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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    Do tell all
    Well, I don't like to blow my own trumpet.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Well, I don't like to blow my own trumpet.
    Unlike Little Boy Blue then.

    But if Angelina Jolie was a forum member, (is there anyone here that knows her well enough to guarantee that she's not?) I'm pretty sure she'd see it as an insulting lie.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Well, I don't like to blow my own trumpet.
    I am sure you would not need to if you are in a relationship with her

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    That's different - that's also an "insulting members" thing, to my mind.

    We're talking about "telling lies in general".
    Huh? How on earth does telling lies not fall under the rule about "attempts to defraud or deceive forum members"?

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    Huh? How on earth does telling lies not fall under the rule about "attempts to defraud or deceive forum members"?
    It's not targetted.

    The "I'm 7 feet tall" is a good example of that. Or, the Angelina one - although yes, arguably that's not so clearcut, Ms J may well be a forum member, who knows...

    But if I said "I'm boffing Andy McGregor", that would be a breach of forum rules. Well, probably - if I said "I'm boffing Andy McGregor, and he's useless in bed", that's definitely a breach. So to speak.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    So, to reiterate - this describes what we do at the moment.

    If you want things to change, then there are two questions:

    • do people think that, in general, the moderation team should get involved in Exposing Evil Lying Liars?
    • Do people think that, in general, the moderation team should be more heavy-handed with recidivist offenders?


    My personal view on this is:
    • No.
    • Mmm.... maybe.


    But I'd be interested in hearing other people's impressions. And please remember, this is a discussion about a general mechanism, and not any individual cases.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    It's not targetted.
    So? The rule doesn't say anything about targetted. Given the wording, I'm somewhat boggled at your interpretation, to be honest. What's the point of telling people to read the rules if you're then going to say "oh, it doesn't actually mean what it says"?

    [If I am having a momentary failure to understand plain English, explain it to me and I'll apologise].

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames
    • do people think that, in general, the moderation team should get involved in Exposing Evil Lying Liars?
    Like so many things, it will depend on the situation - I don't think every lie needs exposing. But if moderation policy is "people can't rebut a lie by posting the truth if it names and shames", then I think there's no option but for the moderators to do the exposing, when necessary.

    Imaginary scenario: I post saying "David James was banned from Ceroc for being a sleaze". From what I've experienced, If the moderators think I'm telling the truth, that post will get removed the moment it's reported ('naming and shaming'). But if they think I'm lying, it will take a lot longer, and it may never be removed at all. Am I wrong to think that's seriously screwed up?

    • Do people think that, in general, the moderation team should be more heavy-handed with recidivist offenders?
    I think a problem here is that we don't generally know what actions are taken. My perception is that it's very unusual for the moderators to take action against offenders, but I suspect that's as much because I wouldn't know about it if you did.

    But overall, yeah, I think more heavy-handedness would not be a bad thing. Although I suspect it's too late, really.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post

    I'm 7 feet tall
    You have grown again in my estimations

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    But if I said "I'm boffing Andy McGregor", that would be a breach of forum rules. Well, probably - if I said "I'm boffing Andy McGregor, and he's useless in bed", that's definitely a breach. So to speak.
    If you said you were boffing Andy Mc... all we need to do is send the men in white coats round...

    It is general knowledge he is useless in bed, so that would not be a forum lie

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    If I said, for example "Oh, and I've been boffing Angelina Jolie for the past 6 months, by the way", then I'm not actually insulting a forum member, so I'm not violating any rules. Apart from those of taste of course.
    If you tried to convince members of the forum that you were having carnal relations with Ms. Jolie, then you would be attempting deceive us.

    Quote Originally Posted by General Forum Rule 12
    Any attempts to defraud or deceive our members may result in your account being suspended
    I think that's abundantly clear. Nothing about "targetting" deception. Nothing about "insulting" deception. Deception is bad. It can get your account suspended. The end.

    If you want the rules to say something else, feel free to change them.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Just thinking about the dancing aspect (If Barry really is an Orthodox Rabbi, I really don't mind) you do have Franck.

    So when NZ Monkey and I start advocated surprise aerials and drops, it should be a simple matter for Franck to post, "Um you're nuts - this is wrong". His credentials are well known so it's a good reference point.

    As I said earlier I think you have to treat what's posted here with a pinch of salt. Amir's suggested that the Forum is a good place to find questions, but you need to look elsewhere for answers.

    Hopefully a person wanting to use ideas from here would have the sense to go and check the stuff with someone they know, or at least try it out carefully.

    Likewise if the World Champion is posting one thing and a lot of people post another, that's a red flag to tread carefully with the advice.

    I think where I'm going is that getting into arguements about credentials on the actual thread is counter-productive. It's better off in another thread, or done through moderators.

    As to how heavy-handed you should be? I refer you to the movie "Roadhouse"

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    I think that's abundantly clear. Nothing about "targetting" deception. Nothing about "insulting" deception. Deception is bad. It can get your account suspended. The end.
    Mmm, yeah. Good point. I guess deception, by definition is deception... I'll bear that in mind.

    OK, I'll come clean, I'm not boffing either of them.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    It is general knowledge he is useless in bed, so that would not be a forum lie
    This is a fact that I'm willing to prove to any group of 3 or more women

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    This is a fact that I'm willing to prove to any group of 3 or more women
    You wish to prove you are useless in bed!!!!!! It's ok, I'll take your word for it.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Likewise if the World Champion is posting one thing and a lot of people post another, that's a red flag to tread carefully with the advice.
    Have I missed the obvious ... but isn't there no such thing as a World Champion? We don't even have a European Champ yet. Come to think of it we don't EVEN have a single UK Champ ... wonder if we could have a 'dance off' between the Champs of all the federations to have a single 'unified' champion ... a la boxing?

    OK ... totally off thread, I know ....

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Have I missed the obvious ...
    From earlier in the thread....
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    The problem is that in this instance you and others can get hurt through following bad advice

    "In my 237 years experience as a Ceroc World Champion I've found there's nothing women like more than to be surprised by drops - don't ask them, it spoils the surprise. And fast sudden ones with no warning are the best"

    Quote Originally Posted by NZ Monkey View Post
    OK Ghost, clearly the poster here is mistaken and nobody in their right mind would take them seriously.

    Everybody knows it's the surprise aerials that really float their boat!
    Quote Originally Posted by jeanag View Post
    I think the 237 years is mmmmm perhaps a slight exageration?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    But not that I'm World Champion?
    Quote Originally Posted by jeanag View Post
    I don't know you so for all I know you could be and if you are well -
    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_clay View Post
    And which comp bills themselves as the world champs ??....,
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    I've been hosting it for the past two centuries. Sadly no-one else ever shows up so I win by default (It was intended in the same vein as the 237 year's experience, but also as a 'credible' example of complete fiction)

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    You wish to prove you are useless in bed!!!!!! It's ok, I'll take your word for it.
    Oh no, I insist

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I am sure you would not need to if you are in a relationship with her


    Plus, he'd have to be ambidexterous.

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Have I missed the obvious ... but isn't there no such thing as a World Champion?
    There's probably a few Ceroc world champions who are very miffed at this misconception
    Or not...

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepman View Post
    There's probably a few Ceroc world champions who are very miffed at this misconception
    Go on ... name the ones you think are World Champion ... or who think they are World Champions

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    Re: Should you challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepman View Post

    I'm sorry but it so looks like it was written by a seven year old writing their address - all that's missing is "The Universe"

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