Strictly Come Dancing 4!!

[sparkledancer]

Hi there, i know its early to be discussing this but i saw Darren and Lilia at Dorking last night (they were amazing by the way! :respect: :clap: ) and they were talking about the new series and im now very excited especially as i have found out who the dancers have been paired up with!! (by the way D&L didnt give us this information)


Emma Bunton (ex Spice Girl) - Darren Bennett
Georgina Bouzova (Ellen in Casualty) - James Jordan
Claire King (Emmerdale / Bad Girls) – Brendan Cole
Louisa Lytton (Ruby in Eastenders) – Vincent Simone
Mica Paris (Singer / What not to wear) – Ian Waite
Jan Ravens (Dead Ringers) – Anton Du Beck
Carol Smillie (TV presenter) – Matthew Cutler

Matt Dawson (Rugby player) – Lilia Kopylova
Ray Fearon (Nathan in Coronation Street) – Camilla Dallerup
Nicholas Owen (newsreader) – Nicole Cutler
Mark Ramprakash (cricketer) – Karen Hardy
Peter Schmeichel (Man U Goalkeeper) – Erin Boag
Spoony (Radio 5 Live DJ) - Aleksandra ‘Ola’ Jordan
Jimmy Tarbuck (comedian) – Flavia Cacace

Feel sorry for Flavia as she deserves someone better than that but well done Darren!

S. xx

[Lou]

Cheers! :cheers:

Here's a link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/09_september/13/scd.shtml) to the BBC's press release.

From it you'll see there's a slight change to the format of the show:


In a change to last year's format, week one sees the boys dancing to stay in the competition whilst the girls entertain with a group mambo.

In week two the female celebrities fight to stay in the competition whilst the men kick back with a group West Coast Swing.

From week three all couples will compete against each other performing either the jive or the tango.

Oooh! Look! West Coast Swing! :clap:

BTW... tickets are now available, if anyone's interested & dedicated enough to phone up...

[Paul F]

Louisa Lytton (Ruby in Eastenders) – Vincent Simone
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Jimmy Tarbuck (comedian) – Flavia Cacace

Feel sorry for Flavia as she deserves someone better than that but well done Darren!

S. xx

I was chatting with Vincent on Monday and he was saying how 'miffed' Flavia was about being paired with Jimmy Tarbuck :(
I think Vincent has a brilliant chance though. He seems really confident about dancing with the girl from Eastenders.

SO

Please vote for Vincent everyone :flower: (ok, blatant grovelling)

If not Vincent then my money is on Matthew and Carol. She seems to be the right height for him and they should look good together.

Cant wait :clap:

[David Bailey]

In week two the female celebrities fight to stay in the competition
:eek: It's vicious, this dancing world, isn't it? :innocent:

(Waiting now for "celebrity mud-wrestling", it's an idea whose time has come)

Jimmy Tarbuck? :rolleyes:

[TiggsTours]

Oooh! Look! West Coast Swing! :clap:


Not that I have anything against WCS, I think its great, but its not exactly ballroom, is it? I thought this was supposed to be a ballroom competition.


My money's on Peter Schmeichel as the surprise of the series, I don't know why, I just think he might be quite good.

[Lou]

(Waiting now for "celebrity mud-wrestling", it's an idea whose time has come)


Peter Schmeichel

Good call DJ! mmm... Round 1 - Peter Schmeichel vs. Mark Ramprakash :D


Not that I have anything against WCS, I think its great, but its not exactly ballroom, is it? I thought this was supposed to be a ballroom competition.

From reading the quote, I get the impression that the WSC is going to be a group demo, rather than part of the competition. As always, I could be wrong....

[Lory]

More info about the dancers can be found HERE (http://www.ianvictoria.co.uk/comedancing4.htm):)

[Stuart]

Matt Dawson v The judges might be a good contest given the way he used to try and influence the referees when he was playing rugby.

[wayaay bird]

I'm gonna be voting for Karen Hardy as she is my dance teacher
:clap: :clap:

Cant wait for it to start.

[Dreamer]

I'm glad Karen's in it again - I'd heard rumours that she didn't want to do another season.

She was my favourite pro - she seemed really warm, and such charisma!

[Ballroom queen]

I'm gonna be voting for Karen Hardy as she is my dance teacher
:clap: :clap:

Cant wait for it to start.

And I'll vote for Anton as he's mine (my dance teacher that is):grin:

Ohhhh I love the way the best dancer wins.

Did anyone else get thourougly pi**ed off with the beeb and fail to get tickets the other day? Such an unfair system:mad:

[sparkledancer]

If everyone is voting for their teachers then maybe i should vote for Vincent and Flavia?? However i don't think Flavia will get very far because of her celeb which is a shame as she is a lovely teacher and dancer. :respect:

I wish Kylie Jones was on it again as she is a fantastic teacher but never really got a chance to shine! :(

Im backing Darren and Lilia as always but i think its going to be an interesting show!

S. xx

[ElaineB]

And I'll vote for Anton as he's mine (my dance teacher that is):grin:

Ohhhh I love the way the best dancer wins.

Did anyone else get thourougly pi**ed off with the beeb and fail to get tickets the other day? Such an unfair system:mad:

Yup!!!!

:hug:

Elaine

[David Bailey]

Did anyone else get thourougly pi**ed off with the beeb and fail to get tickets the other day? Such an unfair system:mad:
Nope - never been. But to be honest, I don't know if I'm missing much - I don't think I could stand around queueing for hours, I'm too impatient.

I'd happily buy tickets if they were sold in a normal way, to avoid queueing - I agree the current system is insanity.

[Lory]

Emma Bunton (ex Spice Girl) - Darren Bennett
Georgina Bouzova (Ellen in Casualty) - James Jordan
Claire King (Emmerdale / Bad Girls) – Brendan Cole
Louisa Lytton (Ruby in Eastenders) – Vincent Simone
Mica Paris (Singer / What not to wear) – Ian Waite
Jan Ravens (Dead Ringers) – Anton Du Beck
Carol Smillie (TV presenter) – Matthew Cutler

Matt Dawson (Rugby player) – Lilia Kopylova
Ray Fearon (Nathan in Coronation Street) – Camilla Dallerup
Nicholas Owen (newsreader) – Nicole Cutler
Mark Ramprakash (cricketer) – Karen Hardy
Peter Schmeichel (Man U Goalkeeper) – Erin Boag
Spoony (Radio 5 Live DJ) - Aleksandra ‘Ola’ Jordan
Jimmy Tarbuck (comedian) – Flavia Cacace


Just found these photos and stuck 'em together, for anyone (like me) who wasn't sure who some of the celebs were :)

Sorry didn't leave myself enough room to label the girls + couldn't be bothered :D

[whitetiger1518]

I don't think Flavia will get very far because of her celeb which is a shame as she is a lovely teacher and dancer. :respect:


Interesting you say this, because if given the choice I would rather have a sincere older dancer to be, who may not be the worlds best dancer (even after training) but will probably take the competition more seriously.

I think that Jimmy Tarbuck will probably try harder than maybe some of the younger competitors would, as although not as old as Bruce Forsyth he has been brought up in a similar ethos of hard work and determination...

I would rather vote for someone who is trying hard and showing that they are enjoying the experience.(even if not the best dancer).:clap: after all dance is for Everyone - no matter what the age....

You only have to look at Bruce Forsyth to show that Age is no barrier! :respect:

After all - Bruce is 78!


Whitetiger

[David Bailey]

Interesting you say this, because if given the choice I would rather have a sincere older dancer to be, who may not be the worlds best dancer (even after training) but will probably take the competition more seriously.
Yeah, but the trouble is, that's not how the competitions work. The oldies may last a while, because they try harder, but they're very unlikely to win. It's a visual medium, it's an ageist audience, and younger people generally look better.

So if I were a professional competitor, all other things being equal, I'd go for the younger one.

[whitetiger1518]

Yes I suppose I agree. As far as I can see though factoring in the audience is impossible - anything can happen :grin: and probably will..

Will happily watch and vote every time.
Cheers
Whitetiger

[Ballroom queen]

Nope - never been. But to be honest, I don't know if I'm missing much - I don't think I could stand around queueing for hours, I'm too impatient.

I'd happily buy tickets if they were sold in a normal way, to avoid queueing - I agree the current system is insanity.

I know what you mean, I hated the queuing, but once in it was well worth it - I had a fantastic time (each) time I went, and meeting the prof dancers afterwards was amazing. But I am a groupie.

i agree re buying tickets - and making more dosh for charity - but the been tell me they can't sell them. Some licensing issue (although they didn't even have a licence until recently!

[Gojive]

One week to go :clap: :clap:

I'll do the usual TV schedule to start with, but I may be off line from Nov for a few weeks.

Anyhow, the show starts next Saturday (7th) at the later than usual time of 19:50. No sign of the sister BBC 3 show as yet, but I'm on the lookout :waycool:

Getting excited now, and I can't wait for it to begin!! :D :D (what a sad 40 something eh? :blush: )

[Gojive]

A bit of diggin on the Digital Spy forum, and it looks like "It Takes Two" will be back with Claudia as per last series (6:30pm weekdays) :clap:

Also, it appears that the Beeb may be screening highlights from the Saturday show on Sunday nights too (at least for the first week anyway) :)

[Lynn]

A bit of diggin on the Digital Spy forum, and it looks like "It Takes Two" will be back with Claudia as per last series (6:30pm weekdays) :clap: So hopefully 'as per last series' means it will be on BBC 2 again so I can get it on my terribly outdated 5 channel TV?

[Gojive]

So hopefully 'as per last series' means it will be on BBC 2 again so I can get it on my terribly outdated 5 channel TV?

Yup! Just checked Digiguide for next week, and it lists ITT on BBC 2 at 18:30, Mo-Fr :clap:

[Lynn]

Yup! Just checked Digiguide for next week, and it lists ITT on BBC 2 at 18:30, Mo-Fr :clap:Great! Looking forward to the series starting again.

[Ballroom queen]

Yup! Just checked Digiguide for next week, and it lists ITT on BBC 2 at 18:30, Mo-Fr :clap:

radio times on line quotes ITT Monday at 7pm, rest of week 6.30pm. bbc2

Main show 7.50pm - 9pm, results 9.45 - 10.15, bbc1
Sunday show 7-8pm bbc2

[Gojive]

radio times on line quotes ITT Monday at 7pm, rest of week 6.30pm. bbc2

Main show 7.50pm - 9pm, results 9.45 - 10.15, bbc1
Sunday show 7-8pm bbc2

We'll have to keep an eye on this one....Digiguide is still showing 18:30 for Monday.

Thanks for the heads up BQ

[Ballroom queen]

We'll have to keep an eye on this one....Digiguide is still showing 18:30 for Monday.

Thanks for the heads up BQ

Radio times have corrected thier web site, SCD ITT is on 6.30pm every week day. Not long now :clap: :clap:

[Gojive]

Radio times have corrected thier web site, SCD ITT is on 6.30pm every week day. Not long now :clap: :clap:
Yeah! Only 4 more sleeps! :clap: :clap: :clap: :yum:

[Gojive]

Here we again then :D ...

Here's TV schedule for the first week of SCD 4:



The main show - Sat 7th Oct, BBC 1, 19:50 - 21:00
The results - Sat 7th Oct, BBC 1, 21:45 - 22:15
Highlights - Sun 8th Oct, BBC 2, 19:00 - 20:00
It Takes Two - Mon 9th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30 - 19:00
It Takes Two - Tue 10th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30 - 19:00
It Takes Two - Wed 11th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30 - 19:00
It Takes Two - Thu 12th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30 - 19:00
It Takes Two - Fri 13th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30 - 19:00


Enjoy! :waycool:

[jivecat]

Well, what are we waiting for? The programme's been over at least half an hour now and no-one's commented. I think (hope) Jimmy Tarbuck's for the chop. Or am I just prejudiced 'cos he's the least attractive bloke.:whistle:

The ladies all look a bit wooden, judging by the mambo. And a few of them looked hard to lead, maybe. Not the cornucopia of delights the male celebs seem set to offer us, anyway.

[Northants Girly]

Well, what are we waiting for? The programme's been over at least half an hour now and no-one's commented. I think (hope) Jimmy Tarbuck's for the chop.Oh I don't know . . . . might be Matt Dawson(?) :rolleyes:

[Jivingdan]

[QUOTE=jivecat;289179]Well, what are we waiting for? The programme's been over at least half an hour now and no-one's commented. I think (hope) Jimmy Tarbuck's for the chop. Or am I just prejudiced 'cos he's the least attractive bloke.:whistle:

QUOTE]

I think Nick Owen will go. The guy from coronation street looks like being an early favourite.
The girl from casualty looked very wooden in the mambo.

[Northants Girly]

The guy from coronation street looks like being an early favourite.:yeah: he was fab :drool:

[jivecat]

Oh I don't know . . . . might be Matt Dawson(?) :rolleyes:

I thought he was a bit wooden but had potential.

[Juju]

I think Tess Daly's frock should be torched as part of a Hallowe'en special. Shocking. She looked like a dayglo sack of potatoes.

[jivecat]

I think Tess Daly's frock should be torched as part of a Hallowe'en special. Shocking. She looked like a dayglo sack of potatoes.

She seemed to have some sort of lumpy thing strapped to her back. Did anyone else notice that? I'm assuming it wasn't part of her anatomy?

[Northants Girly]

I think Tess Daly's frock should be torched as part of a Hallowe'en special. Shocking. She looked like a dayglo sack of potatoes.was she the hostess?

[Juju]

was she the hostess?

Yup.

Btw, I'm a teapot.

(Sorry, it wouldn't let me post "yup" on its own - too short, apparently.)

[Northants Girly]

Yup.

Btw, I'm a teapot.

(Sorry, it wouldn't let me post "yup" on its own - too short, apparently.) lol :D

I kept wanting top pull her strap up! :really:

[Minnie M]

So pleased Nicole Cutler is out - didn't rate her & Nicholas Owen - did you see her face when they were about to anounce who was going :really:

The guy from Coronation Street is very very cute :drool: but I reckon the DJ is a better dancer. Funny how his dancer's husband is showing signs of being jealous :whistle: (silly they didn't finish their routine with a kiss - would have been the right thing to do)

[Northants Girly]

The guy from Coronation Street is very very cute :drool: but I reckon the DJ is a better dancer. Funny how his dancer's husband is showing signs of being jealous :whistle: (silly they didn't finish their routine with a kiss - would have been the right thing to do):yeah: Couldn't agree more!
That last "move" would have been SO much better with a kiss - instead thay were about a foot apart from each other!!

[Feelingpink]

:yeah: Couldn't agree more!
That last "move" would have been SO much better with a kiss - instead thay were about a foot apart from each other!!Yes. There were a few guys with real dance potential (including veeerrrryyy nice hip wiggles) - perhaps I'll just tune in every second week :whistle: I know the women were doing a group mambo, but could someone from wardrobe get the actress from Bad Girls to put her boobs inside something more substantial? They've seen too much gravity to be out on show so much ... eeerk :sick:

Waits for forum guys to dig out their recordings of forum mambo

[David Bailey]

So pleased Nicole Cutler is out - didn't rate her & Nicholas Owen - did you see her face when they were about to anounce who was going :really:
Well, they weren't exactly great were they. I feel sorry for Nicole (was it me, or did she look even skinnier than a year ago?), but that's the luck of the draw. If you're not an entertainment-oriented celeb, you need to be good or lucky to avoid the chop.

As for the guys - yes, Fearon and Spoony were good, but it's relatively easy to blag it in cha-cha if you can perform. It think they may both have problems in ballroom - especially Spoony.

Schmeichel was amazingly good considering he's like 20' tall - but he'll never get a good jive done.

I liked the cricketer guy (Mark Ramprakash) - I thought he was marked down unfairly by Bruno, otherwise he'd have won rather than being first equal. I also think he'll have a better chance at the ballroom than the other two, there was something about his posture...

I also tried out the new interactive commentary feature on the show - but it didn't do much for me, I was expecting a bit more bite (as in "Ooh, that was nasty..." :) ) to it.

[Yliander]

Schmeichel was amazingly good considering he's like 20' tall - but he'll never get a good jive done.he was one of my favourites - and don't right him off because of his height - considering how well he did with the waltz - I'd say there is hope for him

[Trouble]

love love loved all of it. cant stand Brucie boy though,, really ruins the show for me, love it when he is off the camera...the your my favourites joke is so not funny anymore. he is well over due retirement or a lesson in some one liners that have not been used for two years.

[Minnie M]

The highlights are on at the moment - that 'bad girls' actress looks awful - as by Feelingpink, they could have found a dress that kept her boobs in :sick: really notice her this evening :rolleyes:

Also, didn't realise that Nicole Cutler's ex husband is on it too ! (He is such a nice guy - I remember him from MJC as few years ago, when they were still married)

[David Bailey]

love love loved all of it. cant stand Brucie boy though,, really ruins the show for me, love it when he is off the camera...the your my favourites joke is so not funny anymore. he is well over due retirement or a lesson in some one liners that have not been used for two years.
Hey, don't Diss The Bruce. :tears:

The jokes are supposed to be corny, that's the whole point of it all.

Seriously, Bruce brings enthusiasm, experience and compassion to the job - and unlike almost any other presenter you can name, he knows something about dancing. He helps to elevate SCD from being just another boring reality show to a genuinely inspiring phenomenon. He controls the timing very well - remember it's a live show, and he's the one who has to keep it all running on time.

If you want to see how badly another presenter can screw up this type of thing, just look at Graham bloody Norton and SDF :rolleyes:

Re: Schmeichel:

he was one of my favourites - and don't right him off because of his height - considering how well he did with the waltz - I'd say there is hope for him
Sorry, but I don't see it - unless they do something totally non-jive-y, e.g. airsteps, then there's nothing he can do that will utilise his size well in something like the Jive.

[Trouble]

[QUOTE=DavidJames;289319]Hey, don't Diss The Bruce. :tears:

The jokes are supposed to be corny, that's the whole point of it all.

Seriously, Bruce brings enthusiasm, experience and compassion to the job - and unlike almost any other presenter you can name, he knows something about dancing. He helps to elevate SCD from being just another boring reality show to a genuinely inspiring phenomenon. He controls the timing very well - remember it's a live show, and he's the one who has to keep it all running on time.

If you want to see how badly another presenter can screw up this type of thing, just look at Graham bloody Norton and SDF :rolleyes:

now thats funny but i really like Graham Norton.....i can see you rolling your eyes as you read that.....

i love a corny one liner but pleeeeeeese the same one liner year in year out is just not funny bless him. More importantly.... Ray Fearon looked fantastic in his little trousers cha cha ing away with his hips swivelling over and over... ( i can see ya eyes rolling again)... made my night,, Brucie boy was forgiven.

[ElaineB]

Yay, excellent suff!! It looks as though there are some pretty good dancers in there - bring it on!

I thought Flavia was wonderful to Jimmy Tarbuck - she seemed to be looking after him so well :worthy: He has to be the next male to go though, as he appears to be well out of his depth.

What about the professionals exhibition dance - my G*d, did you see Anton and Erin's Quickstep? Wow! :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

Elaine

[Minnie M]

Hey, don't Diss The Bruce.......etc etc.
:yeah:
As much as he gets on my nerves with his corny jokes - have to agree he is very good keeping it all together, and must say, didn't think he was so irritating yesterday

[bigdjiver]

...Re: Schmeichel:

Sorry, but I don't see it - unless they do something totally non-jive-y, e.g. airsteps, then there's nothing he can do that will utilise his size well in something like the Jive.:sad: :tears:

[David Bailey]

:sad: :tears:
Well, I'm just repeating what I've heard.

I'm fairly sure it's possible to be an excellent Modern Jive dancer if you're unnaturally tall (e.g. over 5'7" :) ) - look at Under Par.

But Ballroom Jive (well, OK, technically Latin Jive but you know what I mean) apparently is a real problem for taller men, from everything I've heard - and the dances I've seen in previous seasons seem to bear this out.

[David Bailey]

now thats funny but i really like Graham Norton.....i can see you rolling your eyes as you read that.....
There's nothing inherently evil with liking Graham Norton. And believe me, that wasn't easy for me to type..

But he knows nothing about dancing, and his entire style is based around antagonism and belittling - in other words, he's negative. Hence he influences the general tone of SDF to make it negative, IMO.

Any show in which the judges ask Viktor if he can "really dance" is not a show in which I have confidence.


More importantly.... Ray Fearon looked fantastic in his little trousers cha cha ing away with his hips swivelling over and over... ( i can see ya eyes rolling again)... made my night,, Brucie boy was forgiven.
Ray did look good, definitely. But it's early days yet.

[Trouble]

question for you....

how on earth do you get those snippets of quote to stand out like that so people know what your answering... i cant work it out....!!!!??

[bigdjiver]

question for you....

how on earth do you get those snippets of quote to stand out like that so people know what your answering... i cant work it out....!!!!??You just delete the bits of text that you do not want, taking care not to delete control unmatched formatting stuff, (between [] )

It is best to use the preview button at first to make sure you get what you intended.

[Trouble]

You just delete the bits of text that you do not want, taking care not to delete control unmatched formatting stuff, (between [] )

It is best to use the preview button at first to make sure you get what you intended.

fantastic... you see im learning all the time.

Cheers :respect:

[DJ Andy]

Viktor[/B] if he can "really dance" is not a show in which I have confidence.




If memory serves me correctly it was Arlene Phillips who asked that question on the first SDF and as she is on SCD as well I take it that you have no confidence in this show either? :whistle:

Personally I like Graham Norton's presentation style - at least he cuts the judges down a bit when they get too "up" themselves! :D

[clevedonboy]

What about the professionals exhibition dance - my G*d, did you see Anton and Erin's Quickstep? Wow! :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

Elaine

Hugely impressive = I was turning to Julia saying how poor (poite term) the alleged Shorty George all of the couples were doing at the start was. Once the Quickstep kiccked in though, all was forgiven

[jivecat]

I thought Flavia was wonderful to Jimmy Tarbuck - she seemed to be looking after him so well :worthy: He has to be the next male to go though, as he appears to be well out of his depth.



:yeah: Trouble is, we won't get to see much of what Flavia can do as a dancer as she'll go out as well. I don't think there's been an AT specialist on the programme before.

[David Bailey]

If memory serves me correctly it was Arlene Phillips who asked that question on the first SDF and as she is on SCD as well I take it that you have no confidence in this show either? :whistle:
It was an illustration of the general tone of the programme.

Another illustration was when they showed a clip of the gorgeous and talented Mel, which GN promptly rubbished - anyone who's danced with her knows she's a top dancer, but the programme tried to use her as comedy material. :angry:

SDF is purely interested in good telly stories - it's like Big Brother without (so far) the weirdos. It's not a dance programme to my mind.

