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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    The only problem I could see is that you'd be selecting an "elite" group, which might cause some resentment amongst the plebs.
    you silver tongued devil

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    ........ cause some resentment amongst the plebs.
    Whats a plebs? Cant find it in the dictionary

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    you silver tongued devil
    Damn, you know I meant to put "plebs" in quotes? Oh well, quantity not quality.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Connie View Post
    Whats a plebs? Cant find it in the dictionary
    What am I. your English teacher?

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    If you want

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    I think DavidF's notion re: discounts for attending classes is good - combining informal taxi dancers with loyalty bonus schemes. I used to get in free to most salsa classes in my local area on that basis, back when I was dancing salsa regularly - basically, it's the "guest list" concept.
    I see little evidence that the offer of discounts affects dancer's behavior. People are pleased to accept the discount, but I don't think their actions were motivated by the offer of one.

    On the subject of bringing new men, it's a double edged sword for the ladies. They get new men to dance with and sit out more. But the quality of that dancing drops as they have to dance with more beginners.

    I think the only answer is for me to ignore the tuts, raised eyebrows, etc. Or I could use the Tazer to cull the ladies I don't like dancing with. That'd even up the M/F ratio and produce a nice collection of shoes and handbags

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    I think most of us use the term "pleb" from our school days. It was used to refer to any boy from years below you, especially the 3rd form as that is the first year of Public School. We have all been plebs in our time: some of us still are

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Connie View Post
    If you want
    No fear, I'd be too worried about you smacking my bum

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I see little evidence that the offer of discounts affects dancer's behavior. People are pleased to accept the discount, but I don't think their actions were motivated by the offer of one.
    I can only really speak for my behaviour, but I'm definitely influenced by freebies. For example, I'm considering going to Jive Nation because of their October free offer thingy, assuming I can find free time.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    No fear, I'd be too worried about you smacking my bum
    All this talk of Public School and now spanking. All we need to do now is mention apple-pied beds for the complete nostalgia experience.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    I can only really speak for my behaviour, but I'm definitely influenced by freebies. For example, I'm considering going to Jive Nation because of their October free offer thingy, assuming I can find free time.
    Ahh, FREE is another thing altogether. I think that works really well at attracting dancers. However, it's not very good business and can only ever be a short term promotion to prime-the-pump, so to speak.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    Ahh, FREE is another thing altogether. I think that works really well at attracting dancers. However, it's not very good business and can only ever be a short term promotion to prime-the-pump, so to speak.
    Don't Ceroc / MJ organisers have guest lists already though? Certainly, there are a few people who can't seem to avoid mentioning how they get into everything free...

    So this'd just be an extension of the concept - basically, pick a dozen regular men, fnar fnar, then give them free passes for a few months and see what happens.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    There must be plenty of things dance venue organisers can do/think of to keep numerous women entertained whilst they are waiting for a dance...?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I'm not on here... i'm doing the ironing
    Inspired by these quotes, I have come up with a foolproof idea.

    Say you have 20 spare ladies on average. Set up 10 ironing boards at one side of the room. The first 10 new men who turn up can bring their ironing, and the spare ladies do it whilst they are waiting.

    You get more men, and they will look smart if they come back next week. And the ladies that are still standing out have something to do. There is no downside that I can see...

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    That man is a genius. Fact

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidB View Post
    There is no downside that I can see...
    And you never will. Once Lily reads this she will poke out your eyes. Probably with the pointy bit of an iron - if she's feeling kind: from the inside using the ironing board if she's really upset

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidB View Post
    There is no downside that I can see...
    That's because you've just been blinded by an iron travelling at Mach 3.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    At many dance events there's a gender numerical imbalance and a gender quality imbalance and they are not always the same. I hear the phrase 'not enough good men' from people criticising an event than the phrase 'not enough men'. Not saying it's right or wrong - we all go dancing for our own reasons - but there's no short term fix for it.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    Another thought experiment: instead of charging men £7 if the come to the lesson and £5 for the freestyle, turn it around and charge them £5 if they're in time for the lesson and £7 for freestyle.
    Oh, I like that, seems like a good promotion though maybe a few of them would just sit around and socialize rather than do the class. Clubs tend to do a "free before midnight" thing to try and promote people to arrive earlier (but that's as much about making that back with increased drinks sales).

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    :shrug: It's a similar sort of situation to the one that men have to put up with a nightclubs, you don't hear much whingeing about that.
    That's because the bouncers will break their noses if they do .

    Maybe a little different in London (though I'm not sure how much) but I guess if we were turned down for entry into a night club we could head 30 meters up the road to the next one. Whereas if we get turned down on the door at an MJ night then it's not like we can go to the one up the road.

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    So this'd just be an extension of the concept - basically, pick a dozen regular men, fnar fnar, then give them free passes for a few months and see what happens.
    I've done something like this. I haven't picked regular men as they were coming anyway. I've given free passes to good dancers who don't usually come as a way of encouraging them to come. They brought good women with them so they didn't have to dance with beginners and it made no difference to the gender balance. Besides, only a few of the good men actually took up the offer

    Nowadays we give free passes to other organisers, demonstrators and other crew. On an ad-hoc basis I give free passes to ladies who we press-gang into leading during the beginners lesson if there's loads of ladies over.

    One suggestion I had made to me was that we put leaflets in Men's Barbers. I think I'll give it a go - everybody needs haircuts. Especially CJ where it's long overdue

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    Re: Gender Balancing Rant!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I've done something like this. I haven't picked regular men as they were coming anyway.
    I assume the men you should pick are the ones who come to the freestyle but not the classes, the point being to get more experienced leads doing the classes...

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