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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    Well, here you go - you drink and you think it's fine - once in a blue moon. I smoke - and I think it's fine, even though I impose all sorts of restrictions on myself - for the sake of surrounding public.
    Both damage your health - smoke affects your lungs, drink affects your liver. What's your pick ???? - seems to depend upon what you find acceptable by what you do yourself...
    I drink so rarely and so little (one or two glasses max) that it will in no way affect my liver. And I do not go out and get pissed and behave badly. My drinking will not affect others in any way whatsoever. I can't inflict 'passive drinking' on other people, but if you smoke in the same room as other people, you can affect their health. And I loathe peole who go out on the **** and behave like idiots.

    I'm very glad you are a considerate smoker, and actually care about people who might not like your smoke. A lot of smokers wouldn't show this sort of consideration.

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by drathzel View Post
    I agree with Nebula (yes i am also a smoker)

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    The offensive here is - WHY are MY rights cut?!
    Because people who have to breath in the smoke have had no rights in the past. Its about people going into buildings and having a right to clean air for the first time.


    It makes me want to flaunt the law just to spite it all..
    I imagine big industry thought the same when chimneys had to produce less fumes, and toxic waste got banned from rivers, all to protect others; what an inconvenience for them, screw everyone else.

    Your attitude is entirely selfish , its not all about you!
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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by drathzel View Post
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    I hate drinkers, neither jake or i drink regularly, and i have to put up with people , who are so drunk, ruining my clothes
    This isn't a 'smoking verses drinking' issue

    Its a completely seperate subject.


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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    This isn't a 'smoking verses drinking' issue

    Its a completely seperate subject.



    Ok but it could be dangerous, the bear might not like it
    I know Lory but this thread seems to have taken a turn for "what we hate" not "defying the smoking ban" which it started, i am just throwing in my few pence worth!

    Oopps! But ssssh dont tell the Bear!

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Oh, and another thing. Important distinction: use alcohol as it is intended to be enjoyed, and you will not suffer any ill effects (expectant women have to be more careful). Use tobacco as it is intended to be used and you are damaging your lungs and health from drag #1.


    I have nothing against responsible drinking. It's when people drink too much problems arise. And yes, this is a huge problem and cost tax payers lots of money every year.

    Also, I have no problem with people smoking, as long as I don't have to inhale their smoke. But smoking does damage your health, and I don't think you can compare that to an occasional glass of wine or beer.

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Monkey View Post


    I have nothing against responsible drinking. It's when people drink too much problems arise. And yes, this is a huge problem and cost tax payers lots of money every year.

    Also, I have no problem with people smoking, as long as I don't have to inhale their smoke. But smoking does damage your health, and I don't think you can compare that to an occasional glass of wine or beer.
    Indeed. Water will kill you if you drink enough of it so everything has to be drunk in moderation. Smoking is completely negative and has no plus points to it whatsoever.

    Smoking stopped looking cool in the 1960's

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    Both damage your health - smoke affects your lungs, drink affects your liver. What's your pick ???? - seems to depend upon what you find acceptable by what you do yourself...
    Please remember a crucial distinction - a moderate intake of alcohol is beneficial for health (a glass of red wine a day is beneficial for your heart and circulation whilst your liver is able to process small quantities of alcohol without any harm) whilst intake of cigarette smoke is harmful at all levels.

    My understanding is that it is bingo halls that have actually been hit hardest by the smoking ban; people go outside for a fag in the intervals inside of playing (the higher profit margin) fruit machines.

    I heard a rumour that in Scotland, compliance with smoking legislation is linked to alcohol licensing; in effect if you get caught allowing smoking in your pub/hotel, you risk losing your licence (and hence livelihood).

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Monkey View Post
    ..........I don't think chewing gum masks ciggie breath any better than it masks beer breath or garlic. I'd definitely not want to kiss a smoker, even after he's chewed gum!

    It does make me laugh, when smokers chew gum or use mouth spray in order to diguise the fact they have been smoking

    Don't they realise that the smoke fumes are in their body, hair and clothes - a non-smoker can always tell - because they often don't say anything it doesn't mean they can't smell it, they are just too polite

    AND .......... the worst smell in the world is STALE SMOKE .......... yuck


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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    The offensive here is - WHY are MY rights cut?!
    Firstly, you don't have a "right" to smoke. You have rights to life, liberty, security, to not be tortured or made a slave, to a fair trial, to not be punished without due process, and so on, but I can't see anything saying "right to smoke" in the European Convention of Human Rights. I guess they must have missed that one.

    Secondly, even if you did, it'd be a balancing of an individual right against public welfare. So, for example, "freedom of expression" doesn't allow you freedom to make death threats.

    So there's no infringement of any right. There's removal of privilege - but I guess that doesn't sound so good.

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    I have my right to do whatever I choose with my health.
    Again with the "right". Point out where this right is enshrined to me, OK?

    Yes, you could argue that you have some rights to do what you want in your own home under Article 8 (right to respect for private life), but that certainly wouldn't apply outside, or in public places. If you were a naturist, your beliefs wouldn't allow you to parade naked outside, for example

    So, once again:
    You don't have a right to smoke. You never did. So it's not been removed.

    Sorry, but the casual use of the word "rights" gets me going...

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by drathzel View Post
    I dont see why my rights to smoke outside
    What "rights"?

    Grrrr.....

