer to not doubt that belief, but to be fair I wouldn't notice if somewhere didn't sell it either.

There are other non-alcohol venues in the CC region.

[Baruch]

I voted for "it depends on a whole host of things". It depends on the teacher, demo, DJ, venue, floor, other dancers, and probably a load of other factors too.

Really, the question itself is a bit daft. Everyone has their own favourite venue, which may be Ceroc but may just as easily be LeRoc, Blitz, or whoever else.

Personally I've yet to find a class that's as good as Mark & Jackie's LeRoc* class in Cardiff, but there are others who prefer one of the other classes in the area (including Ceroc). It's all very subjective.

(*Billy Cullen notwithstanding)