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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    I'll gladly sweep up the mess and bin it. They are human debris after all.
    Jesus, you people are harsh.

    (Maybe I'm wrong and 'christian' virtues would die out if religion faded away....)

    Why must people be punished with the greatest imaginable pain and suffering? What's the point? What purpose does it serve other than blood lust?

    Let's bring back public executions and floggings - wait a minute! We could introduce sharia law - that'll do the trick.

    Aimed at all the viciously self-righteous posts in this thread, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    i think the difference between you and us parents stewart is that its very difficult to feel the emotions parents feel when there are children involved. Its upsetting for all human beings i know but when you have children it becomes more upsetting as you will always think of your own children. When you do have a family you will know exactly what i mean. And im not saying you do not feel upset im just saying it effects you more when you have your own kids.
    I'm sorry, but that's just cr@p.

    I'm heartily fed up of all this 'special pleading' that goes on.

    It's equally possible that people without children are able to assess these matters better than you precisely because you have children.

    Objectivity, you know. Dispassionate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Just because these mothers have done something that we find abhorrent to their children doesn't mean they don't love them.
    Thank you for some good common sense. The society we live in is savage enough without visiting more savagery on people we disagree with but don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    No Wrong, wrong, wrong. Removing the children is done to protect the children, not to punish the parents.
    Right, and also - given it is in answer to Ducasi - wrong.

    That is why children are removed from the parents. But the removal of children is equally successful at punishing the parents. And it is a factor that a court will take into account when considering punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Why must people be punished with the greatest imaginable pain and suffering? What's the point? What purpose does it serve other than blood lust?
    I agree, how about a bullet to the head then? No suffering, cheap for the state and rids us of the pond-life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Aimed at all the viciously self-righteous posts in this thread, btw.
    Right on target too! well done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    I'm sorry, but that's just cr@p.
    I'm heartily fed up of all this 'special pleading' that goes on.
    It's equally possible that people without children are able to assess these matters better than you precisely because you have children.
    Objectivity, you know. Dispassionate.
    No kids eh Barry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Thank you for some good common sense. The society we live in is savage enough without visiting more savagery on people we disagree with but don't understand.
    What's to understand? These people bullied and pressured their children to hurt each other for their pleasure. Pond-life. Teach them a lesson and let it be a warning to anyone else who has similar ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Right, and also - given it is in answer to Ducasi - wrong.

    That is why children are removed from the parents. But the removal of children is equally successful at punishing the parents. And it is a factor that a court will take into account when considering punishment.
    Well then, if you'll pardon the over-used quote, the law is a ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    Well then, if you'll pardon the over-used quote, the law is a ass.
    Can you explain why you believe a court should not take such matters into consideration? Why are you so dead keen on adding to the total of human misery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    I agree, how about a bullet to the head then? No suffering, cheap for the state and rids us of the pond-life.
    Bullets in the head: can you tell us whereabouts you place the dividing line between crimes that should attract the death penalty and those which should not?
    No kids eh Barry?
    Read what I wrote c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y and then tell me what the relevance is of whether I have kids.
    What's to understand? These people bullied and pressured their children to hurt each other for their pleasure. Pond-life. Teach them a lesson and let it be a warning to anyone else who has similar ideas.
    How would you know whether there is anything to understand? As far as understanding is concerned you seem to be wondering about staring at the crowd, let alone 'not left the starting blocks'.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Read what I wrote c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y and then tell me what the relevance is of whether I have kids.
    Note the smiley, it was meant to be a tongue in cheek suggestion that you would only make such an argument if you don't have kids. That is what smileys are for right? To make attempts at sarcasm, humour, cheekiness etc more obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Can you explain why you believe a court should not take such matters into consideration? Why are you so dead keen on adding to the total of human misery?

    Bullets in the head: can you tell us whereabouts you place the dividing line between crimes that should attract the death penalty and those which should not?

    How would you know whether there is anything to understand? As far as understanding is concerned you seem to be wondering about staring at the crowd, let alone 'not left the starting blocks'.
    These people were caught abusing children for their own entertainment and given the fact that they recorded it, it was either for their own continuing entertainment or to show to others as well.

    Their children were taken away for the safety of the children. If that causes some upset for them, why should I or anyone else give a flying fcuk? The children were taken for their own safety, because of the parents actions. It was all as a result of putting their children in danger. Oh they feel sad now, well tough sh1t.

    The effects of these truly awful people may last for the rest of their children's lives. Why should the parent's punishments be any less?

    Understanding my 4rse, give me one good reason why these people deserve any understanding? Can you really come up with a good reason for a group of people to physically and emotionally abuse their children?

