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    The role of modern judges

    It's a bit dull in here today so for those of you with a few minutes, here's a speech by the Lord Chief Justice in which he does something to explain why the pathetic bleatings of Charles Clarke and the sensationalism of the press present an unfair picture of how judges are doing.

    It's worth reading, honestly.

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    Re: The role of modern judges

    There's a scary 'statistic' I haven't heard before: "Nearly half the workforce of the country is employed in regulating how we all behave".

    Nanny state? Police state? Is this a recent development? A telling indictment of modern society that we all have to be told what's the right thing to do? or job creation for a nation of little Napoleons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by strobie View Post
    There's a scary 'statistic' I haven't heard before: "Nearly half the workforce of the country is employed in regulating how we all behave".
    I can't imagine where he gets the "nearly half" figure from. The percentage of the UK workforce in the public sector is around 20%. Most of them are not regulating anything. So who in the private sector is regulating us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    I can't imagine where he gets the "nearly half" figure from.
    Me neither, but I'd be glad to be enlightened!

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    So who in the private sector is regulating us?
    Well, off the top of my head: store detectives, ticket inspectors, compliance officers (don't get me started ), security guards, bouncers, ... On a different tack, possibly therapists, counsellors, life-style consultants, ... At a stretch, managers (line and project), HR departments, ...

    Seriously though, I did a quick google and couldn't find a similar reference so if anyone does have an idea where the "nearly half" came from I'd love to know!

    Oh, and there's QuANGOs like the FSA too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    It's a bit dull in here today . . . honestly.
    Today

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    Yesterday


    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . last week



    what ever happened to interesting thread with diverse opinions
    oh yeah they got split into their own threads and the points all got diluted




    hmmmmm (watch this space. . . . )



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    Quote Originally Posted by strobie View Post
    Well, off the top of my head: store detectives, ticket inspectors, compliance officers (don't get me started ), security guards, bouncers, ... On a different tack, possibly therapists, counsellors, life-style consultants, ... At a stretch, managers (line and project), HR departments, ...

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    Oh, and there's QuANGOs like the FSA too
    But in the context he put it in...
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Chief Justice
    Nearly half the workforce of the country is employed in regulating how we all behave. In doing this, officials exercise powers conferred by Parliament or the prerogative power of the Crown.
    ... these regulators are using some sort of executive power.

    Most of your examples don't fit with this – it's not the government who decides whether you're getting into the night club or not...

    Quangos are, I believe, public sector, and are included in the 20%.

    (Edit: I'd be willing to believe that "nearly half" of all public sector workers are involved in "regulating how we behave", but that's not what he said...)
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    Re: The role of modern judges

    Quote Originally Posted by strobie View Post
    Well, off the top of my head: store detectives, ticket inspectors, compliance officers (don't get me started ), security guards, bouncers, ... On a different tack, possibly therapists, counsellors, life-style consultants, ... At a stretch, managers (line and project), HR departments, ...
    Yeah, but that's not "regulating", that's just "dealing with people" - but then, it doesn't sound so impressive if you say "nearly half of the population is engaged in dealing with people"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    It's a bit dull in here today so for those of you with a few minutes, here's a speech by the Lord Chief Justice in which he does something to explain why the pathetic bleatings of Charles Clarke and the sensationalism of the press present an unfair picture of how judges are doing.

    It's worth reading, honestly.
    Definitely worth reading. At last an informed and reasoned voice, pointing out in words of (as near as possible) one syllable, the role of judges in society - ie to APPLY THE LAW, as set out by the legislature and the courts whose decisions constitute binding authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    So who in the private sector is regulating us?
    Group 4, for a start off.

    I must admit though, 50% does seem a little excessive.

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    Re: The role of modern judges

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    But in the context he put it in...
    ... these regulators are using some sort of executive power.

    Most of your examples don't fit with this – it's not the government who decides whether you're getting into the night club or not...
    Quite right. I think he probably missed a point about what portion of the 'half' is actually enforcing laws and regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purpleheather View Post
    Definitely worth reading. At last an informed and reasoned voice, pointing out in words of (as near as possible) one syllable, the role of judges in society - ie to APPLY THE LAW, as set out by the legislature and the courts whose decisions constitute binding authority.
    At last - somebody who picked up what I picked up, which is how when judges are able to fight their corner (i.e. outside court rooms) they can do so eloquently and highly effectively. Although there are a lot of 'lawyers' in power at the moment, I wouldn't back any of them in a straight verbal fight against a High Court judge or above...

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