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    Crime and Punishment

    Today, I heard whilst belting down the M40 on a wet Monday morning listening to the BBC World Service because the laggards at Radio4 weren't up yet, following a comment someone made about the Radio4 Message Boards that they were creating an On-Line community there.
    I thought "No-Poo, I've been in an On-Line community for 2 years big deal!" But then the woman made some comment about the way new rules of etiquette and punishments were having to be devised for these On-Line communities and I chuckled merrily to my self and thought "Yup!". Then she talked about moderation and how to keep the population on track with the subjects of their boards and smiled knowingly!

    But as I continued to sit there, hammer down, miles sleeting relentlessly through the speedo I considered the idea of the community and how we had shaped ours a little.

    ChitChat threads you know the ones, where you can safely turn your brain off and type gibberish because no one would notice, are suitable slotted away in their own zone for those to enter that must and those that enter un-wittingly should beware!

    Dance related stuff again is ferreted away and hopefully you get what it says on the tin when you answer.

    That's all well and good and not really community based stuff but then I remembered - We were a community with community interests and community care - The Big Forum Hospital screamed out "Look at me! Look at me!" What a fantastic idea an On-Line hospital for members of our community to go and receive advice and concern regarding their sicknesses and of course the On-Line equivalent of a bag of grapes.

    Sub cultures have formed as in the real world fortunately not hoody wearing Goth like ones but the WestCoasties, but it all adds to the mix.

    Then I thought about Crime and Punishment because the News came on and prison numbers were again at issue and I thought about those criminal types amongst us.
    I thought about the punishments currently imposed on us when we bend the rules we have or worse break them outright. First and minor offences get a slap meted out by Franck, We get penalty points and monitored as if on probation but we can still basically exist in our community as before (although behaving better). But then I thought what happens when we push the limit too far and I noted with concern that the equivalent real world punishment is akin to being sent to a French penal colony without access to our friends or previous On-Line lives and the only way to be released is to wait for a ship to come in with release papers.
    I thought this may in fact be a little authoritarian.

    What I deduced we need is a Big Forum Jail. I reckon it should be possible to create a thread where members of our community guilty of extreme behaviour will be sent for the duration of their punishment. Access to all other community areas would be withdrawn, Private message rights blocked etc.
    Then as in prison establishments residents may receive visitors, unlike real prisons however access would be without request although could be limited to certain hours in the day. Some form of community behaviour could then be maintained by the accused and possibly early release obtained for good behaviour or repentance. However virtual hacksaw blades in virtual cakes would not exist. We could have a banner on the Forum front page showing detainees currently residing at their leisure. Thus if one of our friends was interned over night we would know the next morning.

    The Big Forum Jail would not of course stop severe or repeat offenders being sent to our virtual Island of Guiana should behaviour not improve. Or possibly we could take a leaf out of our ancestors books and just transport them to the CerocAustralia Forum if such a world exists.

    The Human race has always had a perverse trait of watching gory incidents and people worse off than ourselves so visitor access to the Big Forum Jail would be limited to actual members not Forum Visitors. But I do think this idea has merit.

    What do you lot think?
    (did I really ask that?)
    Last edited by Trousers; 19th-February-2007 at 01:16 PM.

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    Re: Crime and Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Trousers View Post
    But then I thought what happens when we push the limit too far and I noted with concern that the equivalent real world punishment is akin to being sent to a French penal colony without access to our friends or previous On-Line lives and the only way to be released is to wait for a ship to come in with release papers.
    Actually, I believe there are a range of "punishments" available now, ranging from "quiet word in your shell-like" to "outright permanent ban" in level.

    There is already (I think) a "restricted access" version, which stops short of actual banning.

    The best analogy is driving - you get points for dangerous driving, and if you accumulate enough points, or do something totally dodgy, you get banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trousers View Post
    We could have a banner on the Forum front page showing detainees currently residing at their leisure. Thus if one of our friends was interned over night we would know the next morning.
    Maybe we could get them to wear penal uniforms at dance venues

    Despite what it appears, the actual number of infractions handed out is very low - in the past 6 months, we've had a couple of dozen warnings and 40-odd infractions (many of which were spammers being banned).

    Considering there were maybe 100,000 posts in that time, that's pretty low, most of us are fairly well-behaved. Or, we've been "cowed into submission", as I'm sure Andy McG would put it.

    So any changes would be a lot of work for a very small return - the "jail" would be empty 99% of the time.