Back to SCD:

:yeah: Trouble is, we won't get to see much of what Flavia can do as a dancer as she'll go out as well. I don't think there's been an AT specialist on the programme before.
Flavia and Vincent started out with Ballroom / Latin, then discovered AT and decided to focus exclusively on that.

To quote from the information on the BBC site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/contestants/flavia.shtml):

Flavia's favourite dance is without doubt, the Argentine Tango. "The Argentine Tango felt very natural from the moment we started to learn it. You dance it for your own personal pleasure as opposed to the audience and I love the fact that it's non-showy."
Thus confirming that AT is the dance you do when you get bored with the easy ones (all the others :na: ) :) :worthy:

[Feelingpink]

Blah blah blah
...

Thus confirming that AT is the dance you do when you get bored with the easy ones (all the others :na: ) :) :worthy:Another tango hijack DJ? :respect: :hug:

[David Bailey]

Another tango hijack DJ? :respect: :hug:
Hey, I didn't start it :)

Looking at the bios of the professionals, I'm struck by the sheer plethora of dance competitions - just from a few bios I can see:


IDTA Classic
BDF Star Ball
British National
British Open
Dutch Open
Italian Open
UK Open
Closed British
Amateur International Open
South American Showdance
European Professional
World Masters
World Championships


That's a lot of championships... Maybe I'm cynical, but it seems to me that it's not too difficult to call yourself a champion with all these competitions :whistle:

[bigdjiver]

...That's a lot of championships... Maybe I'm cynical, but it seems to me that it's not too difficult to call yourself a champion with all these competitions :whistle:Fortunately that is never going to happen with MJ. :whistle:

[straycat]

Any show in which the judges ask Viktor if he can "really dance" is not a show in which I have confidence.

Context..... Yes, Arlene winds me up half the times she opens her mouth, and yes, her emotional reaction to a dance often seems to outweigh her technical knowledge, but I had a similar reaction to Viktor's piece. Only my reaction went more like: "I know you can dance ten times better than this, so why aren't you doing it?"

T'was a shame, to be sure, and on a good day he could have sailed through, but Viktor wasn't even remotely at his best in that performance. :sad:

[David Bailey]

Fortunately that is never going to happen with MJ. :whistle:
Yeah, I'm sure no-one in MJ would ever consider that.

I do wonder how the professionals in SCD are chosen though - presumably there's an audition process. In fact, I also wonder how the celebs are chosen.

Unlike in SDF, there's no transparency in the audition process; maybe there should be. It would certainly weed out some of the people who really shouldn't be in it - at the moment it looks like pretty much any celeb can have a go at it, no matter how wildly unsuited they are for it. There doesn't seem to be a minimum standard, in other words.

No sane person would really expect 3-4 of those 14 couples to win - the show only really turns into a competition once every entrant could plausibly be seen as a winner. For someone like Tarbuck, it's more a question of how long he can play the sympathy game with the public to stay in, rather than having a reasonable shot.

[clevedonboy]

T'was a shame, to be sure, and on a good day he could have sailed through

At his best he might have struggled - Paul and Natasha were always going to get through. Not only were they a good story because of their age and the powdered egg approach, but they had the advantage of dancing something very different from anyone else in the competition.

Anyway back on topic. At the start of the programme I was hoping Matt Dawson would do really well (I've such a soft spot for Lilia) but I suspect he won't last too long - none of the judges seemed to warm to his "charm". So my tip for the top is now Ola & some bloke - she's stunning (and seems to be able to dance a bit).

[David Bailey]

So my tip for the top is now Ola & some bloke - she's stunning (and seems to be able to dance a bit).
Ooh, "Tip for the top" - good game :)

OK, of the men, I'll stick with Mark and Karen - she's popular because she looks human, she's clearly a superb choreographer, and he's got style plus competitive instincts.

[Lou]

That's a lot of championships... Maybe I'm cynical, but it seems to me that it's not too difficult to call yourself a champion with all these competitions :whistle:

But they're professionals. It's no different to, say, playing tennis for a living. Here's a link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tennis_tournaments) to all the tennis tournaments played during the year...

Maybe what they need is a worldwide ranking of Ballroom dancers. :wink:

[David Bailey]

But they're professionals. It's no different to, say, playing tennis for a living.
No, I think it is different - simply because ranking tennis players is easy. The one who wins is, you know, the winner. So it's easy to tell which are the major tournaments, and which are the minor, even for an outsider, based on the rankings.

In sport, a better comparison might be with decathletes - they have to be good at 10 different disciplines. Obviously, they've got different strengths / weaknesses - Daley Thompson was classically rubbish at long-distance running, but world-class at 100m sprinting, for example. So ranking decathletes is tricky, it depends on the scoring mechanisms you use, and the only thing you can truly say about them is that the "number 1" is best under that scoring system.

Whereas in Ballroom dance, I wonder if it's tempting to go for the minor competitions just to get something on your CV. Bit like the dozens of "UK Salsa championships" they seemed to have a few years back.

Interestingly, looking at a few more recent dance competition results, I can only recognise a few names from SCD - are the SCD pros not competing now?

[Rock Princess]

Well I agree, actually I'm convinced that he is kept in formaldehyde and wheeled out escpecially for the show. Perhaps he could get Jimmy Tarbuck to write him new jokes.

Sorry still L driver on posting was commenting on "Troubles" comment re Brucie

[jivecat]

Well I agree, actually I'm convinced that he is kept in formaldehyde and wheeled out escpecially for the show. Perhaps he could get Jimmy Tarbuck to write him new jokes.

Sorry still L driver on posting was commenting on "Troubles" comment re Brucie

Well, I've still got a soft spot for Brucie. Me and my sister thought that Anton would make an extremely worthy successor when he finally hangs up his bowtie, probably around 2037.

[Gojive]

Possible dark horse - Carol Smillie. What little of her we saw, to me seemed very elegant and polished.

Biggest suprise of the opening night - Peter Schmeichel. Looked awful in early training, but really rose (and fell) to the challenge on the night.

Best put-down - Matt dawson on Craig RH..."Top man! Not you, the shirt" :rofl:

I see there's a new book in the offing too :eek:

SCD Book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0563493798/ref=ase_strictlycomed-21/202-7544870-9842234)

[David Bailey]

Best put-down - Matt dawson on Craig RH..."Top man! Not you, the shirt" :rofl:
Yeah, 'coz that didn't look at all scripted... :rolleyes:


I see there's a new book in the offing too :eek:

SCD Book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0563493798/ref=ase_strictlycomed-21/202-7544870-9842234)
I thought you meant a betting-related book! :rofl:

[ElaineB]

Hey, I didn't start it :)

Looking at the bios of the professionals, I'm struck by the sheer plethora of dance competitions - just from a few bios I can see:


IDTA Classic
BDF Star Ball
British National
British Open
Dutch Open
Italian Open
UK Open
Closed British
Amateur International Open
South American Showdance
European Professional
World Masters
World Championships


That's a lot of championships... Maybe I'm cynical, but it seems to me that it's not too difficult to call yourself a champion with all these competitions :whistle:

I am sure that those in the 'know' would be able to advise on the pecking order of the competition status.........probably World Champions being the number one?:whistle: :whistle:

Being only a beginner working towards my silver medal, I am full of am
full of admiration for anyone who manages to get it together to even enter a competition at Latin or Ballroom............how far did you get David? :devil:


Elaine

[David Bailey]

I am sure that those in the 'know' would be able to advise on the pecking order of the competition status.........probably World Champions being the number one?:whistle: :whistle:
But there are three World Championships... :confused:


Being only a beginner working towards my silver medal, I am full of am full of admiration for anyone who manages to get it together to even enter a competition at Latin or Ballroom............how far did you get David? :devil:
I looked in on a ballroom lesson from a long way away once, does that count? :)

[straycat]

I looked in on a ballroom lesson from a long way away once, does that count? :)

There was no real conviction in your gaze, your toes were pointed inwards while you were standing there, and you were holding the binoculars like you were afraid of them! You won't be winning any medals that way...

[Sparkles]

But there are three World Championships... :confused:

I'm always amazed to see that there are still people on this forum who bother to argue with you :rofl: :flower:

[TheTramp]

I'm always amazed to see that there are still people on this forum who bother to argue with you :rofl: :flower:

Is that the £1 argument, or the course of 10 (for £8).

[Lou]

I'm always amazed to see that there are still people on this forum who bother to argue with you :rofl: :flower::yeah:
Although, I've taken to agreeing with him now. It unsettles him...

[Lory]

It was a great start to the series...I think they gave the right dances to the right men for the first week, it gave them all a chance to show their 'best' sides.:)

I agree with the decision of who went out ;) (IMO, Jimmy Tarbuck is next, then Matt Dawson for the men)

Dj Spoony and Ray Fearon both impressed me and that Mark Ramprakash is extremely easy on the eye!:yum:

I hated Tess Daly's dress too, it was absolutely horrid!:confused: :sick:

Also, about that 'lack of kiss', how are they ever going to impress Arlene with no passion? We all know what she likes! :devil:

Schmeichel looked as if he was the one who'd improved the most. In the initial footage of the rehearsals, I didn't hold much hope for him at all :sad: but he surprised me. :clap: (but if he doesn't do well, I'm sure Santa could find a job for him :whistle: )


The best bit of the show for me was the professionals performance! I'm always impressed with the contestants and the choreography of their routines but suddenly, it's all put into perspective when the REAL DEAL perform... the speed and precision and the energy and polish, is absolutely awesome! :worthy: :respect:

[David Bailey]

:yeah:
Although, I've taken to agreeing with him now. It unsettles him...

Right, fine. Err...

Well, anyway, the reason I raised this whole thing was that I wasn't sure about whether the pros on SCD are the "top of the game", or just middle-rankers, and the plethora of awards and competitions just confused me more.

So, are these guys (yes, even Anton) a bit past it, are they genuinely the top pros, or were they chosen because thet gave good telly? Because, based on the competition results, I couldn't tell - in fact, based on the results I might even conclude that they're middle-rankers. Yes, even Anton.

I'm happy to be proved wrong - I genuinely wanted to know which championships were worhtwhile and which were clutter...

[Dizzy]

Have looked on the website and found out that next week, the girls will be competing while the men will be doing a group West Coast Swing :clap:

The interesting thing that has come up - Who will be be teaching them this week?

All the WCS teachers we know are competing in Boogie in the Bay in the US at the moment :confused:

It will be great to see them doing WCS finally though :clap:

[David Bailey]

Have looked on the website and found out that next week, the girls will be competing while the men will be doing a group West Coast Swing :clap:
Blimey, let's hope they don't all turn snooty overnight :rofl:


It will be great to see them doing WCS finally though :clap:
I'm not really a big fan of this "group dance" thing - it always feels a bit forced to me. I know why they do it - variety and time constraints - but I'd rather have them just dancing in a group rather than trying all this fancy interaction stuff.

The only group dance that I liked was (quelle surprise) the AT professional demo thing from last year - and none of those 3 couples interacted with each other.

[Gojive]

My TV schedule is buggered already! :mad: ...apparently, there's no ITT tomorrow. For some strange reason, they're choosing to show a football match between The Ukraine and some bunch of minnows! :eek: :angry: :tears:

:wink:

[ElaineB]

I watched tonight's show - what have they done to Brendon? It looks as though he has really chilled and turned into a supportive human after all. :clap: In fairness though, I think that Claire is giving it her best and he obviously respects that.

Re Wednesday night - football????????????? That'll halve the audience on Beeb 2 then! :D

Elaine

[David Bailey]

I watched tonight's show - what have they done to Brendon? It looks as though he has really chilled and turned into a supportive human after all. :clap: In fairness though, I think that Claire is giving it her best and he obviously respects that.
Nah, it's just a different narrative, that's all - they're now playing the Bad Couple angle, so they can't be seen to bicker in public.

I loved Anton's commentaries on the female professionals on ITT tonight - very good. I think they are grooming him for a presentational role - once he stops competing, that is.

If I had to guess, I'd say his game plan is to give it one / two more goes as a competitor, and then try for presenter. I bet he'd be good at it, too.

[Gojive]

I watched tonight's show - what have they done to Brendon? It looks as though he has really chilled and turned into a supportive human after all. :clap: In fairness though, I think that Claire is giving it her best and he obviously respects that.

Re Wednesday night - football????????????? That'll halve the audience on Beeb 2 then! :D

Elaine

Halve?....you think there are that many Ukrainians watching BBC 2 then Elaine? :eek: :D

[Gojive]

I loved Anton's commentaries on the female professionals on ITT tonight - very good. I think they are grooming him for a presentational role - once he stops competing, that is.

If I had to guess, I'd say his game plan is to give it one / two more goes as a competitor, and then try for presenter. I bet he'd be good at it, too.

Hmmm.....maybe they've found a replacement for Brucie? :whistle:

[David Bailey]

Hmmm.....maybe they've found a replacement for Brucie? :whistle:
That was the suggestion made a while back, yes.

He's got the chin for it :)

[Gojive]

That was the suggestion made a while back, yes.

He's got the chin for it :)

Yyyyyes, I think you're right. If it happend though, would the ratings go higher or lower do you think? :yum:

[ElaineB]

I loved Anton's commentaries on the female professionals on ITT tonight - very good. I think they are grooming him for a presentational role - once he stops competing, that is.

If I had to guess, I'd say his game plan is to give it one / two more goes as a competitor, and then try for presenter. I bet he'd be good at it, too.

Good point, although he may have to brush up on Brucies jokes! :wink:

Elaine

[jivecat]

Good point, although he may have to brush up on Brucies jokes! :wink:

Elaine

I thought he was brilliant at stand-up comedy? He'd have to acquire some broadcasting experience, though - it's probably much harder than it looks to do Brucie's job as (apparently) badly as he does.

[clevedonboy]

I noticed that the series link option on Sky+ for ITT has not picked up tomorrow's show (perhaps it got upset cause I shouted at the TV when Westlife were allowed to sing their latest dirge) - anyone else using that might want to check it.

[Almost an Angel]

Have looked on the website and found out that next week, the girls will be competing while the men will be doing a group West Coast Swing :clap:

The interesting thing that has come up - Who will be be teaching them this week?

All the WCS teachers we know are competing in Boogie in the Bay in the US at the moment :confused:

It will be great to see them doing WCS finally though :clap:



A little birdie told me that Ryan & Jenny will be teaching them the Group WCS, and will also be performing on Saturday night on the Show.

Only problem is I'll be at Rebel Yell so will have to record it. :(

Will be interesting to watch what they do with it- it may well have a swing (lindy) flavour.

Angel

[latinlover]

I noticed that the series link option on Sky+ for ITT has not picked up tomorrow's show (perhaps it got upset cause I shouted at the TV when Westlife were allowed to sing their latest dirge) - anyone else using that might want to check it.


clearly it was correct as they showed Bl**dy football instead ***$£"?*&&^%$&^%$$£!£"(@!
and I made a particular point of leaving work on time

[David Bailey]

Just noticed - why isn't this thread in "The Land of 1000 dances"?

Could some moderator move it please?

[David Bailey]

Classic line from Anton on ITT tonight:
"This year, I'm going to win. I know, because it says so in my contract"

:rofl:

And, sorry, but Anton's not exactly been gifted with wonder-partners so far has he? Gloria Hunniford, Esther Rantzen, that opera bird... :rolleyes:

[mrs_warwick]

Classic line from Anton on ITT tonight:
"This year, I'm going to win. I know, because it says so in my contract"

:rofl:

And, sorry, but Anton's not exactly been gifted with wonder-partners so far has he? Gloria Hunniford, Esther Rantzen, that opera bird... :rolleyes:

Gloria Hunniford was Darren Bennett's partnet; Anton's partner was Patsy Palmer

He was third in the first series with Lesley Garrett (that opera bird), and the really wooden lad from Eastenders was second. Starting from eight couples.

[David Bailey]

Gloria Hunniford was Darren Bennett's partnet; Anton's partner was Patsy Palmer

He was third in the first series with Lesley Garrett (that opera bird), and the really wooden lad from Eastenders was second. Starting from eight couples.
Look, you want accuracy and wit? :na:

Fair enough, I sit corrected. But I still reckon he's had poor luck in his partners so far.

[Ballroom queen]

Hi all,
In answer to a few comments, please, Anton isn't past it - he's awesome, he can just earn more now not competing!!! (They haven't competed for 18 months).

Darren and lilia were fantastic last night at the dance comp at the albert hall - great to see Cerocers there - obviously moving to ballroom - proper dancing, as my hero (Anton) calls it. (Tee hee hee)

Anyway, D&L got to the top 12 Prof Latin - obviously came 7th as they weren't in the last 6.

What a fantastic evening of dresses, competition, and even me getting to quickstep at the Albert Hall !!!

[Lory]

What a fantastic evening of dresses, competition, and even me getting to quickstep at the Albert Hall !!!

I didn't see you there (so many people) but WOW Yesssss, it was spectacular :worthy: :waycool:

[David Bailey]

Darren and lilia were fantastic last night at the dance comp at the albert hall - great to see Cerocers there - obviously moving to ballroom - proper dancing, as my hero (Anton) calls it. (Tee hee hee)
Maybe one day Anton will be good enough to do AT then :na: :rofl:

As Saturday is Ladies' Day, does anyone have any hot tips? I think Louisa and Vincent will be good, and Emma & Darren are a shoe-in for the first few weeks, but what about the others?

[mrs_warwick]

Maybe one day Anton will be good enough to do AT then :na: :rofl:

As Saturday is Ladies' Day, does anyone have any hot tips? I think Louisa and Vincent will be good, and Emma & Darren are a shoe-in for the first few weeks, but what about the others?

I am looking forward to seeing how Jan and Anton do; according to It Takes Two last night they have trained for 96 hours! which is at least 12 hours more than any other couple. Of course, it does depend how much of that time they spent dancing and how much time giggling!
I would like to see Carole do well, but I'm not interested in the soap stars, or their partners (I have never liked Brendan).

[Gojive]

Here's the TV schedule (at this moment in time anyway) for the next week...



The main show - Sat 14th Oct, BBC 1, 17:50-19:00
The results - Sat 14th Oct, BBC 1, 21:15-21:40
Highlights - Sun 15th Oct, BBC 2, 19:00-20:00
ITT - Mon 16th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Tue 17th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Wed 18th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Thu 19th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Fri 20th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00


Enjoy! :waycool:

[sparkledancer]

[QUOTE=DavidJames;291593] I think Louisa and Vincent will be good, and QUOTE]

Not sure i agree with you!! Watched 'It takes too tonight' and she wasnt that great....her bum was sticking out and created a gap for a bus to go through between her and Vincent. Plus the routine looked a bit too much for a beginner. Im sure i saw scatter chasses!! :confused:
Saying that i don't think she will go this week and i reckon she will do well.

S. xx

[bigdjiver]

My TV schedule is buggered already! :mad: ...apparently, there's no ITT tomorrow. For some strange reason, they're choosing to show a football match between The Ukraine and some bunch of minnows! :eek: :angry: :tears:

:wink::devil: If Anton had the night off perhaps he could have given Paul Robinson some footwork tips.

[Lynn]

So what was that Swing dance all about? At times they singled out a couple - I noticed at least one time it said they were doing WCS but it looked more like ballroom jive or East Coast (in my admittedly limited understanding). I know it was supposed to be a mix of East and West but I think they may have lost the distinctiveness of each somewhere in the middle perhaps?

[FirstMove]

Ok, I'm no connoisseur, but there hardly appeared to be any WCS or ECS in the Mens' routine. And the Ladies' dancing had me yawning for Britain :( Better next week please!

[DJ Andy]

I agree Lynn.It looked to me like the BBC got the captions round the wrong way- WCS was at the beginning,followed by ECS ?

[Lynn]

More blurring of dance names - they announce a lindy hop - Jenny and Ryan do a fab lindy, then the professionals do ballroom jive.

I'm sad Ian is out (Ok, mainly because I like watching him dancing :drool: ).

[Sheepman]

I noticed at least one time it said they were doing WCS but it looked more like ballroom jive or East Coast (in my admittedly limited understanding). I know it was supposed to be a mix of East and West but I think they may have lost the distinctiveness of each somewhere in the middle perhaps?

I can't comment on the ECS, but that certainly wasn't WCS, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! OK, some of the moves are done in WCS, but I do rumba moves in my jive, it doesn't make it rumba!
I'd be interested to know who was doing the teaching, and I wonder how much knowledge of the dance the judges have.

Greg

[Lynn]

I can't comment on the ECS, but that certainly wasn't WCS, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! OK, some of the moves are done in WCS, but I do rumba moves in my jive, it doesn't make it rumba!
I'd be interested to know who was doing the teaching, and I wonder how much knowledge of the dance the judges have. From earlier in this thread -
A little birdie told me that Ryan & Jenny will be teaching them the Group WCS, and will also be performing on Saturday night on the Show.
...
Will be interesting to watch what they do with it- it may well have a swing (lindy) flavour. Not sure what sort of a flavour it ended up with! But it didn't seem very much like anything I have seen of WCS to date.

[Lory]

I can't comment on the ECS, but that certainly wasn't WCS, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry!

:yeah: It didn't represent WCS in any form that i've ever seen before either! :confused:

[Blueshoes]

I liked Peter's lift (equivalent in jive called the candlestick?). Any lady out there interested in practicing it? :whistle:

[bigdjiver]

I liked Peter's lift (equivalent in jive called the candlestick?). Any lady out there interested in practicing it? :whistle::devil: And you, naturally, are willing to do the follower role?

[Minnie M]

Yesterday during our Lindy lesson at Rebel Yell, Ryan & Jenny told us they had been teaching WCS for the show and how very hard it was getting the dancers to understand WCS

The reason she said this was because most of the dancers in the Rebel Yell class where wcs dancers and they where doing wcs steps and styling whilst R & J were trying to teach Lindy :what:

BTW R&J's Lindy classes were fab !

Can't wait to see the highlights this evening :yeah:

[David Bailey]

I've just got me nice little iPod Nano :clap: - yay, I'm only 2 years behind everyone else!

I too was a bit surprised by the iTunes requirement - it's cetainly not well-publicised.

I also expected to be able to copy songs from my iPod, I kept thinking of it like a USB stick or something, and it's taken a while to get used to the client-server model it uses. But I'll get there, I'm sure.

[drathzel]

Can't wait to see the highlights this evening :yeah:

:yeah: i missed it cuz i took jake to see the belfast giants play!

[David Bailey]

stuff
OK, can we just pretend that comment should be in the iPod thread, not the SCD thread :rolleyes:

(Blame my advancing years :tears: )

Anyway, what I meant to say was - I missed it :tears: - thought it was on later, and I only caught the last 10 minutes :(

[Gojive]

OK, can we just pretend that comment should be in the iPod thread, not the SCD thread :rolleyes:

(Blame my advancing years :tears: )

Anyway, what I meant to say was - I missed it :tears: - thought it was on later, and I only caught the last 10 minutes :(

Highlights are on tonight David - BBC 2, 19:00 :)

[David Bailey]

Highlights are on tonight David - BBC 2, 19:00 :)
Thanks - I've got an offer of a video tape, I'll take that as well.

