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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    I wish that teachers would use the method of spacing the spare dancers between the couples more when they’ve got huge numbers of women (or men) over, as it really speeds things up and you get more teaching time.
    It really only works, if there's loads of space to do it. I've seen it become a bit of a disaster, where the women who are spaced in between the dancers are more of a problem, as they don't give the dancing couples any space to dance
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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    Am going to keep adding things as I think of them...

    Always demo the routine - beginners and intermediate.
    This is a double edged sword in my opinion, i`ve been told that demoing the routine can perhaps put people off doing the intermediate class however my take on it is this, i`ll be telling everyone including the beginners that ok stay in the room for the intermediate demo simply because i remebered watching my first ceroc teacher demo the routine and i thought 'wow thats amazing, i wanna dance like that' my thinking is to challenge people rather than water down the classes but of course not everyone is of the same standard, one of my fav teachers around is Amir Giles, what i love about his teachings is his ability to layer his teaches so everyone whatever standard will gain something from the teach, of course you can`t please everyone and i won`t even bother trying to, however i will definately demo all my routines and try to make the classes fun but challenging.....
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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggerbabe View Post
    It really only works, if there's loads of space to do it. I've seen it become a bit of a disaster, where the women who are spaced in between the dancers are more of a problem, as they don't give the dancing couples any space to dance

    Totally agree, i taught on friday at the casbah and we had 16 ladies over, but we didn`t have the space for placing as mentioned or even have smaller cues at each row, i had no real choice but to move 8 on at a go and even that wasn`t straight forward for some, i do wonder if people actually switch off at this stage, obviously being a new recruit, i always go over directions 3 times before saying how many to move on and even then on 1 occasion it was like piccadilly circus at rush hour! i do think though as a general point as we always seem to have more women than men some women should maybe try to lead more......

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Moving on half the queue of women is a good alternative. It just seems to take far too long when you've got more than 10.

    I didn't realise that the method I mentioned could cause problems - I've only seen it work well, but not used often (now I understand why!)

    But it's not always women you have too many of - saw 15 men over at Fulham one week (I don't go very often either), which was quite weird, as we'd had the exact opposite problem at Clapham earlier in the week

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    Moving on half the queue of women is a good alternative. It just seems to take far too long when you've got more than 10.

    I didn't realise that the method I mentioned could cause problems - I've only seen it work well, but not used often (now I understand why!)

    But it's not always women you have too many of - saw 15 men over at Fulham one week (I don't go very often either), which was quite weird, as we'd had the exact opposite problem at Clapham earlier in the week
    Having more men over presents more problems than having more women to be honest, as a teacher i need to make sure all the men get the chance to led the moves at least twice per move, if a woman only has one go at walking through the move then it`s less of an issue IMHO, the obvious other thing to consider is time, people do write and complain and rightly so if the lessons take over freestyle time, so we have constraints, half an hour for a intermediate lesson isn`t very long, i`d rather do 3 intermedaite moves in more detail with styling points than 4 moves in a slightly rushed fashion without style tips....all good points to consider though.....

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    Having more men over presents more problems than having more women to be honest,
    So it's not just the chaos that reigns when you ask them to move on and they get all confused then?!

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    So it's not just the chaos that reigns when you ask them to move on and they get all confused then?!
    Thats one of a number of issues.....and there are many i can assure you.....

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    Totally agree, i taught on friday at the casbah and we had 16 ladies over, but we didn`t have the space for placing as mentioned or even have smaller cues at each row,.......
    Were they for the small snooker tables??

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    the obvious other thing to consider is time, people do write and complain and rightly so if the lessons take over freestyle time, so we have constraints, half an hour for a intermediate lesson isn`t very long, i`d rather do 3 intermedaite moves in more detail with styling points than 4 moves in a slightly rushed fashion without style tips....all good points to consider though.....

    I would much rather we were taught three moves well, with good styling points thrown in, than being rushed through four moves leaving some of the less experienced leaders not quite getting it. When this happens the new leaders get very discouraged and frustrated and lose what little confidence they have. Needless to say, the followers have a pretty bad time of it too.

