spelling and dyslexia.

[Lou]

Originally posted by Jayne
Did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic insomniac?

Or indeed the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul to Santa.

I actually have a mild form of numerical dyslexia. The most noticible symptom is when I'm asked to read out a string of numbers I often actually say something totally different to what's on the paper. Oddly, if I'm asked to repeat it, I'll actually repeat exactly what I've said, but only realise when the person looks at me oddly! Same thing if I'm trying to write down a number.

Most people I work with realise that this is a problem, and accept that they have to speak slowly if giving me numbers, and are very accomodating.

I only discovered recently I had it, although if I think back to school days, I should've realised something was odd, because I always did well at logic puzzles, etc - but appallingly at maths!

[CJ]

Dyslexic devil worshipper is one of my faves.

So, who was the tube that let that particularly unmusical, soulless lethario out of Shane Ritchie's cellar?

And can he be charged with aiding and abetting crimes against humanity?!?

[Chicklet]

Originally posted by Ceroc Jock
So, who was the tube that let that particularly unmusical, soulless lethario out of Shane Ritchie's cellar?
D

what was Dave doing in Shane Richie's cellar?

[Emma]

Originally posted by PeterL

If someone else dances better than you, you don't expect them to point out all your flaws, unless they are a teacher. So the same should be true of spelling and grammar on an open forum, unless someone is communicating in a way you do not understand.

I wholeheartedly agree with you Peter, (though I confess I have been guilty of a little light-hearted ribbing on the forum). I've always thought that you shouldn't point out spelling/grammar errors with people you don't know, cos you just don't know who you are communicating with - someone with dyslexia, someone writing in a language other than their own, or someone like me who just can't type very well

Also, I'd be pretty surprised and upset if even a teacher pointed out all my flaws...dancing or otherwise. Seems like a pretty good way to completely destroy someone's confidence to me.

[Rachel]

Originally posted by Lou
I actually have a mild form of numerical dyslexia. The most noticible symptom is when I'm asked to read out a string of numbers I often actually say something totally different to what's on the paper. Oddly, if I'm asked to repeat it, I'll actually repeat exactly what I've said, but only realise when the person looks at me oddly! Same thing if I'm trying to write down a number.

Oh wow - I do that, too! I've never really thought about anyone else doing it. Not surprising I was never a very good auditor, I guess!
Rachel

[Gadget]

You're certainly earing your title Peter

Originally posted by PeterL
Now this attitude annoys me,

My attitude, or the attitude of people who use 'hidden dissabilities' as excuses ?
I have met a few people who don't actually have the drive and concentration/focus to work with their dissabilities and don't even try to overcome the slightest challenge.
I assume that if you come accross an obstical that your dissability makes hard, you would either work at it untill you got it right, or find an alternative that would pass. It is those who do neither of these, and just refuse to do anything that bug me.

I also miss out verbs all the time, Like I say "I hungry" rather than "I am hungry".

I tend to miss the pro-noun {?} as well and just say "Hungry". I also have a habit of mixing up the words in sentances to say "I'm going out to food some grabs", but I usually hear it and correct it to save confusion.
I have a close friend who tended to mumble or talk quietly {also had years of speach therapy}. He is also fairly surreal and into quantum stuff, so sometimes conversations we had were like weird dreams.

unless someone is communicating in a way you do not understand.

I tend to spend more time thinking on the one word that sums up what I'm trying to say than use several. Unfortunatly, I then re-read it and think I have to expand on definitions, so my posts end up twice the length they should... waffle waffle waffle {we're back to food now... Hungry!}

I'ts an open forum; the words we use and the way in which we put them together to convey our ideas is all we have to define ourselves - the way you write is the way people will 'see' you.

[Lou]

Originally posted by Rachel
Oh wow - I do that, too! I've never really thought about anyone else doing it. Not surprising I was never a very good auditor, I guess!

It's only when I met someone else who did it (an admin at my last job) I realised it's a lot more common than you'd think.

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally posted by Lou
It's only when I met someone else who did it (an admin at my last job) I realised it's a lot more common than you'd think.

I know several people that do that too, and i admit i find it quiet annoying as i don't have the same problem. I can remember phone numbers from several friends i havent seen since school!!

Our default behaviour is always to judge people based on our own abilities, until we realise that everyone is different. The biggest myth in the world I think is 'always treat others as you would want to be treated', not the best idea for sado-masochists..... better to find out how other people would like to be treated first!

[PeterL]

Gadget

The things that annoy me are people that assume you have to overcome every little aspect off your disability.

The people that don't consider that you could read and write before you could speak.
The people that don't consider that you almost starved to death because you couldn't eat.
The people that don't consider that you can't look people in the eye without feeling awkward.
The people that don't consider that your clumsiness is caused by co-ordination and spatial awareness problems.
The people that don't consider that even your mum touching you made your skin crawl until later in adulthood.
The people that don't consider that when they start speaking in a group you feel socially excluded because you never learnt in the normal development years how to interact with a group of your peers.
The people that don't consider that the reason your shoelaces are untied is because you still have problems tying them.

