interesting set of statistics here. Some evidence for the fact that tougher laws and sentencing do not help the US with their most crime ridden society tag
Good grief, there is somebody out there who is using their head to think with, instead of hitting bricks.
There are always comments like 'do this' to them and 'do that' to them. Almost never do you get anybody saying 'This is what we should do with them AFTER they've been punished.'
interesting set of statistics here. Some evidence for the fact that tougher laws and sentencing do not help the US with their most crime ridden society tag
Apologies, since I have said this before, but the plain fact is that crime and order policies do not solve crime and order problems, for that you have to look to social policies.
Crime and order policies are limited to dealing with crimes and criminals, and a little bit of prevention. If you want to reduce the number of crimes you have to reduce the number or people who don't see why they shouldn't commit crimes, and the number of people who are too dumb to realise when they cross the boundary.
Think the main thing is that the children are safe from any repeat of the harm they experienced in being encouraged to think that its ok to hurt each other . Call me child centered I don't care , just want to make sure the kids are ok. Punishment? well..... what's that all about.... when your a baby and your mam encouraged you to punch the living daylights out of each other for sport? Like to know that someone was there for me [as the child] to make sure that it doesn't happen to other siblings cos it wasn't nice soooooooo..... let the grown ups decide is emotional abuse more harmful to a persons development than say someone robbing from a bank?? Funny eh! why does the bank robber always gets more sanctions from society when all they've done is take some money??. Hey.... [AS THE CHILD ] I was encouraged to hurt another human being, does human misery take less precedence in the eyes of the law over material things.
Just to give you an update. The mother of the children concerned has had 10 supervised visits arranged for her to see her children, but she has only bothered to turn up for 5 of them.
You probably don't realise this, DT, but you may be interpreting this information in line with your pre-existing feelings.
Having worked in family law (for the shortest possible time) I can inform you that people miss visits for all sorts of reasons. It's not unheard of for people to tell their solicitors that they sat in a car around the corner for the whole afternoon but could not bring themselves to knock on the door and take their own children out for the afternoon. The other side sometimes rushes off to court to get the visitation order varied because of the callous behaviour of the first parent in making arrangements to come and then not turning up.
Clearly these are not ideal mothers, nobody is wasting time on that argument. And they don't love their kids the way you love yours. But whether they love them at all - that's hidden from us.
That’s fine so whats the point ???
The mother isn’t the best in the world
No one I think on this thread suggested
a) she should keep her kids
b) she was a fit mother
the original question was should she go to prison some said no some said yes
she has had 5 supervised visits lets assume she was playing bingo re the rest
for me it’s the kids that matter in this and I think the court has more of the ‘facts’ then we do that’s all
Well obviously, the father would have no reason to stretch the truth, would he?
Plus, you surely must have known of situations where the kids are 'Mummy mummy mummy!' when the ex-husband's back is turned and 'Daddy daddy daddy!' when the ex-wife isn't around.
Finally, with your smug 'I prefer to stick to the facts', you know just as well as I do that you are drawing inferences from those facts. Otherwise, what's the point of your post? The question is, are the inferences the right ones?
Of course I know if these situations. The children probably do miss their mother very much, which must make it heart breaking when they are taken to see their mother and she doesn't turn up. Haven't they been hurt enough?
I think the pot is calling the kettle dirty ass there Barry...oh smug one.
The point of my post was to update anyone that was interested, that the mother had not kept up with her arranged visits. You can draw your own conclusions.
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