Why oh why oh why oh why did the Beeb think it was a good idea to reverse the order of SCD and Robin Hood this week? :mad:

And Robin Hood was rubbish too - Robin of Sherwood was much better, and that was 20 years ago.

[Nick M]

How do you think the judges should have reacted to Brendan's illegal lifts? No point in just being cross with him - water off a duck's back I should think. I would suggest they should give zero marks all round - that might make him think twice.

[Lynn]

Yesterday during our Lindy lesson at Rebel Yell, Ryan & Jenny told us they had been teaching WCS for the show and how very hard it was getting the dancers to understand WCS

The reason she said this was because most of the dancers in the Rebel Yell class where wcs dancers and they where doing wcs steps and styling whilst R & J were trying to teach Lindy :what:I mentioned to someone this week that I wanted learn WCS but couldn't find any classes and they told me to go to the local swing class. I said that was a lindy class (I know, I went to it for several months) - his attitude was 'So? Same thing.' :rolleyes:

I guess I should be used to it, with people thinking I do ballroom tango when I say I do AT.

[Dallen]

I wonder will we ever see a Ceroc routine on Strictly Come Dancing? Those taking part in the competition who were very nervous seemed to have done best so far.
It's good when two people get on well with each other or rather gel together, those who can laugh and work hard at the same time.
I find with beginners in the Belfast class at least that it is good to be patient with them and from the point of view of a male leading a female to encourage them to relax their arms, which helps when turning or returning the lady, to make the move as smooth as possible.
Can anyone tell me anything about the judges in Strictly Come Dancing?

[Lynn]

Why oh why oh why oh why did the Beeb think it was a good idea to reverse the order of SCD and Robin Hood this week? :mad:

And Robin Hood was rubbish too - Robin of Sherwood was much better, and that was 20 years ago.Huh, what I want to know is why they think its a good idea to show Torchwood on BBC3! Grump. :mad:

[Lynn]

It's good when two people get on well with each other or rather gel together, those who can laugh and work hard at the same time. The partnerships like this in SCD are often the ones that do well as they get the audience's vote, which is partly why I was a little surprised at Ian and Mica going - I think they were developing a good rapport and he was very supportive of her.

Much as I enjoy watching the ones who do well right at the start, one of the things I love about this show is seeing those for whom dancing is a new and strange world, begin to improve and to really love dancing. I think that happened with Darren last year and it was good to hear last night that he's still dancing!

[bigdjiver]

How do you think the judges should have reacted to Brendan's illegal lifts? No point in just being cross with him - water off a duck's back I should think. I would suggest they should give zero marks all round - that might make him think twice.In an MJ comp he would have been disqualified if lifts were prohibited. Odd that they are so particular about the feet pointing this-a-way and the head held that-a-way whilst major transgressions get minor punishments, if any. I was expecting that sort of score not knowing lifts were forbidden.

[David Bailey]

I wonder will we ever see a Ceroc routine on Strictly Come Dancing?
Almost certainly not - that'd be classed as advertising, as Ceroc is a commercial organisation.

But it's barely conceivable that there may be a display of "modern jive" at some point, maybe as one of the group dances or something.


Can anyone tell me anything about the judges in Strictly Come Dancing?
There's some judge information on the BBC website:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/about/judges.shtml

Hope that helps :)

[David Bailey]

How do you think the judges should have reacted to Brendan's illegal lifts? No point in just being cross with him - water off a duck's back I should think. I would suggest they should give zero marks all round - that might make him think twice.
Didn't see that, damnit :(

As bigdjiver says - in a proper competition that'd be a disqualification, wouldn't it?

Actually, is there any disqualification mechanism in SCD? I can't see anything on the website about the SCD rules...?

[David Bailey]

Well, I saw the highlights, and it was very interesting.

I loved the quickstep from Georgina and Vincent - it was incredibly brave of Vincent to choreograph a long separated start, and they just flew across the floor after that - full of energy and fun. I literally had goosebumps. Look at me, I'm gushing :blush:

Brendan - blimey, how on Earth did he get 21 / 40 for that? Surely the judges should have given him 1's for those lifts? Oh well, she's not good enough to progress much further anyway.

The WCS / ECS / Lindy thing - yeah, what was all that about? :confused:

Mark and Karen looked great in that, but Ray Fearon looked, well, not good.

So, my "Top 3" predictions are:
Mark and Karen
Emma and Darren
Louisa and Vincent

(Spoony... well, maybe, let's see how he does...)

[Lynn]

I loved the quickstep from Georgina and Vincent - Louisa and Vincent maybe? :whistle:

The WCS / ECS / Lindy thing - yeah, what was all that about? :confused:

Mark and Karen looked great in that, but Ray Fearon looked, well, not good. Agree, on watching that again, that Mark looked very good in that one.

[David Bailey]

Tarby's definitely not well :( :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6053340.stm

[Msfab]

:yeah: It didn't represent WCS in any form that i've ever seen before either! :confused:


I did see something that resembled a sugar push :rolleyes: .

[Gojive]

Tarby's definitely not well :( :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6053340.stm

Well no news of Tarby's health on ITT tonight. I'm hoping that's a good sign, and that he's expected to be resuming this week.

[David Bailey]

Well no news of Tarby's health on ITT tonight. I'm hoping that's a good sign, and that he's expected to be resuming this week.

I dunno. I was reading an article in the Mail (yes, again!) today about him, and he's really not a well bunny. He's 66 years old, he's overweight, he does no exercise, and he's being asked to do a lot physically. His doctor has said he's not well.

Honestly, I don't think he should be in it - I'm gutted to say it, because I love watching Flavia :drool:.

But I wouldn't want anyone to suffer health problems or worse. In fact, I think there should be a physical checkup before starting. Everyone assumes dancing isn't dangerous - right up until you get your first injury.

[Lynn]

I did see something that resembled a sugar push :rolleyes: .Yes, (in the bit they labelled East Coast Swing I think, just to confuse everyone) and there was an element of dancing in a slot. Just about.

[Gojive]

I dunno. I was reading an article in the Mail (yes, again!) today about him, and he's really not a well bunny. He's 66 years old, he's overweight, he does no exercise, and he's being asked to do a lot physically. His doctor has said he's not well.

Honestly, I don't think he should be in it - I'm gutted to say it, because I love watching Flavia :drool:.

But I wouldn't want anyone to suffer health problems or worse. In fact, I think there should be a physical checkup before starting. Everyone assumes dancing isn't dangerous - right up until you get your first injury.

I'd be very suprised if all contestants weren't given thorough examinations/health checks prior to signing up?....especially with likes of the Jive and Quickstep to do :eek:

Like you, I'd love to see much more of Flavia in this series, but also like you, not at the expense of someone's health. Here's hoping that he's going to be fine - or at the very least if he's really that unwell, that common sense prevails and he leaves the show for his own good.

[Keith J]

West Coast Swing, but not as we know it Jim! (trekkies tribute there, but sorry this looked like as much like WCS as my armpit)

[David Bailey]

From the clips on ITT tonight, I have to say Fearon looked good at the tango - again, another "attitude" dance, I wonder if they're deliberately choosing performance dances for the celeb guys at the start? Mark looked wooden, alas :tears:

However, I can't wait to see Vincent and Louisa do the Jive, they should be fantastic. Unlike Anton, who looked like he was going through Hell On Earth (did anyone else notice his absence from the group jive on Saturday?).

[Lynn]

From the clips on ITT tonight, I have to say Fearon looked good at the tango - again, another "attitude" dance,Agree. :D
Mark looked wooden, alas :tears:Yep.:(

Unlike Anton, who looked like he was going through Hell On Earth (did anyone else notice his absence from the group jive on Saturday?).Also :yeah: .


I'm agreeing with you far too much DJ! :what:

[Minnie M]

Yes, (in the bit they labelled East Coast Swing I think, just to confuse everyone) and there was an element of dancing in a slot. Just about.

I think they got the East Coast and the West Coast the wrong way round :rolleyes:

Have to agree I didn't see anything that resembled WCS - I think Jenny Thomas said that she had never taught it before :whistle: However the second part of the demonstration did resemble East Coast Swing even though it was labelled West Coast :confused:

East Coast Swing resembles Rock 'n' Roll with lifts and tricks - David & Lily Barker are East Cost Swing Champs - hopefully they saw the show (or the highlights) and can post their comments :flower:

[Juju]

Slightly off the point, but after all the discussion about the merits - or otherwise - of our Brucie, I have a confession to make. I love Len Goodman!

I know nothing about anything, but I do love his little masterclasses and his wonderful turns of phrase - who else could get Claudia Winkleman in a close hold and ask her to feel his "bony knob", at teatime, on BBC2 - and get away with it?! The man is a Legend.

Yum Yum Pig's Bum, I say.

[mrs_warwick]

Slightly off the point, but after all the discussion about the merits - or otherwise - of our Brucie, I have a confession to make. I love Len Goodman!

I know nothing about anything, but I do love his little masterclasses and his wonderful turns of phrase - who else could get Claudia Winkleman in a close hold and ask her to feel his "bony knob", at teatime, on BBC2 - and get away with it?! The man is a Legend.

Yum Yum Pig's Bum, I say.

You are not alone - his masterclasses are my favourite part of ITT.

[clevedonboy]

who else could get Claudia Winkleman in a close hold and ask her to feel his "bony knob", at teatime, on BBC2 - and get away with it?!




Or describe the foot action for Jive as "Kicking a weasel up the bum" :rofl:

[Lory]

I love Len Goodman!



:yeah: Me too, I love his little quips, they're so witty. :na:

But more than that, his observations of the dancers are brilliant!

Sometimes you can't put your finger on 'why' one couple looks better, you just know they do but he manages to see the problem. When he said about the newsreaders 'silly face' and the angle of his body (ably demonstrated by him) it shouted out at me, yesss, the angle was all wrong! We could all see the problem with Fiona's arm but not so obvious was the gap (or what ever he called it?) between the couples and how naff it made the dance look but after showing examples of the good and the bad, it became glaringly obvious!;)

So a big :worthy: to Len!

[Feelingpink]

... David & Lily Barker are East Cost Swing Champs - hopefully they saw the show (or the highlights) and can post their comments :flower:I think DavidB has left the forum, after some horrid rudeness a month or two ago. :sad:

[David Bailey]

I think DavidB has left the forum, after some horrid rudeness a month or two ago. :sad:
Nah, he's just on the grownups' forum instead. Ooh, hold on, does that mean I get a shot at a name change to use my initials? :)

Anyway, thoughts from ITT tonight:

Mark, unfortunately, looked poor.
Anton also looked poor.
Fearon looked excellent.
Matt, surprisingly, also looked good.
Spoony looked poor.
Vincent and Louisa will be good I think


The two obvious worst dancers left are Tarby and Georgina, of course - assuming Tarby's well, that is, still no clips of him. My money'd be on Georgina leaving on Sat.

It's strange, but you can tell just from the clips who's doing well, can't you?

[Lynn]

The two obvious worst dancers left are Tarby and Georgina, of course - assuming Tarby's well, that is, still no clips of him. My money'd be on Georgina leaving on Sat. There was a clip of Tarby last night. Agree that Georgina probably most likely to go, as even if Tarby can dance, he'd probably get public votes for getting up and giving it a go, despite missing a lot of practice and not being well.

[Lynn]

Quote of the evening tonight from Craig 'you need to have isolation, obviously'. :D It wasn't obvious to Claudia. I can imagine lots of viewers trying to fit 'isolation' into their idea of partner dancing. :rofl:(Though I'm sure some might want to see Brendan put in solitary...)

Ah well, we know what he's talking about. :D

[Feelingpink]

Quote of the evening tonight from Craig 'you need to have isolation, obviously'. :D It wasn't obvious to Claudia. I can imagine lots of viewers trying to fit 'isolation' into their idea of partner dancing. :rofl:(Though I'm sure some might want to see Brendan put in solitary...)

Ah well, we know what he's talking about. :DClaudia did say she's come back to it another time ... guess we'll have to wait. :whistle:

[Lou]

Tarby's out. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6069436.stm

I wonder how they'll deal with the change in the number of dancers left.

[Lynn]

Tarby's out. :( Poor Tarby. :( Best though, as I would say its a pretty stressful thing to dance live! I hope he's at least able to get along some week to watch and cheer the rest on.

[Will]

Tarby's out. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6069436.stm

I wonder how they'll deal with the change in the number of dancers left.
I was just about to post this little gem of information myself, only to find that Lou™ has got there first! :mad:

[FirstMove]

They usually have three couples in the final week, I bet they just have two now.

[ElaineB]

How about bringing back one of the competitors from the last series? Colin Jackson maybe...........:yum:

Elaine

[Juju]

How about bringing back one of the competitors from the last series? Colin Jackson maybe...........:yum:

I'd have Zoe Ball back. She should have won series three. I loved that they showed her Tango from last series on "It Takes Two" tonight - loved the dance, loved the music, loved her fabulous frock.

[jivecat]

It would be good to give Flavia another partner so she could be kept in the competition.

[Gojive]

Here's the TV schedule for the coming week:



The main show - Sat 21st Oct, BBC 1, 17:45-19:15
Results - Sat 21st Oct, BBC 1, 21:35-22:05
Highlights - Sun 22nd Oct, BBC 2, 19:00-20:00
ITT - Mon 23rd Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Tue 24th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Wed 25th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Thu 26th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Fri 27th Oct, BBC 2, 18:30-19:00


NOTE! The show starts earlier still this Saturday, but on the plus side, it's an hour and a half long! I can't recall any of the previous series shows being this long...but I'm not complaining :D

Enjoy! :waycool:

[Peter]

Tarby's out. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6069436.stm

I wonder how they'll deal with the change in the number of dancers left.

If they follow the same solution as in the USA show last week (and in the German show earlier in the year), no couple will leave on Sat and the scores will be carried over to next week.

[Lynn]

How about bringing back one of the competitors from the last series? Colin Jackson maybe...........:yum:I like that idea!

I dozed off :blush: during ITT and didn't notice if they mentioned that Tarby was out, but they did refer to their being 12 couples dancing tonight - so maybe they have a replacement?

[ElaineB]

Louisa and Vincent - :respect: Wow, that girl can move! Out of the male celebs., Mark and Karen did it for me! Brilliant! :clap:

The choreography seems to be getting more and more complicated as well, as some of the celebs seem to be able to take it!

Poor Anton and Jan though...........


Elaine

[Lynn]

Well I thought Louisa and Vincent were fab, esp since they haven't been able to dance for most of the week. :respect:

A couple of pretty poor performances from Jan and Georgina - but there is really no place to hide bad dancing in the jive and I think they are both really struggling.

But - no really bad male dancers - no Chris Parkers or Julian Clarys likely to get through on enthusiasm alone - I think all the men managed some attitude and style in the tango this week. Esp Mark, who didn't look so good in rehearsals, and even Spoony - till he gave in and grinned!

But what was with the tango music? I ended up pressing the mute button for one dance, I just didn't want to watch tango to Eleanor Rigsby! (It was actually a good way of focusing on the movement with the music off.)

[FirstMove]

I thought Eleanor Rigby was an inspired choice for the Tango :na:

I think any of the top 5 might win it. I didn't see week one, but I think Matt Dawson showed alot of promise. Louisa put in a very confident performance - she'll be there at the end.

The choreography was pretty impressive for week 3. It's a shame that we now have to watch several weeks of the more boring dances :(

[Feelingpink]

Well I thought Louisa and Vincent were fab, esp since they haven't been able to dance for most of the week. :respect:

Definitely - amazing - she was really light and energetic. Maybe it's going to be 'her' dance of the series.


But what was with the tango music? I ended up pressing the mute button for one dance, I just didn't want to watch tango to Eleanor Rigsby! (It was actually a good way of focusing on the movement with the music off.):yeah: What horrid choices - with only one 'real' sounding tango.

Loved Erin's dress & hair! :awe:

[Yogi_Bear]

Definitely - amazing - she was really light and energetic. Maybe it's going to be 'her' dance of the series.

:yeah: What horrid choices - with only one 'real' sounding tango.

Loved Erin's dress & hair! :awe:

'Money, money money' for a tango? Bizarre. Beats even 'Eleanor Rigby'.
First programme I've seen all the way through, and the standard of dance is so good!
Georgina - great dress, glad she's still there. Not to mention Brendon and partner, the ones with the 'filthy' Rumba last week. Looking forward to seeing them again.
Not that impressed with Tarby being there in the first place, one of Bruce's old buddies well past his sell by date....
I'm aslo really glad Anton will be back, through a sympathy vote - his partner is hopeless.
Wish they would stop reminding Emma about the Spice Girls all the time.
Amusing to see the judges faces when the result was announced.

[drathzel]

I do agree that the tango music was a bit out there, not my choice at all but i dont tango so i just assumed the experts knew something i didnt when chosing the songs. I suppose its all about keeping the public interested with music they know.

Louisa and vincents jive was fab, i am soooo jealous. I liked emma's jive too.

Oh and i disagree with Len, Mark and Karen's Tango was the best of the night.

[dance cat]

Working on the computer and forgot to go and watch the results. Please can someone tell me who went out?:tears:

[drathzel]

Working on the computer and forgot to go and watch the results. Please can someone tell me who went out?:tears:

ola and spoony:(

[dance cat]

Can only conclude then that the British public have no common sense. That means we have to put up with the embarassment of Georgina for another week.:tears:

[Lynn]

Can only conclude then that the British public have no common sense. That means we have to put up with the embarassment of Georgina for another week.:tears:You think the British public have common sense? :rolleyes:

This happens every series. The judges are really critical of one or more couples - quite harsh in some comments as well as giving low scores, and the public then phone in and vote a lot for the bottom few - and its often those a few places from bottom who end up leaving. Thus we can end up with a Chris Parker in the final etc.

Ola and Spoony definitely weren't the worst, the judges seemed a bit shocked, but what do they expect? They know how the 'sympathy vote' thing works by now.

The tango music was disappointing - esp as they played both Santa Maria (which seems to be on TV every other day!) and Una Musical Brutal on ITT when reviewing the tango. Ballroom tango is even 'sharper' than AT and so needs more dramatic music. You can do AT to non tango music (in some schools of thought!) because you can be very interpretative - but in the ballroom dances on SCD they have a certain amount of set footwork they have to incorperate and it was hard to make that match the very inappropriate music

And I know it was Rigby not Rigbsy before DJ points it out...

[Rhythm King]

A bit shocked - they were gobsmacked!

But never mind the fact that Spoony was dancing far better than Georgina (or that people were voting for Anton rather than Jan :rolleyes: ) the real tragedy is....

No more Ola! :tears: :tears: :tears:

[Mr Cool]

Only saw two dances last night that was enough for me.

I think they should rename the program Strictly not to the Music :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:waycool: :waycool: :waycool: :waycool:

[Juju]

Totally agree about the choice of music for the Tango - some real shockers. And Ola deserved to go, just for wearing hot pink to dance to it. Should be black, or red - not pink.

[drathzel]

No more Ola! :tears: :tears: :tears:

:hug: at least now she is free to dance with whoever she wants!:wink:

[purple~emma]

I've never watched Strictly Come Dancing til this series but I've really got into it.

I was surprised to see that one of the Male dncers went. I was convinced it was going to be a female celebrity leaving the competition because I saw only two jives that impressed me. I know the jive is an energetic dance, but most of the contestants looked as if they were struggling to breathe by half way through.

I'm hoping that after being given a second chance this week Georgina will improve for next week because I liked Spoony's tango, even if he did mess up a bit. Lol.

[ElaineB]

A bit shocked - they were gobsmacked!

But never mind the fact that Spoony was dancing far better than Georgina (or that people were voting for Anton rather than Jan :rolleyes: ) the real tragedy is....

No more Ola! :tears: :tears: :tears:

It may be that Ola didn't play the 'public friendly' card well enough. I did notice that in some of the clips she seemed to be a little bit 'precious' and her attitude to Spoony at times was denegrating. She is a fabulous dancer, with a figure to die for, but she may need to learn the art of PR!

I am really sorry to see them go out though - I would have expected them to go quite a long way! On the up side, I expect we will now see a lot more of her performing in the 'professional' slots.

Talking of PR, did anyone else notice the audience reaction when Craig told Emma Bunton that he thinks very highly of her and that she knew it? Could that be the kiss of death for her?

Elaine

[Feelingpink]

Totally agree about the choice of music for the Tango - some real shockers. And Ola deserved to go, just for wearing hot pink to dance to it. Should be black, or red - not pink.Hmmm, and if black or red don't suit you? Why only black or red? I don't know that the competitors get much say in what they wear.

[tiger]

So; who'll be out next week then?

[Juju]

Hmmm, and if black or red don't suit you? Why only black or red? I don't know that the competitors get much say in what they wear.

Because the Tango is about love and death, right? 'I love you, but I hate you more - and once we've finished dancing I'm sticking this here stiletto between your shoulder blades.'

It's not a pink dance.

[Dreamer]

It's not a pink dance.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

If I wasn't too tight to pay £6 for Silver Membership I'd adopt that as my Sig.

Have some rep:D

[Feelingpink]

Because the Tango is about love and death, right? 'I love you, but I hate you more - and once we've finished dancing I'm sticking this here stiletto between your shoulder blades.'

It's not a pink dance.:confused: Every dance is a pink dance :devil: :devil:

Seriously, though, I guess we just won't agree on the red or black - mostly because the two colours don't suit everyone.

[Lynn]

Because the Tango is about love and death, right? 'I love you, but I hate you more - and once we've finished dancing I'm sticking this here stiletto between your shoulder blades.'

It's not a pink dance.My fav outfit for the tango was Erin's - it had black, but no red and some lovely pink round the bottom.

But I guess ballroom tango is quite different from AT - I don't think of death as part of the AT tango feeling. Never danced ballroom tango so I don't know what feeling its supposed to generate.

(OK I do like red and black for tango, but I love pink too!)

[Lou]

It's not a pink dance.
:D Pink is the new black...

[Feelingpink]

:D Pink is the new black...Lou and Lynn ... "you're my favourites!" :hug: :hug:

[Lynn]

Lou and Lynn ... "you're my favourites!" :hug: :hug:We're not that bad are we? :rofl:

Speaking of pink - saw a dreamy pair of pink and sparkly dance shoes on Ebay last night. :drool: And they came in purple too!

[Feelingpink]

We're not that bad are we? :rofl:

Speaking of pink - saw a dreamy pair of pink and sparkly dance shoes on Ebay last night. :drool: And they came in purple too!Feel free to PM me the reference number. Okay, pink hijack over ... SCD posts can recommence ... at 7pm tomorrow, if not before. :blush:

[David Bailey]

OK, having watched the highlights, I still literally get goosebumps every time I watch Vincent and Louisa dance. It's spooky...

