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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post

    Just how close do we need to be?
    Can the Penguin be mastered without contact?
    Any clues?
    Well, seeing as your supposed to be turning on a single axis, IMO, you need to be 'close',(I think touching is best) its just a bit naff, if your not!
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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    you need to be 'close',(I think touching is best)
    with that encouragement I'm now looking forward to even more Penquins.
    Thinking like that has pushed me up to sleaze factor4. Damn I thought this was supposed to help me.

    Any contrary opinions?

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    Just how close do we need to be?
    Can the Penguin be mastered without contact?
    Any clues?
    No, you don't need to have upper body contact – but it depends on a good frame from both leader and follower.
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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    Just how close do we need to be?
    Can the Penguin be mastered without contact?
    Any clues?
    You haven't been the only one, check out this thread on them. I got better at them since then .

    You don't need much contact but I'd say if you aren't keeping a close centre of mass with your torso then you need to maintain a V shape connection with your legs and hers getting progressively closer together. If your feet are wide apart you'll generally spin out.

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    I must say I find it dificult to lead penguins without Contact of the inner thighs, It doesn't have to be sleazy though! In Fact I don't think I've ever found it so. If a guy put his hand on My bum Or held me inappropriately then it probably could be classed as sleazy but the sheer nature of the move requires a strong upper body frame and counter balance!

    In My opinion not really a sleazy move! I can think of Far worse!!!

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    I will have to study that thread. I can see form the first few posts, that I've still not got it. Thanks Killing. My way felt nice, damn is that me up to 4.5?

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    In My opinion not really a sleazy move!
    From what's been said earlier the definition of sleaze is tied into what's in the minds of both partners. If the Follower is not comfortable with the move or the Leader then it can easily be sleazy. Similarly if the Follower by some less appropriate movement/gesture/comment implants an uncomfortable thought in the mind of the Leader, he too might not repeat that move with that partner (if his memory is any better than mine).

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    I must say I find it dificult to lead penguins without Contact of the inner thighs,
    Its a move where the follow can really assist the lead. If I know the guy/girl well, I sometimes clamp their thigh between mine.. then we're whizzing round at the speed of light..

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Its a move where the follow can really assist the lead. If I know the guy/girl well, I sometimes clamp their thigh between mine.. then we're whizzing round at the speed of light..

    Hey, Robd, have you learnt to stop yet?
    I love it! Apparently I'm not too bad at leading it either!

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    In My opinion not really a sleazy move! I can think of Far worse!!!
    Me too . But you are right though, I don't think the penguin walk is bad at all. If the follower collapses their frame a lot then it's like a rotating hug and I've got no problems with hugging people either . As a beginner I'd probably have petrified of such contact though.

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    Apparently I'm not too bad at leading it either!
    if you're very gentle and not too ambitious you could lead our first dance, but I am a newcomer to following. Then I can feel what it should be like from the other side. This could take quite a few dances to get right. (goody, as I rub my hands together with an ear to ear grin), forbidden fruit (private joke).

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by killingtime View Post
    Me too . But you are right though, I don't think the penguin walk is bad at all. If the follower collapses their frame a lot then it's like a rotating hug and I've got no problems with hugging people either . As a beginner I'd probably have petrified of such contact though.
    I wouldn't class this as a sleazy move either. I guess though, as with most things, it depends on who's doing it. In beginner classes there are men who can make a basket or a sway seem very uncomfortable or sleazy for a follower - by holding too tightly, an odd glance, a strange comment (things that are tricky to put into words but if you've experienced them you'll know what I mean). So it is possible for people to feel the same about the penguin walk - especially when learning and you're in an awkward, close position for a length of time.

    I guess what I'm trying to say it's more the person that can appear sleazy more so than the move.

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    sleaze is tied into what's in the minds of both partners.
    Quote Originally Posted by jive-vee View Post
    I guess what I'm trying to say it's more the person that can appear sleazy more so than the move.
    agreed.

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    What about that move where the follow has to straddle the leads thigh?

    Actually there is also a drop where ditto.

    How far do you ladies go? Do you sit right on the thigh?

    a. only if I fancy him

    b. only if he forces me

    c. if I don't fancy him I hover.

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    What about that move where the follow has to straddle the leads thigh?

    Actually there is also a drop where ditto.

    How far do you ladies go? Do you sit right on the thigh?

    a. only if I fancy him

    b. only if he forces me

    c. if I don't fancy him I hover.
    Tango twist and tango dip? Both interlock the knees and you feel some ladies are uncomfortable with it and they haven't even reached my thigh (legs are too short).

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    with that encouragement I'm now looking forward to even more Penquins.
    Thinking like that has pushed me up to sleaze factor4. Damn I thought this was supposed to help me.

    Any contrary opinions?
    Penguins can be led with the dancers' bodies being a foot apart. The only parts that need to be close are the feet (and then only if you're aiming for rapid spins). However, in Modern Jive they are typically led very close, which requires less technique.

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Some very contrasting and lovely wigglesome dances tonight. And I must be doing something right (or is that something wrong) as one lady? finished our dance with a double-handed bumpush !!

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebeard View Post
    Some very contrasting and lovely wigglesome dances tonight. And I must be doing something right (or is that something wrong) as one lady? finished our dance with a double-handed bumpush !!
    depending on what was in your heads, that could be interpreted as sleazy.
    But, you obviously enjoyed the compliment.

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    depending on what was in your heads, that could be interpreted as sleazy.
    But, you obviously enjoyed the compliment.
    We, and at least one onlooker, fell about laughing ;-)

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    Re: What is Sleaze?

    We......fell about laughing
    That's too much enjoyment. I need to take a share before you become overloaded.

    Now that I've had time to re-read your experience, how did you manage the escorting back to her seat after the push off?

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