    Quote Originally Posted by drathzel View Post
    I think that if we are not allowed to smoke then why should drinkers be allowed to drink
    Well, the government could indeed theoretically pass a "no public drinking" law - similarly, a drinking ban wouldn't be a violation of anyone's rights, because no-one has a "right" to drink alcohol.

    But if you feel strongly about it, why not start a MJ temperance movement? In fact, as a starting point, you could follow Andy's lead and institute a ban on alcohol sales at your venues...

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    What "rights"?

    Grrrr.....


    Well, the government could indeed theoretically pass a "no public drinking" law - similarly, a drinking ban wouldn't be a violation of anyone's rights, because no-one has a "right" to drink alcohol.

    But if you feel strongly about it, why not start a MJ temperance movement? In fact, as a starting point, you could follow Andy's lead and institute a ban on alcohol sales at your venues...
    Gods - I would pay for that to happen!!!! What's wrong with drinking water - are you men so lacking courage to ask women to dance that you have to glug 3 pints before venturing out on the dance floor? GRRRRRR.... Go outside and have a ciggie instead.

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Indeed. Water will kill you if you drink enough of it so everything has to be drunk in moderation. Smoking is completely negative and has no plus points to it whatsoever. snip
    And that's why Indians smoked pipes for hundreds of years with no ill effects whatsoever and quickly lost their wits when introduced to alcohol?
    Hmmm - I can see your point here.
    Everything is good in moderation - this includes smoking.

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    I agree with Nebula (yes i am also a smoker) in everything she has said in this thread.
    Thank you - at least another brave soul going against the crowd.

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Nebula unfortunately this is just a taster of what will happen to smokers in general i think outside now. I think now that the ban is here you will be treated like lepers at every avenue and at every opportunity you will be dug at in one way or another. The habit has become unacceptable and will not be tolerated as it used to be.

    i have a question about smokers being allowed to smoke in the house.

    Is it child abuse to smoke in front of children. ?

    I think it is and it should be made an abusive act.

    If we all agree (and i think smokers do) then why do we not see it as abusive to adults for example: in a garden, im sitting enjoying my glass of wine, a smoker comes along, lights up and im getting wafts of that smokers fag all over me, is this not abusive to me. Just becuase your outside does not mean we can not still smell it, we stil inhale it and its still awful for somebody who is not smoking.

    I would strongly recommend anybody who smokes to read Allen Carrs easy way to give up smoking, it really is a very good read, even if you dont give up and he tells you not to whilst your smoking it, it certainly will give you something to think about or use as toilet roll should you find it boring.

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    Everything is good in moderation - this includes smoking.
    Including solvent abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    Gods - I would pay for that to happen!!!! What's wrong with drinking water...
    I do, I feel it would be irresponsible of me to put a woman into a dip or drop if I'd been drinking. I also find I have no need to drink to have a good time.

    There is an ongoing attempt to tackle binge drinking and such. You might think it isn't as restrictive as the smoking ban, neither do I, but they are trying to make some ground.

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    Gods - I would pay for that to happen!!!! What's wrong with drinking water - are you men so lacking courage to ask women to dance that you have to glug 3 pints before venturing out on the dance floor? GRRRRRR.... Go outside and have a ciggie instead.
    In that case, may I suggest starting a new thread on "Banning alcohol"?

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    And that's why Indians smoked pipes for hundreds of years with no ill effects whatsoever and quickly lost their wits when introduced to alcohol?
    Hmmm - I can see your point here.
    Everything is good in moderation - this includes smoking.
    er...no. There may be some short term feel good feelings but that does not make inhaling burning noxious fumes in your lungs "good in moderation". Your comparison is ridiculous, some races are genetically not able to handle alcohol and they should not drink it. No one can handle smoking with no ill effects so no one should smoke.....But thats not the issue here, freedom of choice is; you can still smoke; its the inflicting it on others that has to be banned.
    In 1910 heroin was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children (here) - should this be reinstated? by your logic, parents have lost the right to administer this medicine to their children. A right they should never have lost. How DARE the government interfere. So really, your stance is: "heroin for kids" - and I'm not sure I can agree

    Equally, I can just imagine you in a deep south U.S. state just after the civil war proclaiming "but I have the RIGHT to have slaves - how dare you take away my right"

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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by nebula View Post
    And that's why Indians smoked pipes for hundreds of years with no ill effects whatsoever and quickly lost their wits when introduced to alcohol?
    I suspect that it's pure supposition on your part as to how long native americans smoked for and whether they suffered ill effects. Not to mention how much and how often they smoked, the extent to which a 'peace pipe' matched cigarettes and cigars as a danger to health.

    Not that it's much of a guide but in western movies it's always the cowboys who have a permanent fag drooping from their lips; the 'indians' only smoke ceremonially. You don't see the young braves flicking their butts into the bushes before vaulting onto their horse to attack the white-eyes!

    Oh, and while I think about it, the native american response to alcohol was largely to do with them being rounded up, forced to march hundreds of miles from their home country, and then herded together on 'reservations' where they couldn't get a livelihood from the land but were dependant on hand-outs from the local indian agency, which was almost invariably corrupt. I strongly doubt that the native americans was the only society in the world not to have discovered alcohol before Columbus landed.
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    Re: Puffers defy day one of smoking ban

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post

    But if you feel strongly about it, why not start a MJ temperance movement? In fact, as a starting point, you could follow Andy's lead and institute a ban on alcohol sales at your venues...

    AFAIK Only one or two people at my venues drink anyway!

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