Now, OK, fair enough, we haven't seen them do ballroom yet - but these guys just look wonderful.

Mark gets better and better, as well.

I was disappointed to see Spoony go - and annoyed that the sympathy-vote celeb stays in whilst credible dancers get chucked. But we're a long way from the nightmare scenario (Georgina as a finalist), so let's not panic just yet.

The other thing that annoyed me re: Spoony was that they were the only ones to dance to proper Tango music :(

[tiger]

this show is catering for the television viewers and doesnt really care what dancers think of it.

[Stuart]

I haven't really been following this series so far as I've been out of the country for two of the three weeks its been on so far. However, from the clips I've seen so far, I think I've seen Mark Ramprakash move his feet far more than he ever did when he was batting for England!

[Minnie M]

...... However, from the clips I've seen so far, I think I've seen Mark Ramprakash move his feet far more than he ever did when he was batting for England!
His fab - I think the best of the male celebs :worthy:

[Jhutch]

I haven't really been following this series so far as I've been out of the country for two of the three weeks its been on so far. However, from the clips I've seen so far, I think I've seen Mark Ramprakash move his feet far more than he ever did when he was batting for England!

Oh, i dont know - he walked to the wicket and then walked back a short time later:wink: (although there was that time where he just stood there for ages after he had been given out!)

I think that the occasion got to Ramps a lot when he was batting for England and that he thought too much about things. In the field i remember someone on test match commentary comparing his athleticism and agility to a gazelle:really: :blush:

[Feelingpink]

I was thinking yesterday that there hadn't been enough discussion on ITT about shoes ... and blow me down, tonight's edition features Peter's special rehearsal shoes. Hooorah! What made me realise was a client who said she was completely glued to SCD - but when we started talking about shoes (well, where else is the conversation going to go? :devil: ) she hadn't realised that you need special ones.

[Gojive]

Nice to see a more technical angle on ITT tonight. Apart from the shoes FP mentioned, I found the pointers made by the Len Goodman lookalike Philip, quite interesting too. More of this please! :waycool:

[mrs_warwick]

Nice to see a more technical angle on ITT tonight. Apart from the shoes FP mentioned, I found the pointers made by the Len Goodman lookalike Philip, quite interesting too. More of this please! :waycool:

:yeah:

We haven't tried using our red button yet, but I might give it a go this weekend.

[Gojive]

:yeah:

We haven't tried using our red button yet, but I might give it a go this weekend.

I've been tempted to hit the red bit in the last couple of weeks too, but I record every show - I'm just a little concerned that the interactive version would result in a smaller 'window of dance' if you know what I mean, so I've bottled out so far :really:

Has anyone recorded the show with the red button pressed? :)

[Ballroom queen]

I've been tempted to hit the red bit in the last couple of weeks too, but I record every show - I'm just a little concerned that the interactive version would result in a smaller 'window of dance' if you know what I mean, so I've bottled out so far :really:

Has anyone recorded the show with the red button pressed? :)

I have a twin tuner humax pvr 9200 so I record both, :grin: :grin:

The interactive is good, they simply commentate on the 90 seconds of dance, nothing else, picture is identical except for it says "expert commentary" at the top of the picture - interferes with the picture far less than the phone number displayed at the bottom. Good if you're watching alone, but in a group you end up doing your our commentary and it would probably be a bit much. Certainly worth a try.

[Gojive]

I have a twin tuner humax pvr 9200 so I record both, :grin: :grin:
Oh you posh mare! ;) :na:




The interactive is good, they simply commentate on the 90 seconds of dance, nothing else, picture is identical except for it says "expert commentary" at the top of the picture - interferes with the picture far less than the phone number displayed at the bottom. Good if you're watching alone, but in a group you end up doing your our commentary and it would probably be a bit much. Certainly worth a try.

Good news, thanks BQ! I'll give it a whirl this Saturday :cheers:

[Lynn]

I was thinking yesterday that there hadn't been enough discussion on ITT about shoes ... and blow me down, tonight's edition features Peter's special rehearsal shoes. Yes and talk of him brushing his shoes and looking after them, and showing him stroking his shoes... I like a man who knows how to get his priorities right!

[David Bailey]

Is it me, or are they showing more arguments in the behind-the-scenes footage this year?

I'm not sure if I like it really - yes, it's good to see occasionally, but it feels a bit intrusive (populist) to me.

[Paul F]

Would anyone have a recorded copy of Thursdays (26th Oct) "SCD: It takes two" ??

If so could you PM me?

[Ballroom queen]

Oh you posh mare! ;) :na:



best piece of kit I've ever bought!

[Gojive]

Sorry it's late, been busy packing for my house move :blush: ...

Here's the TV schedule for the coming week:



The main show - Sat 28th Oct, BBC1, 17:45-19:10
The results - Sat 28th Oct, BBC1, 21:30-21:55
Highlights - Sun 29th Oct, BBC2, 19:00-20:00
ITT - Mon 30th Oct, BBC2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Tue 31st Oct, BBC2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Wed 1st Nov, BBC2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Thu 2nd Nov, BBC2, 18:30-19:00
ITT - Fri 3rd Nov, BBC2, 18:30-19:00


Dances this week, are th Foxtrot and the Paso Doble.

Enjoy! :waycool:

[Lynn]

Liked Mark again tonight. :D Not as much as Arlene seems to though!

I know Brendan was really annoyed with the judges in his usual fashion, but he had a point - there was a lot of inconsistency tonight. I find that I tend to agree most with Len and Craig :what: in that they often comment on what I have observed/thought.

I felt a bit sorry for Louisa as I think they were too harsh - she's only 17 - I know its a competition and that as an actress she must be used to 'bad reviews' - but its still tough hearing those things to your face live on TV and its the first week she's had negative comments. Good to see Georgina improving.

Another typical dress for Tess. Someone must have told her satin was a good look for her....:(

And btw that is not how you muck out horses!:rofl:

[philsmove]

Liked Mark again tonight.


:yeah:


Ramprakash Paso Doble was very impessive, I really hope we get to see him and Karen do AT

[David Bailey]

Liked Mark again tonight. :D Not as much as Arlene seems to though!

He's definitely this year's Colin Jackson. Let's hope no-one asks him to dance with mannequins :sick:


I felt a bit sorry for Louisa as I think they were too harsh - she's only 17 - I know its a competition and that as an actress she must be used to 'bad reviews' - but its still tough hearing those things to your face live on TV and its the first week she's had negative comments.
I disagree - she looked bad, and the judges should be consistent in their approach. They shouldn't make concessions based on age - after all, the don't go easy on the oldies. Louisa was hopping around like crazy - if anything I thought the judges were too kind.

No-one did a good foxtrot - I was expecting high things of Anton but he's clearly been lumbered with a mare again.

And it's a knife-edge down at the bottom. Anyone in the bottom half could leave...

[mrs_warwick]

How could Carol and Matt do the best foxtrot yet score lower than Emma and Darren?

I loved Mark and Karen, Carol and Matt, Ray and Camilla. I thought that Peter and Erin were marked a bit harshly, it was poor, but not that bad.

I read somewhere that Claire King has arthritis and has been advised by her doctors not to continue.

(Oh, I have mucked out horses using my hands, but I've always worn rubber gloves to do it!)

[Lynn]

I disagree - she looked bad, and the judges should be consistent in their approach. They shouldn't make concessions based on age - after all, the don't go easy on the oldies. Louisa was hopping around like crazy - if anything I thought the judges were too kind. I'm not saying they should make concessions and in fact I think Bruno was too nice as he was trying to compensate for the others. I just think that on her first week of getting it all wrong they could have been more constructive than negative in their choice of wording.

And being consistent? Someone can do a good dance and have a small fault (eg facial expression, a minor mis-step) and the judges go on about it at length. The next person can do a much poorer dance, with more mistakes and they only get mentioned in passing.

And it's a knife-edge down at the bottom. Anyone in the bottom half could leave...I knew it wasn't good when Georgina was saying she was glad she wasn't in the bottom two this week - I was thinking, 'hang on, the viewers vote bit hasn't been added yet, don't speak too soon'.
(Oh, I have mucked out horses using my hands, but I've always worn rubber gloves to do it!)Things have clearly changed a lot since I worked in stables. Especially on shavings, a shovel is so much easier. (On straw maybe, when if firm enough they can roll under the otherwise clean bits of straw). So what do you do with the wet patches? :what: (Apologies for the sideline in this discussion, but I'm genuinely curious.)

[Jhutch]

I'm not saying they should make concessions and in fact I think Bruno was too nice as he was trying to compensate for the others. I just think that on her first week of getting it all wrong they could have been more constructive than negative in their choice of wording.

And being consistent? Someone can do a good dance and have a small fault (eg facial expression, a minor mis-step) and the judges go on about it at length. The next person can do a much poorer dance, with more mistakes and they only get mentioned in passing.



Maybe i am being cynical but it is reality TV and if everything is nicey-nice all the time then there will be less 'entertainment' and viewing figures may suffer as a result. A bit of controversy helps get people talking about it, etc (as long as it isnt ridiculous). But then i can be a bit cynical at times:blush:




I knew it wasn't good when Georgina was saying she was glad she wasn't in the bottom two this week - I was thinking, 'hang on, the viewers vote bit hasn't been added yet, don't speak too soon'.

The couple of episodes that i have watched of this year's series have been the first that i have ever watched. I am also new to the forum. For these reasons, i do not know if this has been covered before, but they were saying on the program today how people are more likely to vote for people at the top (because they liked them) or people at the bottom (to keep them on the program). In these circumstances it is the people in the middle who get overlooked and suffer in the public vote

[Lynn]

Maybe i am being cynical but it is reality TV and if everything is nicey-nice all the time then there will be less 'entertainment' and viewing figures may suffer as a result.

The couple of episodes that i have watched of this year's series have been the first that i have ever watched. Believe me, over the past 4 series I don't think the judges could ever have been described as being 'nicey-nice' - comments like 'worst/most boring/poorest dancing I have ever seen' are common from Craig, words like appalling, ghastly, dreadful, 'totally lacking in any grace whatsover' - or the other extreme - wonderful, fabulous, fantastic, amazing (or in Arlene's case, simply drooling) - but not 'nice'. (Though Len would be more moderate usually in his comments than the rest).

For these reasons, i do not know if this has been covered before, but they were saying on the program today how people are more likely to vote for people at the top (because they liked them) or people at the bottom (to keep them on the program). In these circumstances it is the people in the middle who get overlooked and suffer in the public voteYep. And I can't believe that the judges still haven't got that when they are really harsh on the celebs that have done poor dances then the public vote for them. Craig said on ITT (this week? last week?) - 'why do the public vote for the poorer perfomances and keep them in the competition? Don't they realise its a dancing competition?' :rolleyes:

But this year it seems even more likely that being bottom with the judges is a sure way of staying in the competition. Georgina would possibly still be in if she had danced worse tonight than she did.

[Jhutch]

Believe me, over the past 4 series I don't think the judges could ever have been described as being 'nicey-nice' - comments like 'worst/most boring/poorest dancing I have ever seen' are common from Craig, words like appalling, ghastly, dreadful, 'totally lacking in any grace whatsover' - or the other extreme - wonderful, fabulous, fantastic, amazing (or in Arlene's case, simply drooling) - but not 'nice'. (Though Len would be more moderate usually in his comments than the rest).


hm, i dont think i really explained myself that well. I meant that if they kept on saying, 'well done that was great,' to someone then it would not make the competition quite as compelling for some viewers? If the same person kept on being loved by the judges then it may seem like it was less of a competition.

[philsmove]

Maybe i am being cynical but it is reality TV ....

It is indeed a TV show and the completion is ITV

[bigdjiver]

...And being consistent? Someone can do a good dance and have a small fault (eg facial expression, a minor mis-step) and the judges go on about it at length. The next person can do a much poorer dance, with more mistakes and they only get mentioned in passing.
...If someone has nearly got it right it is easier, and more helpful, to concentrate on what they got wrong and tell them how to improve on that aspect. Sometimes the judges do give constructive criticism.
As for the no-hopers, in a real dance audition they would just get a shake of the head, or a loud "Thank-you" or "Next".
In my work I have always valued the "that needs fixing" comment from an expert, it often means that you have got it about 95% right. It took me a while to get over the fact that the 95% I got right did not attract praise, but eventually I acquired self-confidence.

[ElaineB]

How could Carol and Matt do the best foxtrot yet score lower than Emma and Darren?

I loved Mark and Karen, Carol and Matt, Ray and Camilla. I thought that Peter and Erin were marked a bit harshly, it was poor, but not that bad.

I read somewhere that Claire King has arthritis and has been advised by her doctors not to continue.

(Oh, I have mucked out horses using my hands, but I've always worn rubber gloves to do it!)

Oh, I so agree! I presume that Matt decided to get Carol to do the footwork properly and so had to go for an easier routine. I wasn't impressed with Louisa last night - her footwork was out of sinc and she looked as though Vincent was pulling her around. A lovely routine though.

As for Karen and Mark..........:clap: I would love to him in the finals.

I couldn't take my eyes off Lillia though - she is magnificent :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:


Elaine

[Nick M]

I wasn't impressed with Louisa last night - her footwork was out of sinc and she looked as though Vincent was pulling her around. A lovely routine though

She was also bouncing. Foxtrot should be about Glide, not Bounce, and if you watch the replay you can see her head bobbing up and down as she steps.

AS Len would say - some dances suit some people, and some do not

[ElaineB]

She was also bouncing. Foxtrot should be about Glide, not Bounce, and if you watch the replay you can see her head bobbing up and down as she steps.

AS Len would say - some dances suit some people, and some do not

Yes, I forgot that bit! :what: It just wasn't her dance was it!


Elaine

[Lynn]

She was also bouncing. Foxtrot should be about Glide, not Bounce, and if you watch the replay you can see her head bobbing up and down as she steps.

AS Len would say - some dances suit some people, and some do notAnd she did say she was struggling with it. I did wonder last week if she had possibly peaked rather early with her jive - that will maybe be her best dance.


hm, i dont think i really explained myself that well. I meant that if they kept on saying, 'well done that was great,' to someone then it would not make the competition quite as compelling for some viewers? If the same person kept on being loved by the judges then it may seem like it was less of a competition. And again, I repeat - I didn't say the judges should have said she was good. She wasn't. They should say that. But she looked like she was about to dissolve and she ran off without even waiting for Vincent and Bruno started saying they were 'picking on her' - when it all gets to that point they are getting into the 'unfair big bad bully judges' area and just start to look silly.

They can make constructive comments 'you were poor on X - you need to work on Y' etc and show their opinion of the dance in their points (as they did - they gave Lousia lower marks than Georgina this week)

[purple~emma]

I have to agree that Louisa definately struggled last night, especially after she did so well last week. I was glad to see that Georgina improved this week, it would hae been such a shame if she hadn't after she was saved last week. Having said that, I would have been disappointed if her or Jan hadn't left this week. I think that the other celebrities have shown much more potential for improvement in future weeks, and seeing as it is a Dance competition, that cannot be overlooked.

I found that I enjoyed the men's dances more this week than last. I pesonally enjoyed Ray and Camilla.

[Baruch]

I have to say that although I think Brendan was a bit daft criticising the judges in public like he did (especially just before they gave their points), he did make a valid point in that they seemed to be very inconsistent in their judgement and in the way they awarded points.

[Night Owl]

Help

I was dancing all weekend and missed it all ,who got knocked out this week?

[David Bailey]

I have to say that although I think Brendan was a bit daft criticising the judges in public like he did (especially just before they gave their points), he did make a valid point in that they seemed to be very inconsistent in their judgement and in the way they awarded points.
I got the impression that the inconsistency was kind of the point of having judges from different backgrounds?

If you look at their bios on the website, you see that:

Len is a professional judge
Bruno and Arleen are both choregraphers
Craig is a performance expert


So, the fact that they all have different focus is deliberate. Unlike in a proper dance competition, where you want the judges to be as consistent as possible, this one plays up the differences to make good telly - and who can deny it, seeing Len tell Bruno "You really get on my wick sometimes" was classic :rofl:

[Trouble]

I- and who can deny it, seeing Len tell Bruno "You really get on my wick sometimes" was classic :rofl:

he gets on everybodys wick. Brucie boy was on form as per usual......wanted to stick a fork up my nostril and swirl my brain around listening to him.

I agree ,,, the corrie gal, cant remember her name did look awful but they were mean to her. She didn't take it laying down tho, she was giving it back to them.

[David Bailey]

Oh, and that salsa demonstration at the end was, uh, interesting... Frankly, the first part of it looked just weird. The second bit was great - from what I recall, that's the first time we've seen La Rueda demonstrated, although the camerawork didn't show it off well to my mind.

It was spoilt a bit at the end by the lead couple deciding to hog the spotlight for a minute, for me. I assume that next week will be Cuban salsa, as that's the variation they did last time.

[David Bailey]

Help

I was dancing all weekend and missed it all ,who got knocked out this week?
Georgina and James. Shame really, as Georgina actually looked OK this week - but she was probably still the weakest dancer overall.

Jan & Anton, and Peter & Erin, are to me the weakest remaining couples; Jan & Anton were lucky to scrape through this week, and that's in a dance he's an acknowledged master of. Apparently...

[Night Owl]

thank you David:respect:

Must remember to set video in future:blush:

[clevedonboy]

thank you David:respect:

Must remember to set video in future:blush:

highlights show at 7pm tonight I believe

[Lynn]

I got the impression that the inconsistency was kind of the point of having judges from different backgrounds?

If you look at their bios on the website, you see that:

Len is a professional judge
Bruno and Arleen are both choregraphers
Craig is a performance expert
So, the fact that they all have different focus is deliberate. It seemed to be a bit more than different focus. Things like Arlene critiquing hands and Craig saying it could have been a style point - that's different focus - and makes for interesting perspectives. They always disagree - it just seemed more so than usual this week.

I notice they showed footage of Camilla clapping Brendan on when he had a go at them so it clearly wasn't just him feeling that way.

But yes, it makes for good telly. And Brendan said later that he loved the judges really. :rolleyes:

[Night Owl]

highlights show at 7pm tonight I believe


Doesn`t appear to be on in Scotland tho:tears:

[ducasi]

Doesn`t appear to be on in Scotland tho:tears:
Unless you've got cable, and can watch it on BBC 2 England. (Watching it now. :))

[Night Owl]

Unless you've got cable, and can watch it on BBC 2 England. (Watching it now. :))


:tears: no need to rub it in Duncan

[David Bailey]

It seemed to be a bit more than different focus. Things like Arlene critiquing hands and Craig saying it could have been a style point
Yeah, but you're missing the tiny detail that Craig was talking complete boll0x - "style decision" my buttocks. :rolleyes:

I did notice for the first time that the judges pass a bit of paper amongst themselves as the competitors are walking to get commentated on - I wonder what's on that? Joke for the day?

[Juju]

I got the impression that the inconsistency was kind of the point of having judges from different backgrounds?

If you look at their bios on the website, you see that:

Len is a professional judge
Bruno and Arleen are both choregraphers
Craig is a performance expert


So, the fact that they all have different focus is deliberate. Unlike in a proper dance competition, where you want the judges to be as consistent as possible, this one plays up the differences to make good telly - and who can deny it, seeing Len tell Bruno "You really get on my wick sometimes" was classic :rofl:

:yeah:

Plus I loved the bit when they started battering each other with the paddles.

I love that show. Everything about it. Even Tess Daly's shock frocks - wouldn't be the same if I couldn't shriek "*** is she wearing???!" at the tv every week. :grin:

[ducasi]

:tears: no need to rub it in Duncan
Aww! :hug:

[Lynn]

Yeah, but you're missing the tiny detail that Craig was talking complete boll0x - "style decision" my buttocks. :rolleyes: I did notice that each time they were asked 'was it a style decision?' they simply didn't answer. So clearly it wasn't!


I did notice for the first time that the judges pass a bit of paper amongst themselves as the competitors are walking to get commentated on - I wonder what's on that? Joke for the day?We saw them do that in the final last time - in fact did they drop it or something?

Anyway, no matter how awful the judges are they aren't as bad as X-Factor - caught some of the repeat today to hear Simon say all the females in all the past series had been 'dross'. Hmm, even the ones he was raving about at the time I presume? Though it would be entertaining if Arlene was to suddenly kiss Craig (as Simon did Sharon and vice versa). Though I think if she was going to kiss someone it wouldn't be one of her fellow judges!

And the key question is of course - are they 'taut buttocks'?

[Juju]

Anyone else feel sorry for Craig? Seems to me that he's constantly being got at by all and sundry for giving his honest opinion, which is after all what he's there to do.

[David Bailey]

Boy, it kicked off on ITT tonight, didn't it?

Craig and Brendan tearing each other a new one, live on TV - fantastic stuff :clap:

And then they ruined it with a "panel of whatevers" stuff - why do they do that? Who cares what amateurs think? We want to see the professionals, that's what we tune in for. Or Claudia's fringe, failing that.

[Baruch]

Anyone else feel sorry for Craig? Seems to me that he's constantly being got at by all and sundry for giving his honest opinion, which is after all what he's there to do.
No, I don't feel sorry for him at all. As Brendan said, he's entitled to criticise if he feels the dance warrants it, but he should do so in a more constructive way. He comes across as the Simon Cowell of dance, in that he can come across as nasty and putting people down. There are ways of giving criticism that avoid that sort of thing.

[David Bailey]

No, I don't feel sorry for him at all. As Brendan said, he's entitled to criticise if he feels the dance warrants it, but he should do so in a more constructive way. He comes across as the Simon Cowell of dance, in that he can come across as nasty and putting people down. There are ways of giving criticism that avoid that sort of thing.
Yeah, but Brendan's not a fool - he knows that the judges are supposed to be inconsistent, they're supposed to argue, that's the fun of it.

And each judge has a persona and a script - they're caricatures, and purposely so.

It's not the job of the judges to coach the couple, or to try and give them consistent advice - that's Brendan's job. He's the professional dance teacher, he should know what works and what doesn't.

[Lynn]

It's not the job of the judges to coach the couple, or to try and give them consistent advice - that's Brendan's job. He's the professional dance teacher, he should know what works and what doesn't.I think that was part of what was annoying him though - he can do what is supposed to work, and some judges hate it. So he, and other other professionals, who lets face it, quite possibly know more about the dances they are doing than most of the judges (Len excepted), do what they think is required and find out it isn't.

There is clear favouritism affecting both the comments and the marks. And Arlene's 4 for Brendan was surely partly because of his comments at the end - isn't she supposed to be judging the dance?

[Baruch]

There is clear favouritism affecting both the comments and the marks. And Arlene's 4 for Brendan was surely partly because of his comments at the end - isn't she supposed to be judging the dance?
Indeed. Despite Craig's comments this evening about the judges being impartial, can anyone really imagine Arlene giving Mark Ramprakash a 4, even if he totally screwed up?

