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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I think Harry going to Iraq is sheer madness....

    Lets face it, I'm not the biggest royal fan but, I do realise that he simply isn't 'just' one of the lads.

    I think he'll have a price on his head, larger than any other 'lad' out there and this will endanger everyone else's lives around him too.

    The added security must cost a fortune.

    And then, what happens if he does get killed in action?

    Yes, I know he probably wants to prove a point but at what cost?

    The cost will be the same for Harrys family as it is for all the other poor buggers killed in action (generally by the bloody Americans) whilst they are out there. I think it should be compulsory that all the royal family go out there and then when somebody who the country sees as important is killed perhaps we as a country can get the flock out of there alongside the Americans and leave them to it.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

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    The cost will be the same for Harrys family as it is for all the other poor buggers killed in action
    Yes, I entirely agree with that and being somewhat of an 'anti royal', I don't like the idea of him having any 'special' treatment either.

    But my point was, I believe he'll be seen as a target and his presence will endanger all the other 'poor buggers' who have to go out there to serve with him (and protect him)!
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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I think he'll have a price on his head, larger than any other 'lad' out there and this will endanger everyone else's lives around him too.
    Didn't stop Andrew - presumably the Argentinians also didn't like us much - or, for that matter, all the other "spare" royals who've served in the armed forces throughout history.

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    And then, what happens if he does get killed in action?
    Then he'll be the 102nd soldier killed in a pointless war.

    As to whether he'll be a target - who knows? But extend that argument, and it's kind of pointless for him to be in the Army in the first place. Being a soldier in the UK means you volunteer for a profession in which people, well, shoot at you occasionally.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Yes, I entirely agree with that and being somewhat of an 'anti royal', I don't like the idea of him having any 'special' treatment either.

    But my point was, I believe he'll be seen as a target and his presence will endanger all the other 'poor buggers' who have to go out there to serve with him (and protect him)!

    Well if they dye his hair it might help disguise the fact that he is there. Then again, he is not a true royal anyway, everyone knows he is nothing to do with Charles.


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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    FWIW, unlike the Americans, the British Army have a policy that while on "active" duty, officers remove or hide their rank badges and are NOT saluted or otherwise openly acknowledged by others.
    I would hope that this would extend to NOT surrounding royals with a gaggle of bodyguards, thereby drawing attention to him.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    FWIW, unlike the Americans, the British Army have a policy that while on "active" duty, officers remove or hide their rank badges and are NOT saluted or otherwise openly acknowledged by others.
    I would hope that this would extend to NOT surrounding royals with a gaggle of bodyguards, thereby drawing attention to him.
    Irrelevant really, they are not going to put him on the front line. The news pictures will show him in all his glory but he will generally be behind a desk somewhere, suffering a hangover and probably smoking a joint.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Then he'll be the 102nd soldier killed in a pointless war.
    Yes, I can see the headlines now...102nd soldier killed in a pointless war. and the day after, its 5th page news and 2 weeks after that, its just another satistic, hmmm?
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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Yes, I can see the headlines now...102nd soldier killed in a pointless war. and the day after, its 5th page news and 2 weeks after that, its just another satistic, hmmm?
    Well, yeah, but it's not his fault, or even the Army's fault, that we live in a celeb-obsessed culture. He and they have a job to do - if he can never be put in any harm's way at all, what's he doing in the flippin' Army in the first place?

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    Irrelevant really, they are not going to put him on the front line. The news pictures will show him in all his glory but he will generally be behind a desk somewhere, suffering a hangover and probably smoking a joint.
    Why? Andrew was flying a Helicopter from a Navy ship in the Falklands. His ship could've been sunk or his helicopter shot out of the sky from several miles away.
    As long as he's in the region he's in danger.
    The fact is that royals serving in the armed forces don't want to be seen as being treated any differently from any other officers. Otherwise they might as well just become scout leaders.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    Why? Andrew was flying a Helicopter from a Navy ship in the Falklands. His ship could've been sunk or his helicopter shot out of the sky from several miles away.
    As long as he's in the region he's in danger.
    The fact is that royals serving in the armed forces don't want to be seen as being treated any differently from any other officers. Otherwise they might as well just become scout leaders.
    You have seen him personally flying his helicopter have you. You have seen news footage. How true is this likely to be. We would all like to think that Andrew has done his bit for his country but how do we know its true. Look at the landing on the moon theory. We all know thats a load of nonsense.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    Look at the landing on the moon theory. We all know thats a load of nonsense.