    EDIT: I've moved this to the "suggestions" area, it seems more appropriate here.

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    Re: Crime and Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    The best analogy is driving - you get points for dangerous driving, and if you accumulate enough points, or do something totally dodgy, you get banned.
    At which point you'd hire Barry & claim exceptional hardship.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    So any changes would be a lot of work for a very small return - the "jail" would be empty 99% of the time.
    Does anyone else have visions of DT heading off again with a baseball as Cooler Queen?

    Just me then. I'll get my coat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Does anyone else have visions of DT heading off again with a baseball as Cooler Queen?

    Just me then. I'll get my coat...
    Better check DT isn't hiding in your taxi, trying to escape.

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    Re: Crime and Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    There is already (I think) a "restricted access" version, which stops short of actual banning.. . . . . .
    So any changes would be a lot of work for a very small return - the "jail" would be empty 99% of the time.
    .
    I see you have your Boring head on today Wurzel!

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    Maybe we could get them to wear penal uniforms at dance venues .
    Been there Done that

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames View Post
    EDIT: I've moved this to the "suggestions" area, it seems more appropriate here.
    Here we go again!
    Guess all that thought and time I spent considering where to place my new thread was wasted then. . .






    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Does anyone else have visions of DT heading off again with a baseball as Cooler Queen? .
    or possibly in the guise of Norman Stanley Fletcher, That would make David James Mr MacKay though

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Just me then. I'll get my coat...
    Get mine too willya!

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    Re: Crime and Punishment

    Just one thing ...



    giggle!

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    Re: Crime and Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Trousers View Post
    or possibly in the guise of Norman Stanley Fletcher, That would make David James Mr MacKay though


    Get mine too willya!
    Sorry folks. You will have to poke me with a bigger stick than that to get a reaction out of me.

    I'm a reformed, diplomatic little forumite now, don't you know.

    *DT buffs forum gun with knowing smile on face*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    Sorry folks. You will have to poke me with a bigger stick than that to get a reaction out of me.

    I'm a reformed, diplomatic little forumite now, don't you know.

    *DT buffs forum gun with knowing smile on face*
    DARLING YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW WHO MAKES THIS FORUM INTERESTING.

    You are the grisle in our expensive pie.

    You make the forum interesting and funny never bow down to the political correctness which seems rife in society as a whole

    LONG LIVE INDIVIDUALITY XXX XXX

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave the scaffolder View Post
    You are the grisle in our expensive pie.
    As chat up lines go this is definitely a new order.

    From this time on I propose we refer to DT as "Gristle" and long may we chew on her. . . erm company!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trousers View Post
    As chat up lines go this is definitely a new order.

    From this time on I propose we refer to DT as "Gristle" and long may we chew on her. . . erm company!

    You can refer to me as 'gristle' if you like....but you will be well on your way to a free coffin with snuffemquietly.com

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    Re: Swish 2008 - question

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    it has become smaller and less vocal.
    There's a reason for that.



    *DT slaps hand over mouth*


    Did I type that out loud?

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    Re: Swish 2008 - question

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    There's a reason for that.
    No there isn't, anti-Ceroc views have not been removed, and all recent policies have been discussed at length on this forum.

    You have received several infractions and as a result received a temporary ban for being personally abusive to forum members and to moderators. This has nothing to do with how tolerant this Forum is or not, just good manners.
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    Re: Swish 2008 - question

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    There's a reason for that.
    *DT slaps hand over mouth*
    Did I type that out loud?
    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    No there isn't, anti-Ceroc views have not been removed, and all recent policies have been discussed at length on this forum.

    You have received several infractions and as a result received a temporary ban for being personally abusive to forum members and to moderators. This has nothing to do with how tolerant this Forum is or not, just good manners.
    mmm, maybe some people are just too quick to have a go at members who speak up for themselves, even when they're clearly just joking?

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    Re: Swish 2008 - question

    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    mmm, maybe some people are just too quick to have a go at members who speak up for themselves, even when they're clearly just joking?

    mmm, maybe some members are just too quick to reach for the same tools (reporting posts, etc) that they criticise when used against them. If you're happy to give stick out to other people you should be able to take it too.

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    Re: Swish 2008 - question

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    This has nothing to do with how tolerant this Forum is or not, just good manners.
    I didn't say that. But if it makes you feel better franck...I agree with everything you say and I'm sorry for my terrible behaviour and I am deeply ashamed that I am top of the infraction points board (thanks for letting me know DJ).



    By the way. Can we make those french babies or what? I know you are just playing hard to get.