[Lynn]

Two interesting things from SCD last night.

Brendan may have had the outburst, but he's clearly not alone in unhappiness with the judges consistency. And Darren pointed out, very gently, that perhaps the judges forget that they are dance professionals. Karen's approach was more from the view of being a judge - you expect some people to disagree with you, but Darren seemed to be saying that there is a fair bit of dissatifaction backstage with the judges - particularly the personal comments they make. And that's from someone who is one of the favourites.

The other thing was that the professionals are the ones who select the music. I guess I had thought they were given a range of songs and got to choose from that - but it seems that the choice is entirely down to them (I presume they can't use piece that has been used in this or a previous series).

[LadyMarmalade]

The other thing was that the professionals are the ones who select the music. I guess I had thought they were given a range of songs and got to choose from that - but it seems that the choice is entirely down to them (I presume they can't use piece that has been used in this or a previous series).


Good grief!! Makes the tango music from a couple of weeks ago seem even more bizarre:eek: (Eleanor Rigby etc)

[Tinkerbell]

Does anyone know the track that Carol Smillie danced to on Sat - think it was called 'Stuck on You' but not sure who it is by? :flower:

[David Franklin]

Does anyone know the track that Carol Smillie danced to on Sat - think it was called 'Stuck on You' but not sure who it is by? :flower:Lyrics search on Google indicates the song is indeed 'Stuck on You' by Lionel Richie.

[Tinkerbell]

Thanks :nice: good track!

[Lynn]

Oh, the judges are really coming under fire this week! More comments - re Peter's 2 and from Camilla about the comments being too personal. What has Brendan started?!

[Baruch]

The other thing was that the professionals are the ones who select the music.
:eek: That's quite worrying, given the complete unsuitability of some of the music they dance to.


Oh, the judges are really coming under fire this week! More comments - re Peter's 2 and from Camilla about the comments being too personal. What has Brendan started?!
It's about time someone said something about the judges. After all, in how many walks of life would people be allowed to be that insulting without some form of comeback? It appears to me that they either absolutely adore you or hate you -- generally speaking, there is no "Quite good, but could do better" and very little constructive criticism. Yes, their opinions as dance professionals should be respected, but their attitudes shouldn't if they get too personal and destructive.

[tiger]

who's going to go out tonight?

i think its going to be one of these, Peter S, Jan or Matt

[David Bailey]

Quick notes of tonight's show:

Louisa and Vincent (salsa): what was all that about? For the second week in a row now, I've got no goosebumps from watching them. Sometimes difficult to tell they were dancing salsa...

Jan and Anton (VW): lovely start, Anton makes everyone look good for this. I loved his comment that "Technique is the hardest thing", that should be engraved over the entrance to every Ceroc venue in the planet...

Matt & Lillia (salsa): Wa-hey... now that's a proper salsa costume. I liked it, it was a good effort, and at least it was recognisably salsa. They were a bit marked-down in my opinion.

(Note: this is, I think, the first time we've seen male and female celebs competing in the same dance form - interesting to see for the first time in this competition how much harder it is for the man)

Ray and Camilla (VW): Wow. That was indeed nice.

Brendan and Claire (salsa): WHAT? :eek: What the hell was that? :confused: It was rubbish - 21 way too high, no salsa at all. Has Brendan ever seen salsa dancing? Useless, I hope they get chucked out - they've gone as far as they can on attitude, and they clearly don't want to actually dance.

Emma & Darren (VW): I thought they were overmarked, it didn't do much for me, and certainly wasn't as good as Ray and Camilla's. Still, it's nice to see that the overall standard of marking is high for the ballroom discipline.

Carol and Matthew (salsa): At last, someone doing something that I could recognise as actual salsa :clap:

Peter and Erin: Oo-er, missus, that was an interesting hand motion at the start of the dance. I was shocked. :blush:

And, last but not least:

Mark and Karen (salsa): Oh my God :eek: - it was a hide-behind-the-sofa moment when it all went horribly wrong - and then, a Cinderella moment when they re-started again. That's a first - but I think it was the right decision, under the circumstances. I also think they'd have got a couple of 10s if they'd done that routine right, first time round. It was gorgeous - his energy, the arms, the routine, the connection. :awe:

Whew...

[Trouble]

Quick notes of tonight's show:

Louisa and Vincent (salsa): what was all that about? For the second week in a row now, I've got no goosebumps from watching them. Sometimes difficult to tell they were dancing salsa...

Jan and Anton (VW): lovely start, Anton makes everyone look good for this. I loved his comment that "Technique is the hardest thing", that should be engraved over the entrance to every Ceroc venue in the planet...

Matt & Lillia (salsa): Wa-hey... now that's a proper salsa costume. I liked it, it was a good effort, and at least it was recognisably salsa. They were a bit marked-down in my opinion.

(Note: this is, I think, the first time we've seen male and female celebs competing in the same dance form - interesting to see for the first time in this competition how much harder it is for the man)

Ray and Camilla (VW): Wow. That was indeed nice.

Brendan and Claire (salsa): WHAT? :eek: What the hell was that? :confused: It was rubbish - 21 way too high, no salsa at all. Has Brendan ever seen salsa dancing? Useless, I hope they get chucked out - they've gone as far as they can on attitude, and they clearly don't want to actually dance.

Emma & Darren (VW): I thought they were overmarked, it didn't do much for me, and certainly wasn't as good as Ray and Camilla's. Still, it's nice to see that the overall standard of marking is high for the ballroom discipline.

Carol and Matthew (salsa): At last, someone doing something that I could recognise as actual salsa :clap:

Peter and Erin: Oo-er, missus, that was an interesting hand motion at the start of the dance. I was shocked. :blush:

And, last but not least:

Mark and Karen (salsa): Oh my God :eek: - it was a hide-behind-the-sofa moment when it all went horribly wrong - and then, a Cinderella moment when they re-started again. That's a first - but I think it was the right decision, under the circumstances. I also think they'd have got a couple of 10s if they'd done that routine right, first time round. It was gorgeous - his energy, the arms, the routine, the connection. :awe:

Whew...

i agree with most but would comment on the last couple;

I think Mark and Karen were the best but she was messy. She didn't finish moves properly and appeared to be all over the place on some of the routine. i feel the trick with salsa is to move and wiggle your hips but if you shake about too much it just looks horrible. i felt she was shaking too much and the dress was not at all flattering on her either. Now if you put Erin and Mark together that would have been spectacular.

i take it you speed type DJ. :whistle:

[Lory]

Quick notes of tonight's show:

~snip~

Whew...

OOh we have a difference of opinion here DJ :wink:

Phew, I really enjoyed tonight

I was most surprised by Peter's V Waltz, IMO his feet were superb! :worthy:

Marc was wonderful.. as expected:yum:

Louisa was much better than last week:)

I agree, I think Emma and Darren looked nice but were over marked!:cool:

In contrast, I reckon Claire and Brendon got a raw deal with the judges :rolleyes:

Ray and Camilla, look like they're loving every second of their partnership and that makes it enjoyable viewing :o

My 3 bottom this week were sadly Jan again, and Carol and Matt

Jan is definitely improving and Anton did do a good job but sadly she's just not in the above's league:(

Carol's dancing really reminds me of Natasha Kaplinsky:really: , she suits the Ballroom but IMO she doesn't look natural, when it comes to the latin stuff

And Matt, well, I just didn't enjoy his performance and I agreed with everything the judges said about him. He's definitely got the ability in there somewhere but he needs to let go and show off...really go for it, cos he had moments where looks embarrassed and because of that, it becomes a little cringeworthy to watch:sick:

[David Bailey]

i agree with most but would comment on the last couple;

I think Mark and Karen were the best but she was messy. She didn't finish moves properly and appeared to be all over the place on some of the routine. i feel the trick with salsa is to move and wiggle your hips but if you shake about too much it just looks horrible. i felt she was shaking too much and the dress was not at all flattering on her either. Now if you put Erin and Mark together that would have been spectacular.
There were flaws, definitely - frankly, I reckon most salsa clubs would have couples looking better than any of those pairs, just freestyling. And I thought she repeated the "hot hot hot" thing too much - it got, well, repetitive.

But if you just look at his hands for the start - it was great.


i take it you speed type DJ. :whistle:
I'm getting RSI even now...

[Juju]

Interesting to read these comments when I've never done either ballroom or latin and really know sod all about either; I still agree roughly with what's been said above - which is quite reassuring really!

I loved Mark and Karen's dance, thought they deserved at least one ten - but what do I know.

Carol and Matthew are bugging me. To my uneducated eye it looks as though she has a lot of potential, but he's not giving her enough to do. Am I right??

And as for Brendan and Claire - all that strutting about by Claire, trying to look sexy - am I being really mean in thinking she's a bit old for that sort of thing now??? :blush: I'd love to say: C'est magnifique mais ce n'est pas le salsa, but, unfortunately, it's not all that magnifique. Plus Brendan needs such a slap.

[Chicklet]

And as for Brendan and Claire - all that strutting about by Claire, trying to look sexy - am I being really mean in thinking she's a bit old for that sort of thing now??? :blush: I'd love to say: C'est magnifique mais ce n'est pas le salsa, but, unfortunately, it's not all that magnifique. Plus Brendan needs such a slap.

I think Brendan knows exactly what he's doing, Claire is NOT a dancer, she's never looked like she's "got it", she can't do any kind of fluidity, her feet are ugly, she stomps and I'd put some money on her not picking up routines so he's doing the only thing left available to stay in the competition, and taking the rap himself for it.

[Juju]

I think Brendan knows exactly what he's doing, Claire is NOT a dancer, she's never looked like she's "got it", she can't do any kind of fluidity, her feet are ugly, she stomps and I'd put some money on her not picking up routines...

I agree.


...so he's doing the only thing left available to stay in the competition, and taking the rap himself for it.

So why strop and blame the judges? It's immature and rude.

[Trouble]

And as for Brendan and Claire - all that strutting about by Claire, trying to look sexy - am I being really mean in thinking she's a bit old for that sort of thing now??? :blush: I'd love to say: C'est magnifique mais ce n'est pas le salsa, but, unfortunately, it's not all that magnifique. Plus Brendan needs such a slap.


your not being mean but you are being unfair to older ladies who look brilliant and sexy when they dance. If she could move properly, regardless of her age, she would get away with it. Its not her age that is the problem is her stiffness. She looks good for her age lets face it but all that drops away when her ass looks a bit like a bumble bee stuck in a honey pot rather than a sultry sex temptress wiggling her buttocks at ya. :D

[Juju]

your not being mean but you are being unfair to older ladies who look brilliant and sexy when they dance.

Not so much ageist as Claire-ist. She's trying too hard; that's not sexy.

I feel a bit sorry for her - she's out of her depth.

[Freya]

Ok I'm a little confused? And before anyone remarks that thats not unusual or hard to do I'll do it for them!!!! :na:

What are the ballroom dances? I didn't think salsa was one of them! isn't SCD supposed to be ballroom?

[Trouble]

Not so much ageist as Claire-ist. She's trying too hard; that's not sexy.

I feel a bit sorry for her - she's out of her depth.

christ dont feel sorry for her im sure the cheque she gets will make her feel a whole lot better. And the publicity she gets, even if its not flattering will earn her more. :flower:

[Chicklet]

So why strop and blame the judges? It's immature and rude.

and therefore good (and moreish) TV....he knows exactly what he's doing

[David Bailey]

What are the ballroom dances? I didn't think salsa was one of them! isn't SCD supposed to be ballroom?
There are ten "standard" "Ballroom" dances - 5 Ballroom, 5 Latin.

And no, salsa isn't one of them. Which, yes, kind of weakens the "strictly" bit of the title...

On the other hand, I'm glad they're expanding their remit to include popular dances. Who knows, we may even see a MJ dance at some point...

[Daisy Fox]

I think Brendan knows exactly what he's doing, Claire is NOT a dancer, she's never looked like she's "got it", she can't do any kind of fluidity, her feet are ugly, she stomps and I'd put some money on her not picking up routines so he's doing the only thing left available to stay in the competition, and taking the rap himself for it.

Completely agree with you, and you are right. She can't dance so he has to look at it from a different angle. I think he is actually quite clever in this respect. The argueing with the judges is all for show, it spices it up a bit.

[Trouble]

Completely agree with you, and you are right. She can't dance so he has to look at it from a different angle. I think he is actually quite clever in this respect. The argueing with the judges is all for show, it spices it up a bit.

i like Brendon.. :D :D

[Daisy Fox]

i like Brendon.. :D :D
Me too :drool:

[Trouble]

Me too :drool:

me and you have good taste DF... were obviously very clever and absolutely in tune with one anothers psyche. xx :flower:

[Daisy Fox]

me and you have good taste DF... were obviously very clever and absolutely in tune with one anothers psyche. xx :flower:

Couldn't agree more. I know he is not going to win, but SCD would not be the same without Brendan. And he smells soooooooo good. :blush:

[David Bailey]

me and you have good taste DF... were obviously very clever and absolutely in tune with one anothers psyche. xx :flower:
:tears: Anton's out :tears:

Well, it was gonna happen fairly soon I guess - bottom line, Jan's lovely but not that good.

There are only four couples I'd be upset to see go:
- Louisa and Vincent
- Ray and Camilla
- Emma and Darren
- Mark and Karen

They're clearly the best; as long as they stay in I'll be happy.

[Freya]

There are ten "standard" "Ballroom" dances - 5 Ballroom, 5 Latin.

And no, salsa isn't one of them. Which, yes, kind of weakens the "strictly" bit of the title...

On the other hand, I'm glad they're expanding their remit to include popular dances. Who knows, we may even see a MJ dance at some point...

Thanx! It's a bit of a double edged sword! Surely MJ is kinda covered by "Jive" as being what MJ is derived from?

[David Bailey]

Thanx! It's a bit of a double edged sword! Surely MJ is kinda covered by "Jive" as being what MJ is derived from?
Not really, ballroom jive is very different - different footwork and timing.

It's a bit like Mambo and salsa - there's a relationship, but they're not the same dance.

[Freya]

Not really, ballroom jive is very different - different footwork and timing.

It's a bit like Mambo and salsa - there's a relationship, but they're not the same dance.

Ok having never done ballroom and not really knowing much about the dances I hadn't realised they were so different.

Do you know what other dances there will be included other than the ballroom ones?

[Lory]

Do you know what other dances there will be included other than the ballroom ones?

They're doing the American smooth next week!:drool: That's not an official ballroom dance, there's only five of those...

International Standard = Waltz + Tango + Foxtrot + Viennese Waltz + Quickstep

And 5 International Latin = Cha cha + Samba + Rumba + Paso doble + Jive

None of the following are official either, Salsa, Mambo, Lindy hop and West coast swing, I hope that helps :flower:

[David Bailey]

None of the following are official either, Salsa, Mambo, Lindy hop and West coast swing, I hope that helps :flower:
You forgot to mention AT - that's also not official :)

[Lory]

You forgot to mention AT - that's also not official :)

Your right! How could I forget that one :really: :blush: I'm sure there's probably more too? Just can't think at the moment :rolleyes: :)

[Freya]

They're doing the American smooth next week!:drool: That's not an official ballroom dance, there's only five of those...

International Standard = Waltz + Tango + Foxtrot + Viennese Waltz + Quickstep

And 5 International Latin = Cha cha + Samba + Rumba + Paso doble + Jive

None of the following are official either, Salsa, Mambo, Lindy hop and West coast swing, I hope that helps :flower:
Thanx Lory,

Hmmm looking on the website it doesn't tell you (or I can't find it) what dances their including in the shows to come!

[jivecat]

And as for Brendan and Claire - all that strutting about by Claire, trying to look sexy - am I being really mean in thinking she's a bit old for that sort of thing now??? :blush: I'd love to say: C'est magnifique mais ce n'est pas le salsa, but, unfortunately, it's not all that magnifique. Plus Brendan needs such a slap.


I thought the dance started reasonably well - at least she's got some attitude. But there didn't seem to be much content to the dance once the first impact of the sexy wiggling was over. I gather they were told to cut out some of the raunchy stuff, but I'd have thought a dancer like Brendan could have filled in with some freestyle stuff that would have been more interesting without even thinking about it. But maybe Claire can't really follow freestyle.

I'd like to have a little strop about ageism - but sadly, I think Juju's probably right! :sad:

[David Bailey]

I thought the dance started reasonably well - at least she's got some attitude. But there didn't seem to be much content to the dance once the first impact of the sexy wiggling was over.
I really hate to say this - but where was the sex? I really didn't get any impression of sexiness from that dance. In fact, I'm not sure if any of their dances have been sexy, thinking about it. No connection.

Ray and Camilla looked much sexier to me - and that's doing a Viennese Waltz, the most boring dance on God's Earth... :whistle:

[purple~emma]

I liked Jan and Anton's dance this week, she definately performed her best dance yet, but I think that compared to the others it was her time to go. If it hadn't been her it should have been Claire and Brendan. I think Claire tends to look quite clumsy in her dancing most of the time.




There are only four couples I'd be upset to see go:
- Louisa and Vincent
- Ray and Camilla
- Emma and Darren
- Mark and Karen

They're clearly the best; as long as they stay in I'll be happy.


:yeah: I totally agree.

[Lynn]

Watched SCD with a couple of forumites - nice to get to discuss and comment on the dances as they happened.

Loved Mark, I think he's emerging as my fav male celeb, though I like Ray too.

A couple of the salsa dances had very little salsa content - so it was good to see the ones that did put some salsa in.

Claire can wiggle and strut with attitude, but that seems to be all she's doing. Of course it was almost guaranteed that they wouldn't leave - it seems being last with the judges is a sure way to stay in (I can't remember from last series but I don't think anyone bottom with the judges in this series has left that week, have they?).

I loved Jan's 'everyone should learn to dance' speech at the end.

[David Bailey]

Looking again at Mark and Karen's dance, I think she's clearly a wonderful choreographer - she knows how to get the best from her partner, a skill that many of the other professional dancers (e.g. Brandan, and even Anton) seem to lack.

It was also interesting to see her choice of outfit - I think that's the skimpiest number Karen's ever worn, I wonder if she's a bit body-conscious? Obviously, she's got a wonderful bod, which 99% of women would kill for - but she's probably comparing herself with Ola and Lillia...

[Juju]

I think that's the skimpiest number Karen's ever worn, I wonder if she's a bit body-conscious? Obviously, she's got a wonderful bod, which 99% of women would kill for - but she's probably comparing herself with Ola and Lillia...

Easy tiger. :wink:


I had wanted to see Claire and Brendan booted off, but after Jan's silly outburst when she got voted off, I'm glad to see the back of her. It was like watching "The X Factor". :mad:

[clevedonboy]

Looking again at Mark and Karen's dance, I think she's clearly a wonderful choreographer - she knows how to get the best from her partner, a skill that many of the other professional dancers (e.g. Brandan, and even Anton) seem to lack.

It was also interesting to see her choice of outfit - I think that's the skimpiest number Karen's ever worn, I wonder if she's a bit body-conscious? Obviously, she's got a wonderful bod, which 99% of women would kill for - but she's probably comparing herself with Ola and Lillia...

Anyone who missed it or wants another look can find it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-ZXj0lBJoI

Also The Sun has a real scoop "Jans hubby is Raven mad" http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2006510412,00.html (all they've done is wrtie up the story CRH told on BBC2 yesterday morning)

[purple~emma]

The thing that struck me most about Mark and Karen's dance was how much they both seemed to be enjoying it. You could tell that after having to stop the dance and start again they were definately giving it their all. Was very impressed.

[Lynn]

The thing that struck me most about Mark and Karen's dance was how much they both seemed to be enjoying it. And Mark was singing along the whole way through! (I tend to do that sometimes :blush: )

[Frankie_4711]

And Mark was singing along the whole way through! (I tend to do that sometimes :blush: )

Oh dear - I do that almost all the time!:blush:

[ElaineB]

Looking again at Mark and Karen's dance, I think she's clearly a wonderful choreographer - she knows how to get the best from her partner, a skill that many of the other professional dancers (e.g. Brandan, and even Anton) seem to lack.
...

I was impressed by Karen in the last series and in this one. I really like her positive attitude to her partners, whether they have talent (as Mark clearly does) or not (remember the boxer.......?).




There are only four couples I'd be upset to see go:
- Louisa and Vincent
- Ray and Camilla
- Emma and Darren
- Mark and Karen



Agreed!


Elaine

[jivecat]

I was impressed by Karen in the last series and in this one. I really like her positive attitude to her partners, whether they have talent (as Mark clearly does) or not (remember the boxer.......?).






:yeah: She comes over as a really nice person. This is the first time she's had a really promising partner.

[TheTramp]

:yeah: She comes over as a really nice person. This is the first time she's had a really promising partner.

:yeah:

And she's cute too! :innocent:

[drathzel]

:yeah:

And she's cute too! :innocent:

this is what lynn and i had to listen to during the entire show on saturday night!

[TheTramp]

this is what lynn and i had to listen to during the entire show on saturday night!

Your fault. You made me watch it!

Anyhow, it wasn't the whole show. She was on last. Before that, I'd only made a passing remark or two about Camilla! :whistle:

[drathzel]

Your fault. You made me watch it!

Anyhow, it wasn't the whole show. She was on last. Before that, I'd only made a passing remark or two about Camilla! :whistle:

and louisa

[clevedonboy]

and louisa


And lilia & Carol & Erin ;)

Anyone else been thinking about the "Tarbuck Twist"? how will they get around the effective double eviction in week 3? Speculation about a couple being added or a no eviction week seem to have come to naught so will they just let the series end a week early? - hardly excting and probably not cost effective and upsetting to people with tickets.

Here's my suggestion - Tarby & Flavia are allowed back into the competion to perform an Argentinian Tango with that being the no elimination week (possibly to conicide with Children In Need) that way we get to see her strut her stuff one more time (is that just wishful thinking?)

[jivecat]

this is what lynn and i had to listen to during the entire show on saturday night!

Couldn't you have retaliated with a few choice comments about Mark Ramprakash's manly beauty?

[Yogi_Bear]

This may be tangential - and may well have been covered in a different thread, I'm getting my apology in early, but SCD judge and 'queen of mean' Arlene Phillips gave top marks to the Ceroc DVD (Modern Jive - the Easy Way to Learn) in a review of five instructional DVDs in Sunday's Observer.

Arlene is quoted as saying ' This is the best of all the DVDs: clear, accurate and moves at the right pace. By the end of the first chapter, you've been taught a series of eight steps and pieced together a routine. With instruction on how to link steps, it's a fantastic way to start dancing'.

So maybe 'modern jive, also known as Ceroc' according to the article :whistle: might feature in a future series of SCD....?

