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    Re: Gay rights - job done

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie View Post
    Yes.

    She's a fantastic leader. She also learned how to do drops, I'll tell you now, I'd far rather be thrown to the floor by her than any man.
    Dai is ace and a beautiful lady as well. She makes you dance, by that I mean she has great attitude, musicality and makes the follower shine.
    Not forgetting your good self Jamie,still remember when we got our applause at Doncaster babes.

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    Re: Gay rights - job done

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    Fist of all what is a jerker?
    ...with language like that it's amazing this didn't get sent upstairs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie View Post

    This is exactly the same situation Dai was in when she started dancing. She wanted to lead, so she did. She didn't start learning to follow until about 2-3 years after starting dancing. She's a fantastic leader. She also learned how to do drops, I'll tell you now, I'd far rather be thrown to the floor by her than any man.

    I first met Dai at Oxford late last year she won dance with a stranger and was dancing with 'tortoise' 'shell' for Manchester who was with me. after I said i'm guuna get the 'champ' she told me later she was petrified as I strode across goodness know why she had won I came no where.

    I got talking to her and she said she only danced localy due to been a fremale lead, and the reaction she might get not knowing anyone and asking ladies.


    Not anymore babes.....your one of us ..............'Fletcherette'..........you can go any where at anytime now .....your the famous Dai......



    Quote Originally Posted by rubyred View Post
    Dai is ace and a beautiful lady as well. She makes you dance, by that I mean she has great attitude, musicality and makes the follower shine.
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    I'm proud to say she's a good friend of mine

    Only problem now is I have to que like the rest for a dance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    My daughter was at the last weekender and she asked if a particular lady was gay. I told her I honestly didn't know.
    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    didn't you read the 't' shirt
    Sh!!!! Its supposed to be a secret - remember "No one knows"

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    I actually have two lesbian friends who are about to start Ceroc (at least they’ve said they want to). It’ll be interesting to see how they get on. I’m assuming that they will both go in and learn to follow, though one of them might want to lead. I’m not sure if I should discuss it with her or not. If she goes along and learns to follow, she won’t be able to dance with her actual partner at all to start with. But if she goes along and learns to lead straight away, without learning to follow, then where will that leave her dancing – at least the option of who to dance with? (I should probably add here that she looks quite androgynous.) To be honest, I'll probably just leave it and see what happens. Anyone have any thoughts?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie View Post
    Yes.

    This is exactly the same situation Dai was in when she started dancing. She wanted to lead, so she did. She didn't start learning to follow until about 2-3 years after starting dancing. She's a fantastic leader. She also learned how to do drops, I'll tell you now, I'd far rather be thrown to the floor by her than any man.
    Cheers Jamie, Yes when i started dancing i wanted to learn to lead. It was not welcomed at first at my local venues, but it was ok. What was even less welcomed was when i moved on to the intermediate class, as often i made a hash of it. So i learnt the moves with a fixed partner until i was confident enough to join in the lines. There were still women who i used to panic about if i ended up with them for the "twice hrough and into freestyle" and it certainly didn't help when they'd roll their eyes, and sigh as soon as they knew they had got me.

    With regards to my dips and drops, most women refused to do them in class with me, so i practiced them, and airsteps ouside of ceroc, so that i could be really secure with the moves. I still get people now who don't know me that are not keen on doing drops, but they relax when they have done the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    I first met Dai at Oxford late last year she won dance with a stranger and was dancing with 'tortoise' 'shell' for Manchester who was with me. after I said i'm guuna get the 'champ' she told me later she was petrified as I strode across goodness know why she had won I came no where.
    That night was my first night away from my comfort zone of ceroc central, and i went on my own to meet a friend there. I got there, and we had a couple of dances, i scanned the room, and saw another couple i knew, who i danced with... right what now i thought. I asked women who looked like good dancers, and most of them refused me. Maybe because they didn't know i could lead, may be because they thought i'd be a really pants lead being a woman, may be because i was a new face and they didn't know me. Whichever way you look at it, it made me feel pretty bad, and i wished i had stayed at my local venue. Then there was the competition, and my friend said i should do it, i wasn't keen but i did i none the less. Well Shell and i won - and it was totally unexpected. Then all the women who had refused me (well most of them) came and asked me to dance after that.

    I certainly had a better night after the comp, but it should have to take something like that for people to accept a dance with someone who is a little different.

    I have since been taken all over the country, under Fletch's wing, and have found most venues will accept the female lead thing, and i get plenty of dances. However sometimes until people have seen me leading i find i hard to get a dance.



    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    I'm proud to say she's a good friend of mine

    Only problem now is I have to que like the rest for a dance
    Fletch honey - when do you ever queue for anyone? I beleive you stide across the dance floor and terrify your victims into submission!!

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    Re: Gay rights - job done

    Quote Originally Posted by Dai View Post
    Sh!!!! Its supposed to be a secret - remember "No one knows"




    they'd roll their eyes, and sigh as soon as they knew they had got me.

    With regards to my dips and drops, most women refused to do them in class with me, so i practiced them, and airsteps ouside of ceroc, so that i could be really secure with the moves. I still get people now who don't know me that are not keen on doing drops, but they relax when they have done the first.



    refused me (well most of them) came and asked me to dance after that.

