What would be the difference between this and the current LeRoc federation?
Seems a bit redundant to propose setting up another federation doing the same sort of thing...
I've posted this on the Ceroc(tm) - UK Domination thread. But I think it could do with its own thread.Originally Posted by Andy McGregor on Domination thread
What would be the difference between this and the current LeRoc federation?
Seems a bit redundant to propose setting up another federation doing the same sort of thing...
Putting aside the whole going back on the left thing for a moment, the LeRoc Federation seems to be bogged down in ancient politics. Some of it seems to be about who originated Modern Jive but some of it is intelligible to anyone who's not part of the Federation - in other words, I don't understand it and don't feel the need to devote any of my time to things that are irrelevant.
The other thing is that the LeRoc Federation has been running for years and isn't really representing Modern Jive organisations. I've no real idea why, but it just isn't working and doesn't sound like an attractive proposition to me as an independent organiser.
Besides, if they were throwing fabulous parties we'd have been invited. Wouldn't we...
The site seems fairly straightforward to me - and much better than most franchisee sites or Ceroc.com.
Training - tick.
Event map / list - tick.
Dance Diary - tick.
What more do you want exactly?
Well, I notice that the "Jive Nxxxxn" site is a Leroc member - displays the logo proudly on the front page. So Simon clearly doesn't think it's worthless.
But what it sounds like you want is "A better leroc organisation", and it sounds like it'll be easier to improve the current one than set up a new one, or am I missing something? Otherwise, you'll just get a "People's Front Of Judea" situation.
Dunno, I never get invited anywhere.
How do you think I know something about the LeRoc Fed? I looked into joining. I spoke with John Eastman, even met him. If the rest of the LeRoc Fed were like John I'd have no hesitation in joining. And it probably wouldn't need much improving if they all thought like John.
However, I also had a chat about it with a few other people. Members and non-members. I got an overwhelming impression of an organisation that had not moved forwards since 1995! Change? We did that once, people didn't like it!
OK, but surely you'd want these people as members in any new organisation anyway?
So you'd still have to drag them kicking and screaming into the Century of the Fruitbat, wouldn't you? You'd still have to promote new working practices, to people who might be resistant, no matter what you called the organisation.
If so, why not work within an existing structure than go to the effort of creating a new one?
(I'm desperately trying to avoid a phrase containing words like "wheel", "the" and "re-inventing" here...)
Having been involved in both, religious debates are mild in comparison to dance politics!
I know its a problem with any organisation, and I know I've only been involved in the dance scene for 3 years, but the level of 'I don't like what X is doing I'm going to boycott their events/ban them/set up on my own' seems to be pretty high and there are some strong personalities on the scene. Any organisation taking on the task of trying to establish a 'common ground' will face several challenges, not least of which will be how to have strong leadership, while at the same time trying to avoid issues of 'history' of any personalities that might be involved in that leadership.
DeJaVouz? Modern Jive Dancers Association - Viva La Diva! it was only 2 years ago you raised the same thing...
It was more to do with having a 'unified voice' to bully competition and event organisers, but I don'treally see what else a blanket MJDA would cover and how it would benifit any of the "independants" (inc. Ceroc)??
Originally Posted by me from that thread...
Not me, guv - Andy is the one saying that LeRoc are a bunch of old women fuddy-duddies who can't even step back on the correct foot.
I'm saying that we already have a "MJ federation", two if you count the MJDA as well, and creating a third is just, well, insane to the point of Python.
If there is a "problem" with LeRoc member attitudes (and I've no idea one way or the other), that's not the fault of LeRoc, that's a reflection of what lots of independent MJ organisers think.
So, again, the only way a new structure or organisation would avoid that, is if it doesn't include LeRoc organisers. And with no Ceroc, no Leroc - one wonders how inclusive this organisation would be...
In other words - join LeRoc, Andy, that's what it's there for. And if you want change, promote it. I'm sure LeRoc Federation will welcome input and assistance with open arms.
Have you forgotten already that there is no such thing as a "LeRoc" organisation? You do remember that many LeRoc classes are independent organisations, don't you, and that "LeRoc" is a generic term for the dance? Andy's talking about the LeRoc Federation. A voluntary* organisation that MJ organisers & teachers can join for various benefits. If not - I'm sure Barry & I can remind you....
And John's already said that Andy can step back on any foot he pleases. I agree with ESG - Andy just wants to be Queen (ooops! I mean Founder) of something.
*Voluntary = not mandatory, which means LeRoc teachers & organisers don't have to join.
I think that's a significant part of it. I couldn't join a dance organisation that got its technique so incredibly wrong that they teach their students to step back with the wrong foot. How would I pass their exam? Would I want to pass an exam when I disagreed with the basic tecnique? A couple of the people I know who've recently taken the exam told me that they had to learn to dance differently to pass the exam and then go back to dancing properly afterwards
Maybe the danced differently in the mid-nineties. I know I did
And, why would I want to join the LeRoc Federation when they're mostly based in Bristol?
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