[clevedonboy]

So maybe 'modern jive, also known as Ceroc' according to the article :whistle: might feature in a future series of SCD....?

why? it's as likely to be included as Lindy (which has no chance of being used in a ballroom competition)

[Bara Davies]

The thing that struck me most about Mark and Karen's dance was how much they both seemed to be enjoying it. You could tell that after having to stop the dance and start again they were definately giving it their all. Was very impressed.

The thing that struck me about Karen and Marks Salsa was that theirs was the only dance that looked like they were actually dancing together and having fun, as opposed to doing a pre-fixed routine. It was so exhilarating and real! They could almost have been doing freestyle - it was that good!!

[Yogi_Bear]

why? it's as likely to be included as Lindy (which has no chance of being used in a ballroom competition)

Quite so. Note my use of irony.

[Feelingpink]

ITT - A day with Ray - yoga - sweat on bare skin :drool: :swoon:

[David Bailey]

ITT - A day with Ray - yoga - sweat on bare skin :drool: :swoon:
Yeah, a bit gratuitous, wasn't it?

I wonder what the public reaction would be if they showed a female celeb exercising in just a bra?

[Daisy Chain]

I wonder what the public reaction would be if they showed a female celeb exercising in just a bra?

Sounds like most of Lilia's Saturday night latin costumes.

Daisy

(A Well Covered Little Flower)

[Lynn]

Missed ITT last night (a long day at work - didn't get home til midnight!). What's this about Ray?

[ElaineB]

Missed ITT last night (a long day at work - didn't get home til midnight!). What's this about Ray?


Oooh, just Ray in not a lot of clothing, stretching, sweating and looking very hunky..........:drool:



Elaine

[Lynn]

Oooh, just Ray in not a lot of clothing, stretching, sweating and looking very hunky..........:drool: Darn. I should have set the video.

[tiger]

Back on thread,,,,
who's going out of the show tonight?

I think it is between Matt,Claire and Peter

[Lory]

who's going out of the show tonight?

I think it is between Matt,Claire and Peter
From the snippets of rehursals I saw on ITT, it looks like Peter's going to be the weakest this week :sad:

but as we know, that doesn't always mean they'll be out!

[Lynn]

Back on thread,,,,
who's going out of the show tonight?

I think it is between Matt,Claire and PeterNo, I enjoyed Matt's American Smooth, I think its a turning point dance for him.

I think Matt had a point - the judges are still being rather inconsistent in their comments across the competitiors. I was sure I saw both Louisa's feet off the floor when Vincent swept her round in the samba, similiar to one of the two 'lifts' Brendan did in the first show, and the judges didn't mention it at all.

I thought it was rather funny when Len said 'it wasn't my cup of tea' to Mark and Karen and Bruno told him off for being 'rude' - yet Craig often says things like 'hideous' ('heinous' this week).

The worry is, with the comments given to Peter - of course he will get lots of phone votes - often the second or third from the bottom leave - which means it could be Ray and Camilla. Really hope not!

[mrs_warwick]

Poor Carol - she didn't expect that slating; was there nothing nice they could say about her dance!
We voted for the first time tonight; for Carol and Matt, and Ray and Camilla. Neither should go tonight. I don't really want to see Peter go either, but he's not as good as Carol or Ray. I think Claire, Matt, or Peter should go, they have been the least consistent (or do I mean consistently poor?) over the past few weeks.

[mrs_warwick]

Oh no! How did that happen?
They didn't deserve to go, I wanted him in the final! Not fair. And I voted for him! :( :tears:

[Lynn]

The worry is, with the comments given to Peter - of course he will get lots of phone votes - often the second or third from the bottom leave - which means it could be Ray and Camilla. Really hope not!:tears: :tears:

I'm annoyed with the judges. Will they never learn that being really horrible to someone means lots of people phone in and vote and a couple who have danced better ends up leaving? No good them shaking their heads in disappointment now. It was so clear that Peter wasn't going to go after being told his dance was 'heinous' etc. Grrr.

[drathzel]

wait wait, who went?:confused:

[Lynn]

wait wait, who went?:confused:Ray and Camilla. :(

[Lory]

From the snippets of rehursals I saw on ITT, it looks like Peter's going to be the weakest this week :sad:

but as we know, that doesn't always mean they'll be out!

:yeah: Well there you go! :(

On a lighter note....Matt blew me away tonight, he looked so confident, he smiled and his hands were fab too! What a transformation :worthy: but I hated Lilia's outfit :sick:

I agreed with the judges about Carol, she's got the potential but tonights performance wasn't her best and I also noticed her shoulders!

I also agree with Len about Vincent putting too many steps in for Louisa, at points she looked as though she was almost running to keep up.

Emma and Darren looked very comfortable and polished.:worthy:

Claire and Brendon also looked suprisingly good.

But for me, the couple I was actually most disappointed with this week, was Mark and Karen.:(

[Warwick]

I'm not sure whether the BBCODE will handle this so I'll have a preview and work on it.


I play with the stats on the results where possible because I like to know how the audience vote went. Sometimes you can get a bit of an *in* if there's someone unusual in the bottom two. It only gets really useful when there a less dancers left but... Given that the audience vote effectively outwieghs the judges vote by a small amount I can work out the minimum scores for some of the people in this week's vote. I assume that there *won't* be a tie in audience votes so I can't use 1 twice and I can't really work out who is winning the audience vote because the top end all got through anyway.

Claire being in joint 4th gave her 5 points along with Louisa so to end up in the bottom 2 put a lot of audience points somewhere else and that gives me the below table

Carol and Louisa could have scored higher with the audience. These are minimum scores. But for Peter to leapfrog someone with 5 points is difficult. Give Claire any higher score and you have to really start screwing around with the figures to make the bottom two fit. It'll get more accurate with less people. Effectively the underdog voting is still in full force.

The Bold numbers show where the audience vote beat the judge vote. The massive gap is something to do with the way the forum handles this and I can't work out what I need to do to eliminate it. Any hints?

<table border="1" align="left" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1">
<tr>
<td><strong>Contestant</strong></td>
<td><strong>Judges Points</strong> </td>
<td><strong>Minimum Audience Points</strong> </td>
<td><strong> Total Points</strong></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td> Louisa</td>
<td> 5</td>
<td> 4</td>
<td> 9</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td> Carol</td>
<td> 3</td>
<td> 3</td>
<td><strong>6</strong> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td> Peter</td>
<td> 1</td>
<td> 5</td>
<td> <strong>6</strong></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Claire </td>
<td> 5</td>
<td> 1</td>
<td> 6</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td> Ray</td>
<td> 2</td>
<td> 2</td>
<td> 4</td>
</tr>
</table>

[Yogi_Bear]

Does this work copied and pasted from from Works....?
Judge a Judge b
Ray 3 1
Claire 2 2
Matthew 1 4
James 4 3

...not quite, I have lost the alignment and the borders....but no gap

[Warwick]

And for a real opinion.. Absolutely nothing really impressed me this week and I don't know why. All of them were fairly polished with a few little glitches but none of them made my spine tingle. Emma seemed to be flat footed in spite of the immense heels. Louisa sparkled once or twice and her dance came alive for those brief moments.

Carol took a while to gather her wits while getting over the big lift and it showed in her arms for a while. There was also a bit of a 'moment' in her dancing when things stopped flowing, as if they'd aborted something tricky and moved into the backup plan. The music was an odd selection too. It'd be a great choice for an exhibition dance with a real attack on the loud bits but not so useful on a 'smooth'. The hammering from the judges on every single technical aspect of her dancing was surprising, especially since it wasn't especially constructive in detail. She looked stunned. If they'd done that to every couple and pulled out every little problem with frame or step then fair do's but to suddenly pick apart a single dancer on everything was a bit surprising. Matching up what I saw in the other dances, I'd have expected them to mention arms and shoulders needing a bit of work.

Matt raised his game and I was impressed, but that triple layered high waist dress that Lillia had on didn't seem to suit and distracted me from the dance.

Peter was truly awful but since they knew it wasn't a dance he could master, Erin played on that. The 'perfomance' was sheer chutzpah. What he *did* do was perform so all credit to him for that. I was expecting the judges to score him a little lower than they did.

Claire suddenly finding timing and ability was a shock and I didn't register that dance properly from sheer surprise. I did note that her kicks were a bit sloppy but that's not to detract from a nice dance.

Onward.. Mark's was nice and Karen looked gorgeous in that dress. It seemed to flow better on TV than it did for the judges.

Ray's marks seemed to suffer more from being the first one out. It wasn't as poor as it was marked.

All of the contestants have now been training and learning hard for a couple of months. Learning an entire routine every week and an entire new style of dancing is way beyond what most of us expect to manage. That some people suddenly found a fitness level and clicked in a bit further was good. That others had a not so good week is to be expected. That it happened this week all in one go was a bit of a surprise. If I hadn't been watching the previous episodes, I'd have a hard time picking the eventual winner just based on this evening.

[Feelingpink]

Ray going out and Clare still being in is pretty gutting (not just for the gratuitous yoga poses either). I thought he was a much better dancer. Len Goodman didn't look happy just after the announcement - seemed to be muttering. It is kind of fun that there is no clear front-runner - will make the coming weeks exciting.

However, I was completely blown away by the backwards through the legs move that Flavia & Vincente did during the results show singing - not surprising that she seemed to falter a little at the end. Really glad that's recorded!

[Warwick]

R Len Goodman didn't look happy just after the announcement - seemed to be muttering.!

That one was an easy lip read. "That's Wrong!" is what he mouthed.

[Northants Girly]

I was completely blown away by the backwards through the legs move that Flavia & Vincente did during the results show singing . . . . Really glad that's recorded!:yeah: :yeah:

Also liked the move just over half-way through when Vincent was facing away from her and she jumped up and clung horizontally to his back . . . then he swung her round :eek: We've coined this the velcro-back move :clap:

[ElaineB]

:tears: :tears:

I'm annoyed with the judges. Will they never learn that being really horrible to someone means lots of people phone in and vote and a couple who have danced better ends up leaving? No good them shaking their heads in disappointment now. It was so clear that Peter wasn't going to go after being told his dance was 'heinous' etc. Grrr.


Only saw the results show, but I quickly realised what was going to happen, so I also rang in for Ray and Camilla.........what a great shame, he was far more talented than some of the others.

Very disappointed! :( :tears:

Vincent and Flavia did some amazing moves - anyone brave enough to try those in Blackpool? :whistle:

Elaine

[Lynn]

Effectively the underdog voting is still in full force.I don't think the couple bottom with the judges has left yet any week in this series (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, it may have happened in the first week or two) and its usually a couple a few places from the bottom who leave. A slamming from the judges is often a pretty good guarantee that the couple will stay in. I was pretty much expecting the last two in the spotlight to be Ray and Camilla and Brendan and Claire.

[clevedonboy]

I don't think the couple bottom with the judges has left yet any week in this series (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, it may have happened in the first week or two) and its usually a couple a few places from the bottom who leave. A slamming from the judges is often a pretty good guarantee that the couple will stay in. I was pretty much expecting the last two in the spotlight to be Ray and Camilla and Brendan and Claire.


Nick Owen week 1 but after that you are right

[tiger]

Ray going out is a joke as he was one of the top celeb dancers on this show.

The public vote,serves well for charity but does little for those who've trained really hard,have obvious natural talent and then just have to stand there and be humiliated when voted out by the great sympathetic(we like a loser/underdog mentality) british public.:wink:

[Lynn]

Nick Owen week 1 but after that you are rightI did nearly add Nick and Nicole as the possible exception. In the first few weeks the public sympathy vote maybe isn't as high, its as the show goes on that the public get to know the personalities that they vote. The less able celebs tend to go on weeks where they have actually improved and the judges aren't as horrible to them. So on that basis there was a possiblity that Claire and Brendan could have gone this week.

[ElaineB]

Just seen the show today. What on earth was Lillia given to wear.........and her hair! :eek: :eek: :eek: She is beautiful, but the dressers in the BBC seem to have lost the plot and made her look like someone from Bavaria in the second world war! :eek:

Hope they get back on track next week!

Still can't believe that Ray and Camilla have gone - a great shame!


Elaine (and my cat, Kira, who is sitting right in front of the screen! :hug: )

[David Bailey]

Gobsmacked by the result - a complete travesty. They were definitely in the top 4 - it just goes to show that you only need 1 bad week, and you're stuffed. And yes, it was a bad week, Ray didn't look at all comfortable. But it's a shame to see Peter stay in, despite everything.

I thought Emma and Darren were way over-marked, it seems all they have to do is turn up and they get a 9 :rolleyes:

I also agree that none of the performances were goose-bumpy. There's a lot of good dancers left, still, but nothing quite as good as last week's performances to me.

What are the dances next week? I missed that bit...

[mrs_warwick]

What are the dances next week? I missed that bit...

I think the ladies are doing the Cha Cha Cha. Apparently that was what the pro's were doing in the result show. When it went backstage to Tess and the celebs, Tess said something about the ladies wearing those costumes next week.
I'm guessing then that the men will be doing the quickstep.

[David Bailey]

I think the ladies are doing the Cha Cha Cha. Apparently that was what the pro's were doing in the result show.
Ah, yes - although I wasn't sure what the pros were dancing for the first half of that set :rofl:

Thanks :)

[TheTramp]

I can't believe that Ray & Camilla have gone either. Bit of a travesty. But then, we all know that it's not a dance competition really....

[Baruch]

What on earth was Lillia given to wear.........and her hair! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Indeed. Even I commented when she came on that the way she was dressed made her look old, and I'm not exactly known for my immense powers of observation.

(Although I could quite happily observe Lilia any time:drool: :drool: :drool: )

[David Bailey]

I liked Craig's comments on ITT last night - he's definitely back to Dark Craig mode now :)

He seems to have taken a bit more of a shine to Matt now though. Which is, err, nice.

[tiger]

Well i got it wrong last week.

Who's going out this week?

i'll take the risk and say its either Claire or Louise.

[Kev F]

This one's for David James:

I hope Vincent & Louisa last until the month end, as they'll be dancing Argentine Tango.

At this stage there should be four couples remaining and Vincent will be the only one choreographing his own routine. You may ask why? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys0DVZASBkM)

I think the answer may be self-explanatory; also, taking into account that many of the professionals are not necessarily AT experts and some may have no previous training in this dance form.

I've e-mailed SCD and suggested sending them all down to David James Monday night Tango classes at Finchley. A star is born! :worthy:

[David Bailey]

I've e-mailed SCD and suggested sending them all down to David James Monday night Tango classes at Finchley. A star is born! :worthy:
So where's my doll, huh? Everyone else has got one, I want a DJ doll, damnit...

[Kev F]

I've heard today that the Argentine Tango shall now be screened on the 16th December.


So where's my doll, huh? Everyone else has got one, I want a DJ doll, damnit...

I've tried my best for you DJ, but to no avail.

But if you ever need a divine follow for a demonstrator...I've just the girl! :wink: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/generationgame/videoclips/video3.shtml) I actually quite like the eloquent footwork and Brucie seems suitably impressed.

I've ordered this model. (http://www.nataliavillanueva.com/fotos/Cosmo%20tango.WMV) Very good at the Lambada back bend and won't pin your foot to the floor with her stilettos.

As for the unique 'DJ Tango Doll'.........

[Lynn]

As for the unique 'DJ Tango Doll'.........:rofl:

But where's the black t-shirt?

[David Bailey]

:rofl:

But where's the black t-shirt?
And, more to the point, where are the trousers to tuck it in to?

And obviously the expression is upside down.

Apart from that, a stunning likeness, my secret ID is out :eek:

[CeeCee]

originally posted by KevF
I hope Vincent & Louisa last until the month end, as they'll be dancing Argentine Tango.

At this stage there should be four couples remaining and Vincent will be the only one choreographing his own routine. You may ask why? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys0DVZASBkM)
Ooh thanks for this clip, what fun and such inspirational dancing. Not only wonderful to see an old clip of Vincent and Flavia but there was a bonus for me too.

The chap leading the lady in the blue dress is Giraldo my teacher from Corrientes where I've had lessons on Thursdays and Saturdays in Central and North London. He's a super teacher, patient and uber supportive.

Then the last lady in the beautiful velvet dress is Kicca who teaches at the Dome, North London when she's not busy touring the world with boy bands. She loves teaching the technical stuff.

How exciting to see teachers you know dancing on the show.

[Feelingpink]

Ooh thanks for this clip, what fun and such inspirational dancing. Not only wonderful to see an old clip of Vincent and Flavia but there was a bonus for me too.

The chap leading the lady in the blue dress is Giraldo my teacher from Corrientes where I've had lessons on Thursdays and Saturdays in Central and North London. He's a super teacher, patient and uber supportive.

Then the last lady in the beautiful velvet dress is Kicca who teaches at the Dome, North London when she's not busy touring the world with boy bands. She loves teaching the technical stuff.

How exciting to see teachers you know dancing on the show.[/COLOR]I notice that DJ has edited this post. He seems to have deleted the reference to the name of the group and the tour with Kikka that I saw earlier ... and I was coming back to this post to check the tour name so I could see if there were any dates left on it. Why???? :sad:

[ducasi]

I notice that DJ has edited this post.
I take it then that DavidJames is now a moderator. :respect:

[David Bailey]

I notice that DJ has edited this post. He seems to have deleted the reference to the name of the group and the tour with Kikka that I saw earlier ... and I was coming back to this post to check the tour name so I could see if there were any dates left on it. Why???? :sad:
Sorry, I was just testing out some fancy new buttons :blush: - I did ask permission, honest!

The tour name is "Tiempo de Tango: Romance en Carnaval", and details for the performance a couple of weeks ago are here (http://www.artsdepot.co.uk/event_details.php?eventid=291).

Hope that helps.

[Feelingpink]

Sorry, I was just testing out some fancy new buttons :blush: - I did ask permission, honest!

The tour name is "Tiempo de Tango: Romance en Carnaval", and details for the performance a couple of weeks ago are here (http://www.artsdepot.co.uk/event_details.php?eventid=291).

Hope that helps.Thanks so much :hug: ... and as for new buttons ... you just be careful which ones you press and how often - you never know what effect it will have :wink:

[Feelingpink]

Really good dancing tonight ... enjoyed all of them. Just not sure why some of the girls seemed to think that it's a good idea to keep making their costumes shorter - Carol Smilie's outfit was one of the most glam - (and she has fab legs) - but also had long flowing pieces on it. Don't know if anyone else got bored with continually seeing Emma Bunton's 'knickers'.

Michael Bolton's singing on the results show, so may have to keep the volume down. :sick:

[tiger]

i though Emma's dance was poor, Carol's was much better.

Louise or Claire to go out tonite, imo

[Lory]

Wow Wow Wow! Matt blew me away tonight, he was awesome! :worthy: :waycool: :clap:

My other favourites were Louisa and Vincent, I thought they looked really sharp!:waycool:

But I'm afraid Marc went down in my estimation this week :sad: all that wimpy stuff about invading my personal space.:rolleyes: He's going to have to get over his hang-ups if he's going to impress the judges, especially Arlene. (we all know what she looks for:devil: :wink: )

[ElaineB]

Really good dancing tonight ... enjoyed all of them. Just not sure why some of the girls seemed to think that it's a good idea to keep making their costumes shorter - Carol Smilie's outfit was one of the most glam - (and she has fab legs) - but also had long flowing pieces on it. Don't know if anyone else got bored with continually seeing Emma Bunton's 'knickers'.



Agree about both Carole :clap: and Emma's outfits. Emma's was a little bit too obvious. :blush:

Best dances for me were the Louisa and Vincent in the Tango and Matt and Lillia in the Waltz. For me, they really stood out. :clap:

I think Claire and Brendon will go out tonight.

Elaine

[Juju]

Peter'll stay cos it's his birthday...

[Feelingpink]

i though Emma's dance was poor, Carol's was much better.

Louise or Claire to go out tonite, imoBoth Emma & Carol looked really scared - perhaps Emma because she hasn't had much time to practise this week and Carol, because of last week's comments from the judges. It was as if Carol only remembered to smile after the first half a minute or so.

[drathzel]

Peter went :( although i didnt want emma, mark or louisa to go

[Baruch]

It's a pity Claire and Brendan didn't go. I don't know whether Claire was sticking her tongue out at the judges or at Peter and Erin when she was told she'd be back next week, but either way there was no need for it. Plus she's probably the worst dancer there. Perhaps next week? Let's live in hope...

[Yogi_Bear]

Peter to go? The correct decision. He has tried hard but his time has definitely come. I am really glad to see Claire and Brendan still there - they have this kind of happy go lucky approach to all of it and don't just play it safe - plus they have danced some seriously sexy routines. I pretty much like all the others too, especially Louisa and Vincent - they always seem to dance well despite her coming onto the floor like a bag of nerves......
Downside - I'm getting fed up with Brucie's line in humour....but Tess has a great line in dresses.

[Baruch]

I'm getting fed up with Brucie's line in humour
Is there anyone who isn't? Surely it's time to put him out to pasture now. He just isn't funny.

[ElaineB]

Wow Wow Wow! Matt blew me away tonight, he was awesome! :worthy: :waycool: :clap:

My other favourites were Louisa and Vincent, I thought they looked really sharp!:waycool:

But I'm afraid Marc went down in my estimation this week :sad: all that wimpy stuff about invading my personal space.:rolleyes: He's going to have to get over his hang-ups if he's going to impress the judges, especially Arlene. (we all know what she looks for:devil: :wink: )

It was a bit like watching someone dancing with a reluctant ex! Arlene was right, poor Karen overdanced to make up for him and then she looked a little wobbly at times. Let's hope that he was just having a funny week and can get to grips with it next week.

As for Emma and Darren, goodness, didn't they look incredibly tense when in the bottom two? :eek: I thought Darren was going to burst into tears. I presume people thought that they would be safe ( I did!), so didn't bother to vote for them. Although they weren't brilliant this week, it would have been a great shame to see them go.

Elaine

[Lory]

It was a bit like watching someone dancing with a reluctant ex! Arlene was right, poor Karen overdanced to make up for him and then she looked a little wobbly at times. Let's hope that he was just having a funny week and can get to grips with it next week.:yeah: Karen was in such a difficult situation, I got the feeling she was desperately trying to dance enough 'for both of them' hoping that some of her enthusiasm would rub off on him.
I sincerely hope he learns from this week and really goes for it next week, cos IMO he's got the talent :worthy:




As for Emma and Darren, goodness, didn't they look incredibly tense when in the bottom two? :eek: I thought Darren was going to burst into tears. I presume people thought that they would be safe ( I did!), so didn't bother to vote for them. Although they weren't brilliant this week, it would have been a great shame to see them go.

Elaine
I was shocked too but did notice the lack of hours they'd put in compared to the others? I reckon with more practice, they'd be back on top again :na:

[David Bailey]

Looking at Matt and Lilia, I'm developing a theory (which I expounded on at some length on the way home last night, apologies to my passenger but it kept me awake), about "sportspeople" vs. "performers".

