View Poll Results: What are your thoughts on HIJACKING?

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  • Leaders – I love being hijacked on every move I lead

    2 6.45%
  • Leaders – I like being hijacked but not excessively

    8 25.81%
  • Leaders – The odd hijack keeps me on my toes

    4 12.90%
  • Leaders – The odd hijack slightly annoys me

    0 0%
  • Leaders – Constant hijacking is annoying

    2 6.45%
  • Leaders – I hate being hijacked on every move I lead

    1 3.23%
  • Leaders – For me I think it can be dangerous

    0 0%
  • Followers - I love hijacking on every move

    0 0%
  • Followers – I like to hijacking moves occasionally

    12 38.71%
  • Followers – I never hijack as I don’t like to

    2 6.45%
  • Followers – For me I think it can be dangerous

    0 0%
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    What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    I’m keeping stum on this issue for the moment…(I’ll reply later)...

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    Re: What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    I like to sabotage* occasionally but only when I think the lead can cope with it and then it's only on a few moves per dance (and not on every dance)

    Most people would say that I'm fairly playful but hopefully not in a detrimental way - there's definitely a time and a place for it

    (*my definition of sabotage is changing one move into another - i.e. neckbreak/sway into catapult - I'm a rubbish leader so wouldn't take the lead of the dance)

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    Re: What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat264 View Post
    ... when done well, sabotage can be fantastic. YES - it's hard to do it well, (and it's definitely best done with a leader who's up for it), but it can add a great dynanmic to a dance.

    Nicest example someone's sprung on me was in Leeds recently - I'd led some kind of underarm turn which involved me turning in some way as well - and before I new it, my partner had used her momentum and mine to continue my turn, turned me under her arm, and took the lead over for a few bars. ..
    This is what I would call Hijack.

    Quote Originally Posted by HelenB View Post
    I..(*my definition of sabotage is changing one move into another - i.e. neckbreak/sway into catapult - I'm a rubbish leader so wouldn't take the lead of the dance)
    I would call this friendly sabotage. If it is done with a leader that likes it, or can at least cope with it, it is probably better called "play".

    I would reserve the term sabotage for its more severe connotations, where the follower refuses to follow. This can be for very valid reasons, i.e. being lead into a drop or UCP against their will. More capable followers can do this in a playful fashion. The less skilled have to do it as best they can in self defence. My definition of sabotage is a negative one, where some form of hostility exists on the part of the leader, trying to lead where the follow does not want to go, and some negative reaction by the follower which disrupts the dance.

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    Re: What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    I’m keeping stum on this issue for the moment…(I’ll reply later)...
    I've no problem with ladies who take a few bars for themselves (Fletch is a great one to dance with "great imagination and timing") It does add something to the dance but it has to be in the right place at the right time. If it isnt it ruins the whole dance.

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    Re: What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled Feet View Post
    I've no problem with ladies who take a few bars for themselves (Fletch is a great one to dance with "great imagination and timing") It does add something to the dance but it has to be in the right place at the right time. If it isnt it ruins the whole dance.
    But that's not classed as sabotage is it?

    Surely it's musical interpretation.

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    Re: What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    But that's not classed as sabotage is it?

    Surely it's musical interpretation.
    It's both. Hopefully.

    The follower is changing the executed move/movement from what the leader had in mind (first move plus return) to something different (first move free spin, no return, into 20 beats of solo shines). That, in my eyes, makes it "sabotage". I attach no negative connotations to that word.

    It could also be musical interpretation because the follower might be doing it in response to something in the music. Then again, it might not be musical interpretation: it might be in response to something the leader is doing, or just at random.

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    Re: What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangled Feet View Post
    ...... If it isnt it ruins the whole dance.


    The only things that can ruin an entire whole dance for me are:
    • The lead hurts me and continues to do so (too strong, thumbs, poor management of my shoulder when turning me ....)
    • The person I'm dancing with sleazes on me

    Now, I know (obviously especially DTS) all you leads are pretty darn perfect. Unfortunately, us follows are not. We have personalities that may not mesh with yours , we have (sometimes) great dance ideas and better musicality (we think) than you and occasionally we even simply make a dog's breakfast of a move or two

    I am very tempted to say "give us a break" but that could be taken in so many ways

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    Re: What are your thoughts on Sabotaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freudian Hips View Post
    We have (sometimes) great dance ideas and better musicality (we think) than you...
    Great. Express those ideas and musicality whilst following. If you can't, learn how.

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