There's some information here:
Demographics of sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As always, it depends on your definition.
It's like asking how many MJ-ers there are - do you count everyone who's ever experimented with MJ? Regular practicing (!) MJ-ers? People who do MJ occasiionally but prefer AT?
Have you read this thread? The relevance is that Mary had a child out of wedlock and I don't believe (as it is biologically impossible) that it was an immaculate conception.
Her and old Joey boy were doing the old horizontal modern jive out of wedlock. End of story.
Now who's being irrelevant?
I'm calling you Roger from now on.
Anyway...this thread is what I like to call a "Ground Hog Day" thread.
NEXT....!
Or people who have heard about MJ, want to go, but haven't attended.
Some gays are married, usually because they need to have children for heriditary purposes (ie A Duke), or because they need to be seen as "conventional" so that they can climb the greasy pole career wise. (dosn't stop them dallying though. These are usually the ones that go to Clapham Common).
Others live in far flung villages where predudice is high and everyone would find out.
Usually gays have to move to the cities to escape predudice.
San Francisco, for instance, has a 17% rate if I've understood the Wikipedia correctly.
It's far from the end of the story. If there is a God and if he is powerful enough to create the universe, as I seem to remember you said you believed (haven't re-read this thread recently), why is it so hard to believe he could cause a virgin to become pregnant? It's only impossible if there is no God.
Well, I meant that some people are gay, but remain virgins, because they think it is wrong for them to be gay. This is due to the religious view which forbids it.
Other's are gay, but will marry a woman because they need an heir, or because not being married would affect their career.
Even some hetrosexual males only marry because some companies only promote married men.
These reasons may skewer the figures and make them lower than they really are.
Last edited by Astro; 13th-April-2008 at 06:11 PM.
Fair enough, perhaps I should have re-read the thread before replying. So you don't believe in God. Then at least what you're saying is consistent with what you say you believe. I still disagree though - it all hinges on whether God is real or not, and on that issue I doubt the two sides of the debate will ever reach agreement.
Er...no.
Christ hasn't appeared to anyone - despite rumours to the contrary. Saints, including Jesus' mother, are popping in and out for tea etc. all the time (not to mention appearing on foodstuffs, inanimate objects, cloud formations and so forth) but not Jesus. He stopped after his ascension.
But even (descending to their level) by their own lights the Mormons, AFAIK, do not believe that Joseph Smith saw Jesus. He saw the angel Moron.
I'm sorry, that's Moroni.
Moroni explained the way in which contemporary christianity had deviated from or misunderstood the teachings of Jesus and Joseph started a new religion.
Amongst other things, Moroni explained that negroes were descendants of the inhabitants of the Land of Nod, therefore they all have the mark of Cain and this possibly explains why blacks were excluded from positions of authority in Mormonism until, oh, a couple of decades ago.
Interestingly, Mrs Smith - a bit of a sceptic apparently, tut tut - hid the first version of the 'gospel' that the angel had been dictating (via a stone in a hat, into which Mr Smith would plunge his face), and pretended to have lost it. Poor Mr Smith was obliged to have the angel dictate the gospel all over again.
Naughty Mrs Smith discovered many, many discrepancies between the two versions...shockingly, large numbers of people in Ohio concluded that Joseph Smith was making it all up!! Whereas, obviously, er, well obviously the angel - um - had thought of a better way to tell the story in the interim...
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