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Reply With QuoteMarc who? any clips on the web?
Simple question ... where are they?
In the 'good old days' .... ok about 3 yaers ago, we seemed to have an embaressment of riches. Nigel and Nina were adapting Blues to MJ, Viktor was spreading the word about Salsa fusion, Amir was introducing Jango. From a dancer perspective Dan Baines was still to be seen with his incredible hiphop style and James Geary was to be seen amazing his surrounding dancers by the moves he just seemd to create on the fly. In Scotland, James and FC were starting to meld his naturaly street style and her line dancing background into their Ceroc. All these chaps and chapesses brought something new to the scene and the dance world was better for it.
Where are me now? We still have a plethora of solid, good instructors, WCS is developing somewhat apart from MJ but I don't see much real innovation. Possibly the one bright star remains Marc. After three years or so of seeing him dance he still amazes me. I would pay more money for an hours DVD of him just freestyleing than any DVD by any instructor ... even J&T.
So .. do you know any real innovators or is the dance scene in a stage of consolidation?
Marc who? any clips on the web?
Marc Forster ... as in Marc and Rachel. Living legends ... Ceroc instructors in Phil Roberts empire. usualy known for his Cuban Blues workshops and DJing. Haven'y you heard? All the best instructors live north of the Watford Gap.Originally Posted by woodface
I'd say Amir's still going strong. Jango's still evolving happilly.
Yup ... thought about that after I'd postedI'd say Amir's still going strong. Jango's still evolving happilly.
Ahhh that Marc. Not been fortunate enough to see him dance yet but always hear good things.Marc Forster ... as in Marc and Rachel. Living legends ... Ceroc instructors in Phil Roberts empire. usualy known for his Cuban Blues workshops and DJing. Haven'y you heard? All the best instructors live north of the Watford Gap.
What about Jamie?
I think the problem with all the innovations Gus has described is that they are all aimed at people who have already learnt the "Ceroc Stylee". The innovations of the past are for people who have gone as far as they can at Ceroc and would like to progress in some way. I think those people are now trying WCS and do not need new MJ innovations.
IMHO there is a quiet revolution going on. And it's not being driven by the stars. It's us guys who are running weekly classes. There's plenty of us teaching a smoother, slightly more technical, version of MJ. It's a bit like WCS without the &. I'm certain we're not the only people teaching it, Nicky & Jim are and so is David Plummer. There's a couple over in Bournemouth who I think are teaching it too.
The difference is quite marked from the standard Ceroc. So much so we've had people come to our classes because they've seen people dance our, smooth 'n' slotted way, asked the people where they learnt and started to attend our classes. These people are so different it really disrupts the lesson to have to point out the bounce is not required. People who have learnt with us from scratch do not have the bounce to start off with so they do not need a cure.
Maybe I should set up a conversion course for these bouncy circle dancers
I'd say Amir's still going strong. Jango's still evolving happilly.It's not just the content within his classes (which is superb) but for me, what stands out is his method of delivery.
Being in the room during the filming of his classes at Blaze was a real education.
Without a doubt Amir, you are the coolest dude in school.
Good grief... Almost as much a wf classic as "David Franklin - what does he know about aerials"
As for Amir:
Absolutely - it's layered, that makes it accessible to dancers at any level.
Yeah, but I'm still not keen on the new haircut. Possibly I'm just jealous.Without a doubt Amir, you are the coolest dude in school
Marc could have been any Marc going. I guessed after i posted it could have been him. I don't hang around the Trendy venues in london, I hang around the ones in the west (where most of the ceroc champs are basedGood grief... Almost as much a wf classic as "David Franklin - what does he know about aerials"
Would like you to find me that quote, Don't think it was said like that was it??
I didn't know who David Franklin was as I have only been dancing 16 odd moths and so was not about to see the champs from the bygone years.
There could be loads of Francks and Amirs, too.
I would, but I suffer from terminal can't-be-botheredness.Would like you to find me that quote, Don't think it was said like that was it??
I'm going to manfully resist searching out all the occasions you've said that, and placing them all in a thread. Because that would be Evil.
Almost as Evil as posting abusive videos on Youtube, in fact.
Here, I believe.Would like you to find me that quote, Don't think it was said like that was it??
