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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    I'd prefer classes to just teach moves in a way that i dance them... Where's the don't care option for the poll? The value of a class depends on the teacher, not the content...

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Quote Originally Posted by tsh View Post
    I'd prefer classes to just teach moves in a way that i dance them...
    How about a class teaching the way you should dance them, rather than the way you do dance them?

    I'm in the "keep it" camp: Recently I have found that I use the in & out quite a lot... more than any other move I think, even the first move

    That is to say I use the compression, tension and connection that is the basis of the in & out to move my partner; the actual "moves" may be different, but from the follower's perspective, they should feel the same as an in & out.

    (Try leading a basket, but use the "in" part of the in & out as the first step; lead a few "in & out"'s then go into the basket - the lead has to move towards the follower more than they may be used to, but the end result is a smooooth lead.)

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    I tend to do an one-handed in and out quite a lot. It works for me as a way of leading, but I'm less convinced that it is a useful thing to teach in a beginners class. Followers don't need to be taught it, and whilst I use it a lot now, I'm not sure I used it at all before I'd gone through the phase of learning a lot of more fancy moves.

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    To me the "In & Out" is an essential move , they teach it most weeks at Marco's but they don't emphasis the importance of tension and compression.

    Most of the followers do it with weak wrists/spaghetti arms. They are like that in freestyle as well. As they are not really getting it, it means most of the dances I have there feel slow and not connected.

    Not lively and jivey like the 5% of followers who do get it, I love those dances.

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Quote Originally Posted by tsh View Post
    Followers don't need to be taught it,
    Sorry! Why on earth not?

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Quote Originally Posted by tsh View Post
    I'd prefer classes to just teach moves in a way that i dance them...
    In other words - you want to be the teacher

    Where's the don't care option for the poll?
    Thats where you pick neither option. Its not difficult


    The value of a class depends on the teacher, not the content...
    The best teacher in the world would not make much of showing me how to drink out of a coffee cup - I defy anyone to be able to do it better than me I certainly think content is eeeeever so slightly important, the content is what you are their for in the first place.

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTramp View Post
    Sorry! Why on earth not?
    I'm not saying that the compression/connection part is not useful in the framework of a class, just that most followers seem to be able to work out roughly what the shape of the move is without any explanation.

    Depends if the aim is to teach just moves to beginners, but I think it takes more than 5 minutes to explain how this move 'works'.

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Quote Originally Posted by tsh View Post
    I'm not saying that the compression/connection part is not useful in the framework of a class, just that most followers seem to be able to work out roughly what the shape of the move is without any explanation.

    Depends if the aim is to teach just moves to beginners, but I think it takes more than 5 minutes to explain how this move 'works'.
    I find that a good number of followers either lack the frame, and/or the tension (both at beginner level, and a fair percentage of intermediates, and some 'advanced ') to do this move well.

    Sure, you could spend a lot more time on it than just 5 mins. But isn't 5 minutes better than none??

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Definately not.

    I am a Taxi and find that most beginners benefit from learning the in and out for the sake of resistance, tension and thinking time. Also, I think its nice to have a "grounding" move when the previous pattern involved lots of spinning.

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leila View Post
    Definately not.

    I am a Taxi and find that most beginners benefit from learning the in and out for the sake of resistance, tension and thinking time. Also, I think its nice to have a "grounding" move when the previous pattern involved lots of spinning.
    I also find it really useful if you've just done a "spinning" move and want to stabilise things before moving on. The advantage is that you still get to keep the connection and stay with the music. Why shouldn't it be included?

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TA Guy View Post
    One of the most important beginner moves. And one of the most important improver moves. And a very useful advanced move IMO.

    For beginners, it teaches some of the basics of the dance, tension, leverage, compression, and it does that whilst not being distracted by complicated arm movements etc.
    For improvers, it's often one of the first moves where dancers start to decorate, move their hips etc.
    For advanced dancers, a lot use it in it's own right, but it's also a great 'adjuster' move if your count to the end of phrase gets mucked up or something
    Or any dancer when stuck for something else to do

    the way i use it when i am taxi dancing is as a good way to teach lead and follow

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    No. But scrap the stupid semi-circle to the left/right


    just wondering how many people use the semi circle when leading into a freestyle dance?????
    I know i dont

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    just wondering how many people use the semi circle when leading into a freestyle dance?????
    I know i dont
    Are you a beginner??

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTramp View Post
    Are you a beginner??
    Yep i have never danced before in my life
    although i have been going to ceroc for about 9 yrs now

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    Yep i have never danced before in my life
    although i have been going to ceroc for about 9 yrs now
    Made me lol!

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Made me lol!
    Glad i made someone laff at this god forsaken hour in the day
    The thing is i just cant take dancing or myself seriously for me its just about having fun I would never enter a comp the only time i take the moves seriously is when doing my taxi dancer duties and helping a beginner who is already really nervous without me taking the micky out of them as well

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post


    just wondering how many people use the semi circle when leading into a freestyle dance?????
    I know i dont
    Well - more advanced dancers will have progressed to a full circle. Real hotshots do two, and the truly advanced god-like dancers are able to do a variety of figures (eg an ampersand '&' or a heart, or even spelling out their names in full) at will.

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat264 View Post
    Well - more advanced dancers will have progressed to a full circle. Real hotshots do two, and the truly advanced god-like dancers are able to do a variety of figures (eg an ampersand '&' or a heart, or even spelling out their names in full) at will.
    I do "Z" for Zorro, personally. Hey, a man can dream.

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat264 View Post
    Well - more advanced dancers will have progressed to a full circle. Real hotshots do two, and the truly advanced god-like dancers are able to do a variety of figures (eg an ampersand '&' or a heart, or even spelling out their names in full) at will.
    Me, I trace the boundary of the set {c s.t. orbit of 0 under z |-> z^2+c is bounded}. Sadly, after that, there's not a lot of time left for dancing...

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    Re: Should the In & Out be scrapped from lesons?

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat264 View Post
    Well - more advanced dancers will have progressed to a full circle. Real hotshots do two, and the truly advanced god-like dancers are able to do a variety of figures (eg an ampersand '&' or a heart, or even spelling out their names in full) at will.
    I supose we could do different figures for different times of the year
    something like a heart for valentines day snowflake for winter etc etc

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