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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel View Post
    What's Soul music? Well, either you know or you don't know, same with Blues dancing.
    Oh well, I guess I'll just shoot myself then. Or maybe I should stick with those mechanical and robotic dances like Tango, because clearly they have no soul or emotion involved in them...

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel View Post
    Now d'you get it? Of course not, you never will.
    My advice: When it comes to dance or music, start using your heart instead of your head.
    Gee, thanks for that, it's nice to see the art of clumsy patronisation is not lost.

    I guess we should all look down on those amateurs like Franck and Amir now, for even attempting to describe in mere words the wonderful and heartfelt experience of dancing, and for demeaning this transcendental experience, by attempting to put some actual words and technique into it. Scum, all of them.

    And as for evil people like David Franklin, who dare to put some science into it - well, death's clearly too good for Them.

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    You There is no single consensus definition of either Blues, Modern Jive, or MJ-based Blues. However, there are some clear and useful definitions of all three.


    This is true, although I think its pretty clear, from Rocky's explaination, what they're looking for, for this particular Blues competition.

    People will pobably still argue till the cows come home that, 'what they're looking for' isn't actually Blues
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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by spindr View Post
    Perhaps Gus was trying to remember the partial quote:

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    Ta ... couldn't find it myself. Sorry I caused such offence (and incurred the neg rep) Didn't mean to be so hurtfull ... by commenting back what I thought had been the essence of what had been said. Stokie ... you need to do more Blues to chill lad.

    Regardsless of what was actualy sent ... there are enough dancers, and people teaching Blues, who do think of Blues as just slow Ceroc. The style I've seen taught by N&N and Simon Selmon (the originals ?) couold be seen as different fomr that of Val and Rocky (who now are more to the fore of Blues) .... so you can understand an outsider being confused about what Blues is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    This is true, although I think its pretty clear, from Rocky's explaination, what they're looking for, for this particular Blues competition.
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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    Yes, I would agree with that, it looks to me like Nigel (and maybe others at the time) discovered the slower, more connected version of Lindy as was danced by top US teachers visiting the UK for the then equivalents of our week-enders and loved the feel / look of it compared to what Ceroc was at the time. In the same way that MJ might have been inspired by French R&R...
    Hmmmm ... not sure that that is the full story. Although I'm sure that N&N found elements in the original Swing dancing that they had researched, my early memories is a lot of moves coming fomr Nina's contemporary dance experinece and Nigel communicating how to interpret the music coming fomr his profesional musician background.

    Wheras many who have followed have merely taken what N&N introduced, N&N were truly innovative, in a way that I've not seen demonstrated by any MJ instructor since (with the exception of Amir).

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    'Blues' dancing is purely an invention of Nigel (of Nina and Nigel) in order that he can grind away with the woman of his choice (or should that be'women') legitimately..
    Considering that the originator of this dance continuously runs down the Ceroc organisation in public makes it somewhat ironic that Ceroc are running a Blues Comp...
    In answer to the ppoint that Blues is neither WCS nor Jive I can echo this - when I entered the Blues Open Champs on the IOWight a few years ago (made the final doing aerials..) a significant other whispered to me before we went on "dont forget Blues is not slow jive".
    In answer to the question 'What is Blues?' I would answer - ther e is a Blues basic pattern (though nobody ever did it but me in the Blues comps I ever entered!). God knows how many Blues classes I have done..
    The judges will include Dave and Val for sure (their idea?) who won on the IOW. I watched them and was the first to go over and say "you've won!". I watched the judges and they had eyes for one couple only..
    Dave and Val like to see fast and slow movement and incorporate ots of drops iin their own dancing..

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    The style I've seen taught by N&N and Simon Selmon (the originals ?) could be seen as different from that of Val and Rocky (who now are more to the fore of Blues)
    What do you see the differences between the two styles? I've not seen the originals teach, but I have seen a few others and have noticed some seem to be more "showey" than connection based.

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    'Blues' dancing is purely an invention of Nigel (of Nina and Nigel) in order that he can grind away with the woman of his choice (or should that be'women') legitimately..
    Erm - if you read the previous posts in this thread, you'll find that it dates back just a teensy bit further than Nigel, and was certainly not 'invented' by him.

    Whether or not the reasons you state have anything to do with his introduction of blues dance to the MJ world, I decline to enter into a debate over - but there were certainly plenty of other better reasons behind his wanting to do so.

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget View Post
    What do you see the differences between the two styles? I've not seen the originals teach, but I have seen a few others and have noticed some seem to be more "showey" than connection based.
    From my vast experience of 4 blues classes, and seeing a few video clips of "blues" lessons, I have come to the conclusion that "blues" is an adjective, not a noun. What we do is "blues _______", and the gap can be filled with a great number of dance styles.

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    'Blues' dancing is purely an invention of Nigel (of Nina and Nigel) in order that he can grind away with the woman of his choice (or should that be'women') legitimately..
    Considering that the originator of this dance continuously runs down the Ceroc organisation in public makes it somewhat ironic that Ceroc are running a Blues Comp...
    This is wrong factually as well as gramatically.

    Nigel & Nina didn't invent blues dancing although he does like close dancing. I've never heard Nigel run down Ceroc and he and Nina are headline teachers at Ceroc weekenders.

