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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    you can do what you like in a quiet area, nobody else around. But not on a public floor no. You should not want to anyway.

    IMO aerials are as dangerous as Drops. BlueEyes got droped last week and yesterday, some bloke that she has never even seen before threw her in to a really awkward drop with her head just an inch or so above the ground.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    Even I have made a complaint about aerials being done before.

    Was at a crowded venue (think blues room at southport) and there were two couples throwing each other everywhere.

    I said something to the door person but after 10 mins nothing had been done. I grabbed one of the aerials women for a dance and explained to her how close her face came to the stilletto of the other woman doing arieals (less than an inch).

    I think she was shocked at how close it was and they didn't do them again,
    . . . . . splutter!

    a few words spring to mind: pot, kettle, black . . .

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northants Girly View Post
    . . . . . splutter!

    a few words spring to mind: pot, kettle, black . . .
    Have you ever seen me do an aerial?

    Who here has ever seen me do an aerial? Come on, Hands up.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    At the end of the day anybody who is stupid enough to do aerials on a social dance floor needs a smack in the mouth and it wont be long till somebody does that i think or somebody else will end up with a smack in the mouth or stilletto heel in their eye or just generally hurt. Its so rude, ignorant and dangerous totally unacceptable and should not be tolerated by anybody.
    OK you all know that I'm an aerial lover. You know that I am guilty of loving the thrill they give me. You know that I am guilty of doing them on a social dance floor.

    Lock me up and throw away the key.

    Without wanting to go round and round and all through this debate yet again. I am just going to say that I still hold the opinion that there is a difference between a social dance floor and a busy social dance floor.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northants Girly View Post
    . . . . . splutter!

    a few words spring to mind: pot, kettle, black . . .
    Well, to be fair, woodface has never proclaimed himself as an aerial lover, or as supporting aerials no matter what. So it's a misrepresentation to say he's a crazy aerial junkie.

    Christ, that's the second time today, I think I need to go lie down now...

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    ... why would you want to do risky aerials etc. whats the point. These are for competitions are workshops only surely.
    I like doing modest arials, my partners like doing modest arials, people like watching arials. They would not feature in competitions if people did not like doing them and like watching them.

    Not near innocent bystanders.

    Any vigorous activity involves dangers. One of our newcomers fell over and cracked her head trying a spin last night. Stilleto heels are dangerous at any level. Arials have been a vital part of the development of jive dances from the beginning. IMO it should be a jive dance floor, and any risks being taken should be risks to the dancers doing the moves only.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    OK you all know that I'm an aerial lover. You know that I am guilty of loving the thrill they give me. You know that I am guilty of doing them on a social dance floor.

    Lock me up and throw away the key.

    Without wanting to go round and round and all through this debate yet again. I am just going to say that I still hold the opinion that there is a difference between a social dance floor and a busy social dance floor.
    Twirly

    i have seen your aeirals with Stokie and to be honest, they are performed safely and absolutely without danger to anybody. You are as they say a smaller person and stokie is a great big hammer head so, chances are, most people would be away from you anyway and you appear safe. BUT and here is the big BUT.... social floor or busy floor or any freestyle floor should not have aerials done becuase the risk to other people and yourself far outweigh the thrill that you personally get.

    The only time aerials should be performed is in competitions or stage shows. Thats it. full stop.

    IMHO of course

    love to you both as well

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    OK you all know that I'm an aerial lover. You know that I am guilty of loving the thrill they give me. You know that I am guilty of doing them on a social dance floor.

    Lock me up and throw away the key.
    Well, OK then - is that a new game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    Without wanting to go round and round and all through this debate yet again. I am just going to say that I still hold the opinion that there is a difference between a social dance floor and a busy social dance floor.
    Yes, I think that's one of the key differences - judging when a floor is "safe".

    But from what the genuine aerials experts have said on this topic - the two David's mainly - it seems that the more experience you have, the more margin of safety you insist on. DavidB, for example, has gone on record as saying that he and Lily never do aerials on a social dance floor, full stop. To me, that's pretty much a definitive answer.

    And the result of the discussion the last time we went round this, seemed to be that you needed at least 5 metres of clear space around you before even thinking of doing an aerial.

    Which means that you'd fit maybe 6 couples safely doing aerials on a place like Hammersmith Town Hall. Which effectively means "empty venues only"

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    But the aerial specialists will in the main be doing bigger better aerials than us mere mortals.

    I still think 5 meters is a little excessive for some baby aerials like the first move lap sit etc.

    I agree with the ban in general but think extending it to side rooms etc is a little harsh.

    There are too many numpties out there. I have seen aerials injuries before now, but then I have seen a nose bleed caused by an arm jive !!!

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    Twirly

    I have seen your aerials
    Cool !! I'll Have to get Twirly to show me these when she's up in Aberdeen for the beach ballroom ! Obviously in the safety of my Own flat!!

    She never ceases to amaze me that one.. how she can do so much and even manage to be in two places at once.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    Cool !! I'll Have to get Twirly to show me these when she's up in Aberdeen for the beach ballroom ! Obviously in the safety of my Own flat!!

    She never ceases to amaze me that one.. how she can do so much and even manage to be in two places at once.
    sorry meant Twirly Bird....DOH...!!

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    Twirly
    You are as they say a smaller person


    That's the first time anyone has ever described me as that... Such a shame it's a case of mistaken identity...

