Should you challenge?

[~*~Saligal~*~]

*snip*
On a subjective note... a certain [wannabe] Latin dancer who amused the forum for a while, having stopped posting on the Aussie forum (and 100% lied about who he was), has found another forum to chat on (purely for research and for his proffesor you understand)... this is all IMHO you understand... I could be wrong......

pop quiz... can you work out what poster and what forum?*snip*

I know the poster... but where is he contaminating now???

[David Bailey]

The one big problem I have, is that if someone is willing to lie about their background, they're probably not averse to starting a ruck and getting threads taken outside if they're challenged. After the sixth time, the people doing the challenging get fed up. Plus the threads are deleted so newer members are unaware of such goings on. Not to mention all the bad feeling it causes.

Um. There is a case for saying that the moderating team are a bit too "nice" - and this is me saying that - in that we're collectively extremely reluctant to ban people for, basically, being, ummm, idiots (for want of a better word).

On the other hand, if we go around disciplining and banning people all over the place, we'll get complaints that we're being heavy-handed and authoritarian. We get those complaints at the moment - and whilst that's part of the job, I certainly don't want to dampen people's enthusiasm to post.

However, if people think that the disciplining process is ineffectual, I think that's something we could review - is that the general feeling?

And let's face it if the Moderators go rogue, we've got bigger problems

"Rogue Moderator" sounds as a title

[Tessalicious]

I know the poster... but where is he contaminating now???

I'll give you two guesses which forum he landed on recently. Clue - we're talking on it right now.

Fortunately, he seems to have disappeared since the daft 'research' statement. Although the outrage at that was one of the most entertaining moments since the 'why is woodface not going to Southport' fiasco.

[David Bailey]

Although the outrage at that was one of the most entertaining moments since the 'why is woodface not going to Southport' fiasco.

New thread idea, "most entertaining forum moments over the past year"...

[Martin]

I'll give you two guesses which forum he landed on recently. Clue - we're talking on it right now.

Fortunately, he seems to have disappeared since the daft 'research' statement. Although the outrage at that was one of the most entertaining moments since the 'why is woodface not going to Southport' fiasco.

Clue... You have only posted there 3 times, and your last post was July 2006

You have gotta love a bit of research

[jeanie]

What do you need a rich woman for Martin? I thought you and your clever accountant were minted

Would save him spending his won money I guess...

[Sheepman]

And which comp bills themselves as the world champs

There is only one that I know of in Ceroc that claims this title, but knowing who holds this title, it's hard to see it as a serious one.
There are plenty of world titles in ballroom, latin, salsa, line dance, and I'm sure in many more other dance styles.

But this is going off thread. I'm with Andy on this one, if someone is telling lies on here, as in real life, they should expect to be challenged. Unsurprisingly, the question of providing proof will put most people off making any challenge.

Greg

[mabraham]

Well, except some of us don't keep track of who all the other mods are, etc.

I have actually asked a mod about this in the past, and basically been told "there isn't really a way of sending a PM to all the mods".

We had this issue this year on the now-defunct Australian forum. Robert was able to set up a thread area where anyone could start a thread, but only the starter and the mods could read and reply. This served the purpose admirably for discussion of issues relevant to a one normal poster and the mods.

[Andy McGregor]

But this is going off thread. I'm with Andy on this one, if someone is telling lies on here, as in real life, they should expect to be challenged. Unsurprisingly, the question of providing proof will put most people off making any challenge.

Greg

Providing proof is still naming and shaming and will get you infractions

It seems that you can lie on here with complete impunity. If you are challenged the person who challenges you will get an infraction because they have named and shamed you.

Andy

p.s. I am 6' 9"

[Martin]

p.s. I am 6' 9"

Would this claim be classed as a "tall story"

[~*~Saligal~*~]

I'll give you two guesses which forum he landed on recently. Clue - we're talking on it right now.

Fortunately, he seems to have disappeared since the daft 'research' statement. Although the outrage at that was one of the most entertaining moments since the 'why is woodface not going to Southport' fiasco.

Yeah - I read the stuff on this forum from him and I thought he had pretty much left (TG) ... I thought Martin was making reference to another forum...

[David Bailey]

It seems that you can lie on here with complete impunity.

Technically, yes - as you can do in real life.

As Gadget says, this is an online bar. You can tell porkies if you want - you may get challenged, you may not. As long as you don't actually dance on the tables or insult fellow patrons, the bar staff are unlikely to get involved. Some might even argue that telling tall tales is the mark of a fun bar...

[Andy McGregor]

Technically, yes - as you can do in real life.

As Gadget says, this is an online bar. You can tell porkies if you want - you may get challenged, you may not. As long as you don't actually dance on the tables or insult fellow patrons, the bar staff are unlikely to get involved. Some might even argue that telling tall tales is the mark of a fun bar...

Although you don't get the bar staff coming over and telling you off if you say "you're lying, I know you are and I can prove it". There is a big difference between a tall story and a lie that is told to gain trust or favour - does the forum differentiate between the two?

[David Bailey]

Although you don't get the bar staff coming over and telling you off if you say "you're lying, I know you are and I can prove it".

Yep - that's because it's the equivalent of "You lookin' at my bird?"

There is a big difference between a tall story and a lie that is told to gain trust or favour - does the forum differentiate between the two?

Dunno, does it? The rules don't specifically talk about this stuff as you know.

P.S. I'm 6'10", so

[Martin]

P.S. I'm 6'10", so

I think you are telling porkies... but I can't prove it....

Anyone wanna take a tape measure to DavidJames

[Andy McGregor]

Yep - that's because it's the equivalent of "You lookin' at my bird?"

And what if the guy is actually staring at your bird and making her feel uncomfortable? Is the starer or the guy that asks him to stop that should be punished? The pub example is one of a pub that tolerates perverts. Soon it will become a pub that women avoid.

Also, we are not talking about someone who has been looking at our bird. What it's more like is somebody coming into our pub and selling stolen goods. We're talking criminal lies, not a bit of "friendly" perving

If this forum continues to punish people who call out liars it will eventually become a forum for liars - because the honest poster will get fed up with reading lies that are allowed to go unchallenged.

And, I'm not talking about differences of opinion. I'm talking about blatant lies that are posted to gain trust. At the moment it's impossible to say that the post contains a lie.

[MartinHarper]

The rules don't specifically talk about this stuff as you know.

Yes they do.

Any attempts to defraud or deceive our members may result in your account being suspended.

[David Bailey]

Yes they do.

That's different - that's also an "insulting members" thing, to my mind.

We're talking about "telling lies in general".

If I said, for example "Oh, and I've been boffing Angelina Jolie for the past 6 months, by the way", then I'm not actually insulting a forum member, so I'm not violating any rules. Apart from those of taste of course.

[Martin]

At the moment it's impossible to say that the post contains a lie.

The thing is, although there are many dancers, it is also a small comunity in some ways.

When you make a claim, be aware, there are people on the forum who know the truth.

When you do not tell the truth or want to post under an assumed name and lie about who you are or extend the truth, I for one, think this is bad form.

As I know a fair amount of people on the forum (UK, Aussie and NZ)... I consider it insulting when they lie and attack people who I see as friends

[caveat, I have been dumb sometimes in what I have said, but I have always been up front in who I am, and been willing to apologise when needed]

[Martin]

I've been boffing Angelina Jolie for the past 6 months

Do tell all