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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raul View Post
    the subconscious awareness of what is expected whilst the judging is taking place, still exists.
    What utter crap

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidB View Post
    What utter crap
    Welcome back, David, as direct as ever

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    but then again it included some people who are netural Like Danny & Frankie and Graham and Becki
    Well, this is your answer. Of course Ceroc™ aren't biased towards "Ceroc dancers" (whatever that is these days). Danni & Becki both started out in the same LeRoc class (as did Jennie Harrison, Elaine B and Matt K, as it happens), and it hasn't done any of them any harm. Seems to me that the judging is as impartial as it can be.

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidB View Post
    What utter crap


    Welcome back David. I hope you are going to post more often.

    I can claim to be the person who made you post again.

    So ..... this has touched a raw nerve .. has it?

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    But given the fact many people think that Amir should have won the showcase this year, do Ceroc really keep their winners of the champs people that are 'in house' or is it all done fair and square?
    The real issue is about the judges isn`t it?? but to be honest whoever you get to judge are going to have an affiliation to one company or another, these things will always be controversial to some degree, i certainly don`t think there is any bias toward in house cerocers, if you looked at the ceroc champs a while back only very winners caused any controversy, the only iffy result was the team that won Double trouble, that was definately a rigged, Cash in an brown envelope scenario for sure
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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    More contentious in my mind was the issue about multiple spinning in Ceroc X and the confusion that the official guidance gave.
    That was confusing for some, on that point i do think it should be just the beginners moves and just them, allowing multiple spins usually means 90% of entrants are excluded from doing them simply because of the difficuly of doing them, it is a fun category and should be kept out of the way of controversy at all costs IMHO....
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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    As I mainly dance at Ceroc venues, I'm hoping it will increase my chances of doing well at the Scottish Ceroc Champs in a few weeks time!


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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raul View Post


    Welcome back David. I hope you are going to post more often.

    I can claim to be the person who made you post again.

    So ..... this has touched a raw nerve .. has it?
    Or maybe he just thinks you're talking utter crap. Again.

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidB View Post
    What utter crap
    Couldn't have given a better response myself

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    For no reason other than Interest, has DavidB ever judged for Ceroc? I know he has done others.

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    er..what does "subconscious awareness" mean ? is that like a spider-sense a la Peter Parker?

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    er..what does "subconscious awareness" mean ? is that like a spider-sense a la Peter Parker?
    Damn you man



    *now singing spider-judge, spider-judge does whatever a spider judge does, can he give points to you, no he can't your not from ceroc. Lookout !!!! here comes the spider-judge *

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    Damn you man



    *now singing spider-judge, spider-judge does whatever a spider judge does, can he give points to you, no he can't your not from ceroc. Lookout !!!! here comes the spider-judge *
    hmm catchy - but i've got to admit theres only a few judges i want to see in tight lyrca

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    For no reason other than Interest, has DavidB ever judged for Ceroc? I know he has done others.

    Yes he has judged for the last 3/4 years along with Lily

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Well, this is your answer. Of course Ceroc™ aren't biased towards "Ceroc dancers" (whatever that is these days). Danni & Becki both started out in the same LeRoc class (as did Jennie Harrison, Elaine B and Matt K, as it happens), and it hasn't done any of them any harm. Seems to me that the judging is as impartial as it can be.
    Yes I agree, and I have judged for several years. There is no bias, no instructions beyond looking for good technique, style, musicality and presentation. Most of the judges are Ceroc teachers because Ceroc value their training and teachers higher than most 'independents'. When outside judges are brought in, they are experts in their field (like David & and Lily or Carmen Vincelj).

    As for the reason why there is that perception, my guess is that many 'non Ceroc' independents are not as good as they thought they were and don't place, but rather than trying to improve, they shout "fix!" and say that Ceroc are biased against them...

    As for Andy McGregor, I'm sure he's done pretty well at the Ceroc Champs when he used to compete, despite not being a 'Ceroc person'. His agenda however is to tar Ceroc with a poor reputation whenever possible with small digs that he hopes will add up to a general poor image for Ceroc...
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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    Yes I agree, and I have judged for several years. There is no bias, no instructions beyond looking for good technique, style, musicality and presentation. Most of the judges are Ceroc teachers because Ceroc value their training and teachers higher than most 'independents'. When outside judges are brought in, they are experts in their field (like David & and Lily or Carmen Vincelj).

    As for the reason why there is that perception, my guess is that many 'non Ceroc' independents are not as good as they thought they were and don't place, but rather than trying to improve, they shout "fix!" and say that Ceroc are biased against them...

    As for Andy McGregor, I'm sure he's done pretty well at the Ceroc Champs when he used to compete, despite not being a 'Ceroc person'. His agenda however is to tar Ceroc with a poor reputation whenever possible with small digs that he hopes will add up to a general poor image for Ceroc...
    AFAIK Andy has never done the ceroc champs.

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Or maybe he just thinks you're talking utter crap. Again.
    May be.

    Or may be that as a judge he is reacting to my comments about impartiality.
    DavidB does not waste time on irrelevances and there has been plenty of other utter crap from me and many others. Why now?

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    AFAIK Andy has never done the ceroc champs.
    I guess that was before your time
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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    I guess that was before your time
    Only been going a few years though Havn't they?

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    Re: Do only Ceroc Dancers win Ceroc champs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raul View Post
    Or may be that as a judge he is reacting to my comments about impartiality.
    DavidB does not waste time on irrelevances and there has been plenty of other utter crap from me and many others. Why now?
    Well, usually DavidB only posts when he knows in depth what he is talking about. He wouldn't correct most of the other 'crap' on the forum if it wasn't in his area of expertise...
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