    Don't worry Beo - no swinging from the chandeliers tonight

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    I attend various Ceroc Central venues on a pretty regular basis. At no time have I heard any mention of the ban by way of an announcement or reminder nor have a seen a single sign relating to the ban. If this ban is therefore now in effect Ceroc clearly need to make more of an effort to make people aware of it. Following all the earlier discussion about the ban on the forum some weeks ago I was expecting announcements, rerminders and signs at all venues and am frankly surprised that, in my area at least, nothing seems to have happened.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    That seems to say that it's any Ceroc venue, not just Ceroc Essex - and indeed, looking at the main ceroc.com site, it says the same.

    So that's fairly clear - definitely no aerials.
    Whereas it might be on the Ceroc.com site, it's not exactly in a well-publicised page.

    When was the last time anyone looked at the ceroc membership form online before David found this link?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ob. HHG quote
    "You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
    ~SNIP~
    "But look, you found the notice didn't you?"
    "Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."
    Anyway it wasn't in the membership rules I signed up to when I joined - how would an aerial-lover who signed up at the same time as me know that it had changed?

    I've not heard anything about this at my local venues, and I do see some aerials going on...
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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Leader View Post
    If this ban is therefore now in effect Ceroc clearly need to make more of an effort to make people aware of it.
    To my mind, that depends on local circumstances. If nobody is dancing social aerials, then why make an effort informing everyone of a ban that doesn't affect them?

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    To my mind, that depends on local circumstances. If nobody is dancing social aerials, then why make an effort informing everyone of a ban that doesn't affect them?
    I have seen aerials being done at these venues on a number of occasions in the last few weeks. In addition it is not be any means all the same people who turn up every week and by informing everyone people would be made aware of the new rule and thus be encouraged to take action if they see it being flouted.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    there is no credit to Ceroc currently as they are clearly doing nothing to monitor it, police it and enforce it.
    From recollection ... the last number of times I've seen airsteps done (badly), its tended to be crew Most recent occurance was during my exile out in East Mids at a Ceroc venue.
    Last edited by Gus; 13th-July-2007 at 10:40 PM.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    But from what the genuine aerials experts have said on this topic - the two David's mainly - it seems that the more experience you have, the more margin of safety you insist on. DavidB, for example, has gone on record as saying that he and Lily never do aerials on a social dance floor, full stop. To me, that's pretty much a definitive answer.
    Ahhhh ... if only that was the end of the debate ... alas, I fear not.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Oh dear, what we seem to have here with the Ceroc aerial rules is a grade A fiasco A set of "rules" that only some people seem to know about, nobody knows how to implement and some seemly don't want to know about and are just pretending that it will go away! That is what you get when you make a half baked knee jerk decision with no idea how you are going to communicate it, implement it or administer it.

    The rights and wrongs of the decision are now immaterial and it is pointless dragging that up again, those who made it will simply dismiss any dissent with a "we know best" line because they cannot be seen to back down now. But I do feel that Ceroc have a duty to sort out this mess and make it clear to your franchise personnel and your customers just what the situation is and what the procedures are for dealing with it. Ambiguous words buried deep in a web site simply aren't enough now that you've given the land sharks (lawyers) a stick to beat you with.

    And how long before we get the first whinge about "unfair competition" from the independents because they haven't followed with their own ban?

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    Even I have made a complaint about aerials being done before.

    Was at a crowded venue (think blues room at southport) and there were two couples throwing each other everywhere.

    I said something to the door person but after 10 mins nothing had been done. I grabbed one of the aerials women for a dance and explained to her how close her face came to the stilletto of the other woman doing arieals (less than an inch).
    I had some chap throwing me upside down in front of the bar in the blues room at Southport this June, but don't worry he has his own venue and specialises in style.

    I recently witnessed this at Hafah, weekender, the guy, put his lady into a cartwheel move, not sure if its classed as an arial, but it was ridiculous, she almost kicked someone in the head, I did report it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    which is my point exactly WF. Its down to us to sort out and it should not be. At the end of the day anybody who is stupid enough to do aerials on a social dance floor needs a smack in the mouth and it wont be long till somebody does that i think or somebody else will end up with a smack in the mouth or stilletto heel in their eye or just generally hurt. Its so rude, ignorant and dangerous totally unacceptable and should not be tolerated by anybody.
    The shame about this is, Stoke Bloke and Twirlie Bird are very responsible, and I have never seen them doing aerials, that could any way be classed as dangerous to other's, when we go the Roller World in Derby early and late when the venue has more room they can find a very quirt corner to have a go, totally without any issues.

    They are relitiverly new to MJ and particually enjoy Arials, its genuinely considerate people like them that will get penalised, for others stupidity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    OK you all know that I'm an aerial lover. You know that I am guilty of loving the thrill they give me. You know that I am guilty of doing them on a social dance floor.

    Lock me up and throw away the key.

    Without wanting to go round and round and all through this debate yet again. I am just going to say that I still hold the opinion that there is a difference between a social dance floor and a busy social dance floor.
    my piont exactly.

    Unfortunately like other things that get debated on this forum, genuinely caring and considerate people end up suffering because of others neglect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    Twirly

    i have seen your aeirals with Stokie and to be honest, they are performed safely and absolutely without danger to anybody.



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