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    Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    I was listening to Jeremy Vine on radio 2 today and they had a discussion about those mothers who made their 2 year old son and 3 year old daughter fight with each other.

    They filmed it (well you would, wouldn't you) and when the father of the one of the the kids saw it, he was so upset, that he took the footage straight to social services. The children did not want to fight & when the little boy backed down he was abused, called a faggot among other things and given a magazine and encouraged to hit the little girl with the hard edge of the mag.

    Anyway, the outcome of it all is that the women were given 100 hours community service and the children have been taken away from them (not sure if they have gone in to care or if the father is looking after them)

    Apparently, these women were looking quite pleased with themselves when leaving court and said they thought they had done nothing wrong and that it was character building for the children......!

    Do you think they should have gone to prison?

    Personally I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime & they seem to think they have gotten away with it. Perhaps a more appropriate punishment would have been a prison sentance and some kind of parenting course for them to attend while inside.

    What do you think?

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Do you think they should have gone to prison?
    Heck no!! (see below!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    What do you think?
    I think they should have been put into an arena pit with an assortment of lethal edged blades, maces, clubs, flails etc and told that only one gets out alive and if one doesn't do the other one in then within 15 mins then the pit fills in with boiling hot tar.

    Then film THAT and put it on Channel 4... would should be a lot more interesting than say.. Big Brother !

    A cross between Pon farr and Running man !!

    Actually , yes, they should have been given a custodial sentence IMHO

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Do you think they should have gone to prison?

    Personally I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime & they seem to think they have gotten away with it. Perhaps a more appropriate punishment would have been a prison sentance and some kind of parenting course for them to attend while inside.

    What do you think?
    First, I heard (on Radio 4) that they were contrite about what they had done, and were highly distressed - if a little baffled. They would have been enormously relieved about not being sent to prison, so it wouldn't be surprising if they were smiling when they left the court. It's not fair to assume from that that they are feeling triumphal about the whole episode.

    Clearly, these are stupid people rather than bad people. My view is that sending stupid people to prison is generally unhelpful and expensive. Better to structure the community service that they have to do so as to give them the opportunity to learn and improve.

    Any prison sentence would have had to be short (because of the rules) and would have had virtually no effect on them other than making them miserable for a short period of time. Rehabilitation programmes aren't generally available for the short-stays, for obvious reasons. Virtually the only merit of such a sentence will be so that people's lust for punishment will be assuaged. 6 months later when the convicts are released, those same people won't be thinking about them at all, but somebody will have to deal with them.

    The children are with the father's family.

    100 hours of community service is 2 hours a week - not a negligible impact on your life.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    Actually , yes, they should have been given a custodial sentence IMHO

    Do you think putting them in prison would make them realise they were wrong or do you think it would just have a negative effect on them?

    These women are clearly stupid and apparently, the grandmother used to do the same with them when they were kids. I hate to say this but is it really all their fault that they are such ignorant abusers? Surely they are just a product of their own ignorant parents?

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Isn't taking the children away from them punishment enough without locking them up?
    Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    My view is that sending stupid people to prison is generally unhelpful and expensive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Do you think putting them in prison would make them realise they were wrong or do you think it would just have a negative effect on them
    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Isn't taking the children away from them punishment enough without locking them up?
    Hmm. I was obviously one of these Wild west "hangin' judges" in a previous life. Just as well I'm in Software engineering and not in law.. or worse, in government setting laws !!

    "off with his head!!"
    "But I only pointed out the inconsistencies in one of my friends forum posts"
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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    Hmm. I was obviously one of these Wild west "hangin' judges" in a previous life. Just as well I'm in Software engineering and not in law.. or worse, in government setting laws !!

    "off with his head!!"
    "But I only pointed out the inconsistencies in one of my friends forum posts"
    "ah.. well in that case, Boil him in oil THEN off with his head!!"
    hung drawn and quartered!!!

    Take the children away.... place the mothers in a programme and then make them duke it out.

    They shouldn't have the right to call themselves mother's! I know... very strong opinion but I have two little ones and I think those women's behaviour was disgusting!

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1970 View Post
    Heck no!! (see below!)



    I think they should have been put into an arena pit with an assortment of lethal edged blades, maces, clubs, flails etc and told that only one gets out alive and if one doesn't do the other one in then within 15 mins then the pit fills in with boiling hot tar.

    Then film THAT and put it on Channel 4... would should be a lot more interesting than say.. Big Brother !

    A cross between Pon farr and Running man !!

    Actually , yes, they should have been given a custodial sentence IMHO



    I (with a pasion) hate anyone who can think of hurting any child.
    To want to put a child in any form of distress or hurt is vile.
    I can (hand on heart) say - if i saw it i would defend the child (whatever it took). If i heard of it going on, i would call the police. I would go as far as - if my own child was to hurt her child in years to come, i would call the police.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Put them in prison and introduce compulsory sterilisation for anyone guilty of abusing children.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    Put them in prison and introduce compulsory sterilisation for anyone guilty of abusing children.
    Bleeding heart liberal!!! Moderate!!!!!

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    ... Virtually the only merit of such a sentence will be so that people's lust for punishment will be assuaged..
    Perhaps other than encouraging others not to do likewise.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Perhaps other than encouraging others not to do likewise.
    I think the deterrent effect of punishment is very overrated. In his "Law west of Ealing" blog, the anonymous magistrate points out that the deterrent effect is most obvious among those very people where it isn't needed, and vice versa.

    But to some extent, you may be right.

    Um...how many other people do you think there are who set their toddlers to beat each other up?

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    I think the deterrent effect of punishment is very overrated. In his "Law west of Ealing" blog, the anonymous magistrate points out that the deterrent effect is most obvious among those very people where it isn't needed, and vice versa.

    ...

    Um...how many other people do you think there are who set their toddlers to beat each other up?
    I would have hoped people might generalise a little, but fair enough your point may be that they won't.

    The blog sounds interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Isn't taking the children away from them punishment enough without locking them up?
    I think so and what they did is hardly knew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    Put them in prison and introduce compulsory sterilisation for anyone guilty of abusing children.
    Spot on... totally agree.. they have no right to have children

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Isn't taking the children away from them punishment enough without locking them up?
    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38 View Post
    I think so and what they did is hardly knew
    I'd just like to point out, that neither ducasi or stewart38 have children.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    and these people clearly don't give a flying fcuk about their children. How would taking them away be a punishment?
    Prison, hard labour and sterilisation, it's the only way.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    I actually think prison is an easy option. You do realise that some prisoners get treated better than most poor buggers out in the real world. I think enforced sterilisation and torture would be the only acceptable punishment.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    You do realise that some prisoners get treated better than most poor buggers out in the real world.
    How the hell do you know?

    I know you like readybrek, but I haven't seen you do any porriage recently.

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    Re: Prison for the numpty mothers - yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    I'd just like to point out, that neither ducasi or stewart38 have children.
    Encouraging kids to fight by their parents on council estates is hardly 'knew' or anywhere

    Admittedly there usually 5 +. It was video thats the difference

    I have 4 children

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