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    Re: Ceroc Fulham

    Moved from the Fulham thread - DavidJames
    i thought Ceroc banned aerials at their venues.

    If this is the case why was nothing done about it or am i mistaken.?
    Last edited by David Bailey; 13th-July-2007 at 11:54 AM.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    I moved this, as it's a separate topic from "Fulham-bashing"

    I've not seen any official "no aerials" signs - at any venues - and it's been several months since the edict apparently went out, so I dunno what's happening...

    The last information we got on the Forum was in April:
    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    Hi,

    I can confirm that all Ceroc venues in the UK will shortly be enforcing a ban on aerials.
    The reason some of you are getting conflicting information is that the changes are not yet fully implemented. I still haven't communicated with all my teachers and crew yet as I'm working on a suitable procedure for enforcement of the new rule.
    Any updates on this?

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    I moved this, as it's a separate topic from "Fulham-bashing"

    I've not seen any official "no aerials" signs - at any venues
    You'll find it in the Membership Rules on Ceroc Essex (in the FAQ). I have also seen that text written down at Ceroc Metro venues.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post

    Any updates on this?
    Ceroc Surrey now has displayed at all venues an insurance certificate and if you read the fine details it states that
    ' the practice, teaching or demonstration of aerials is not permitted in the venue including halls, practice rooms and corridors' *

    * ok it's something along those lines I don't have a photographic memory unfortunately

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keefy View Post
    You'll find it in the Membership Rules on Ceroc Essex (in the FAQ). I have also seen that text written down at Ceroc Metro venues.
    Aha! Thanks.

    The dancing, learning or practice of aerial moves is strictly forbidden at any Ceroc venue, save for the Ceroc Champs. Please note that this extends to any part of a Ceroc venue including corridors, the car park or private rooms. This rule applies irrespective of who you are dancing with and this includes a regular dance partner. If you are unsure about this rule, please speak with a Ceroc instructor at your local venue, but no exemptions will be granted.
    That seems to say that it's any Ceroc venue, not just Ceroc Essex - and indeed, looking at the main ceroc.com site, it says the same.

    So that's fairly clear - definitely no aerials.

    I should have made more of a fuss last night I guess...

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Aerials are best kept up on the chimney....

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keefy View Post
    You'll find it in the Membership Rules on Ceroc Essex (in the FAQ). I have also seen that text written down at Ceroc Metro venues.

    Yep I was advised last night at St Albans (Ceroc Metro-land) No airials in the corridors or anywhere!

    So....will there be no airials catagory in the champs next year ? Has anyone checked the cats yet?

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Yep I was advised last night at St Albans (Ceroc Metro-land) No airials in the corridors or anywhere!
    Hmmm, given the original circumstances, I'm surprised you're surprised...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    So....will there be no airials catagory in the champs next year ? Has anyone checked the cats yet?
    Ahem:
    The dancing, learning or practice of aerial moves is strictly forbidden at any Ceroc venue, save for the Ceroc Champs
    What part of that was difficult to understand?

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    What part of that was difficult to understand?
    The hypocrisy

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keefy View Post
    The hypocrisy
    hypocrisy - Definitions from Dictionary.com

    I don't think it's particularly hypocritical - lots of things are allowable in competitions which would be silly in social dancing. Ceroc aren't saying that aerials are "evil", just that they're unsafe in social dancing. Which, most people with expertise in this area would agree with.

    But has anyone actually seen these rules being either (well-) publicized or enforced? Or is it just a legal-cover-your-backside-but-we-won't-actually-do-anything thing?
    Last edited by David Bailey; 13th-July-2007 at 01:52 PM.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    clearly as was discussed in the original thread about this. Nobody does anything about them when they are done. who is supposed to do that, who is responsible for ensuring these rules are not broken. If what your saying is correct, anybody damaged from somebody doing aerials would not be covered by the insurance and im telling you now, the franchisee wont be able to pay anything towards your time off work or worse still your disablility.

    This is a very serious issue and one that Ceroc does not seem to have taken a proper look at.


    Perhaps a health and safety check is needed, a system put in place to map out full instructions to franchisees on breaking of rules. Anyone found doing aerials on site will be asked to leave for example. But who would do that? if it was the rule.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Aha! Thanks.


    I should have made more of a fuss last night I guess...
    yes you should have but your not alone on this front. Most people will complain to each other about people doing aerials but nobody very often does anything about it.