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post



    Understanding my 4rse, give me one good reason why these people deserve any understanding? Can you really come up with a good reason for a group of people to physically and emotionally abuse their children?


    When the 3yr old says 'where is my mummy' as they will, what do you say to them ?

    Im not sugessting they should be 'handed back' , most people want the low life killed so do you tell the child say at 5 , we killed your low life mum ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hudson View Post
    Spot on... totally agree.. they have no right to have children
    Entering the debate late but since when was having children a 'right'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    I think they should have been put into an arena pit with an assortment of lethal edged blades, maces, clubs, flails etc and told that only one gets out alive and if one doesn't do the other one in then within 15 mins then the pit fills in with boiling hot tar.

    Then film THAT and put it on Channel 4... would should be a lot more interesting than say.. Big Brother !

    A cross between Pon farr and Running man !!
    Can I just say that the above post was a JOKE. I do not actually think taking someone's life is a valid punishment.. for ANYTHING. Forget the whole biblical eye for an eye , tooth for a tooth stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    Actually , yes, they should have been given a custodial sentence IMHO
    I DO ,however, stand by my convictions and think they should have got SOME FORM of custodial sentence. I'm not saying life imprisonment or anything but community service isn't much of a punishment in my book.

    Lock them up for a few months, put them on a program of re-education, etc. What they did was stupid and irresponsible but there are worse crimes out there.

    at the risk of being too open here... I myself, as a pre school child was molested once by an older distant relative , unlike most children he interfered with, I told my parents and he was dealt with by the police. (Can I just add he just exposed himself to me.. that's all) In later years he committed suicide by hanging himself. Honestly hand on heart I cannot say I was sorry to hear of his departure, but if someone had asked me Now OR Then if I WANTED him to hang My answer would have been a resounding NO

    He was a sick sick man, but he was dealt with in the correct way. In the end he couldn't live with the guilt and took the cowards way out.

    Yes to custodial sentences no to Sharia Law.

    Point made.
    Last edited by Beowulf; 27th-April-2007 at 04:42 PM. Reason: added clarification..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Actually...i wont say what I was going to say, cos I know you would just love to see me get a ban, so I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
    I have no great desire to see anyone get a ban, least of all you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Entering the debate late but since when was having children a 'right'?
    Since there have been many loving couples who would never dream of doing this to children, but unfortunately thru some cruel twist of nature cannot have children.
    Then you get idiots like this who treat their kids worse than you would treat an animal!!

    So is it a right to have a child? For those of us who have them they are a gift, a blessing and one that should be cherished. And beware those who try and do them harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    Understanding my 4rse, give me one good reason why these people deserve any understanding? Can you really come up with a good reason for a group of people to physically and emotionally abuse their children?
    Everybody deserves understanding. Then you can condemn them. Otherwise it's just inhumanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    I DO ,however, stand by my convictions and think they should have got SOME FORM of custodial sentence. I'm not saying life imprisonment or anything but community service isn't much of a punishment in my book.
    Punishment is not the only objective of criminal sentencing, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Punishment is not the only objective of criminal sentencing, is it?
    No , not the only objective but it is a major part of the criminal process. You do something wrong, you get punished and hopefully a re-education.

    Granted the people in question probably wont have the opportunity to repeat their actions as the kids have been taken off them but often a custodial sentence keeps people out of environments and situations where they are likely to re-offend.

    If you rob someone of their possessions, their dignity or their life then I feel that you should rob them of some of their freedoms (this is IMHO.. I'm not in law.. and I don't get paid to argue the subject for and against)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    No , not the only objective but it is a major part of the criminal process. You do something wrong, you get punished and hopefully a re-education.
    Only "hopefully"? In my ideal world, education and socialisation would be the prime purpose of a custodial sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    Granted the people in question probably wont have the opportunity to repeat their actions as the kids have been taken off them but often a custodial sentence keeps people out of environments and situations where they are likely to re-offend.
    In that case we shouldn't ever allow folks out of jail if it's all about prevention of crime, keeping people from temptation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    If you rob someone of their possessions, their dignity or their life then I feel that you should rob them of some of their freedoms (this is IMHO.. I'm not in law.. and I don't get paid to argue the subject for and against)
    Is the loss of their freedom to raise their children and to spend the 100 hours they will be doing community service for how they like not enough?
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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Entering the debate late but since when was having children a 'right'?
    That's a question for another thread I think....

    IMO it's not a right....maybe the intention was to say that they didn't 'deserve' the honour of raising a new generation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    Entering the debate late but since when was having children a 'right'?
    I thought there was something to that effect in the Human Rights legislation a few years ago?
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