OK you all know that I'm an aerial lover. You know that I am guilty of loving the thrill they give me. You know that I am guilty of doing them on a social dance floor.
Lock me up and throw away the key.
Without wanting to go round and round and all through this debate yet again. I am just going to say that I still hold the opinion that there is a difference between a social dance floor and a busy social dance floor.
I like doing modest arials, my partners like doing modest arials, people like watching arials. They would not feature in competitions if people did not like doing them and like watching them.
Not near innocent bystanders.
Any vigorous activity involves dangers. One of our newcomers fell over and cracked her head trying a spin last night. Stilleto heels are dangerous at any level. Arials have been a vital part of the development of jive dances from the beginning. IMO it should be a jive dance floor, and any risks being taken should be risks to the dancers doing the moves only.
Twirly
i have seen your aeirals with Stokie and to be honest, they are performed safely and absolutely without danger to anybody. You are as they say a smaller person and stokie is a great big hammer head so, chances are, most people would be away from you anyway and you appear safe. BUT and here is the big BUT.... social floor or busy floor or any freestyle floor should not have aerials done becuase the risk to other people and yourself far outweigh the thrill that you personally get.
The only time aerials should be performed is in competitions or stage shows. Thats it. full stop.
IMHO of course
love to you both as well
Well, OK then - is that a new game?
Yes, I think that's one of the key differences - judging when a floor is "safe".
But from what the genuine aerials experts have said on this topic - the two David's mainly - it seems that the more experience you have, the more margin of safety you insist on. DavidB, for example, has gone on record as saying that he and Lily never do aerials on a social dance floor, full stop. To me, that's pretty much a definitive answer.
And the result of the discussion the last time we went round this, seemed to be that you needed at least 5 metres of clear space around you before even thinking of doing an aerial.
Which means that you'd fit maybe 6 couples safely doing aerials on a place like Hammersmith Town Hall. Which effectively means "empty venues only"
But the aerial specialists will in the main be doing bigger better aerials than us mere mortals.
I still think 5 meters is a little excessive for some baby aerials like the first move lap sit etc.
I agree with the ban in general but think extending it to side rooms etc is a little harsh.
There are too many numpties out there. I have seen aerials injuries before now, but then I have seen a nose bleed caused by an arm jive !!!
I attend various Ceroc Central venues on a pretty regular basis. At no time have I heard any mention of the ban by way of an announcement or reminder nor have a seen a single sign relating to the ban. If this ban is therefore now in effect Ceroc clearly need to make more of an effort to make people aware of it. Following all the earlier discussion about the ban on the forum some weeks ago I was expecting announcements, rerminders and signs at all venues and am frankly surprised that, in my area at least, nothing seems to have happened.
Whereas it might be on the Ceroc.com site, it's not exactly in a well-publicised page.
When was the last time anyone looked at the ceroc membership form online before David found this link?
Anyway it wasn't in the membership rules I signed up to when I joined - how would an aerial-lover who signed up at the same time as me know that it had changed?Originally Posted by Ob. HHG quote
I've not heard anything about this at my local venues, and I do see some aerials going on...
Love dance, will travel
I have seen aerials being done at these venues on a number of occasions in the last few weeks. In addition it is not be any means all the same people who turn up every week and by informing everyone people would be made aware of the new rule and thus be encouraged to take action if they see it being flouted.
Oh dear, what we seem to have here with the Ceroc aerial rules is a grade A fiasco A set of "rules" that only some people seem to know about, nobody knows how to implement and some seemly don't want to know about and are just pretending that it will go away! That is what you get when you make a half baked knee jerk decision with no idea how you are going to communicate it, implement it or administer it.
The rights and wrongs of the decision are now immaterial and it is pointless dragging that up again, those who made it will simply dismiss any dissent with a "we know best" line because they cannot be seen to back down now. But I do feel that Ceroc have a duty to sort out this mess and make it clear to your franchise personnel and your customers just what the situation is and what the procedures are for dealing with it. Ambiguous words buried deep in a web site simply aren't enough now that you've given the land sharks (lawyers) a stick to beat you with.
And how long before we get the first whinge about "unfair competition" from the independents because they haven't followed with their own ban?
I had some chap throwing me upside down in front of the bar in the blues room at Southport this June, but don't worry he has his own venue and specialises in style.
I recently witnessed this at Hafah, weekender, the guy, put his lady into a cartwheel move, not sure if its classed as an arial, but it was ridiculous, she almost kicked someone in the head, I did report it.
The shame about this is, Stoke Bloke and Twirlie Bird are very responsible, and I have never seen them doing aerials, that could any way be classed as dangerous to other's, when we go the Roller World in Derby early and late when the venue has more room they can find a very quirt corner to have a go, totally without any issues.
They are relitiverly new to MJ and particually enjoy Arials, its genuinely considerate people like them that will get penalised, for others stupidity.
my piont exactly.
Unfortunately like other things that get debated on this forum, genuinely caring and considerate people end up suffering because of others neglect.
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