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    Ok, reference recent discussions about why the media referred to 'prostitutes' in Ipswich.

    Lucie Blackman was raped and murdered in Japan and the man accused was acquitted yesterday of all charges relating to her, but convicted in several other rape murders in the same proceedings.

    (BTW, wonder what the jury were on. They were obviously satisfied that he was a rapist/murderer: the jury saw videos in which he boasted of his crimes, by his own account he was the last person to see her alive when he took her to his flat for 'drinks', her dismembered body was found hidden in a cave only yards from his flat, but they didn't think that it was beyond doubt? Must have been some other rapist/murderer, operating in the same area on the very night she happened to be in the neighbourhood! And who hasn't struck since the arrest...)

    Anyway, the question is: why is she referred to as "a former flight attendant" and not "a bar girl"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    (BTW, wonder what the jury were on. They were obviously satisfied that he was a rapist/murderer: the jury saw videos in which he boasted of his crimes, by his own account he was the last person to see her alive when he took her to his flat for 'drinks', her dismembered body was found hidden in a cave only yards from his flat, but they didn't think that it was beyond doubt? Must have been some other rapist/murderer, operating in the same area on the very night she happened to be in the neighbourhood! And who hasn't struck since the arrest...)
    Doesn't "beyond doubt" mean that there is no other reasonable explanation? Such as "some other rapist/murderer, operating in the same area on the very night she happened to be in the neighbourhood"?

    Are you suggesting that rapists and murderers operate some kind of network where they have territories etc so they couldn't possibly be raping and murdering in the same areas as each other?

    Yes, I know it's not the question you were asking, but

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Anyway, the question is: why is she referred to as "a former flight attendant" and not "a bar girl"?
    It seems strange to use her former profession, when the fact that she was a hostess at the time seems far more relevent to the situation that is being reported.

    Whilst we need to respect the court's decision, especially as we aren't in full possession of all the facts of the trial. But it does seem pretty rough on the family that whilst this guy has been locked up; to them I am sure they feel that justice hasn't been done. Getting closure on something as traumatic as this must be hard without the nagging thought that the perpetrator is potentially still at large.

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    If it was a member of my family, I'd rather the jury were sure that they had the right person, rather than just assuming it must be him and risking that the real murderer was still free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post

    Anyway, the question is: why is she referred to as "a former flight attendant" and not "a bar girl"?
    Because the press were trying to put her in a positive light probably and they see that job as the highlight of her career . Just like they do when reporting on people who are unemployed - if they like them they are "unemployed plumber" , "unemployed -insert job here-" Ive even seen "unemployed office worker" - if they don't like them it'll be plain "unemployed" or "benefit seeker" .

    Newspapers are funny

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    Re: Media labels

    I thought this thread was about sticky labels you put on blank CDs

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    Re: Media labels

    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTomato View Post
    I thought this thread was about sticky labels you put on blank CDs
    thats just stupid



    ...umm, ok that thought did cross my mind too, but I figured a Barry thread wouldnt be about blank CDs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    If it was a member of my family, I'd rather the jury were sure that they had the right person, rather than just assuming it must be him and risking that the real murderer was still free.
    The question is one of reasonable doubt.

    Ludovic Kennedy agitated for and eventually got a pardon for Timothy Evans, who had been convicted of and hanged for the murder of his wife and baby. At the time, they lived at 10 Rillington Place, and their landlord was John Reginald Halliday Christie, probably England's most notorious serial killer of the 20th century until Peter Sutcliffe happened along.

    Christie had murdered and sexually assaulted women, keeping their bodies and body parts secreted around his home. He eventually sold it and the new owners made some grisly discoveries. Some of the deaths were determined to have occurred before Mrs Evans' murder, and some after.

    Amongst other things, Kennedy asked people to consider the likelihood that two people were killing women in identical ways and doing identical things with their corpses, in the same house at the same time.

    In the same way, our Japanese perpetrator is a killer and rapist of young women, Lucie Blackman's last hours on earth were spent in his company at his flat, she was reported missing the following day (or at least subsequently police learned that no-one saw her after that night) her body was found yards away, having been treated in the same way as his other victims. Quack! It's a duck! When measured against the likelihood that she went home with a rapist murderer, lived to tell the tale but then bumped into another rapist murderer with the same MO before she got home - in the words of the immortal Lewis Black "is anybody, ***king home?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    The question is one of reasonable doubt.
    What a difference a single word can make, eh?

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