I have no issues and feel equally comfortable with gays and straights
I'm comfortable, until I'm asked to dance
I'm embarrassed by gay people dancing together it still seems "odd"
I wouldn't want to be taught by one
Other please elaborate
I first met Dai at Oxford late last year she won dance with a stranger and was dancing with 'tortoise' 'shell' for Manchester who was with me. after I said i'm guuna get the 'champ' she told me later she was petrified as I strode across goodness know why she had won I came no where.
I got talking to her and she said she only danced localy due to been a fremale lead, and the reaction she might get not knowing anyone and asking ladies.
Not anymore babes.....your one of us ..............'Fletcherette'..........you can go any where at anytime now .....your the famous Dai......
I'm proud to say she's a good friend of mine
Only problem now is I have to que like the rest for a dance
Sh!!!! Its supposed to be a secret - remember "No one knows"
Cheers Jamie, Yes when i started dancing i wanted to learn to lead. It was not welcomed at first at my local venues, but it was ok. What was even less welcomed was when i moved on to the intermediate class, as often i made a hash of it. So i learnt the moves with a fixed partner until i was confident enough to join in the lines. There were still women who i used to panic about if i ended up with them for the "twice hrough and into freestyle" and it certainly didn't help when they'd roll their eyes, and sigh as soon as they knew they had got me.
With regards to my dips and drops, most women refused to do them in class with me, so i practiced them, and airsteps ouside of ceroc, so that i could be really secure with the moves. I still get people now who don't know me that are not keen on doing drops, but they relax when they have done the first.
That night was my first night away from my comfort zone of ceroc central, and i went on my own to meet a friend there. I got there, and we had a couple of dances, i scanned the room, and saw another couple i knew, who i danced with... right what now i thought. I asked women who looked like good dancers, and most of them refused me. Maybe because they didn't know i could lead, may be because they thought i'd be a really pants lead being a woman, may be because i was a new face and they didn't know me. Whichever way you look at it, it made me feel pretty bad, and i wished i had stayed at my local venue. Then there was the competition, and my friend said i should do it, i wasn't keen but i did i none the less. Well Shell and i won - and it was totally unexpected. Then all the women who had refused me (well most of them) came and asked me to dance after that.
I certainly had a better night after the comp, but it should have to take something like that for people to accept a dance with someone who is a little different.
I have since been taken all over the country, under Fletch's wing, and have found most venues will accept the female lead thing, and i get plenty of dances. However sometimes until people have seen me leading i find i hard to get a dance.
Fletch honey - when do you ever queue for anyone? I beleive you stide across the dance floor and terrify your victims into submission!!
i'm not that good with secrets
I bet they don't roll there eye's now, I bet they say 'I new her when she was a nobody'
them dips and drops i'm just remembering you and 'trouble' at ice on the 1st Jan
or Phil of phil and Yuko at 'chill' recently, so funny you tried to drop him and he didn't want to I don't think he knew how strong you are get down there boy
you a little different, you belended in realy well at 'chill' with red contact's and the real devil look
Like all my 'fledgelings' i'm hear till your ready to fly on your own and honey your realy flying now
there are a few I que for, but I stand at the edge of the dance floor while there dancing saying i'm queing for you
Stokie I need to learn how to do them multi quote thing's ......so I can pop my quoted in between
Maybe when we look at other people we try to put themselves in their place? Then, if they do something that we would not like to do, it can make us feel bad even if we have no objection to other people doing it? It might seem like a ludicrous comparison, but if you see someone eating something you don't like then you may pull a disgusted face and feel bad even though you would have no objection to other people eating things?
a very good point. I never liked people smoking near me when I'm eating and would always move or leave, now that it cant happen in Scotland I get really annoyed when I come across this. I know this is because I would not be that inconsiderate if it was me puffing out toxic fumes, so I assume these people are both ignorant and selfish.
- would this be as likely to have happend if the guy 's lover have been a women (think the Monica Lewisnsky scandal)
I just don't know
BBC NEWS | Business | 'Perjury' threat for ex-BP boss
This story would have been no different had Lord John Browne's lover been female. The issue is not that he is gay nor that he met his lover through a gay escort service. The issue is that he lied about these matters in a witness statement, which is a very serious matter. If a contempts of court such as this were to go unpunished, it would undermine the rule of law.
In this particular case, the judge decided not to refer the matter to the Attorney General because he felt that public exposure of the lies would itself be sufficient punishment, given the consequences for such a high profile figure.
IMO one of the best WCS and Ballroom teachers in London is gay (Ralf Schiller) he was taught WCS by Buddy Schwimmer (Benji's dad)
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Probably more to the point, the issue is that he tried to "gag" the press on a privacy issue, and when's all said and done, the press tend to be a vindictive bunch on the (rare) occasion that a court sides with them.
So I agree that whatever happened, the press would have had a field day with him. Even so, I think the way they have emphasised the homosexuality angle makes it clear they consider it a particularly sordid twist. (Loosely put, if the woman had been a female prostitute, I think the attitude would have been he was a "silly old fool". But I'm getting a definite air of "silly old fool, and a pervert, to boot" from some of the tabloids).
There is no homophobic subtext in the reports I've read in the broadsheets. I haven't read the tabloids, but it doesn't surprise me if their angle is homophobic. When the liberal democrat Mark Oaten was exposed as having had an affair with a "rent boy", the press adopted a much more moralistic tone than they would have done had he been seeing a female prostitute.
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