    I certainly had a better night after the comp, but it should have to take something like that for people to accept a dance with someone who is a little different.

    I have since been taken all over the country, under Fletch's wing, and have found most venues will accept the female lead thing, and i get plenty of dances. However sometimes until people have seen me leading i find i hard to get a dance.





    Fletch honey - when do you ever queue for anyone? I beleive you stide across the dance floor and terrify your victims into submission!!

    i'm not that good with secrets


    I bet they don't roll there eye's now, I bet they say 'I new her when she was a nobody'

    them dips and drops i'm just remembering you and 'trouble' at ice on the 1st Jan


    or Phil of phil and Yuko at 'chill' recently, so funny you tried to drop him and he didn't want to I don't think he knew how strong you are get down there boy

    you a little different, you belended in realy well at 'chill' with red contact's and the real devil look

    Like all my 'fledgelings' i'm hear till your ready to fly on your own and honey your realy flying now

    there are a few I que for, but I stand at the edge of the dance floor while there dancing saying i'm queing for you




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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    I would like to think I was a broad minded, tolerant and not prejudied against other people ....but... on the way to work on Saturday a lesbian couple in front of me were walking along holding hands and then had a big massive snog at the train station, which totally wierded me out. I was then really surprised and annoyed with myself for having that reaction. Maybe we have a gut level prejudice against anyone different from ourselves that we can override (or is it just me being a bad person! )
    Maybe when we look at other people we try to put themselves in their place? Then, if they do something that we would not like to do, it can make us feel bad even if we have no objection to other people doing it? It might seem like a ludicrous comparison, but if you see someone eating something you don't like then you may pull a disgusted face and feel bad even though you would have no objection to other people eating things?

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    Re: Gay rights - job done

    Quote Originally Posted by Jhutch View Post
    Maybe when we look at other people we try to put themselves in their place? Then, if they do something that we would not like to do, it can make us feel bad even if we have no objection to other people doing it? It might seem like a ludicrous comparison, but if you see someone eating something you don't like then you may pull a disgusted face and feel bad even though you would have no objection to other people eating things?
    a very good point. I never liked people smoking near me when I'm eating and would always move or leave, now that it cant happen in Scotland I get really annoyed when I come across this. I know this is because I would not be that inconsiderate if it was me puffing out toxic fumes, so I assume these people are both ignorant and selfish.

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    - would this be as likely to have happend if the guy 's lover have been a women (think the Monica Lewisnsky scandal)

    I just don't know
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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaS View Post
    - would this be as likely to have happend if the guy 's lover have been a women (think the Monica Lewisnsky scandal)

    I just don't know
    BBC NEWS | Business | 'Perjury' threat for ex-BP boss
    This story would have been no different had Lord John Browne's lover been female. The issue is not that he is gay nor that he met his lover through a gay escort service. The issue is that he lied about these matters in a witness statement, which is a very serious matter. If a contempts of court such as this were to go unpunished, it would undermine the rule of law.

    In this particular case, the judge decided not to refer the matter to the Attorney General because he felt that public exposure of the lies would itself be sufficient punishment, given the consequences for such a high profile figure.

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    IMO one of the best WCS and Ballroom teachers in London is gay (Ralf Schiller) he was taught WCS by Buddy Schwimmer (Benji's dad)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin dryer View Post
    This story would have been no different had Lord John Browne's lover been female. The issue is not that he is gay nor that he met his lover through a gay escort service. The issue is that he lied about these matters in a witness statement, which is a very serious matter.
    Probably more to the point, the issue is that he tried to "gag" the press on a privacy issue, and when's all said and done, the press tend to be a vindictive bunch on the (rare) occasion that a court sides with them.

    So I agree that whatever happened, the press would have had a field day with him. Even so, I think the way they have emphasised the homosexuality angle makes it clear they consider it a particularly sordid twist. (Loosely put, if the woman had been a female prostitute, I think the attitude would have been he was a "silly old fool". But I'm getting a definite air of "silly old fool, and a pervert, to boot" from some of the tabloids).

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    I agree that whatever happened, the press would have had a field day with him. Even so, I think the way they have emphasised the homosexuality angle makes it clear they consider it a particularly sordid twist. (Loosely put, if the woman had been a female prostitute, I think the attitude would have been he was a "silly old fool". But I'm getting a definite air of "silly old fool, and a pervert, to boot" from some of the tabloids).
    There is no homophobic subtext in the reports I've read in the broadsheets. I haven't read the tabloids, but it doesn't surprise me if their angle is homophobic. When the liberal democrat Mark Oaten was exposed as having had an affair with a "rent boy", the press adopted a much more moralistic tone than they would have done had he been seeing a female prostitute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killingtime View Post
    Are you kidding? I assume everyone who dances with me fancies me. No one tell me otherwise and burst my bubble, please
    Of course they do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    I would like to think I was a broad minded, tolerant and not prejudied against other people ....but... on the way to work on Saturday a lesbian couple in front of me were walking along holding hands and then had a big massive snog at the train station, which totally wierded me out. I was then really surprised and annoyed with myself for having that reaction. Maybe we have a gut level prejudice against anyone different from ourselves that we can override (or is it just me being a bad person! )
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