Detox and Colonic irrigation does it work ?

[stewart38]

Diets , life style changes its not working well im not trying but hey ho

I’ve heard and seen so many people do ‘Detox’

Use to be in January now appears people do it all the time (4 are doing at work kind of water base with honey etc) . Article today in The Daily Mail about a women who did 3 weeks detox and Colonic Irrigation to cleanse the body in Thai land

I thought after 24/48 hours the craving for food gets less and as long as you drink fluids etc etc your ok for a while

Someone else said you are basically starving your body and it could do long term damage to organs ??

Any one done this care to share the details ?

You going to loose weight but is it worth it ?

[Aleks]

Detox can mean lots of things.
It depends what your starting point is.

Hitler McKeith's diet is a general lifestyle detox programme cutting out wheat, dairy products and red meat (as well as caffeine and alcohol).

Are you looking for a quick-fix or more long term plan?

[stewart38]

Detox can mean lots of things.
It depends what your starting point is.

Hitler McKeith's diet is a general lifestyle detox programme cutting out wheat, dairy products and red meat (as well as caffeine and alcohol).

Are you looking for a quick-fix or more long term plan?

Quick fix for sure, a kick start

[Barry Shnikov]

Detox can mean lots of things.
It depends what your starting point is.

Hitler McKeith's diet is a general lifestyle detox programme cutting out wheat, dairy products and red meat (as well as caffeine and alcohol).

Are you looking for a quick-fix or more long term plan?

Can we please get this straight. Gillian McKeith knows next-to-nothing about nutrition.

[Aleks]

Not sure what is available in your area but in both Edinburgh and Glasgow there are centres that specialise in this stuff. They provide a whle package of nutritional supplements (usually breakfast and lunch ' smoothies), exercise (or something that stimulates your lymph system) and occasionally colonic irrigation/herbal purges.

These are a great way to kick-start your system but generally are useless unless you're prepared to change your lifestyle to keep your system clean afterwards.

[Aleks]

Can we please get this straight. Gillian McKeith knows next-to-nothing about nutrition.

But she probably knows a great deal more than you do, or Stewart 38.

I;m not an NHS trained nutritionist, but I do have an internationally recognised qualification in my field. Most of 'that woman's advice is in line with the training I received. She's a well known figure who has caused many people to question the crap that they reguarly ingest. If only for that her presence is valid. Jamie Oliver is a chef who successfully campaigned to improve school dinners. Do we know what he knows about nutrition?

[straycat]

Detox can mean lots of things.
It depends what your starting point is.

Hitler McKeith's diet is a general lifestyle detox programme cutting out wheat, dairy products and red meat (as well as caffeine and alcohol).

I'm actually on something similar to this at the moment, and have been for over two months (long-term plan, and under the advice of a very good dietician - nowt to do with Ms McKeith) The only other major thing not on that list is refined sugar. No more chocolate, coke etc etc etc)

It was principally because I was very low on energy for a prolonged period. Results have been very effective - energy is much better now, generally I'm healthier, and probably not inconsequentially (although weight-loss wasn't the chief intention), have lost ten pounds which I can quite happily do without. Done right, I think they're a very good thing.

The only thing I found really hard to cut out of my diet was coffee . (luckily I only had to reduce wheat intake - not eradicate it)

[stewart38]

But she probably knows a great deal more than you do, or Stewart 38.

Hey i didnt say anything about her

[Aleks]

Hey i didnt say anything about her

I know, I know.

Oops - I should have mentioned sugar too.

[Barry Shnikov]

But she probably knows a great deal more than you do, or Stewart 38.

I;m not an NHS trained nutritionist, but I do have an internationally recognised qualification in my field. Most of 'that woman's advice is in line with the training I received. She's a well known figure who has caused many people to question the crap that they reguarly ingest. If only for that her presence is valid. Jamie Oliver is a chef who successfully campaigned to improve school dinners. Do we know what he knows about nutrition?

Did you read the link?! She's a menace, because she thinks she knows more than she does. As Pope put it, "a little learning is a dangerous thing..." It's impossible to know whether a particular recommendation she makes - 'such-and-such improves neurological response in cardiac nerves' is true or claptrap; her misinformation is so profound, it cannot be said that it cannot be harmful.

Jamie Oliver does not say anything more specific, AFAIK, about nutrition other than things such as 'school meals need rather less fat and sugar and more vegetables and fruit than has become commonplace (and turkey twizzlers are disgusting)'.

As opposed to McKeith's rather more specific claims that eating certain types of herb will have particular effects which would actually make them medicines.

