Should the In & Out be scrapped from lessons?

[Steven666]

It annoys the hell out of me? Yet it tends to annoy the hell out of beginners who see it as pointless (normally by female).

I know it's a thinking move for beginner men but isn't this pretty much taught in the warm up everytime anyway with the whole stepping in and out thing. Do you need it within the rountine as well?

(I suspect the reaction will be yes it is needed in lessons but I'll do a poll anyway)

[RichardP]

It's scrapped from mine!

[StokeBloke]

No. But scrap the stupid semi-circle to the left/right

[ducasi]

The title of the thread asks show it be scrapped - but the question in the poll asks should it be there. Because of the possible confusion from this, I don't think the poll will tell us much at all.

As for the question itself... I think the "in & out" is an important part of the beginner's class. When done simply it is no more annoying that a step-across or any other basic move.

What can be annoying is when it is over decorated. K.I.S.S.

[robd]

I use it a lot when I am dancing. Admittedly it's not as exuberant as the version taught in a Ceroc class - the most recent Ceroc class I attended showed us how we could style up our In and Out but to be honest the result looked like the teacher and her demo had grabbed an electric fence with both hands - but it serves a useful purpose.
It allows an easy 'pause' of the dance such that you can time the next pattern to hit a break.
It allows you to control those followers who are insistent on passing you on the right hand side every time.
It allows the follow 'recovery' time from lots of spinning or a complex previous move and to settle for the next pattern.
Perhaps best of all, if you do it with a follow with a good connection it just feels very nice.

[Lost Leader]

No. But scrap the stupid semi-circle to the left/right

[Lynn]

No. But scrap the stupid semi-circle to the left/right

[Fusioneer]

No. But scrap the stupid semi-circle to the left/right

good point, well made

[Tessalicious]

I've always wondered whether the same people who dislike the in and out love the WCS sugar push - apart from complicated footwork, what's the difference?

[NZ Monkey]

I've always wondered whether the same people who dislike the in and out love the WCS sugar push - apart from complicated footwork, what's the difference?

About four beats

[Keefy]

The title of the thread asks show it be scrapped - but the question in the poll asks should it be there. Because of the possible confusion from this, I don't think the poll will tell us much at all

I got it wrong, I voted according to the thread title, not the poll question. I've corrected it but that one will catch out a lot of people and invalidate any results

[Steven666]

I got it wrong, I voted according to the thread title, not the poll question. I've corrected it but that one will catch out a lot of people and invalidate any results

Sorry. I typed quick again. I should stop doing that.

It should read basically "do you want it scrapped".

[David Bailey]

It annoys the hell out of me? Yet it tends to annoy the hell out of beginners who see it as pointless (normally by female).

I don't understand - why does it annoy you? Is it the semi-circle?

Because the move itself is fine - what's wrong with it? Arguably the accordion motion from the in&out is one of the core MJ characteristics. Learning the in & out is a Good Thing therefore, isn't it?

[Jamie]

It definately shouldn't be scrapped from beginners lessons!! I feel it should be taught in every beginners lesson as it's the best move through which a Ceroc teacher can actually teach basic lead and follow.

I think the in & out should be in every beginners routine.

[Keefy]

Sorry. I typed quick again. I should stop doing that. It should read basically "do you want it scrapped".

OK, I've changed my vote again Why not just post a blank poll and then set the question to give you the result you want

[Tiggerbabe]

I think it's a great move

[Lynn]

It definately shouldn't be scrapped from beginners lessons!! I feel it should be taught in every beginners lesson as it's the best move through which a Ceroc teacher can actually teach basic lead and follow.

Agree. Doesn't it teach the basics of tension and compression?

Yes, done in a silly bouncy-bouncy way it can be irritating, but as a basic simple movement (I don't really think of it as a 'move') I think its very helpful.

[Allez-Cat]

Bunny hops! I just LOVE bunny hops!

Oh - and I've never known why it's called a 'semi'-circle: I challenge anyone to execute that particular manoeuvre without completing the full circle....

Stay cool, cats.

[TA Guy]

One of the most important beginner moves. And one of the most important improver moves. And a very useful advanced move IMO.

For beginners, it teaches some of the basics of the dance, tension, leverage, compression, and it does that whilst not being distracted by complicated arm movements etc.
For improvers, it's often one of the first moves where dancers start to decorate, move their hips etc.
For advanced dancers, a lot use it in it's own right, but it's also a great 'adjuster' move if your count to the end of phrase gets mucked up or something

[MartinHarper]

I've not come across any beginner followers who are annoyed by the In & Out.

What can be annoying is when it is over decorated. K.I.S.S.

In class or in freestyle?

About four beats

Two beats.