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Congratulations

    I started a thread a while back: Mark of a good teacher there is some usefull stuff in there I think. (well, I would, wouldn't I )

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnybunny View Post

    I would much rather we were taught three moves well, with good styling points thrown in, .
    Personally I'd rather be taught one move well. Actually I'd go further and say I'd rather be taught one aspect of one step well.

    But I don't think the number of moves taught in a Ceroc class is that much under the teacher's control - as far as I know it's mandated by Ceroc HQ that you've got to teach at least 3 moves, isn't it?

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Just out of curiousity though, how long is a move? Some teachers intermediate routines seem to be very very long and quite complex, others quite short. Makes a big difference.

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    Just out of curiousity though, how long is a move? Some teachers intermediate routines seem to be very very long and quite complex, others quite short. Makes a big difference.
    most good teachers will aim their intermediate class at the general level of the class with normally a bit for new intermediates and a bit for more advanced intermediates. So depending on the general level of the class the routine will be longer/shorter with more/less complicated moves.

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    But I don't think the number of moves taught in a Ceroc class is that much under the teacher's control - as far as I know it's mandated by Ceroc HQ that you've got to teach at least 3 moves, isn't it?
    I taught just one move at Bow a few weeks back 'the Columbian' practising the footwork loads and then how to lead it. Put the music on and gave everyone instructions to do simple freestyle, nothing flash, but inlcude plenty of first moves. When they were ready they had to lead the columbian (without a verbal signal) and taking into account floorspace around them. I was moving people round, not fixed couples,

    Not everyone had grasped the footwork. So we went over that again. Followed by more freestyle practice, before trying out a couple of different finishes. From stage it was starting to look quite good. My own lead of the columbian has improved as a result.

    After the class a few people came up and thanked me. The following week a few people complained to Dan that the class was boring.

    Read from that what you like

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Saxby View Post
    I taught just one move at Bow a few weeks back 'the Columbian'
    Yay! You should have said, I'd have gone to Bow to see that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Saxby View Post
    After the class a few people came up and thanked me. The following week a few people complained to Dan that the class was boring.

    Read from that what you like
    Some people like moves, some people like technique?

    Don't get me wrong - Ceroc is not "wrong" to teach moves, it's a model which clearly works, and move-heavy classes are what beginners like. So it's reasonable - in a business sense - to have classes with lots of moves.

    But I'd just like to see that restriction and focus changed for "advanced" classes - the advanced classes Ceroc has tried usually seem to be "more and more complex moves", which is kind of missing the point.

    But for giving it a go with the Columbian.

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Saxby View Post
    After the class a few people came up and thanked me. The following week a few people complained to Dan that the class was boring.

    Read from that what you like
    Some people like change, others don't.

    I remember our regular Cambridge teacher guesting at Peterborough couple of years ago. Taught the same routine he'd taught at Cambridge the previous week (which went OK there) and the dropout rate was much higher than usual for Pboro which I can only put down to the unfamiliarity of the teacher.

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    But for giving it a go with the Columbian.
    It would be nice to do this once a month maybe, focus on a move that needs a lot more technique taught than a normal class can give.
    The changes aren't so severe then if it's only a monthly occurrence.

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    I am wondering if Conie managed to go to Wimbledon this week and has her opinion been changed - Tim is an excellent and passionate teacher and always stays till the end to dance with everyone there so if he has not inspired new faith into Conie then I must admit that all hope is lost in wining this lost dancer back.

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    Re: What do you want from your Ceroc teacher??

    Quote Originally Posted by w_estermann View Post
    I am wondering if Conie managed to go to Wimbledon this week and has her opinion been changed - Tim is an excellent and passionate teacher and always stays till the end to dance with everyone there so if he has not inspired new faith into Conie then I must admit that all hope is lost in wining this lost dancer back.
    Here's her review* and the replies to it.

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