I thought the thread was about having ago at the Police ?? Nothing about blame ??
I thought the thread was about having ago at the Police ?? Nothing about blame ??
from the very first post, where i mentioned "It seems the case now hinges on whether the MET broke health and safety laws. something they strenuously deny."
I started this thread because the MET claim they have no case to answer, I think they have to take ALL of the blame and take steps to make sure it doesnt happen again. A bit of honesty and less smoke and mirrors with composite pictures of not-at-all-alike people and excuses is in order.
Blame the victim culture.
If he had the right documents, in the same circumstances, he would still have been shot.
You cannot know he would still be alive. One reason for not being back in Brazil is that their police, in the opinion of many, are not as good as ours. Life expectancy is certainly lower there.
You also mentioned what the media had reported and how some people had reacted.
The media reports of the incident where what I quoted in my initial reply and what inspired me to say what I did. Therefore, Barry, I think you'll find that my comments on related matters are just as valid in this thread as yours are.
oh i thought i did - no wonder no one commentedOriginally Posted by Barry
here it is. Its the dishonesty of using a half n half picture that annoys me. They are clearly hoping it makes it look difficult to tell them apart but if you look at the pictures individually, the similarity is mindbogglingly absent.
Just so it's clear I've attached both headshots (awful sick pun intended). The Hussein one in the composite above is without the beard of course, it does help with the lie that they look like each other I'm sure
on another note - you MUST read this... some evidence of how reliable eye witnesses are
The polices own statements say 7 shots and mention the fact that JCdM was sitting down and THEN stood up when armed officers approached to see his "not normal hands" and that he was wearing a denim jacket. The witnesses stories vary quite a bit from that (understatement to say the least), one of them even says "and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out"
More info here on other "mistaken" deaths.
Last edited by Dreadful Scathe; 5th-May-2011 at 10:53 PM.
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I didn't say any of your posts were invalid, Gav.
At first, you seemed to me to be saying 'It's his own fault, if he had gone home when he should have he'd still be alive'. I responded on that basis. Politely, by the way, whatever other posts there may have been.
Then you complained that you were misunderstood so I asked and you cleared up what you were saying.
What you were saying appeared to me to be trivial and not worth saying - trite, in fact - but they were your point of view and you posted, and I criticised, and that's what the forum is about.
isnt the "funniest joke in the world" as uttered by Spike Milligan ?
anyway - the case is still ongoing and they've come out witha beauty to rival even the composite pictures (look can't someone just say "yes, they do look completely different...then i'll be happy)...this latest is...
He has used cocaine. It was only detectable in his urine so all they can say is "he had it in the past" but despite it not effecting him on the morning of the incident the expert witness is questioned on what cocaine does to you, which included "may become aggressive" . So an irrelevance is included by association. Then of course the fact that there is NO evidence he was aggressive is not mentioned at this point, its left to us to make that massive leap to "therefore he must have been aggressive". I suppose he did press his head hard against the innocent policemans gun and attack 7 bullets with his brain, but that seems like a stretch
I think you're a tad unfair there, DS.
The evidence about cocaine is being used - although possibly spuriously - to bolster the claim that he 'moved his hands in an unusual manner' and that he was behaving furtively (due to the well-known paranoia that as any fule kno affects all-without-exception persons who have taken cocaine, no matter how often, when, or how much).
At least, that what I heard on PM last night.
I ignored the "furtive" part of it as being TOO silly. The aggressive aspect I assumed would be more convincing "evidence" that they needed to shoot him. the "He looked at me funny" defense. But I find it hard to give any credence to any argument that uses "behaving furtively" and "moving his hands in a not normal manner" as an excuse to shoot someone. A double espresso or a late night and the morning shakes would, I imagine, be at least as bad at making you appear "not normal". Imagine if he had parkinsons ? The addition of stupid "evidence" on top of previous stupid "evidence" makes it eventually look like proper evidence - well to daft people anyway
This is not an argument, but...
Their argument goes as follows.
First, we killed him because we thought he was Mr Islam Raghead, the noted suicide bomber. (Er --- so far unsuccessful.)
Second, that was a reasonable belief.
Third, we thought he represented a real and present danger to the public, and
fourth, that too was a reasonable belief.
The cocaine is introduced to say: we (the shooters) were told (by the obbo blokes) that he was behaving in a twitchy manner, which - seeing he was just a bloke on his way to work and had no idea there were any police anywhere around - might be difficult for you to believe. However, the cocaine might have made him twitchy, which gives a bit more credence to what the obbo guys said.
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