What I am basically trying to say is that yes these things should not be used as an excuse to fail, but you don't know what a person has overcome to become the person they are today.
A lot of these disorders cause people to have low self esteem and people viewing them as lazy is not going to help, there are things I can't do there are things I can. The important ones I have learnt how to. I was lucky because I was never told that most of my symptoms were related to dyspraxia I just thought that I was socially inept, clumsy, forgetful, messy, disorganised etc.
I knew my speech disorder was related to it but the rest of it I found out in later life. So not having the excuse to fail I just practiced harder at the things I couldn't do. I went to special handwriting classes, I knitted to improve my co-ordination.
But life should not be a series of obstacles at some time you have to say that is enough, I am good enough and if anyone doesn't like it they can lump it.

Examples of people being ignorant and inconsiderate.

French teacher quote.
"Why do all you english speak French in an english accent"
didn't even occur to her that the problem wasn't my accent but my speech disorder.

An ex who constantly accused me off being lazy for not caring that I missed out words and mispronounced others, when my accent was easier to understand by the majority of the population than her broad Scottish accent.

My attitude, or the attitude of people who use 'hidden dissabilities' as excuses ?
I have met a few people who don't actually have the drive and concentration/focus to work with their dissabilities and don't even try to overcome the slightest challenge.

so next time you think the above think about what they may have already overcome, and maybe consider that there "hidden disabilitie" may even be a problem with there "concentration/focus".

If this post sounds annoyed sorry I suspect you don't mean what you said in quite the way I am taking it.

[TheTramp]

I knitted to improve my co-ordination.

Can I get a jumper please??

Steve

[PeterL]

Originally posted by TheTramp
Can I get a jumper please??

Steve

It's amazing the things a misguided socially inadequate kid will do.
haven't tried in over 15 years so I wouldn't be too good these days.

[TheTramp]

I dunno. Maybe you should resurrect your skills. If could be a moneyspinner....

Step right up. Get your forum jumper here. Handknitted forum jumpers....



Steve

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally posted by TheTramp
I dunno. Maybe you should resurrect your skills. If could be a moneyspinner....

Step right up. Get your forum jumper here. Handknitted forum jumpers....

and the fact that PeterL ever learnt to knit and accomplish the other things he has, just shows he's a better man than most. So why does he worry so ?

[Dreadful Scathe]

and another thing . Mr Tramp - you've been a monkey for quite some time now (and so has your avatar ).... aren't you due an avatar change?

[Jayne]

When I go to the opticians I find that I can't remember the "names" of letters. Does this make me dyslexic too?

J

[Gadget]

Originally posted by PeterL
French teacher quote.
"Why do all you english speak French in an english accent"
didn't even occur to her that the problem wasn't my accent but my speech disorder.

Actually I had the opposite problem; the only reason I got 'acceptable' marks in French was because I could do the accent! {I had no idea what I was saying!}

so next time you think the above think about what they may have already overcome, and maybe consider that there "hidden disabilitie" may even be a problem with there "concentration/focus".

You assume that I jump to these conclusions - as I said, I knew those people. Not just aquantences, but people I spent years learning and socialising with. I like to know someone before forming an opinion of them or questioning their actions/motives{/spelling }.

[Tiggerbabe]

Originally posted by PeterL
but you don't know what a person has overcome to become the person they are today..............
.............I am good enough and if anyone doesn't like it they can lump it.
...............think about what they may have already overcome, and maybe consider that there "hidden disabilitie" may even be a problem with there "concentration/focus".

If this post sounds annoyed ..............

Peter, can I just say thanks for writing so honestly as you did. Your post really moved me and made me feel so humble as I have been guilty, too, of getting slightly annoyed with people's bad spelling/grammar.
I always try to do the above is someone is grumpy/downright rude...........I try to imagine what has happened in their life that day, or before, to make them feel so bad that they have to take it out on others.
However, when I was at school, as John S illustrated (not that I'm nearly as old as he is, of course ) - bad spelling was simply not tolerated and now it irks me too - or rather it did - I shall look on it with clearer eyes in the future.
So, my apologies and my thanks and NO it didn't sound annoyed - it was enlightening :sorry

[John S]

Originally posted by Sheena
Peter, can I just say thanks for writing so honestly as you did.

Definitely, 100% - I guess this thread must all have been painful / difficult for you but hopefully it's been an eyeopener and very helpful to a lot of us who take for granted what others have had to struggle for.

However, when I was at school, as John S illustrated (not that I'm nearly as old as he is, of course )

Huh, just when it looked as if Tigger was coming over all compassionate and sweet, she had to get a dig in at some poor, harmless old guy who hasn't done her any harm, didn't she?

[Tiggerbabe]

Oops - sorry babe!

[PeterL]

Originally posted by Sheena
Peter, can I just say thanks for writing so honestly as you did. Your post really moved me and made me feel so humble as I have been guilty, too, of getting slightly annoyed with people's bad spelling/grammar.

Thanks Sheena,

I don't have the words to respond to that,
so thanks will have to do.