I think the performers always start with an advantage, in that the first dances are judged mainly on "performance" value, as no-one really expects people to be proficient technically. And similarly, sportspeople are more inhibited at the start, so they get less marks.

But as the series go on, and if the sportspeople hang on, their willingness to work hard, combined with their high levels of fitness, generally means they seem to improve much faster than the entertainment-oriented celebs.

So we see Denise Lewis, Colin Jackson, Darren Gough and Mark / Matt - they all improved greatly as time goes on, much more so than most of the actors or whatever.

What do people think?

[Juju]

Looking at Matt and Lilia, I'm developing a theory (which I expounded on at some length on the way home last night, apologies to my passenger but it kept me awake), about "sportspeople" vs. "performers".

I think the performers always start with an advantage, in that the first dances are judged mainly on "performance" value, as no-one really expects people to be proficient technically. And similarly, sportspeople are more inhibited at the start, so they get less marks.

But as the series go on, and if the sportspeople hang on, their willingness to work hard, combined with their high levels of fitness, generally means they seem to improve much faster than the entertainment-oriented celebs.

So we see Denise Lewis, Colin Jackson, Darren Gough and Mark / Matt - they all improved greatly as time goes on, much more so than most of the actors or whatever.

What do people think?

Sounds fair to me. Also Matt and Darren were a bit stiff, so to speak, to begin with - dancing being a poof's game and all that. Then they get hooked, plus they are inevitably incredibly competitve, so their dancing suddenly takes off.

[jivecat]

Looking at Matt and Lilia, I'm developing a theory (which I expounded on at some length on the way home last night, apologies to my passenger but it kept me awake), about "sportspeople" vs. "performers".

I think the performers always start with an advantage, in that the first dances are judged mainly on "performance" value, as no-one really expects people to be proficient technically. And similarly, sportspeople are more inhibited at the start, so they get less marks.

But as the series go on, and if the sportspeople hang on, their willingness to work hard, combined with their high levels of fitness, generally means they seem to improve much faster than the entertainment-oriented celebs.

So we see Denise Lewis, Colin Jackson, Darren Gough and Mark / Matt - they all improved greatly as time goes on, much more so than most of the actors or whatever.

What do people think?

I agree. Many non-sportspeople don't start with the degree of physical training to meet the challenges and aren't able to acquire it in time. But performers often have a high degree of "attitude" which, IMO, is much harder to just learn, you've either got it or you haven't - hence the unconvincing performance of Mark last night, because he wasn't able to fake it, though physically he has all the skills.

Although 2 out of three winners so far have not been sportspeople.

Referring back to the argument about Aled Jones, that a musician would do well because they would feel, understand and interpret the music better. How have musicians fared against performers and sportspeople, in general?

[Feelingpink]

Looking at Matt and Lilia, I'm developing a theory (which I expounded on at some length on the way home last night, apologies to my passenger but it kept me awake), about "sportspeople" vs. "performers".

I think the performers always start with an advantage, in that the first dances are judged mainly on "performance" value, as no-one really expects people to be proficient technically. And similarly, sportspeople are more inhibited at the start, so they get less marks.

But as the series go on, and if the sportspeople hang on, their willingness to work hard, combined with their high levels of fitness, generally means they seem to improve much faster than the entertainment-oriented celebs.

So we see Denise Lewis, Colin Jackson, Darren Gough and Mark / Matt - they all improved greatly as time goes on, much more so than most of the actors or whatever.

What do people think?I'm not sure I'd agree with the generalisation that sportspeople are always more inhibited at the start but I can see where you're going.

My take on this is that sportspeople are more used to being coached and working out what it takes to be the number one - how many people want the silver medal? Matt is now making a living (or at least is promoting himself) at motivational speaking. His breakthrough in SCD came with coaching from a drama teacher. The chances are that he knew there was a barrier and was very open to someone helping him to identify it - so when it was done - whoosh - off he goes. It also probably helps that he doesn't seem to be 'working' at the moment - so he can focus solely on SCD - and what a feather in his cap for his new business if he wins. It's a great promotional story for personal coaching.

[Lory]

His breakthrough in SCD came with coaching from a drama teacher.

:yeah: Karen should get her in, for Mark :wink:

[Feelingpink]

Ooooh yes. Great idea Lory

[Lynn]

Best dances for me were the Louisa and Vincent in the Tango and Matt and Lillia in the Waltz. For me, they really stood out. :yeah: I loved the AT touches in their Tango - the 'shoe shine' at the start, a few little ochos.

I loved Matt last week and loved him even more this week. He's really upped his game and is putting so much passion and effort into this. Mark on the other hand looked like he was backing off this week.

[philsmove]

Looking at Matt and Lilia, I'm developing a theory ............
What do people think?

Anyone dancing with Lilla :drool: :clap: ............has an unfair advantage

[Trouble]

Louisa and Vince were clearly overmarked. The dance was no way good enough for a 34. i dont understand why they marked them so high.??

[FirstMove]

Matt was easily the best this week, but he's had two weeks in a row now where he's spent most of the dance in ballroom hold. I fear for him in the Latin dances.

[Lynn]

Matt was easily the best this week, but he's had two weeks in a row now where he's spent most of the dance in ballroom hold. I fear for him in the Latin dances.I think he can manage the technical challenges - its the attitude and confidence he needed to improve and these past two weeks have helped. I'm looking forward to seeing how this has impacted his latin dancing. His hands have certainly much improved.

I think Peter went this week because the judges marked him lowest without being horrible to him, so he lost the 'sympathy vote' that was probably keeping him in.

I saw a bit of the 'X Factor' today - Simon Cowell said of one act he thought should be leaving 'Its almost as if the more I criticise them, the more people vote for them. I don't understand it all.' Well, duh!

[Juju]

:yeah: I loved the AT touches in their Tango - the 'shoe shine' at the start, a few little ochos.

I believe ochos are best when combined with dips.



:what: Oh, come on!

That's got to be worth rep! :D

[David Bailey]

I believe ochos are best when combined with dips.



:what: Oh, come on!

That's got to be worth rep! :D
Don't tempt me... :devil:

[Feelingpink]

I believe ochos are best when combined with dips.



:what: Oh, come on!

That's got to be worth rep! :DWhat? Ochos & dips followed by rep tart? :sick:

[Juju]

You're both rotters and meanies. :tears:

[Feelingpink]

Just because the rep tarting didn't work, doesn't mean the sympathy vote is going to either ...... :grin: We're both sweeties underneath ... just like Arlene & Craig (H)RH :blush: (she says, trying to bring this thread back on topic .... ) :rolleyes:

[Juju]

Just because the rep tarting didn't work, doesn't mean the sympathy vote is going to either ...... :grin: We're both sweeties underneath ... just like Arlene & Craig (H)RH :blush: (she says, trying to bring this thread back on topic .... ) :rolleyes:

Suppose sulking won't work then...?

Like it didn't work for Brendan. (See! On topic! :D)

[Lynn]

(she says, trying to bring this thread back on topic .... ) :rolleyes:I don't know what's happened to this place recently. Threads being brought back on topic? And I've noticed several dance topics that haven't meandered into chit chat... there must be some new powerful influence afoot. :wink:

[Warwick]

I'm really not good at dancing. I'm not a demonstrative soul.

I didn't used to be good at mountain climbing or mountain biking. I can get along solo on those though.

When I was younger, I was a rugby player (not league). I played Hooker in a slightly oddly aranged team where scrum half wasn't the fastest thing on the pitch. My job was to win a scrum, but then be upright to receive the ball when most teams are heading the ball off to the faster runners.

There's a certain elegance and ability in balance needed to leg it past 15 people. I did a run once from our own touchline to the other end. I probably evaded 20+ attempts to stop me. Even so I can't make lines lok that good and I've been converted to trying to make my parntner look good in a dance for 5 years.

Ny Rugby stardom was curtailed after a lot of easy tries.

[ElaineB]

I'm really not good at dancing. I'm not a demonstrative soul.

I didn't used to be good at mountain climbing or mountain biking. I can get along solo on those though.



I thought you were starting a poem! :rofl:


Elaine

[tiger]

well.. who's going out this week then.

As i usually get it wrong im going for Claire or Carol

[jivecat]

Time for Claire to go, I think. I want to see Emma, Mark and Matt in the final.

[mrs_warwick]

I want Vincent to go; can't stand him. I couldn't watch tonight's ITT, there was just too much Vincent on it. Louisa is tolerable, but he really winds me up.

I want to see Mark, Carol, and either Matt or Emma in the final

[jivecat]

I want Vincent to go; can't stand him. I couldn't watch tonight's ITT, there was just too much Vincent on it. Louisa is tolerable, but he really winds me up.



I don't mind Vincent (despite the dodgy sparkly hairy keyhole aberration) but Louisa gets right on my wick. Considering she's got boundless youth and energy on her side she's not nearly as good as she ought to be. And she seems to make the mistake of assuming that moves is where it's at, whereas I think her technique needs a lot of attention. I think Vincent's been struggling to shut up the giggling long enough to get any practising done.

[ElaineB]

well.. who's going out this week then.

As I usually get it wrong im going for Claire or Carol



I also think Claire, although there is a story (in the Mirror I think?) about Claire and Brendon having a bit of a thing. :whistle: The gossip may improve their ratings..........


Elaine

[Emma]

I believe ochos are best when combined with dips.

I thought ochos were biscuits.... :innocent:

[Rhythm King]

I thought ochos were biscuits.... :innocent:

In which case, they'd be better dunked than dipped

[Freya]

In which case, they'd be better dunked than dipped

Oh dear they just get worse don't they hun!

[ElaineB]

Wow! Respect to Matt in the Jive - much better than I thought he could do!

Matt and Carol - lovely performance in the Waltz, but I can see what Arlene means, she does need to enjoy it a bit more, but excellent!

Louisa and Vincent - the Paso, fabulous! :respect:

Darren and Emma - the American Smooth was wonderful, but I don't know why, Emma just doesn't quite do it for me.

Claire and Brendon - creditable Samba, but again, Arlene was right, Brendon was pulling Claire around the floor.

Mark and Karen - the Vieniese Waltz - they received top marks and thoroughly deserved them as well. :respect: I am sure that I heard Len mention a ten to the other Judges - anyone else? Wonderful dress by the way, I want that one and I want to do the Vienese Waltz in it!

So, who to go? I think it must be Claire and Brendon and he seems to be resigned to it as well.

Elaine

[Lynn]

So, who to go? I think it must be Claire and Brendon and he seems to be resigned to it as well. I think they should, based on that samba. They weren't mauled by the judges too much so won't get a big sympathy vote. But you never know...

I'd hate to see Matt leave, I want him in the final!

[Feelingpink]

...

Darren and Emma - the American Smooth was wonderful, but I don't know why, Emma just doesn't quite do it for me. Me neither - perhaps it's a girl thing? She's someone I'd be happy to have a glass of wine with ... maybe I don't believe she's really been bitten by the bug?


Claire and Brendon - creditable Samba, but again, Arlene was right, Brendon was pulling Claire around the floor.

Mark and Karen - the Vieniese Waltz - they received top marks and thoroughly deserved them as well. :respect: I am sure that I heard Len mention a ten to the other Judges - anyone else? Wonderful dress by the way, I want that one and I want to do the Vienese Waltz in it!

So, who to go? I think it must be Claire and Brendon and he seems to be resigned to it as well.

ElaineI'd like Claire & B to go as well. She always seems to have an excuse for not doing as well as she might. Realise the microphone came adrift during the group dance, but not sure if that's why she slipped and then needed pulling into position during their solo bit and she was late about three times including the final lift.

Wouldn't it be fun if we could give negatives votes as well as positive ones :devil: Have voted for Mark & Matt - so enjoyed their performances & want to see them in the final.

[philsmove]

I suspect its Claire & Brendan for the chop tonight
Carol Smilie and Louisa should make it to the final,

[David Bailey]

So, who to go? I think it must be Claire and Brendon and he seems to be resigned to it as well.
Yeah, Claire looked way out of her depth tonight, I'd definitely say she should go based on the performance.

And I wonder how many of those "romance" stories were designed knowing that she's reached her limit and needs more votes to have a chance of staying in?

[Feelingpink]

Yeah, Claire looked way out of her depth tonight, I'd definitely say she should go based on the performance.

And I wonder how many of those "romance" stories were designed knowing that she's reached her limit and needs more votes to have a chance of staying in?I'd be more likely to vote for her if there was no 'romance' with Brendan. :blush: It seems so inevitable. :sad:

[ElaineB]

Yeah, Claire looked way out of her depth tonight, I'd definitely say she should go based on the performance.

And I wonder how many of those "romance" stories were designed knowing that she's reached her limit and needs more votes to have a chance of staying in?

I thought that too!

Elaine

[FirstMove]

Matt's Jive was OK, but I think he's on his way out. Claire seems to have a larger and more reliable fan-base.

[David Bailey]

Well, thank God for that.

I thought the Curse Of The Judgeslapping would help them stay in, but they're out.

On dance form, Carol should be out next week, but who knows, anyone could go now...

I still don't know what they're going to do about the Missing Competitor - has anyone heard? Are they just going to finish a week early? Do a one-off special? What?

[cheeks]

Totally lost track of time and for the second time tonight missed it..................( must remember thats why remote has a reminder......) can someone give me an update on performances and who left tonight..............

ty.

Pauline :flower:

[Baruch]

Darren and Emma - the American Smooth was wonderful, but I don't know why, Emma just doesn't quite do it for me.

Me neither - perhaps it's a girl thing?
No, it's not just a girl thing. Or at least, if it is, I'm very much in touch with my feminine side.

Emma just doesn't seem to have that certain something that would set her apart. She does all the steps, but doesn't quite look like it comes from the heart, somehow.

If I was a betting man, my money would be on Mark and Karen to win, closely followed by Louisa and Vincent in second place. Unless, of course, Mark and Karen "fall at the last hurdle" like Colin and Erin did last year, but I can't see that happening.

[philsmove]

.... Or at least, if it is, I'm very much in touch with my feminine side.

:yeah:

No it’s not a girly thing

My bet is that Emma is for the chop next week

She has that “nobody home” look :cheers:

[Warwick]

Well, thank God for that.

I thought the Curse Of The Judgeslapping would help them stay in, but they're out.


I think the judges have cottoned on (about time too). While they criticised it, they were all nice about how much they'd *enjoyed* watching it and how much *fun* it had been. It wasn't a full blown attack.

I was a bit distracted through the first show and felt it was abysmal on what I saw, with lots of repetition of simple moves. I was surprised that it was marked as highly as it was. I watched it again between shows and was once more surprised at how enjoyable it was to watch. Technically, there was a big challenge in the piece when the camera came between the two dancers for a close up of jiggling upper body from Claire. It had to had been choreographed. and rehearsed, but rehearsing 'And the camera comes "now" ' is an oddity.

[Warwick]

On dance form, Carol should be out next week, but who knows, anyone could go now...


I'd go with that assessment. I actually spent 75p tonight to try to make sure that Claire went. Matt, Carol and Mark got a vote each.

I'd be happy to see Carol off next, but a vote at the lower end to rescue her this week couldn't hurt to get rid of the worst.

I'd like to see the 'stenders actress off after Carol. Part of that is that she's 17 and should really be able to lift it some more. The annoying bit is that she's an actress so should be able to do the sultry disdainful look for the latin, but has thus far managed a look of abject terror in the latin. *technically* and *timing* fine but she was acted off the dance floor by her professional tonight.

[ElaineB]

I'd be happy to see Carol off next, but a vote at the lower end to rescue her this week couldn't hurt to get rid of the worst.



Poor Carol - she is technically quite good, but obviously lacks confidence and appears to be just going through the routine. There was a marked improvement this week though. IF she can get her act together and as Arlene says, 'dances from the heart', then I could see her as a possible contender for the final. Otherwise, yes, I also think she should be out next week.

What did you think of the mini people who danced a routine! :respect: I thought they were fabulous! The boys in particular seemed to stand out, especially in the Jive.


Elaine

[FirstMove]

I still don't know what they're going to do about the Missing Competitor - has anyone heard? Are they just going to finish a week early? Do a one-off special? What?

They keep saying the number of programmes left, which is always competitors-1. Previously, there have been 3 couples in the final, so presumably there'll now be just 2.

If they want to keep the programme length the same they can give the pros an extra show dance, get their singer to sing a bit longer - or if they're really cruel, give the 2 couples an extra dance to do :devil: I suggest Morris Dancing :waycool:

[jivecat]

I'd like to see the 'stenders actress off after Carol. Part of that is that she's 17 and should really be able to lift it some more. The annoying bit is that she's an actress so should be able to do the sultry disdainful look for the latin, but has thus far managed a look of abject terror in the latin. *technically* and *timing* fine but she was acted off the dance floor by her professional tonight.:yeah: I always think she looks a bit wobbly. When she's asked to do multiple turns or spins her feet start to teeter. Vincent should have trained her out of that by now. She seems a bit over-confident whereas some of the others are under-confident. Like Emma Bunton. I thought she was definitely in with a chance for the final at the start of the series, but hasn't really fulfilled that promise. Surprising as she's got so much experience of performance.

I'd much prefer to see Carol or Emma in the final than Louisa, but maybe it's just because she fails Feeling Pink's "glass of wine" test!

But as long as Mark & Carol are in the final I don't really mind too much!



What did you think of the mini people who danced a routine! :respect: I thought they were fabulous! The boys in particular seemed to stand out, especially in the Jive.
Elaine

Weren't they gorgeous? (Why didn't my mother send me to ballroom classes when I was 8? Humpphh!)

[drathzel]

This vote is just for fun.

Who do you think should be knocked out?

Matt & Lilia



(17.3%)
Louisa & Vincent



(8.3%)
Carol & Matthew



(46.2%)
Emma & Darren



(23.5%)
Mark & Karen



(4.7%)
Total votes: 759


from the scd website

i voted carol to go. I think she will go this week

[Feelingpink]

I loved the junior ballroom dancers commenting on Saturday night's performances, as soon on tonight's ITT - they were so honest and cutting. Actually, I think I may just hate them in real life, but it did make for entertaining TV.

But more importantly, has Claudia had her fringe cut? DJ?

[Juju]

I loved the junior ballroom dancers commenting on Saturday night's performances, as soon on tonight's ITT - they were so honest and cutting. Actually, I think I may just hate them in real life, but it did make for entertaining TV.

I loved their comments on Claire's dancing. :rofl:

Also, one of these :respect: to Claire for being so spirited and good-humoured about it all.


But more importantly, has Claudia had her fringe cut? DJ?

Claudia's hair? Claudia's shoes.

[Feelingpink]

I loved their comments on Claire's dancing. :rofl:

Also, one of these :respect: to Claire for being so spirited and good-humoured about it all.



Claudia's hair? Claudia's shoes.Sorry - missed those (note to self not to knit during ITT). You have to tell. :what: :blush: What shoes? Only remember Emma Bunton's silver knickers, sartorially speaking

[Juju]

Sorry - missed those (note to self not to knit during ITT). You have to tell. :what: :blush: What shoes? Only remember Emma Bunton's silver knickers, sartorially speaking

Mental shoes. Every day. Like... 5" heels. And so not right with the sixties chick look.

Oh, and Emma Bunton's knickers. Embarassment City.

[FirstMove]

Not looking good for Matt again. It felt like the Rumba was about to start any sec, then it was over.

I was unimpressed by Carol's dances, but the judges loved them :confused:

Mark's samba was brill :clap:

[Feelingpink]

Not looking good for Matt again. It felt like the Rumba was about to start any sec, then it was over.

I was unimpressed by Carol's dances, but the judges loved them :confused:

Mark's samba was brill :clap::yeah: My thoughts were that Matt had been given almost no 'steps' so he didn't have to dance much - but it was so transparent. Carol's pink costume was amazing and she managed to smile throughout ... perhaps she could have a couple of vodkas beforehand? (Does anyone else keep getting the urge to ask her to run up some cushions or go paint a wall?)

Not sure about Emma's Rhumba(?) in the black outfit. The music & choreography was soooooo fabulous, but I thought Emma just looked stressed & old instead of fiery. Ah well :blush:

Was today's show the Night of Nines? And could we get any more judges' comments presented as sound bites rather than proper sentences? :sick:

[Yliander]

not sure about Emma's Rhumba(?) in the black outfit. The music & choreography was soooooo fabulous, but I thought Emma just looked stressed & old instead of fiery. Ah well :blush: it was a Paso - loved that costume

[Daydreaming Diva]

it was a Paso - loved that costume

The judges seemed to love Emma tonight. Personally, her Paso was a bit wooden and calculated for my liking. For a seasoned singer/dancer/stage entertainer, I don't find her dancing as good to watch as Carol or Louise.

Strangely there doesn't seem to be an obvious winner this year.

[David Bailey]

Strangely there doesn't seem to be an obvious winner this year.
Strangely, I was thinking just that tonight. :grin:

Emma's clearly been the consistently best dancer, but she's just a bit boring, frankly.
Mark's shown flashes of brilliance - e.g. the salsa - but he's been inconsistent.
Matt's improved greatly, but he's probably not quite as good as the others.
Louisa started out superb, but she's also been up-and-down in form.

The great thing is that it's clearly anybody's race - any of those couples could win, and none of them are donkeys - they're all good dancers. Possibly this means the public are becoming more discerning. I can't imagine a Chris Parker lasting until even this stage in this series, thank goodness.

But no-one's really consistently caught my enthusiasm the way Jill did (with her Jive) in Series 2, or Colin did (with the Paso) in Series 3...

Also, what's this about next week being the quarter-finals? I thought this week was the quarters (5 couples), next week would be the semis (4 couples), and the week would be after the finals (3 couples)?

Have they changed the format because of Tarby dropping out? Will the finals be two couples going head-to-head?

[Warwick]

OK. The maths got easy tonight,

Well, they weren't strict enough.

I don't think Louisa was penalised enough for not dancing an actual proper waltz for more than 12 seconds.

Chuck the Judges favourite into the bottom 2 with such a small pool and I get an in into what the audience voted.

This is the *minimum* score required from audience vote working from the bottom scoring judges position. I *can't* make the votes work out any other way.

Competitor Judge Score Public Vote Total
Emma 5 1 6
Louisa 4 3 7
Carol 3 2 5
Mark 2 4 6
Matt 1 5 6

Since the audience vote outweighs the judges, this works.

[Yliander]

The judges seemed to love Emma tonight. Personally, her Paso was a bit wooden and calculated for my liking. I can't disagree with that - but personally it was the paso I lhave liked the best of the ones I have seen on this show



For a seasoned singer/dancer/stage entertainer, I don't find her dancing as good to watch as Carol or Louise. I have really enjoyed Carol's dancing - but Louise's dancing does nothing for me leaves me absolutely cold and as a personality she makes me want to slap her *shrug* go figure

[David Franklin]

Emma's clearly been the consistently best dancer, but she's just a bit boring, frankly.Funny - my perception is Louisa is the most consistent; Emma's been a bit more up and down.


