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    Re: Amy Winehouse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebeard View Post
    Illness, to me, suggests some outside force adversely affecting a previously healthy state of being.
    You haven't thought this through. Type 1 diabetes wouldn't fall within your definition, yet it's quite clearly an illness.

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    Re: Amy Winehouse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Who decides though what mentally ill is?

    Does it vary from country to country?
    As Andy says, qualified professionals. But I think you'll find that there isn't always consensus among them.

    And yes, it varies from country to country.

    My facts are rather out of date, but when I did my degree (psychology) we looked at the fact that the US system (known as DSM IV - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) resulted in more Americans being diagnosed with schizophrenia than they were in Britain, as the criteria for diagnosis were much wider.

    Definitions of acceptable behaviour and what constitutes mental illness also vary historically. Remember that less than 100 years ago you could, as a woman, be diagnosed as mentally ill (and locked up) for liking sex. People whom we would now consider to be mentally ill have in the past have been regarded as wise and even visionery (e.g. Hildegard of Bingen) - and note the number of revisions of the DSM (now writing number five!) and the fact that homosexuality was at one time listed as a mental illness!

    The definition of what is mentally ill is a very moveable feast...

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    sometimes it is, but as you say yourself...



    so I don't think it's relevant to say drinkers are far worse than drug addicts
    I wonder, would you know one if you were in ones company?

    You would be able to tell if some one had had a bottle of wine, could you tell if a person had had a couple of lines of coke.

    My best freind (who I no longer see) is addicted to coke, and I have lost many freinds to drugs. there not as easy to spot as a dunk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebeard View Post
    straightforward as black and white shade into many tones of grey.
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    that will be 'Back to Black' then

    sorry i'll get my coat

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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    I wonder, would you know one if you were in ones company?
    Err...yes I would. It's not rocket science and in Amy's case, it's fairly evident as she always has shlt loads of gear hanging out of her nozzle.

    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    You would be able to tell if some one had had a bottle of wine, could you tell if a person had had a couple of lines of coke.
    But you are talking about Amy Winehouse being a great dancing companion...! She is a druggie AND a plss head. I don't quite know what your point is. Surely you wouldn't want a drunken drug addict at a dance event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Err...yes I would. It's not rocket science and in Amy's case, it's fairly evident as she always has shlt loads of gear hanging out of her nozzle.



    But you are talking about Amy Winehouse being a great dancing companion...! She is a druggie AND a plss head. I don't quite know what your point is. Surely you wouldn't want a drunken drug addict at a dance event.
    quite right too!

    amy winehouse needs to grow up and not let down her fans.

    she is in her twenties not in her teens.

    those fans depend on her and she lets them down...

    3 words for that woman

    WASTE OF SPACE

    they tryna make her go 2 rehab
    but she says no no no
    yes she done drugs and yes she is sad
    but she wont go go go

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    I can't remember all of them, but a lot of successful people die before 30 years of age (especially around age 28/29) due to drugs, drink, suicide, accidents.

    Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, James Dean, Buddy Holly, Kurt Cobain, Otis Redding, Marilyn Monroe. Amy and Britney are perfect candidates.

    As Andy says you are surrounded by phoney people and can start to believe your own press.

    As for Albert Einstein, I'm not sure Barry, where I heard that.

    But there's an old cliche "There's a fine line between genius and insanity"

    Would anyone regard Britney Spears as a genius in the music world?

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    a lot of successful people die before 30 years of age (especially around age 28/29) due to drugs, drink, suicide, accidents...Marilyn Monroe.
    I'm being picky, but Marilyn was 36 when she died.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Would anyone regard Britney Spears as a genius in the music world?
    Anyone who can make millions of pounds out of having no talent is a bleedin' genius in my book.

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    Re: Amy Winehouse.

    Personallyn i think the one thing both Britney and Amy have in common, is a very fast rise in availability of money and accesability of drugs and Alchohol added to that finind a lot of "friends" who as soon as they saw both girls had money, wormed their way into the lives of both of them and free loaded their own party lifestyle off them. Thus dragging them down into the pityfull state they are now. As for the media coverage of both, we will only ever read what the media will print to make juicey newspaper and magasine sales, not neccesarily the whole truth. I did a short media studies course a few years ago, and learnt a great geal about the way stories and news is editied, i'm no expert but i certainly view the media with a very open mind whoever is writing at the time.

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Would anyone regard Britney Spears as a genius in the music world?
    Hell no.

    Amy Winehouse has some talent for creating and singing. Britney Spears had some talent for performing and entertaining. Neither of them come close to genius.

    I'm not sure there are any geniuses in the music world at the moment. Who'll be remembered in a century's time?

    To quote Wikipedia:
    A genius is a person of great intelligence, who shows an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work
    - OK, that definition may be subject to debate, but it seems reasonable to me. And I wouldn't class either Amy or Britney as people of great intelligence.

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    I'm being picky, but Marilyn was 36 when she died.
    She did well to last so long.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post

    - OK, that definition may be subject to debate, but it seems reasonable to me. And I wouldn't class either Amy or Britney as people of great intelligence.
    Unlike Janis Joplin, would you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Anyone who can make millions of pounds out of having no talent is a bleedin' genius in my book.
    No talent is a bit harsh. Moderate talent I would go along with.

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    IMHO 'genius' isn't a word that properly applies to artistic endeavour.

    There are two meaningful uses of the word. The less useful is 'people with an IQ in excess of 150' (I think that's the cut off).

    The other is 'someone who makes an exceptional leap of scientific imagination', like Einstein (four times in 1905, and again several times after that) or Fred Hoyle (who intuited that quantum mechanics would explain carbon fusion in stars) or Darwin who realised that the natural explanation of species diversity on Galapagos was natural selection.

    There may have been one or two musical geniuses - the only one who springs to mind is Mozart, and that's not because of his music but because of the age at which he wrote it.

    Was Elvis a genius, mashing country and western with blues to make rock'n'roll? No, I don't think so. But he was inspired!

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    Re: Amy Winehouse.

    Sorry for the spelling errors, i wasnt drunk Honest!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Moderate talent I would go along with.
    Would you? I'm not even sure she can sing...she never sings live, always lip sync's and with modern equipment you can make someone who is tone deaf sound melodic these days.

    Still...there are hundreds of 'eye candy' types who are making millions on the back of dressing like a third rate whore and miming to a song.

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Still...there are hundreds of 'eye candy' types who are making millions on the back of dressing like a third rate whore.
    How can you tell? I mean, what's the difference between a second rate and a third rate whore?

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    How can you tell? I mean, what's the difference between a second rate and a third rate whore?
    about £5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    about £5
    No, that's the answer to 'What's a greek urn?'

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    Re: "Severe exhaustion"

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    How can you tell? I mean, what's the difference between a second rate and a third rate whore?
    about 10 seconds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    about 10 seconds?
    Wow. You're quick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Wow. You're quick...
    That's nothing, you should see me when ... oh, ahem, or maybe not

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