    But at the end of the day We as the punters should not have to do antying about it. The DJ for example must see this going on... why should we do the job for them.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    yes you should have but your not alone on this front. Most people will complain to each other about people doing aerials but nobody very often does anything about it.
    I complained to the local Taxi Dancer. In hindsight, I should have gone up to the stage and asked the DJ to make an announcement - I would have, but I wasn't completely sure that they'd been banned.

    If I see such rampant stupidity again, I'll certainly do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    But at the end of the day We as the punters should not have to do antying about it. The DJ for example must see this going on... why should we do the job for them.
    Well, yeah - but if we don't make a fuss, no-one will. At the end of the day, crew are just people, they generally just want a quiet life with no aggro.

    Credit to Ceroc for (finally) putting a policy in place - but the tricky bit is monitoring, policing and enforcing it.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Credit to Ceroc for (finally) putting a policy in place - but the tricky bit is monitoring, policing and enforcing it.
    there is no credit to Ceroc currently as they are clearly doing nothing to monitor it, police it and enforce it.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Even I have made a complaint about aerials being done before.

    Was at a crowded venue (think blues room at southport) and there were two couples throwing each other everywhere.

    I said something to the door person but after 10 mins nothing had been done. I grabbed one of the aerials women for a dance and explained to her how close her face came to the stilletto of the other woman doing arieals (less than an inch).

    I think she was shocked at how close it was and they didn't do them again,

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    Even I have made a complaint about aerials being done before.

    Was at a crowded venue (think blues room at southport) and there were two couples throwing each other everywhere.

    I said something to the door person but after 10 mins nothing had been done. I grabbed one of the aerials women for a dance and explained to her how close her face came to the stilletto of the other woman doing arieals (less than an inch).

    I think she was shocked at how close it was and they didn't do them again,
    which is my point exactly WF. Its down to us to sort out and it should not be. At the end of the day anybody who is stupid enough to do aerials on a social dance floor needs a smack in the mouth and it wont be long till somebody does that i think or somebody else will end up with a smack in the mouth or stilletto heel in their eye or just generally hurt. Its so rude, ignorant and dangerous totally unacceptable and should not be tolerated by anybody.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    My personal opinion is that with the right space and the right type of aerial then thats fine but small spaces and stupid aerials are a bad bad mix.

    Will ceroc now stop teaching aerials in classes and at weekenders or will there be specialist workshops?

    I very much doubt the insurance will be invalidated by aerials for the simple reason inocent bystanders my be injured.

    Me and BlueEyes no some pretty high risk aerial moves. It's just ashame that like smoking, we will have to go outside the premises to do them.

    Im supprised that they banned them from corridors etc. Maybe they read about mine and Jamies loophole from doing them on the social floor by jumping on the stage, carpets, chairs and tables to do them.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    My personal opinion is that with the right space and the right type of aerial then thats fine but small spaces and stupid aerials are a bad bad mix.

    Will ceroc now stop teaching aerials in classes and at weekenders or will there be specialist workshops?

    I very much doubt the insurance will be invalidated by aerials for the simple reason inocent bystanders my be injured.

    Me and BlueEyes no some pretty high risk aerial moves. It's just ashame that like smoking, we will have to go outside the premises to do them.

    Im supprised that they banned them from corridors etc. Maybe they read about mine and Jamies loophole from doing them on the social floor by jumping on the stage, carpets, chairs and tables to do them.

    The insurance would not be valid if they allowed aerials and could show no management of enforcing it not to be done.

    With regards the loophole, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU. why would you want to do risky aerials etc. whats the point. These are for competitions are workshops only surely.

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    The insurance would not be valid if they allowed aerials and could show no management of enforcing it not to be done.

    With regards the loophole, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU. why would you want to do risky aerials etc. whats the point. These are for competitions are workshops only surely.
    Having my ACII my educated guess is that there will be cover in place. I would also guess that ceroc could have left aerials being allowed but with the new wording and the ban, they would get a (probley quite heafty) discount as in theory the risk would be lower.

    As for was't wrong with me, I was dancing with Jamie, his light weight just begs to be thrown around .



    Just thought, Does this mean I can't somersault DTS anymore

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    Re: Are aerials officially banned at Ceroc?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodface View Post
    Having my ACII my educated guess is that there will be cover in place. I would also guess that ceroc could have left aerials being allowed but with the new wording and the ban, they would get a (probley quite heafty) discount as in theory the risk would be lower.

    As for was't wrong with me, I was dancing with Jamie, his light weight just begs to be thrown around .

    Just thought, Does this mean I can't somersault DTS anymore
    you can do what you like in a quiet area, nobody else around. But not on a public floor no. You should not want to anyway.

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