[Barry Shnikov]

Oh, and by the way knowing more about nutrition than me is no qualification for anyone to give nutritional advice to the public.

And if you give nutritional advice I hope you know more than her too.

[Aleks]

Did you read the link?! She's a menace, because she thinks she knows more than she does. As Pope put it, "a little learning is a dangerous thing..."

Jamie Oliver does not make anything more specific, AFAIK, about nutrition other than things such as 'turkey twizzlers are disgusting and school meals need rather less fat and sugar and more vegetables and fruit than has become commonplace'.

As opposed to McKeith's rather more specific claims that eating certain types of herb will have particular effects which would actually make them medicines.

I did read the link and I agree that she's a nutter in some respects.
However that doesn't make ALL of her knowledge useless.

All herbs ARE medicines in controlled quantities. (See Culpepper's Complete Herbal from the 17th century.)
In fact, anything ingested has the potential to be medicine, dependent on what is required and in what quantity.

[Aleks]

As opposed to McKeith's rather more specific claims that eating certain types of herb will have particular effects which would actually make them medicines.

I have three of her books and the DVD, bought solely to enable me to give an informed opinion of their content (no TV so haven't really seen her in action) as so many people wanted to know what I think of her.

There is little mention in any of the literature I have of any medical claims, though she does seems to be very fond of dulse/seaweed for mineral content.

Have you read any of these books or do you have a 'little information' on her rantings based on what you've read in the media?

[batnurse]

OK, here goes...

"Detox" is a made up concept to sell products to people looking for a quick fix. Our bodies detox themselves via our liver, and excrete waste products through the kidneys. There is nothing we can do to speed this process up other than eating a well balance diet and cutting back on alcohol (both of which aid the function of the body, especially the liver).

Colonic irrigation is even more bogus than detox. Our colons are self cleaning organs! By artificially emptying them, you will not only remove the faecal matter that nature would get rid of anyway, but you will lose all of the good bacteria that's in there too. This bacteria keeps your colon healthy, supresses bad bacteria, and even synthesises vitamins. People feel better after a colonic because it simulates defication - which naturally lowers your blood pressure temporarily (A&E departments will give an enema to someone with mildly elevated blood pressure for that reason).

Gillian-I-bought-myself-a-PhD McKeith is a quack. Just because some of her advice makes sense doesn't make her any good. My Mum always told me to eat lots of fruit and veg, not to eat chips, get some exercise...it doesn't make her a nutritian expert, it just makes her someone with common sense.

Yes I have seen her on the telly, yes I did read one of her books (a friend asked for my opinion on it). Yes I have two biological science degrees (I studied for them) and yes I do work in the NHS, although not giving people advice on what to eat.

[batnurse]

Diets , life style changes its not working well im not trying but hey ho

I’ve heard and seen so many people do ‘Detox’

Use to be in January now appears people do it all the time (4 are doing at work kind of water base with honey etc) . Article today in The Daily Mail about a women who did 3 weeks detox and Colonic Irrigation to cleanse the body in Thai land

I thought after 24/48 hours the craving for food gets less and as long as you drink fluids etc etc your ok for a while

Someone else said you are basically starving your body and it could do long term damage to organs ??

Any one done this care to share the details ?

You going to loose weight but is it worth it ?

Sorry, in my previous rant I forgot to address the original question!
These diets are basically starvation, which will cause an initial weight loss, but are very harmful and counter-productive anyway. Your body will go into a state of ketosis, which is what happens to someone with uncontrolled type 1 diabetes. Long term effects include blood vessel damage and blindness among others. Your body goes into starvation mode and the number of calories you need decreases too, this means that when you start eating normally you will put even more weight on (classic yo-yo dieting effect).
I put on three stones in weight a couple of years ago when I developed an autoimmume thyroid problem. I have lost half of it now but it is very hard! There are no quick fixes - eat a bit less and exercise a bit more is all we can do. Ceroc is fab for losing weight!!!! Good luck

[Barry Shnikov]

All herbs ARE medicines in controlled quantities. (See Culpepper's Complete Herbal from the 17th century.)
In fact, anything ingested has the potential to be medicine, dependent on what is required and in what quantity.

Sorry, Aleks, but that's simply not true. It sounds plausible, but there's absolutely no evidence that the vast majority of herbs are capable of affecting the body as a medicine. If a nutritionist knows of any herbs that are capable of doing that, then he/she should be extremely wary of suggesting people should take them since he/she cannot be certain, without full medical training, what the secondary and tertiary effects might be, whether the primary effect might cause problems elsewhere in the patient, whether there might be any problems caused by taking more than one medically active item at the same time, and so on.