Different wording, similar sentiment, from where I'm standing...
I'd give you rep but I still need to spread it around.
Woodface posts like MJ was invented 16 months ago. The saying goes something like "he who does not know history is doomed to reapeat it" woodface is a living, breathing example of this. He's come on here and started posting like a seasoned dancer - and then he uses his 16 months of experience to account for his mistakes. It's one or the other, woodface.
I think that wooface is like a puppy in the way he understands the world. It's quite refreshing in a weird and annoying way as it looks at the world of MJ as if it was all shiny and new - rather like it would be for you if you were a puppy.
That's the one. Well found.
So, not exactly what I said, but pretty much equivalent meaning.
As a general point: woodface, I'm aware that it may feel like everyone's having a go at you - but, really, it's simply done in reaction to your continuous foot-in-mouth posting syndrome.
Most of the posters on this forum are welcoming, patient, and well-informed - for example, David Franklin (obviously I'm not including Andy McGregror, of course). It's worth displaying a little humility in the face of experience.
You're an early-intermediate dancer; clearly a talented one, but there's a lot of talented new dancers out there.
You're clearly intelligent, so I can only assume that you want to be seen as "controversial". But there's controversial, and there's troll-like.
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Whole thread on experiance somewhere so not going in to all that now.That's the one. Well found.
So, not exactly what I said, but pretty much equivalent meaning.
As a general point: woodface, I'm aware that it may feel like everyone's having a go at you - but, really, it's simply done in reaction to your continuous foot-in-mouth posting syndrome.
Most of the posters on this forum are welcoming, patient, and well-informed - for example, David Franklin (obviously I'm not including Andy McGregror, of course
You're an early-intermediate dancer; clearly a talented one, but there's a lot of talented new dancers out there.
You're clearly intelligent, so I can only assume that you want to be seen as "controversial". But there's controversial, and there's troll-like.
Back to topic DJ or are you derailing another thread?
There are IMHO quite a few good innovative dancers out there. Think the most noticable one is Jamie.
Central Alex and Lisa Richardson also seem to be doing alot within Ceroc at the mo to make it fresh and Funky.
Everyone will have their own definiton of Innovative based on what style they like to dance.
Someone who dances like they are on a trampoline might be exciting and innovative to someone who dances like tigger.
Yes, it's true. I'll try to avoid it in future.Back to topic DJ or are you derailing another thread?
Blimey, reprimanded by woodface for thread derailing, it's been a very weird week on the forum....
No offence to Jamie, but he's just the only other prominent young forumite in this category.
There are a lot of other fantastic innovative dancers out there. James Geary, for example, is a pleasure to watch, because of the Lambada thing he's got going.
As for fantastic instructors, not so many - in fact, fantastic dancers are not always fantastic instructors, simply because a lot of what they do comes naturally.
I certainly don't think there are less good instructors than there used to be - in fact, I'd say there were more, simply because instructors generally don't get worse at instructing. We hope...
.... and with that beckons the possibility of a whole new thread ....
Re the mention of Alex, Jamie etc .... again I would say very good dancers ... but nothing new. THe funky thing has been around since Dan Baines hit the scene. Think Dan Slape and Adam & Tas are still doing something similar-ish but its no longer new nor that different to what hit the scene in the late 90's .... which was about 5 BWF translates as 5 years Before WoodFace
So my opinion that Jamie and Alex are good innovative dancers is poo pooed by Gus and David James because they dont agree.
No ... In the opinion of Gus and DJ they are not innovative dancers. Gus and DJ didn't comment on your opinion ......... though we could go off-thread and wonder if DJ and Gus's opinion outweigh WF as he's been around for five minutes and they have both been dancing since the last milleniumSo my opinion that Jamie and Alex are good innovative dancers is poo pooed by Gus and David James because they dont agree.
So my opinion that Jamie and Alex are good innovative dancers is poo pooed by Gus and David James because they dont agree.
OK, where did I say that Jamie is not a good innovative dancer? I'd love to see that quote.
Because, silly me, I thought I said:
("this category" being "young and innovative dancers").
But I'd love to see your evidence for me saying this.
In truth, I've not seen Jamie dance much, so I couldn't say what his style is like.
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