New Ceroc Aerial Rules?

[StokeBloke]

I have been forced to dance elsewhere so that I can continue to use airsteps. He can not however say I have been forced to dance else where because of a ban on airsteps.

OK - I guess you may be laughing up your sleeve at me because I am new enough to still be passionate about dancing Trousers. You may well find my stance laughable (how very rude and uncouth to say so in such a blunt way). But the fact is when I dance with Twirlie Bird we dance for us, for our own pleasure, the connection we get on the floor makes us feel closer as a couple off of the floor. Whilst any air step needs more focus, you need huge trust, timing, skill and connection to do some of the bigger lifts properly. When we dance together it is an expression of love, trust, respect, joy and a million other things we feel personally as a couple.

It's odd because I don't see aerials like a different part of dancing, just like I don't see left hand moves as a separate category. It is all just part of my dancing, which may explain why I am so dead set against banning these moves. When I am dancing with Twirlie Bird the urge to lift her from the ground to match the musicality of the music is huge sometimes. Having to repress that effects the way we dance together in proper free-freestyles.

At the weekend in Nottingham Twirlie Bird said to me at the end of the night how wonderful it was to be able to just dance together without feeling like we needed to hold ourselves back. She was right - the freedom to dance as we love made the event feel so wonderful.

Maybe 'forced' wasn't the exact and precise word you would have used Trousers, but it conveyed the exact sense of our feelings. I am really sorry that your own experience of dance is such that you didn't understand that comment

[Trousers]

. I am really sorry that your own experience of dance is such that you didn't understand that comment

Where exactly does 'my experience of dance' come into please?

I ask this before I let my sensitive nature believe that the above is a veiled (thinly veiled mind) dig.

[bigdjiver]

Ah the comment that Stokie made was that he was Forced to DANCE else where -... ^ pendantic i will admit to, possibly.^

I can be pedantic too. A constraint is not a force, but to move a constraint can imply moving those things constrained, and this implies the use of force.

...but Dancing does not require the use of Airsteps ...

Franck tried this one, too.

Dancing does not require the use of triple steps either, but tell that to the Swing dancers.

Also dancing does not require partners, or music, or companions or ....

What dancing does require is feeling, and some tracks and some ladies make me feel like lifting them up and whirling them around, and some of those ladies come back for more.

[TheTramp]

But the fact is when I dance with Twirlie Bird we dance for us, for our own pleasure, the connection we get on the floor makes us feel closer as a couple off of the floor. Whilst any air step needs more focus, you need huge trust, timing, skill and connection to do some of the bigger lifts properly. When we dance together it is an expression of love, trust, respect, joy and a million other things we feel personally as a couple.

I read this, and was feeling so relieved that nature has worked out so wonderfully for you. You, being such a big and strong bloke, and TB being such a small and light lady.

It would have been a tragedy if your body shapes had been reversed, and you were unable to do aerials. All of that lost opportunity for love, trust, respect and joy, not to mention the other million things, lost to you forever.

Unless of course, she was to start picking you up instead.

Nature is just such a wonderful thing!

[TheTramp]

What dancing does require is feeling, and some tracks and some ladies make me feel like lifting them up and whirling them around, and some of those ladies come back for more.

It's a good job that you're a big strong bloke too. If you'd been built like Trousers, you'd have lost out on all that feeling!

Nature. God bless her!

[Trousers]

It's a good job that you're a big strong bloke too. If you'd been built like Trousers, you'd have lost out on all that feeling!

Nature. God bless her!

Oi I resemble that comment!

[Gadget]

What dancing does require is feeling, and some tracks and some ladies make me feel like lifting them up and whirling them around, and some of those ladies come back for more.

... just a random thought... what did the music make you feel like doing before you learned to whurl the ladies off the floor? I mean, some music may make you feel like doing... unmentionable things: would you do them on the busy dance floor? Isn't that a restriction on your freedom as a dancer? Why is this any different?

[bigdjiver]

... just a random thought... what did the music make you feel like doing before you learned to whurl the ladies off the floor? ...

When the world was black and white I was exposed to Fred & Ginger and the 6 5 special on TV, with its lithe young jivers doing mentionable things.

.. I mean, some music may make you feel like doing... unmentionable things: would you do them on the busy dance floor? ...

No, they would interfere with my dancing. (Sadly these days I see a beautiful woman and find myself thinking "I'd like to dance with her ...")

... Isn't that a restriction on your freedom as a dancer? Why is this any different?

Way back, hen I used to start to experience the desire to do unmentionables whilst dancing I found that it did severely restrict my freedom as a dancer.

I have been trying to shift the Ceroc position of a narrow ban onto a more general position where it is up to the venue manager to take action if people dance inappropriately.

Rigid rules are too restrictive. It would be quite easy to ban floor-sweeps from the "social dance floor" at a busy venue, or a dancer taking a chair onto the centre of the dance floor whilst people are trying to dance. I have seen both these things recently. Neither endangered anybody else, and both seemed to delight all of those watching. Both involved performance.

I remember way back starting a thread about whether the dance-floor was more a canvas on which dancers could "paint" their art, or a stage on which we could act and perform, or a playground, or a meeting place. I believe that it should be all of those, and that for me is the soul of Modern Jive.

[Mac]

... just a random thought... what did the music make you feel like doing before you learned to whurl the ladies off the floor? I mean, some music may make you feel like doing... unmentionable things: would you do them on the busy dance floor? Isn't that a restriction on your freedom as a dancer? Why is this any different?

Ahem ...........to some people it isnt any different and they get as close to the unmentionable things as they possibly can!
( I love those ladies!)

[Mac]

DISCLAIMER

Ok I am not looking to spark a huge debate here.

Oi you really started something now missus!!!!

[Steven666]

I think it is the venue rather than a national thing. Ariels are banned at Nantwich but at Hyde you see them aplenty.

Maybe it's an insurance thing or something.

[David Franklin]

I think it is the venue rather than a national thing. Ariels are banned at Nantich but at Hyde you see them aplenty.

Maybe it's an insurance thing or something.

Yes, it's an insurance thing. My understanding is the normal Ceroc insurance (public liability cover) won't cover for injuries from aerials. (It might even be that a condition of insurance is that no aerials are performed at the venues).

I suspect the Hyde franchise owner would be in considerable trouble if someone got seriously injured doing an aerial and sued.

[Steven666]

Yes, it's an insurance thing. My understanding is the normal Ceroc insurance (public liability cover) won't cover for injuries from aerials. (It might even be that a condition of insurance is that no aerials are performed at the venues).

I suspect the Hyde franchise owner would be in considerable trouble if someone got seriously injured doing an aerial and sued.

Or maybe pays higher premiums to cover such events.

Surely ariels can be insured against (at cost)?

[David Franklin]

Or maybe pays higher premiums to cover such events.

I think Ceroc negotiates the premiums centrally. So a local franchise would have to get insured outside of the normal mechanisms, which would probably cost a lot more even without any extra "aerial premium".

Surely ariels can be insured against (at cost)?

You can insure against anything, but generally the more specialist the area, the harder it is to find something that isn't prohibitively expensive.