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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Can I count you in Barry? You can get more in touch with your sensitive side.

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Hey, don't diss Carry On films - they're fantastic. Especially up the khyber, it's a masterpiece.
    If Carry on up the Khyber is a masterpiece, where are you going to get le mot juste for, say, Life of Brian?

    As social documents, the Carry on films are priceless, as indeed for outstanding performances from actors such as Kenneth Williams and Kenneth Connor. But really, the humour tends to be very laboured and often infantile.

    What was the film in which Kenneth Connor is walking around on the Forth Bridge at twilight in the rain when really the client had asked for a fourth at bridge? Now that was funny.

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    Can I count you in Barry? You can get more in touch with your sensitive side.
    I've had my sensitive side amputated.

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    Re: Something to think about!

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    Ooooh, let's start up a hippy poetry-reading commune.
    What a good idea:
    http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/c...iters-etc.html

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    As social documents, the Carry on films are priceless, as indeed for outstanding performances from actors such as Kenneth Williams and Kenneth Connor. But really, the humour tends to be very laboured and often infantile.
    So, nothing like the sophisticated subtle humour of Life of Brian then?

    British humour is "laboured and often infantile" - there's a fine slapstick tradition in this counrty, in TV and in film.

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    So, nothing like the sophisticated subtle humour of Life of Brian then?

    British humour is "laboured and often infantile" - there's a fine slapstick tradition in this counrty, in TV and in film.
    slapstick ≠ laboured and infantile; watch a Buster Keaton film for proof. Or Laurel and Hardy - the scene where Stan becomes increasingly inebriated as he tries to syphon wine from a cask into bottles is - well, genius.

    Compare with Sid James "'Stand and deliver!" followed by sounds of a new-born baby coming from inside a carriage. Not so much ho ho as ho hum.

    For comparison with Life of Brian - "What about the enemy?" "The People's front of Judea! Where?" "No, the Romans!" That's wit and sophistication. It requires education beyond potty training in order to get the joke.

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    For comparison with Life of Brian - "What about the enemy?" "The People's front of Judea! Where?" "No, the Romans!" That's wit and sophistication. It requires education beyond potty training in order to get the joke.
    To which I can only reply:
    "Infamy, Infamy... they've all got it in for me"
    and
    "Do? Do? We're British. We won't do anything... until it's too late. "


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    Re: Something to think about!

    I'm usually amused by American comedy, not British.

    British humour relies on -

    a. men dressing up as women.
    b. toilet humour.

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    To which I can only reply:
    "Infamy, Infamy... they've all got it in for me"
    and
    "Do? Do? We're British. We won't do anything... until it's too late. "

    And I'll see your infamy, and raise you "I spit on their british phlegm!", but a handful of lines in 40 odd films is hardly earth-shaking.

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    And I'll see your infamy, and raise you "I spit on their british phlegm!", but a handful of lines in 40 odd films is hardly earth-shaking.
    "Frying tonight"?
    or
    "It's a trap!" "Yeah - let's walk into it"


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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    That's just a change in fashion, not necessarily a widening of viewpoints.
    Nice to know women having the vote, gay rights and all that other liberal nonsense is simply "fashion". But at least you never called it a "fad".


    It's not rubbish. That's totally spot on.
    If you think so, then I can suggest a good psychiatrist

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    British humour relies on -

    a. men dressing up as women.
    b. toilet humour.
    Not forgetting probably the most important element, wordplay, as seen in DJs example.

    Anyway, there are so many avenues of humour now closed to us, e.g. racism and sexism, but of course that's just fashion.

    Greg

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Ooh, I missed this in all the Carry-on excitement

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    I think you're being a bit literal. The point being made is that the more wealthy and affluent we are as a society, the less happy and content we are.
    No, the point is to slag off genuine progress and bemoan the lack of The Good Old Days, When I Could Leave My Front Door Open... etc.

    I'm not that old, but I was a kid in the 70s - believe me, they weren't that good. Economic decline, misery, union blackmails, racism, truly crap music, depression and flared trousers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    Well no-one could say that about you. You're a positive little ray of sunshine.
    OK, so you're not being at all guilty of stereotyping there then? Or rushing to judgements based on reading someone's texts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    That's just a change in fashion, not necessarily a widening of viewpoints.
    I'm sorry, but that's rubbish.

    We still have racism, homophobia and other evils - we probably always will - but at least they're recognised as evil now.

    Just take homophobia - I remember Section 28, now that was a truly nasty piece of legislation, and that was only 20 years ago. But in that time, we've come from there to equality in the age of consent and civil unions for same-sex partnerships. That's not fashion, that's a genuine and real shift in perceptions - to the better.

    And to dismiss it as "fashion" is an insult to the people who fought for those basic human rights.

    So, in summary, I don't agree with most of the sentiments in the OP - things are better now than they were Back Then, and I hope that things will be better in 20 years' time than they are now.

    In other words, I'm an optimist

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    (annoying but still cute!)


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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Nice to know women having the vote, gay rights and all that other liberal nonsense is simply "fashion". But at least you never called it a "fad".
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepman View Post
    Anyway, there are so many avenues of humour now closed to us, e.g. racism and sexism, but of course that's just fashion.

    Greg
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    We still have racism, homophobia and other evils - we probably always will - but at least they're recognised as evil now.

    Just take homophobia - I remember Section 28, now that was a truly nasty piece of legislation, and that was only 20 years ago. But in that time, we've come from there to equality in the age of consent and civil unions for same-sex partnerships. That's not fashion, that's a genuine and real shift in perceptions - to the better.

    And to dismiss it as "fashion" is an insult to the people who fought for those basic human rights.
    ok, ok, I was being too flippant with the fashion comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    OK, so you're not being at all guilty of stereotyping there then? Or rushing to judgements based on reading someone's texts?
    No, I'm just being sarcastic. Lighten up.

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    If you think so, then I can suggest a good psychiatrist
    Will they ever be finished with you in time to have a spare appointment for me before they retire?

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    Re: Something to think about!

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    Will they ever be finished with you in time to have a spare appointment for me before they retire?
    It's the retired ones I'm recommending

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    It's the retired ones I'm recommending
    The ones who remember the good old days rather than the new lot, who are products of the awful society we live in with their new fangled fashionable views on mental health

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    (annoying but still cute!)
    funny that, just like me. Annoying but still cute

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    That's just a change in fashion, not necessarily a widening of viewpoints.
    Agree with this point - and not just relating to the UK. Sexism and racism still exists (maybe not to the same extent), just that it's a no-no to express it and act on it publicly - but doesn't mean it doesn't still exist.

    (btw - how does one get the multi-quote option to work?)
    Last edited by ~*~Saligal~*~; 18th-January-2008 at 12:12 AM.

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    Re: Something to think about!

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    I'm usually amused by American comedy, not British.

    British humour relies on -

    a. men dressing up as women.
    b. toilet humour.
    In Oz we get both British and American programming on TV - I find that British humour is more quick-witted and slick - whereas American humour is more slap-stick (and obvious).
    I do so prefer the British wit

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