    Finally, if he were to run down Ceroc on a regular basis it would be "continually". As in the following phrase - a bell rings continuously but a clock chimes continually.

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
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    You didn't half take your time to consider your response Andy .... 2 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by under par View Post
    You didn't half take your time to consider your response Andy .... 2 years
    I don't like to rush things

    p.s. You're up late. As opposed to me. I was up late and now I'm up early

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I don't like to rush things

    p.s. You're up late. As opposed to me. I was up late and now I'm up early
    I am still up late but hope to be going home soon

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    Difficult one this. Me and the Batgirl entered this competition, we got thro the first couple of rounds but knew we were outclassed by the likes of, Stokie and Twirlybird and Spike Steve and the Tramp.

    Defining Blues is very difficult I look on it as pornography....Ie difficult to catagorise, but you know it when you see it.

    My plan is to just enter a few more competitions and try to pick up the feel of Blues dancing as you go along. We are very lucky that the losers no longer get whipped for wasting the judges time.

    We received some great feedback on our performance thus we have a better idea what is wanted.

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    I was in the audience in the Isle Of Wight when Rocky and Val won the 'other' Blues champs -Nigel was the DJ and Nina one of the judges..so we can scotch any idea that we are dealing with two different notions of 'Blues' (N&N v. R&A).
    I made the final the previous year doing aerials (anything went) and they were well received..
    One tip..its not slow ceroc (no way)..cut out the loopyoverhead stuff (pretzels and the like) - they look awful done slowly.
    No, WCS dancers cant win cos they dont do drops do they!
    Walks are good, e.g.,manhattans, and i suggest you perfect a slomo ballroom drop;also
    there's the 'sweep'..etc etc..
    Do you know the Blues basic? No! Get a beach Boogie video then!

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    I see something I wrote ages ago has cropped up (the Nigel stuff about originating Blues)...
    That view was shared by a leading south coast teacher who i shall not name.
    Further, I am a collector of blues musicfrom the year dot and I have never ever seen a reference to a blues dance in anyof the sleeve notes. (I havnt read earlier threads so I may yet live to eat these words..!)
    Lastly, Nigel has been slagging off Ceroc for years at Beach Boogie whilst teaching (and elsewhere) and If Andy Macgregor wants to discuss this point and any other (including use of the English Language) with me face to face I will be happy to oblige him..
    And his partner is soo lovely..

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by dave the scaffolder View Post
    Defining Blues is very difficult I look on it as pornography....Ie difficult to catagorise, but you know it when you see it.
    Pornography is difficult to catagorise ? is it really ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    One tip..its not slow ceroc (no way)..
    I remember a couple in a lion costume and a Mr.Blobby costume took part in the Beach Boogie blues competition to make fun of the "slow cerocers"

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    Lastly, Nigel has been slagging off Ceroc for years at Beach Boogie whilst teaching (and elsewhere)
    Not that I have ever heard, but I've only been to about 20 or so Nigel classes, so maybe i got him in a more positive mood...er...over a period of about 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    I see something I wrote ages ago has cropped up (the Nigel stuff about originating Blues)...
    Well - yes - it crops up constantly, and thirty seconds with Google is enough to show that Nigel did not originate blues dance. Example here.

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    That view was shared by a leading south coast teacher who i shall not name.
    Maybe you should put him straight on the matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    Further, I am a collector of blues music from the year dot and I have never ever seen a reference to a blues dance in anyof the sleeve notes.
    I'm a collector of swing music from the year dot, and there's rarely a reference to any of the (many) swing dances on the sleeve notes. I'm not sure what this proves, particularly as blues dance and blues music are not inherently connected (unlike, say, swing and Lindy)

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    (I havnt read earlier threads so I may yet live to eat these words..!)
    Well - I'll paraphrase what's been said on earlier threads. Nigel first encountered Blues dance at Herrang. He decided to bring it to the MJ world in the UK. If you doubt this, you could always ask him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    Lastly, Nigel has been [blahblah] for years at Beach Boogie whilst teaching (and elsewhere)
    Well - this may, or may not be the case, but I'd suggest that this part of the discussion is a) irrelevant, and b) treading dangerously close to the 'naming and shaming' rule, especially as Nigel is not (to my knowledge) on this forum, and able to confirm/deny/ignore it).

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    If Andy Macgregor wants to discuss this point and any other (including use of the English Language) with me face to face I will be happy to oblige him..
    Sounds fun... we should make this a proper event, and sell tickets. Not to mention starting a sweepstake on the outcome... I sense profits to be made
    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    And his partner is soo lovely..
    Andy's partner? Or do you mean Nina?

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    Re: Blues Competition - HOW??

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey View Post
    No, WCS dancers cant win cos they dont do drops do they!
    Actually, many of the top ones seem to be doing more and more of these now and, IMO, they tend to look pretty ropey compared to the polish of the rest of their dance. But no, they still probably wouldn't win a blues comp in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    Well - yes - it crops up constantly, and thirty seconds with Google is enough to show that Nigel did not originate blues dance. Example here...
    Nigel & Nina did not originate Blues dancing, they orginated their style of blues dance.

    The blues derived from the original foxtrot is what is described here.

    The original blues dance is an emphemeral folk dance in that it was what folk did to jazz band blues, which is not well documented, and probably does not need to be.



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