    That's off topic...!

    But all total pants, so the Americans could 'claim' they were the first up there and beat the russians, when we all know that man has not been anywhere near the moon.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    That's off topic...!

    But all total pants, so the Americans could 'claim' they were the first up there and beat the russians, when we all know that man has not been anywhere near the moon.
    well getting back on topic. Role model and Harry do not go hand in hand do they.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    You have seen him personally flying his helicopter have you. You have seen news footage. How true is this likely to be. We would all like to think that Andrew has done his bit for his country but how do we know its true. Look at the landing on the moon theory. We all know thats a load of nonsense.
    No, but have you seen him hiding behind the lines? Besides, there was nowhere near the same level of news coverage for the Falklands like there is for Iraq.

    I doubt that Harry will be molly-coddled in any way. OK, he's a royal. He's also in the Army and commands three Scimitar recon-tanks. They're not going to have him do build-up training prior to deployment just to sit in a bunker - there are specific Army corps for that sort of work anyway.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I think Harry going to Iraq is sheer madness....

    Lets face it, I'm not the biggest royal fan but, I do realise that he simply isn't 'just' one of the lads.

    I think he'll have a price on his head, larger than any other 'lad' out there and this will endanger everyone else's lives around him too.

    The added security must cost a fortune.

    And then, what happens if he does get killed in action?

    Yes, I know he probably wants to prove a point but at what cost?
    I concur. Personally, I have little patience when it comes to the Royal Family and feel that they are an expensive liability to an already overstretched public purse. The idea of a SAS special unit to 'shadow' his presence is ridiculous, especially on the frontline. I'm sure their resources would be better placed elsewhere.

    And the cost that you speak of will probably be bourne by the taxpayer.

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Seahorse View Post
    I concur. Personally, I have little patience when it comes to the Royal Family and feel that they are an expensive liability to an already overstretched public purse. The idea of a SAS special unit to 'shadow' his presence is ridiculous, especially on the frontline. I'm sure their resources would be better placed elsewhere.

    And the cost that you speak of will probably be bourne by the taxpayer.
    In that case, the time to complain about it would have been when he joined the army, not now he's - shock horror - being assigned to to the job he's been trained for.

    And what makes you think he's not having expensive protection now? There are probably more people in the UK who dislike the Royal Family than there are in Iraq. Like me, for a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    In that case, the time to complain about it would have been when he joined the army, not now he's - shock horror - being assigned to to the job he's been trained for.

    And what makes you think he's not having expensive protection now? There are probably more people in the UK who dislike the Royal Family than there are in Iraq. Like me, for a start.
    Was that the sound of MI6 coming down DJ's road?

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    Was that the sound of MI6 coming down DJ's road?
    Maybe I'm an agent provocateur...

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    In that case, the time to complain about it would have been when he joined the army, not now he's - shock horror - being assigned to to the job he's been trained for.
    We both know he is following the family tradition 'parrot fashion'. And I'm quite confident that should he have wished, then the Chiefs of Staff could have found him something safer away from the frontline.

    And what makes you think he's not having expensive protection now?
    Don't dispute that. I'd imagine that he's none too popular with his special branch officers, hence my reference to 'an expensive liability'.
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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    Quote Originally Posted by Seahorse View Post
    We both know he is following the family tradition 'parrot fashion'. And I'm quite confident that should he have wished, then the Chiefs of Staff could have found him something safer away from the frontline.
    So we're blaming him for wanting to actually get involved in hazardous-duty assignments, or for following family traditions, now?

    Which of those is the heinous crime, exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seahorse View Post
    Don't dispute that. I'd imagine that he's none too popular with his special branch officers, hence my reference to 'an expensive liability'.
    Different discussion.

    If you're asking "Should we ditch all royals except maybe a head of state", then I'd definitely say "yes" - but that's not relevant to this thread. If you want to start an anti-royalty thread, be my guest, I'll happily rant with you on that one.

    But I'm not exactly sure what you're blaming Harry for...

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    Re: Harry: role model for the 21st century

    As to the question of whether Harry is a "role model"... Yes, he's a very good role model for young royals around the world.

    But for those who weren't born into a royal family, how could he possibly be a role model for them?
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