What is Sleaze?

[David Bailey]

It all goes on...frotting, perving, touching, rubbing, licking...

Blimey, I'm shocked.

Next thing you'll be telling me that people have sexual intercourse at weekenders.

[cat]

Its getting off on rubbing yourself against objects/people if thats any help.

[Double Trouble]

Next thing you'll be telling me that people have sexual intercourse at weekenders.

Gotta do something to keep the cold out. Last time I was at Southport in February I saw a brass monkey crying his eyes out.

[Trouble]

I dont think there is any particular move that is sleazy. Its just something that happens between two people that make it feel sleazy although i must say i have only ever felt like that once and to be honest, after getting to know the guy, he would not have meant or wanted to come accross that way so a lot of the time i think it can be mistaken.

[Lory]

Its getting off on rubbing yourself against objects/people if thats any help.

I can't believe its not in HERE

[dep]

Its getting off on rubbing yourself against objects/people if that's any help.

The "cat" now fits into place.

[cat]

The "cat" now fits into place.

I dont know what your talking about.

[dep]

I can't believe its not in HERE

probably because one would be barred if one went to conclusion.

[dep]

I dont know what your talking about.

have you heard yourself purring as you rub yourself along my trouser leg?

But, I still have to look forward to that day/night.

Does this flirting wear off after being a Forumite for >=14days?

[cat]

Sorry your mistaken, the purring is actually the sound of your mobile vibrating in your trouser pocket.

This cats a good little pussie and behaves herself

[dep]

sshh.
You'll get me excited and that symptom may come to the fore.

[Chef]

do I have to get the dictionary out and find out if I've ever frotted?
even my spellchecker is confused!

It is an english adapation of the french word meaning - to rub. Depending what you are rubbed with and your relationship to the person doing the rubbing (or being rubbed) the activity may or may not be sleazy. A physiotherapist rubbing oil into your legs at a hospital appointment would not be sleazy but someone doing the same thing to you uninvited on a tube train would be (whether they were a physiotherapist or not).

I just want to make it clear that Blues dancing doesn't have to be an opportunity for a sleazy person to cop a feel. There are things you can do to keep things so they are comfortable for you.

If the lady puts her left hand on the front of the mans shoulder she can use pressure on the mans shoulder to maintain a distance that is comfortable for her. The guy is trying to lead you using the pressure you put into his right hand with your left shoulder. If when he puts his hand on your shoulder blade you move towards him he will move his hand closer towards himself, seeking that pressure for connection. Push your shoulder blade back into his right hand and he will have no need to pull you any closer to get connection.

The whole thing about the legs being interwined during blues dancing is a myth. The connection at knee level is between the inside of the area just above the mans right knee and the womans right knee. Pelvis to pelvis contact is not required at all. As Bill Borgida puts it "there should be enough room between you for sweet baby jesus to pass through". If there is contact at hip level that you are uncomfortable with just poke your butt out a bit. An experienced dancer will have all the contact he needs and a sleazy guy will have all the contact that he is getting.

As a leader I sometimes get blues partners who have seen this style of dancing going on and have made full body contact from knee to shoulder with me in the mistaken belief that this is what goes on in bues dancing. It makes me feel quite uncomfortable with people that I don't know really well as anything I do from there on is open to misinterpretation. I would much rather have a more open hold just to protect myself.

[dave the scaffolder]

Yes I often dance up close and personal with my partners, but only with partners who enjoy this sort of thing.

Could be males or females.

Some love it some hate it, my advice let the follower choose how close they want to be and go with that, cant go wrong then.

DTS Dave XXX XXX

[Amir]

Sleaze is any activity with a sexual conotation from someone that you don´t want to have sexual conotations with.

[Chef]

Some love it some hate it, my advice let the follower choose how close they want to be and go with that, cant go wrong then.

DTS Dave XXX XXX

Unfortuantely the sleazy guys don't let the followers choose the distance that they are comfortable with. The followers need to be armed with the knowledge they need to be able to enforce the distance that they are comfortable with.

Sleazy guys tend to target newcomers followers, particularly young ones in the hope that they are less knowlegable how to spot and control sleazy dancers. It can put a lot of younger followers off and give the whole MJ scene a bad reputation. If you spot this sort of behaviour at a venue where you dance it is worth bringing your concerns to the attention of the organiser so that they can maintain a watch. One sleazy dancer can put off an awful lot of newcomers. Your event organiser will be interested in that.

[CJ]

Does anyone else have a complete crisis of confidence when these threads come out??

Or, is ot just me...

Do I dance too close? Have I caused offence?? Have I given wrong signals?!? etc, etc.. especially after a series of silly o'clock dances at Southport.

Oh, it's a mindfield...

[cat]

Does anyone else have a complete crisis of confidence when these threads come out??

Or, is ot just me...

Do I dance too close? Have I caused offence?? Have I given wrong signals?!? etc, etc.. especially after a series of silly o'clock dances at Southport.

Oh, it's a mindfield...

Your a lovely non sleezy dancer cj

[dave the scaffolder]

Does anyone else have a complete crisis of confidence when these threads come out??

Or, is ot just me...

Do I dance too close? Have I caused offence?? Have I given wrong signals?!? etc, etc.. especially after a series of silly o'clock dances at Southport.

Oh, it's a mindfield...

Oh I say the days of being frotted by CJ.

Almost makes you want to vote Labour.

Divna give it up gadgey.

DTS Dave XXX XX

[Trouble]

no you have not done any of those CJ but could you please try harder next time you dance with me.

[dep]

Sleazy guys tend to target newcomers followers, particularly young ones in the hope that they are less knowlegable how to spot and control sleazy dancers.

At last, I have earned an anti-sleaze point to balance up the 3.5 sleaze factor I was becoming stuck with.