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Ghost
Would you accept that they were an attempt to describe something that was beyond human comprehension in a way that was?
No. These were godly explanations for what we would now deem to be mundane events. In those days we didn't understand much and myths grew to explain just about everything. Of course, each culture had a slightly different experience and slightly different myths about the same general things. Ergo; a provably predictable path of human myth building and creative thinking evolution.
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Assuming that you mean every religion that advocates a god is incapable of fully explaining and comprehending what that is, then yes.
Great, so no religion is true, and could never be due to gods being outside our comprehension. (though your use of the word "fully" does suggest you think that "some" religions may offer "some explanation" but as this has to then be random chance we'll never know which bits). Thats all fine. That then begs the question though - should we even bother about something that is outwith our comprehension? It also does not mean that gods exist at all - being outwith our comprehension we will never know. Of course gods being unknowable is your belief and not necessarily true, sensible or shared by anyone else.
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We believe a lot about the sun. It's entirely plausible that people in 500 years time will look back and wonder why we were gullible enough to think that a nuclear reaction could last that long.
Irrelevant. The argument is that there are no specific "gods of the sun" due to what we do know about the sun. Sure enough to consider it FACT that the Sun is not a sentient god of some kind.
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How can it possibly have been proved beyond doubt if people still doubt it?
Proven beyond scientific doubt, and therefore provable to anyone who wants to look at the evidence.
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Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe
I assume from this that if someone stole your car you would not rule out the suggestion that a god took it away to an astral plane because he liked the colour.
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Originally Posted by Ghost
If someone were to propose that it was a possibility I would accept that they may be right.
Well, I think even my 3 year old would dismiss that as a possibility. So i don't know what that says about you. :rolleyes:
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Can you even prove that you aren't dreaming right now?
Reality is consistent and universal. There is no evidence otherwise.
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Yes I'm saying that there is always an element of doubt that how we understand the world is wrong.
Of course, but there are things we can test and prove. While we do often say we don't know much about how things work, we can often claim we do know it does not work a particular way. e.g. The sun is not a god with the ability to bugger of somewhere else when it feels like it and Neptune is not the one and only godly ruler of the seas...
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at the moment it sounds like you're saying "I believe this 100% so either you should to, or you're wrong." And if that's your position, then fine, but at least be honest about it.
Thats not what I am saying, I have never mentioned my personal beliefs. There are some things that are scientific fact - personal beliefs do not enter into it.
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Again please name one holy person who makes this claim?
Well unless they are pretending. I think its fairly certain that holy people from the clergy all the way down to the ordinary faithful feel they understand at least one tiny aspect of the holy books they subscribe to.
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Well there's a lot of interesting ideas, but since you're interested in facts, I'll have to go with "I don't know".
I'm just glad you are open to the idea of the divine Scalextric. :)
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And yet you are unwilling to provide any concrete evidence that you understand the true nature of reality. Simply stating "my beliefs are fact" over and over again doesn't actually make them facts.
I'm not talking about my beliefs and never have been. As an intelligent species we have gathered some facts about reality, but your attitude of "anything may be true" allows you to sit on the fence regarding reality. I'm not sure reality cares. :)