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    Re: Swish 2008 - question

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    mmm, maybe some members are just too quick to reach for the same tools (reporting posts, etc) that they criticise when used against them. If you're happy to give stick out to other people you should be able to take it too.
    Well said

    I have a nasty feeling that in our little community there are some with bigger voices.

    If suppose I wrote something that caused offence to 20% of the population in here I would expect to be sumarilly punished or maybe asked if I wanted to apologise as I had caused offence. However what I feel is happening is certain people are making individual complaints and draconian actions driven from them.
    'frinstance how many people does it take to decide if a post is off topic? It has to be in a community of at least 70 regular posters - 7. 10% that would be fair.
    Abuse etc could be left to individuals with good reasons but most times when I as an INDIVIDUAL have raised concerns about others posting possible abuse I get poo poo'd.

    I am well aware that our On-Line community is definitely NOT a democracy but the people with powerful mouses need better direction I feel.

    It is after all only recently that we had an influx of new moderators but seems to me things have gotten worse since then. Are heads trying to wear too many hats out there. Mr Community Member with a desire to interact fully and play the community game and Mr Moderator with the remit of keeping the peace. Those hats DO NOT sit well on the same heads.

    Franck 'frinstnace (god bless the ground he walks on!) does not post often he is divorced from the day to day chitchat. I respect that and when Franck says "you've been an arse, cool off!" I have probably been an arse and should cool off.

    Should Francks model be the model of the Moderator? You can't after all have your cake and eat it!

    Hey it's a point of view and I started the thread (although admittedly some where else) what does the community think?

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    Re: Swish 2008 - question

    Quote Originally Posted by Trousers View Post
    'frinstance how many people does it take to decide if a post is off topic? It has to be in a community of at least 70 regular posters - 7. 10% that would be fair.
    On this forum a couple of moderators (even 1) would be enough. Being off-topic is not difficult to spot. When a moderator is in doubt, they discuss it in the 'Moderator area' to get some feedback from other moderators or myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trousers View Post
    'Franck 'frinstnace (god bless the ground he walks on!) does not post often he is divorced from the day to day chitchat. I respect that and when Franck says "you've been an arse, cool off!" I have probably been an arse and should cool off.

    Should Francks model be the model of the Moderator? You can't after all have your cake and eat it!
    This is exactly what happens now already. Moderators share decisions, discuss most things (unless obvious) with each other in private, and then one of us (whoever has most time / access) deals with the issue.
    As soon as an issue is reported, a thread is created for moderators to discuss action. Sometimes we decide the complaint is over the top, other times we take steps: deleting the post, infracting the user, or a quiet word by PM.
    Being consistent is not easy, but having 6 moderators (some of them not shy) helps us to keep most of our decisions fair.

    As for being 'divorced from the day to day chitchat' that's simply not true, I rarely have time to post on most thread, but I tend to read most of them when I can, so I know what's going on. We have more moderators now because we have more members, and more posts. Keeping things on track was too much work for 2 or 3 moderators.
    Franck.

    There's an A.P.P. for that!

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    Re: Social Dips, Drops & Aerials on a busy dance floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Where are the dance police when you need them??
    The World's gone mad! But the powers that be on the forum have decided that it's woodface's World where what he says goes - and he says airsteps are acceptable on a social dance floor, so you'd better keep quiet about your objections. You don't want to get an infraction for disagreeing with the new boy

    The only choice you have with this venue is to stay away. Now what does that put me in mind of...?

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    Re: Social Dips, Drops & Aerials on a busy dance floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    The World's gone mad! But the powers that be on the forum have decided that it's woodface's World where what he says goes - and he says airsteps are acceptable on a social dance floor, so you'd better keep quiet about your objections. You don't want to get an infraction for disagreeing with the new boy
    Ahhhhh Petal, I didn't know you were so sensitive to mild rebuke!
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    Re: Social Dips, Drops & Aerials on a busy dance floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    Ahhhhh Petal, I didn't know you were so sensitive to mild rebuke!
    Dear Franck,

    You have received an infraction at Ceroc Scotland Forum.

    http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/s...ad.php?p=above
    Reason: Bringing thread off topic
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    Please Franck, do not deliberately take threads off-topic. It takes enough time and effort from moderators to keep up with the natural drift without having deliberate attempts at sabotage!

    Thanks,
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    This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

    All the best,
    Andy the unofficial moderator who doesn't like overmoderation and is just making a point!

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