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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepman View Post
    Only a majority in the "first past the post" system. After a quick flick through the programme, I reckon there were 20 lessons for MJ, 23 for other dance styles, and 1 non dance lesson.
    Yeah, well-counted.

    Hmmm, maybe Gus has a point...

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    but having done a couple of Cha Cha workshops and deciding that I don't want to learn it, yet another Cha Cha workshop is yet another ChaCha workshop – no matter who teaches it, or what its content.

    Maybe if the description for Graham Fox's class said "How to incorporate Cha Cha into your MJ" I'd have made time and gone to it, as that is something I'd like to do.
    Do you see why a simple Tiger Pants gets confused ?????

    I simple thought that comments about a disappointing line-up of workshops was inappropriate if you didn't know the content. Anyway I actually agree that maybe a fuller description of the content of each workshop may be useful in the decision making process. I am simply glad that the workshops I did were in no way disappointing.

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Pants View Post
    Do you see why a simple Tiger Pants gets confused ?????
    There definitely should be an infractable offence for multiple punctuation marks. I'm amazed there isn't one actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Pants View Post
    IAnyway I actually agree that maybe a fuller description of the content of each workshop may be useful in the decision making process.
    I agree. I'd prefer more class information, and less "Bio" information.

    Also, it'd be nice if the programme were on the website, even if only as a PDF or something.

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Also, it'd be nice if the programme were on the website, even if only as a PDF or something.
    Hey ... at least you get a fair idea who is teaching and DJing ... not like Ceroc! I'm get a little hacked off with the Escape Websites just having some 'illustrative' timetable up in advance. Is it that hard to do??


    ohhhhhhhhhhh ... that was my 4000th post ..... how depressingly appropriate that I was whinging about something rather than being positive..

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Hey ... at least you get a fair idea who is teaching and DJing ... not like Ceroc! I'm get a little hacked off with the Escape Websites just having some 'illustrative' timetable up in advance. Is it that hard to do??
    Ceroc (in the form of Ceroc Scotland) had a full timetable up for Blaze a week in advance – didn't you see the links?

    They also had very good descriptions in their event booklet too. And lots of useful MJ workshops.
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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Ceroc (in the form of Ceroc Scotland) had a full timetable up for Blaze a week in advance – didn't you see the links?

    They also had very good descriptions in their event booklet too. And lots of useful MJ workshops.
    I KNEW that was going to happen ....

    I should have said with the exception of Blaze.

    AND as I said before ... I felt the choice of workshops at Blaze was far better suited for intermediate and 'advanced' MJers than Southport (IMHO). Having said that .. the classes at Blaze would not have worked with an audience of 300+ like there was at Southport .....

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    There definitely should be an infractable offence for multiple punctuation marks. I'm amazed there isn't one actually.

    Simply a question mark for each line in my brow when reading the post.

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Pants View Post
    Simply a question mark for each line in my brow when reading the post.
    I'm rewriting the rules right now...

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    I'm rewriting the rules right now...
    Oh no, first possible infraction now a rule change no wonder I don't post often......now I know how Franck feels with that WCS forum.......shall I go back to being a reader..........DON'T THINK SO !! AND AND ANOTHER !!! OPPS AND ANOTHER !!!!

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Maybe if the description for Graham Fox's class said "How to incorporate Cha Cha into your MJ" I'd have made time and gone to it, as that is something I'd like to do.
    Can you incorporate cha cha into MJ? Aren't the timings different?

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Can you incorporate cha cha into MJ? Aren't the timings different?
    I only know a few moves of cha cha cha so get bored quickly. A good follow will swap seemlessly as I hash it all together cha cha and back to MJ obviously to a cha cha track. Aren't followers amazing !!!!

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Can you incorporate cha cha into MJ? Aren't the timings different?
    Yes, the rhythm is clave-based, like salsa, r(h)umba, etc.

    Although the chacha tempo is closer to MJ tempo than salsa or rumba.

    But yes - chopping and changing between triple-step and non-triple-step is a bit of a challenge. It's doable, but I'm not sure it's very pretty.

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Can you incorporate cha cha into MJ? Aren't the timings different?
    Ceroc already teach a few classic cha-cha moves (at least I've been taught them in a normal Ceroc class), so it must be possible...

    I guess if you can get your feet in the right place at the right time it wouldn't be difficult to move from a mambo step into a proper cha-cha step. (And guess what – Mambo timing is also different to MJ timing!)

    Things like basket walks, again, it must be possible to do in a more cha-cha style...

    There's loads of songs which we enjoy dancing our MJ to which are really cha-cha songs underneath. I'd like to find a way to dance better to these songs.
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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Ceroc already teach a few classic cha-cha moves (at least I've been taught them in a normal Ceroc class), so it must be possible...
    There's an "open out" thing which Ceroc taught / teaches, but that's not the same style (I believe) as a chacha open-out, which is more like a Cucaracha move I think. Although I could be completely confused with Chacha and Rumba of course

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    I guess if you can get your feet in the right place at the right time it wouldn't be difficult to move from a mambo step into a proper cha-cha step.
    Except that a chacha forward-and-back step (like Rumba and Salsa) involves a weight change - leaders go forward on left, back together, then change weight and back on right, for example. Whereas a the "mambo move" (Manhattan) taught by Ceroc is forward on left, back on left.

    As always, teaching weight changes - and leading them - to MJ-ers is a bit of a challenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    There's loads of songs which we enjoy dancing our MJ to which are really cha-cha songs underneath. I'd like to find a way to dance better to these songs.
    I'm not sure that chacha will actually directly help MJ dancing - in fact, I think it's more difficult to mix-and-match chacha / MJ than AT / MJ, simply because the rhythm is different.

    So it's probably better to just dance either chacha or MJ to a given track, I'd suggest.

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    Re: Southport workshops

    By timing issues, I refer more to the fact that cha cha should start on the 2 and MJ moves tend to start on the 1 or 3. I would talk about upbeats and downbeats but I don't understand them myself.

    Having said that, Simon Rich's cha cha for jivers routine on the Chill DVD is in correct cha cha timing.

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    ........So it's probably better to just dance either chacha or MJ to a given track, I'd suggest.
    Unless you have done a workshop that actually helps you incorporate one into the other.....and you can lead it of course

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    Re: Southport workshops

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    By timing issues, I refer more to the fact that cha cha should start on the 2 and MJ moves tend to start on the 1 or 3. I would talk about upbeats and downbeats but I don't understand them myself.
    Actually, some chachas (street style) can start on 1. Which may be easier to teach if you're doing a lot of transitions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Pants View Post
    Unless you have done a workshop that actually helps you incorporate one into the other.....and you can lead it of course
    OK, I'll bite. Go on then, explain how this happens.

    Being as I'm a bit of a novice in this area of dancing to Latin music, I'd appreciate any tips

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    Re: Southport workshops

    There's classes in Glasgow which teach "Latin Swing", adapting latin dances to the swing style of dancing. I only ever managed to get to one of these classes, but in it we were doing simple swing moves to cha-cha timing.

    I thought it worked well. Maybe I should go back to them...
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