There's a reason why doctors train for seven years and why drugs and treatments have to be tested, tested and tested again and that's because it's not safe to simply say 'Oh, have some of this it's good for the circulation' without knowing whether the person you are dealing with has, eg., incipient anaemia.

Since you accept that GM is at least partially ignorant, can you explain how someone who knows nothing about nutrition is supposed to know when she is making good sense and when she is spouting dangerous nonsense?

It would be like being told - "go and see this lawyer; he's a leading expert in two particular subjects - but on everything else he is completely ignorant but he acts as though he knows everything". If you've got a family law issue and his two expert subjects are probate and intellectual property you are screwed.

[Barry Shnikov]

I have three of her books and the DVD, bought solely to enable me to give an informed opinion of their content (no TV so haven't really seen her in action) as so many people wanted to know what I think of her.

There is little mention in any of the literature I have of any medical claims, though she does seems to be very fond of dulse/seaweed for mineral content.

Have you read any of these books or do you have a 'little information' on her rantings based on what you've read in the media?

I've certainly not read any of her books. Here is a woman who claims to be a doctor and then is obliged to remove 'Doctor' from her web site advertising medically active products, to confess that she 'studied really hard' to get a PhD from an uncredited institution, boasts of professional membership of another institution which happily gave the same thing to a dead cat (for a fee) and then when challenged on her bona fides threatens law suits rather than proves that she is what she claimed to be - I don't need to know anything more.

If I need nutrition advice I'll go to someone who really has studied hard and has the qualification to prove it. Then I don't have to wonder which bits of the woman's waffling is accurate and which isn't.

I'm certainly not about to do anything which will put a penny in her pocket.

I'm more incensed about her having her own TV programme which gives the impression that people should pay attention to her dietary advice than I am about all the TV phone-in scandals.

[Barry Shnikov]

OK, here goes...

"Detox" is a made up concept to sell products to people looking for a quick fix. Our bodies detox themselves via our liver, and excrete waste products through the kidneys. There is nothing we can do to speed this process up other than eating a well balance diet and cutting back on alcohol (both of which aid the function of the body, especially the liver).

Colonic irrigation is even more bogus than detox. Our colons are self cleaning organs! By artificially emptying them, you will not only remove the faecal matter that nature would get rid of anyway, but you will lose all of the good bacteria that's in there too. This bacteria keeps your colon healthy, supresses bad bacteria, and even synthesises vitamins. People feel better after a colonic because it simulates defication - which naturally lowers your blood pressure temporarily (A&E departments will give an enema to someone with mildly elevated blood pressure for that reason).

Gillian-I-bought-myself-a-PhD McKeith is a quack. Just because some of her advice makes sense doesn't make her any good. My Mum always told me to eat lots of fruit and veg, not to eat chips, get some exercise...it doesn't make her a nutritian expert, it just makes her someone with common sense.

Yes I have seen her on the telly, yes I did read one of her books (a friend asked for my opinion on it). Yes I have two biological science degrees (I studied for them) and yes I do work in the NHS, although not giving people advice on what to eat.

Can I use that phrase? "Gillian-I-bought-myself-a-PhD McKeith" - says in a few words what I've been burbling about for hundreds. Curse you, Red Baron!

[rubyred]

Well I tried the slice of lemon in the hot water thing years ago and have some nettle tea and it seems to shift some substances in the mornings...sorry too much information I know but anything that gets people rethinking all the crap they consume can't be a bad thing. She may not be a medical doctor but as a celebrity doctor and encouraging people to eat healthy can't be too much of a bad thing. I suppose the basic premise is we are what we eat, if I eat loads of white bread, pasta and drink my beloved stella and raspberry vodka I feel and look ugh. Now I eat wholemeal pasta, and only drink stella on occassions. have cut down on the fruity vodka to a zero, go to the gym and drink more water and feel a lot better. Not nuclear science really just a bit of common sense. I don't agree with invasive surgery like colonic irrigation and think that nature's way is best. Our bodies were designed to help us to survive and stripping away natural thingys is not good. I don't think we shouldn't mess with the way our defences work naturally, but we could enhance it with natural goodness like a good balanced diet which includes the fruit, veg and protein we need in sensible proportions.This will/should lead to natural colonic irrigationa and detox surely.

[Clueless]

ok I am going to try and be perched on the fence here (and risk being fired upon from both sides) But some herbs have shown some beneficiary effects Garlic for instance is good for beating Fungal infections and is a good antiviral, despite making your breath honk. Ginger has several benefits relief from heartburn and gas being one.

Despite these effect they are lacking in hard scientific evidence so whether they do what they say has yet to be found out.