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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post

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    1) What is your usual style of leading? Fingertip or fuller grip? Why?
    What does "fuller grip" mean?

    I don't like any connection that matches my concept of "grip".

    But I don't like fingertip connections either.

    I mostly lead with the middle finger (does that sound as bad to readers as it seems to me writing it?).

    I lead one finger, but the whole finger (fuller grip?), not finger tips. And I don't like it when followers give me only finger tips.

    I still try to give a light lead (although I know I've gone heavier/stronger/more forceful than I was a year ago). But it seems to me there is no real relationship between fingertips or "fuller grip" and light or heavy lead.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    I've just read most and skimmed the rest of this thread.

    I hate "fingertip" connections, as it's not easy to convey all the necessary information with such limited bandwidth. "Fuller grip" connections have much greater bandwidth.

    I like one-finger connections as they require less energy (good from a global greenhouse point of view), and less immediate effort (good from an "I want to dance all night" point of view).

    This thread seems to confuse the two, as many posters have been writing about single finger connections, which are not necessarily fingertip connections.

    I hate fingertip connections (as they don't have the necessary bandwidth).
    My connection is full finger, but usually only one finger -- I use other fingers (or thumb) when needed to convey extra information.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by timbp View Post
    What does "fuller grip" mean?
    I don't like any connection that matches my concept of "grip".
    Well, fingertip and fuller grip were the phrases chosen as much for the rhyming aspect as for the fact they encompass the spectrum of possibilities. I acknowledge grip to be a poor choice in retrospect as it tends to be associated with excessive force.

    Quote Originally Posted by timbp View Post
    But it seems to me there is no real relationship between fingertips or "fuller grip" and light or heavy lead.
    I wouldn't say there was - as I said in my initial post when Amir mentioned it to me in a private he said that he felt a fuller hold was preferable simply because it felt nicer for the follow, nothing to do with light or heavy lead.

    Quote Originally Posted by timbp View Post
    I like one-finger connections as they require less energy (good from a global greenhouse point of view), and less immediate effort (good from an "I want to dance all night" point of view).
    Don't agree with this. Really, how much more energy & effort does it take to establish a fuller hand hold than a single finger one?

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Don't agree with this. Really, how much more energy & effort does it take to establish a fuller hand hold than a single finger one?
    Quite a lot if you compare the lightness of the lead.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Quite a lot if you compare the lightness of the lead.
    I don't agree.

    I don't believe that use of a single or multiple fingers is intrinsic to a lighter or heavier lead nor, for that matter, to the satisfaction of the lady.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    I don't agree.

    I don't believe that use of a single or multiple fingers is intrinsic to a lighter or heavier lead nor, for that matter, to the satisfaction of the lady.

    I think what a single finger or fingertip lead can do is to remove a lot of the potential for a heavy lead. As such, I think they can be, amongst other things, wonderful exercises for learning to lighten one's lead (I've used single-finger leads like that in the past - haven't tried fingertip leads much) But to use a fuller handhold in a light but highly-connected fashion is something I find an absolute joy.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Everytime I read the title of this thread, I read...

    Fingertip or fuller figure?
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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    I don't agree.

    I don't believe that use of a single or multiple fingers is intrinsic to a lighter or heavier lead nor, for that matter, to the satisfaction of the lady.
    Well, except in that a beginner lady may want to lean on you more if you provide a fuller grip, and that it's impossible to do so if you use a fingertip lead.

    Which is why fingertip leading is a good exercise, of course.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Is it just me?

    Or is this thread (title and contents) completely riddled with double entendres?


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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra Woman View Post
    Is it just me?

    Or is this thread (title and contents) completely riddled with double entendres?

    Well, I did read ur first post thinking that U were a 2 finger kinda girl!!

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra Woman View Post
    Is it just me?

    Or is this thread (title and contents) completely riddled with double entendres?

    It's you. You perv.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    It's you. You perv.
    well her first post was totally full of personal preferences

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat264 View Post

    I think what a single finger or fingertip lead can do is to remove a lot of the potential for a heavy lead.


    However, I don't think that's such a good thing taking the long-term view. It's really much better if you're able to use a fuller connection without being an excessively heavy lead. In order to get good at this you need to go through a period of not being so good at this.

    Removing the potential for a lead to be heavy by removing the possibility of developing an even better connection seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater to me.

    If the baby insists on grisling and crying all the time (especially at 2am) I can't say I blame you though...

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by timbp View Post
    What does "fuller grip" mean?
    I'm assuming (RobD please correct if I'm wrong ) that this is what's referred to in the Jango dvd

    "Beginners learn to dance without thumbs because they can't distinguish between 'lightly resting on the back of her hand' and 'digging into the back of her hand'. Here's a test - rest your thumb on the back of her hand and remove it. If there's a white mark *Kate yelps* you're pressing too hard"

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    I did a dance at SP with just two fingers (one on each hand) with my hands otherwise clenched into a fist to see how easy/difficult it was.

    And it was so simple so why people have to yank anyone is beyond me.
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    When I started dancing I was (and still am) really worried about harming the lady I was dancing with. Those who have met me know that I am a fairly big built guy. So from those early shaky stages I practiced leading with a couple of fingers, and then as lightly as possible. I did not want to be the guy that Zebra woman talks about as leading her into an off-beat Pretzel and yanking her arm!

    I didn't learn to lead with fingertips to be showy, rather out of respect for the fact that there were, and still are many time when I get things a little wrong. How much better that my physical connection breaks at that point, than my follow's wrist does

    I would supplement this by saying that if you are only leading using the follow's hands, then you're missing out on a lot of possibilities for fun and variation in your dancing.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    I did a dance at SP with just two fingers (one on each hand) with my hands otherwise clenched into a fist to see how easy/difficult it was.

    And it was so simple so why people have to yank anyone is beyond me.
    Yanking and type of handhold are not necessarily linked. I could yank using a fingertip lead if I chose to just as it is possibe to lead smoothly and lightly using all the fingers on one hand.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Yanking and type of handhold are not necessarily linked. I could yank using a fingertip lead if I chose to just as it is possibe to lead smoothly and lightly using all the fingers on one hand.
    True but what percentage of persistant yankers use one finger?

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    True but what percentage of persistant yankers use one finger?
    I think it was 62.7% on the last MORI poll.

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    Re: Fingertip or fuller grip?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Yanking and type of handhold are not necessarily linked. I could yank using a fingertip lead if I chose to just as it is possibe to lead smoothly and lightly using all the fingers on one hand.
    Yes, I've gone right off fingertip leading over the past few years - and especially after starting Tango.

    More contact is nicer

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