Hi David,
the alternative arguments that you ask for are already cited in the discussion/comments in that same link as I repeated in my post.
I contend that correct means the median line, not the angle of the coast at landfall.
FWIW I agree that this one is a stunt, but not "massively dumb" one. If the folk of Berwick had been up in arms ridiculing the idea then yes. However, they seem interested - even the local council was open to it. The impression one gets up here is that it's seen as a minor issue, and everyone seems happy that Berwick gets a bit of publicity out of it.
As ever, when it comes to drawing borders, no-one quite manages to screw it up like Westminster. They don't exactly have a great track record, mind - Kashmir, Iraq, Israel, Ulster...
Most amusing of all being Strathclyde, home to 2 nuclear power stations and - oh, that's right - the largest concentration of nuclear weapons in the world at one point. Allow me to present my second award of the day: "British Gesture Politics Stunt of the Century" - Strathclyde Councillors, 1974-1996
Hi David,
the alternative arguments that you ask for are already cited in the discussion/comments in that same link as I repeated in my post.
I contend that correct means the median line, not the angle of the coast at landfall.
Continuation of land borders, median line and proximity are all possible ways to carve it up. Proximity seems to me to be fairest as a starting point, but I'm sure in any negotiated secession, a nice simple line would be drawn.
In my earlier link, there is a row going on about which boundary line applies, with lots of pictures.
Just about the only negotiated split of a country I can think of is the Czech/Slovak split. Here, the total capital wealth of the country was split roughly in accordance with the populations of the new states (they also split their national debt). The only exception was natural resources, which belonged to whoever's state they fell in. Unfortunately, they have no sea borders, so there's no useful precedent.
The Scottish Authorities or Scottish departments of UK Authorities are responsible for controlling what is permitted in our waters.
The "line" was the first time that the UK took unilateral action on realising that much of the North Sea and it's mineral /oil wealth would fall into Scottish hands if we were ever to become independent. It was a pre-emptive move.
An arbitrary line, which if moved a few miles isn't likely to make the slightest bit of difference.
To answer DJ's question – there is no separation of Scottish and English waters as far as oil & gas revenue is concerned. (I guess there must be for rule of law but I haven't looked into this.)
It will only really be important if (when) Scotland becomes independent. I think the proximity or median lines would be the fairest way. Of course, when (if) Scotland becomes independent, I imagine the current Scotland/England border will also be re-examined. It must be possible to tidy it up a bit...
Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story
This was my impression as well - I've been on many fields in the UK sector (north and central, ie. what you would expect 'scottish' and 'english'), seen hundreds of maps, and I've never even heard of a Scottish/English border as far as fields are concerned.
FWIW here's the map of the blocks on offer for exploration as part of the 13th licensing round in the UK - including onshore acreage - and it doesn't show the border at all, even onshore. If there really was a difference between Scotland / England, you would expect to at least see the border in the way the blocks are cut.
just found the offshore map for the Central NS - no trace of border either.
Compare it with the Southern NS map and Ireland sea map - where the border with NL and Ireland is clearly shown.
I know, but it suddendly interested me to find out more about it since I had never seen that border on any field map. (and for once I can do forum stuff and pretend it's work related )
There is one obviously (see here) but I got to wonder how much purpose it had, in fact
Obviously there are different regulatory bodies in Scotland vs England, so it's useful from an administration purpose, but apart from that ? Do the revenues go straight into some sort of common UK 'pot' ?
Most tax revenues go straight to the UK pot, yes - not surprisingly, the Treasury isn't too keen on giving significant financial control to any other body. That includes oil revenues.
Personally, I think that this is a rubbish situation - I'd much rather see more local revenue be spent by local authorities. It's exactly the same with local councils - most of their financing comes from central government, which just makes local councils a joke.
And Scotland should be able to finance itself, using local revenue - it shouldn't need to come begging each year for a handout from Westminster, that benefits no-one.
But if two Scottish Chancellors in succession won't do that, what chance is there, short of independence?
this might be why they don't do it...
Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story
Back to Finchley again.
Margaret Thatcher did a lot of tampering with county boundaries to boost her election chances.
You've got people living in West Yorkshire who persist on giving their address as Lancashire instead.
Also people in Humberside who persist in giving their address as East Riding, North Yorkshire. (letters still make it through)
John Major, had the Scottish Stone taken out of Westminster Abbey and sent back to Scotland in the 1990's - forgot the year.
Quite right too. And Scotland HAS prospered since getting their stone back.
And yes, London is building thousands of new homes on a flood plain in Kent. Go figure.
Old Mother Shipton predicted that fish would swim in the street of London.
Hey sorry folks, getting carried away here.......
OK, I know Wikipedia isn't totally reliable, but the summary it gives at Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is useful as it sets out the legal framework for how the seas are divided for legal purposes between England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (I guess there's maybe something similar for dividing the Irish Sea between England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Eire)
Actually, it was the Scottish Office (ie part of the UK Government) that really ballsed up the Parliament building costs.
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