The great thing is that it's clearly anybody's race - any of those couples could win, and none of them are donkeys - they're all good dancers.

But no-one's really consistently caught my enthusiasm the way Jill did (with her Jive) in Series 2, or Colin did (with the Paso) in Series 3...Agreed. I think part of the problem is that although this is the strongest last five out of all the series competition, I don't think any of them are really up to the standard of the top 3 from S3. They are all still making fluffs, or looking really uncertain and self-conscious, while at this point Colin, Zoe and Darren all looked totally focussed on the dancing.

At this point, my money's on Louisa; she's consistently in the top 2 or 3, she comes across as very likeable, and she doesn't have the "judges favourite" thing counting against her. I also think Vincent is one of the better choreographers (even if he is an irritating git), and he has professional showdance experience, which has to help if they get to the final.


Have they changed the format because of Tarby dropping out? Will the finals be two couples going head-to-head?No-one seems to know. That would be my guess at the moment - it's what they do in the American show (Dancing With The Stars). But with only two dancers that sounds like we'll be getting even more padding than usual! :tears:

[David Franklin]

OK. The maths got easy tonight,Yes.

This is the *minimum* score required from audience vote working from the bottom scoring judges position. I *can't* make the votes work out any other way.I agree, your totals are the only way the voting could have gone:

Matt beat Emma: since his maximum possible score was 6 and Emma's minimum was also 6, that must be what they both got and so Matt scored 5 with the Public and Emma scored 1. Then Mark beating Emma means he must have scored 4 with the Public. Carol lost to Emma, so must have scored less than 6 in total and so got only 2 from the public. That leaves Louisa getting a 3 from the public vote.

Emma is now in the "Zoe" position: she will probably stay in a while longer, because she won't get voted out unless the public vote a perfect reversal of the judges' ranking. But she's clearly the least popular, so she's not winning the competition unless she can change things round.

[clevedonboy]

Next weeks result show has been moved to 7:40 to duff up the new ITV show & has been stretched to 50 minutes - I suspect that we will have the Tarby Twist this week. (my guess Judges nominate a wildcard to return for the S/f on the 16th with the viewers getting 20 mins to vote a couple back in)

[Lynn]

But no-one's really consistently caught my enthusiasm the way Jill did (with her Jive) in Series 2, or Colin did (with the Paso) in Series 3...Agree. I was also thinking tonight that the Rhumba seems to be where many of the male celebs are falling down, and Colin's was great. Also agree with DavidF - much as we've had a high standard this year, with several strong couples, I don't think they are coming out as good as some of the past finalists.

[ElaineB]

Just watched the review - that was sooo sad! Carol did her best performace so far, whereas Matt was not very good, although I enjoyed the choreography immensely.

I am not sure about Emma's Paso! What was that expression? :sick:

Louisa was fab, although did seem to loose balance once or twice in the cha cha cha.

Mark was terribly disappointing in the fox trot, but boy, was the Samba hot!

For me, it is Louisa to win. Emma and Darren must be getting a bit worried now, as the public are clearly not voting for them.

Wonderful choreography again tonight, especially from Darren and Vincent. :respect:

Elaine

[David Bailey]

For me, it is Louisa to win. Emma and Darren must be getting a bit worried now, as the public are clearly not voting for them.
It's interesting to note how the "floating voters" react once their favourites have been knocked out - obviously they don't just go away, as there are (I believe) more voters each week usually.

So, presumably, someone with a relatively large "constituency" at the start - and therefore who can cruise through the first few weeks - will have less and less of an advantage as time goes on, because the size of other competitors' relative votes will also increas.

Ig this is true - and it certainly seems plausible - I think this is a Good Thing - it means that it gets to be more of a genuine competition, and less of a "name" contest, as time goes on.

[Rock Princess]

With the comments regarding Matt I'm at a loss. When I saw their latin dance, it was clear that Lilla thought that Matt couldn't do it as she did all the dancing and he posed to show her, personally I'd give the audiance more credit, to reconise the difference.

[tiger]

i agree Matt's rumba was very poor.

The problem with the show is they just dont care about the credibility etc as the viewing figures are high+ the votes make money for charity.

[David Bailey]

The problem with the show is they just dont care about the credibility etc as the viewing figures are high+ the votes make money for charity.
Actually, I reckon that, barring the odd tragic mistake (e.g. Ray Fearon), the public have been getting better in judgement over the past few series.

Bear in mind that we had Chris Parker as a finalist in Series 1, and that we had Julian Cleary as a finalist in Series 2 - overall, I think the public is voting more for the dancing now than they were.

Apart from the fact that it features dancing ( :clap: ) SCD's different from most other reality shows, because it's positive - it teaches people skills, it promotes development, you vote for people rather than against them, and so on.

Compare it to shows like Big Brother which is geared to humiliation, hatred and exploitation, and you'll just be thankful that some people at the Beeb have survived the ravages of the accountants long enough to remember how to do quality family telly.

[Ballroom queen]

Mental shoes. Every day. Like... 5" heels. ...........

and then she tries to do a heel turn in them!!! I was amazed she didn't break them, fall over and kill herself. On live TV !!!!:rofl: :rofl:

[Feelingpink]

Husband and wife Darren & Lilia were on the Breakfast TV programme this morning. Both were hoping they would be in the final - and Darren said he wouldn't mind if either of them won - as long as the trophy stays in their house! When asked who they hoped would win, Lilia said she hoped it would be her and Matt and thought that Darren would probably be hoping for it to be him & Louisa. Shouldn't she have meant Emma? :blush:

Oh - and they both help each other with choreography since time is short.

They also said there is going to be a 'special' - so wonder if that is going to fill in the 'extra' week because of Jimmy Tarbuck dropping out.

[Chef]

Just in case anyone is interested --- Lilia will be on Radio 4 this saturday at 10:30am in her show called "fat lads don't dance". She is going to be looking at why it is so hard to tear blokes away from the bar and onto the dance floor.

Got to be worth a listen. I wonder if it will be available a a podcast>

[Juju]

Is it just me or does Craig R-H look like a cross between Tintin and a White Rhino?

[Lynn]

Is it just me or does Craig R-H look like a cross between Tintin and a White Rhino?The hair was definitely rather Tintin tonight. :what:

[Feelingpink]

Aaaaarrrgggghhhh - this week it was really difficult to choose the best. Louisa looked half asleep, Emma just looks weird when she's doing 'fierce', Mark's feet were ghastly in the jive and Matt wasn't as sparkly as his outfits. And Tess's dress ... well, the top half is just odd - or perhaps that's just me.

[Tiggerbabe]

No, it's not just you, it's definitely odd :)

[David Bailey]

Well, that was a bit rubbish wasn't it?

Honestly, not one performance wowed me.

Emma and Darren are technically the best, but they're boring as hell.
I keep rooting for Mark and Karen, but they keep misfiring.
Louisa and Vincent were totally substandard tonight.
Matt and Lilia are probably the least talented, but they generally keep their cool.

I dunno, this series hasn't had a "magic moment" yet (like Jill and Darren's Jive, or Ian and Zoe's samba), and I'm starting to think it won't have one :sad:

They're supposed to be getting better by now - where are the 10s?

I know it's 2 dances, but even so, some of them are repeating dances by now aren't they?

Also, if next week's the semis, with 3 couples, what's happening in the finals? :confused:

[StokeBloke]

Aaaaarrrgggghhhh - this week it was really difficult to choose the best. Louisa looked half asleep, Emma just looks weird when she's doing 'fierce', Mark's feet were ghastly in the jive and Matt wasn't as sparkly as his outfits. And Tess's dress ... well, the top half is just odd - or perhaps that's just me.

Nope! It's not just you. Tess is one of those beautiful woment who needs to sack her wardrobe team! She always looks almost amazing. The comments you made on the dancers were spot on, I think Emma's biggest problem is that she started out at such a high level. The others have improved loads, whereas she has improved at a more steady rate. C'est la vie....

Loved watching the Jive though... WoW! :respect:

[Tiggerbabe]

I thought Mark started the Jive very well, he and Karen looked very together in the beginning, but totally lost it when he made a mistake and he never got it back together after that. I liked Matt and Lillia's Samba :)

[Juju]

And Emma's being overmarked and overpraised (in my uneducated opinion).

[Juju]

I did like Matt's wiggling. It wasn't the best ever, but I'm beginning to think he deserves to win just for having made such a lot of progress.

[Juju]

Oh, oh, oh, and - last post, I promise - Tess Daly's frocks... one shocker after another. :eek:

[Feelingpink]

My birthday fantasy is now to have an AT dance with three guys in black like Flavia just had :drool: :drool:

[StokeBloke]

Vincent's Tango.... WOW!!!!!!!! That was absolutely awesome! Not often I find myself applauding the TV, but that was one of those moments! :worthy:

[Tiggerbabe]

My birthday fantasy is now to have an AT dance with three guys in black like Flavia just had :drool: :drool:
Me too :drool: that was incredible :respect:

[FirstMove]

Why do we have to have a dance off? :sad: In Strictly Dance Fever, they rub salt in the wound by making them repeat their worst dance. Here, they make them do their best dance - so the judges are left telling them that they just need to repeat what they did before. Which we've already seen.

Craig said the public shouldn't be choosing between the two ladies, as this is supposed to be a dance contest, but Louisa was bottom with the judges :confused:

Why was Vincent wearing his pyjamas?

My post is as padded as the results programme :blush: :rolleyes:.

[Lory]

Wow, Flavia is one lucky girl! :drool: :yum: :devil:

It looks like we're all in agreement about Tessa's dresses :sick:

Marks Jive, at first I went, yesss, he's got it :clap: followed by :sad: he's lost it :sick:

I liked Emma and Darren's choice of music to the Tango but somehow it didn't create enough passion for me and I didn't notice 'any' hip swivelling turns in the Rumba at all :confused:

Louisa was so cute and bubbly and I really felt for her but she needed to calm down, as I think it was her lack of balance and poise that was her downfall. :(

I enjoyed Matt's dancing tonight but most of all, i've loved watching his journey, I just hope he gets slightly more aggresive and performs the dances with a bit more attack next week! :devil: :yeah:

[Minnie M]

Wow Vincent & Falvia :respect: :worthy: :respect: - can't wait for Southport even more so now :clap: :clap: :clap: wonder if they will do that cabaret there - they could use a couple of well know forumites as the extra men :whistle:

[ElaineB]

Wow, Flavia is one lucky girl! :drool: :yum: :devil:

It looks like we're all in agreement about Tessa's dresses :sick:

Marks Jive, at first I went, yesss, he's got it :clap: followed by :sad: he's lost it :sick:

I liked Emma and Darren's choice of music to the Tango but somehow it didn't create enough passion for me and I didn't notice 'any' hip swivelling turns in the Rumba at all :confused:

Louisa was so cute and bubbly and I really felt for her but she needed to calm down, as I think it was her lack of balance and poise that was her downfall. :(

I enjoyed Matt's dancing tonight but most of all, i've loved watching his journey, I just hope he gets slightly more aggresive and performs the dances with a bit more attack next week! :devil: :yeah:

:yeah:

I only saw the first programme, so missed the dance off and the AT demo.:sad: On balance, I fet that Matt should have gone, but by a very small margain, but as you say Lory, I think balance was the key! Vincent's choreography has been fabulous, although tonight I thought it wasn't quite his usual standard.

Roll on the repeats tonight. I really hope that we get another chance to see the AT........please!


Elaine

[jivecat]

I think Tess's dresses are improving, considering the very strange creations she was wearing in the first couple of shows.

I'm glad Emma's stayed in as I think she has the edge over Louisa as a dancer. I thought there was a slight bias towards encouraging a vote for Louisa during the programme which the judges redressed by endorsing Emma after the dance-off. I was still surprised she stayed in, though.

Emma has the best poise and control, but always looks tense and edgy. Can't imagine why.:rolleyes: Louisa always looks cheerful, but I'm sure Vincent's choreography was chosen so he could hold her up when she came wobbling out of some of those turns.

I think the final will be

1.Emma
2.Mark
3.Matt

Have they had a dance-off in previous comps? It was a really mean thing to do but was very effective in terms of watchability.

[tiger]

Imho, Emma's dancing has been much better than Louisa who has wobbled in virtually every dance that she's done in the series.

[Minnie M]

Wow Vincent & Falvia :respect: :worthy: :respect: - can't wait for Southport even more so now :clap: :clap: :clap: wonder if they will do that cabaret there - they could use a couple of well know forumites as the extra men :whistle:

Ooooo..... forgot - us lucky peeps in the South can see Vincent & Flavia at Dorking Halls in Surrey on 13th February. They will be teaching a taster in Argentine Tango and performing their Argentine Tango cabaret :clap: :clap:

[jivecat]

:yeah:

Roll on the repeats tonight. I really hope that we get another chance to see the AT........please!


Elaine

I've got a video of the AT if anyone's really desperate to see it!

[David Bailey]

I only saw the first programme, so missed the dance off and the AT demo.:sad:
Mmm.... it was nice, but I'm getting really hacked-off with all these lifts in AT show performances. Frankly, they look plain ugly to me.

The best bit, by far the best bit, was when the three guys were circling Flavia, there was some fantastic action going on there; guys interacting with guys as well, it looked great. Plus, some nice walking :)

[Tiggerbabe]

The best bit, by far the best bit, was when the three guys were circling Flavia, there was some fantastic action going on there; guys interacting with guys as well, it looked great.
This was my favourite bit too, just fantastic :respect: and really smooth lead changeovers too.

[Bluey]

Lory said "Louisa was so cute and bubbly and I really felt for her but she needed to calm down, as I think it was her lack of balance and poise that was her downfall. "

I dont know but were you aware of the injury Lousia had, she was told she had to stop dancing ealier last week, full stop, end of her show! Her foot had a blister, on a blister and THAT on top of another, a bad state of infection, poor girl could hardly put her foot down. So sadly she had little balance and Vincent had to try to dance with this mind and be kind to her. I thought in the curcumstances she was first class and poor Vincent was in tears at end after their "last dance", they both wanted to win.
I think the producers will have to reconsider this show at next series, it favours too much sports people, ie last year Darren & Colin, this year Mark & Matt!!
But what about two fantastic dance shows, Vincent & Flavia amazing :respect: ArgentineTango (take note of the judges if you watch that again) and then Ola(the body) & James :clap: (the judges missed that show as they were having a tea break and production crew were sitting there, hence in dark!). Top Notch!! Lets hope they all get good partners in next series!
Bluey

[David Bailey]

I think the producers will have to reconsider this show at next series, it favours too much sports people, ie last year Darren & Colin, this year Mark & Matt!!
But then, Year 1 was a newsreader, Year 2 was an actress, and probably the best dancer in year 3 was a TV presenter.

It's too early to detect a trend - yes, sportspeople are competitive, and fit, obviously, but they're unlikely to have anu background in dance or in performance.

Newsreaders, now - God only knows why they pick newsreaders, shades of Angela Rippon I guess... :rolleyes:

[Feelingpink]

...

Newsreaders, now - God only knows why they pick newsreaders, shades of Angela Rippon I guess... :rolleyes:Or simply wanting celebrities with a following who will vote?

[Bluey]

But then, Year 1 was a newsreader, Year 2 was an actress, and probably the best dancer in year 3 was a TV presenter.

It's too early to detect a trend - yes, sportspeople are competitive, and fit, obviously, but they're unlikely to have anu background in dance or in performance.

Newsreaders, now - God only knows why they pick newsreaders, shades of Angela Rippon I guess... :rolleyes:

Maybe too early but 1st two were BBC employees at some stage. Each series will demand higher standards for those who survive and being much fitter, bears well for sports people.
I thought it was slightly unfair too that just seconds before Lousie had to dance off, ready on floor she was, made tearful by talking to her nan!!

Think its great husband & wife Darren & Lilia, are back in last 3, two former champions(ok one is still current), lovely people too. But for sheer fun and nice to have new winner, over to you Karen(come on Mark do better!)

[Lynn]

Mmm.... it was nice, but I'm getting really hacked-off with all these lifts in AT show performances. Frankly, they look plain ugly to me. Perhaps because you're coming at AT from the perspectice of experience of actually dancing it - their performance is aimed at the general public - who like lifts - it gives the dance the 'wow' factor.

For me the best bit was how they used the steps at the start - I thought that was creative and playful - two of the things I love about AT. Closely followed by -

when the three guys were circling Flavia, there was some fantastic action going on there; guys interacting with guys as well, it looked great. I want an AT dance like that someday.:drool:

[Bara Davies]

My birthday fantasy is now to have an AT dance with three guys in black like Flavia just had :drool: :drool:

You should try to find the dvd of The Tango Lesson - there is a scene in it where the woman dances with three men, and it is THE most exciting dancing I have ever seen - made me determined to learn AT (eventually, when I have the time!). If I remember right, it was MUCH faster and more exciting than the foursome on Sat night!

[jivecat]

I dont know but were you aware of the injury Lousia had, she was told she had to stop dancing ealier last week, full stop, end of her show! Her foot had a blister, on a blister and THAT on top of another, a bad state of infection, poor girl could hardly put her foot down. So sadly she had little balance and Vincent had to try to dance with this mind and be kind to her. Granted, but I don't think she was the only one who's had difficult times during the course of the series. I don't think it was the only cause of her poor balance, either.


I thought in the curcumstances she was first class and poor Vincent was in tears at end after their "last dance", they both wanted to win. They ALL want to win. But the winners shouldn't be the ones we feel sorry for, it should be the consistently best dancers.


I think the producers will have to reconsider this show at next series, it favours too much sports people, ie last year Darren & Colin, this year Mark & Matt!!No way! I love watching the sportspeople.


I thought it was slightly unfair too that just seconds before Lousie had to dance off, ready on floor she was, made tearful by talking to her nan!!One of the good things about this series has been the general absence of tearfulness, even though emotions were clearly running high last night. But I don't see how Louisa dancing despite being tearful made things unfair - no doubt they all felt tearful, she just had her emotions less well-controlled than the others. To my mind, that was possibly an example of trying to influence the public vote by getting sympathy. And she should have been getting focussed for the dance-off, not talking to her Nan!

But considering she is so young I thought she handled the disappointment pretty gracefully. I also felt sorry for Emma who looked as though she was hating having to be the victor.

[Bluey]

Granted, but I don't think she was the only one who's had difficult times during the course of the series. I don't think it was the only cause of her poor balance, either.

Maybe you might like to try balancing on one good foot, with the superb Vincent leading you great moves. I wasnt refering to any one else, sure there was many problems but no has raised the matter of her bad foot and she didnt use it as an excuse!

One of the good things about this series has been the general absence of tearfulness, even though emotions were clearly running high last night. But I don't see how Louisa dancing despite being tearful made things unfair - no doubt they all felt tearful, she just had her emotions less well-controlled than the others. To my mind, that was possibly an example of trying to influence the public vote by getting sympathy. And she should have been getting focussed for the dance-off, not talking to her Nan!

.
Maybe you never saw the interviewer on TV (not Louisa) talking to her nan. Emma didnt get her boyfriend interviewed as she waiting to start dancing did she. Shame hes there (emma's boyfriend) as its affecting Emma performance by not letting fully go in front of him!

Still a big shame that an bad injury did 100% affect Louisa performance. Mentioned on BBC2 but inside word said more.

[David Bailey]

But considering she is so young I thought she handled the disappointment pretty gracefully. I also felt sorry for Emma who looked as though she was hating having to be the victor.
:yeah:
Emma's had a rough time the past two weeks - consistently top marks from the judges and still in the bottom two.

[Feelingpink]

Maybe you never saw the interviewer on TV (not Louisa) talking to her nan. Emma didnt get her boyfriend interviewed as she waiting to start dancing did she. Shame hes there (emma's boyfriend) as its affecting Emma performance by not letting fully go in front of him!

Still a big shame that an bad injury did 100% affect Louisa performance. Mentioned on BBC2 but inside word said more.Why don't we wait until ITT tonight & Louisa is interviewed before we leap to 100% conclusions? Then perhaps Louisa can explain why she thought she lost. :flower:

[David Bailey]

Perhaps because you're coming at AT from the perspectice of experience of actually dancing it - their performance is aimed at the general public - who like lifts - it gives the dance the 'wow' factor.
Yeah, OK, but these weren't even "tango lifts" - you know, the ones where there are lots of midair ganchos and boleos - they were just normal aerials, they could have been from any dance form. Well, maybe not Waltz - but you know what I mean.

Anyway, one side-effect of V&L leaving is that there'll be no AT professionals doing AT in next weeks' class. So, both the pros and the celebs will be learning a new dance. Which should be fun.

I'd really love to know what rules have been devised for the AT - it's such a broad spectrum.

Judging from the BBC page on AT (http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/learning/argentinetango.shtml), which is excellently written, it'll be in close hold, traditional style, and hopefully without any of those silly lifts and twirls and stuff.

[John S]

:yeah:
Emma's had a rough time the past two weeks - consistently top marks from the judges and still in the bottom two.
Louisa is young and will get over the disappointment of losing - at least her losing on Saturday was consistent with the judges' votes and comments. She's done well and has been remarkably composed in all her comments - I actually think she has the most potential to continue improving as a dancer and becoming a genuine all-round performer.

However, if Emma had lost I think it would have been devastating for her to have danced as well as she has, to have been consistently marked well by the judges and then to have effectively been "rejected and ejected" by the public vote. It's bad enough for anyone having to cope in their private life with an unjustified "rejection", think how bad it would be to have to cope with a publicly televised national rejection!

[CeeCee]

Yeah yeah, good dancing, bad dancing, talking grandmas, distracting boyfriends, dreadful dresses, lovely costumes, supportive judges, unfair scoring, public voting, studio criticisms, newsreaders, sportspeople, tears and laughter, we've certainly had it all. When all is said and done these televised competitions are never fair. They are primarily about entertainment.

My birthday fantasy is now to have an AT dance with three guys in black like Flavia just had :drool: :drool:
Make it happen FP, make it happen.

Never mind Vincent, you could start with one of the other men dancing with Flavia (the one on the right who was doing some moody stuff with a chair) is Giraldo who teaches at Corrientes, Haverstock Hill School, Chalk Farm, London. He's very supportive and encouraging and I've been to lots of his classes so I was very excited to see one of MY teachers on the tele.

Several weeks ago he showed me how to practise giros around a chair during a class. Well, I thought we were doing it because there weren't enough leaders. Little did I know it could be preparation for a live TV performance!

Mmm.... it was nice, but I'm getting really hacked-off with all these lifts in AT show performances. Frankly, they look plain ugly to me.

The best bit, by far the best bit, was when the three guys were circling Flavia, there was some fantastic action going on there; guys interacting with guys as well, it looked great. Plus, some nice walking :)
Some nice walking is right and I thought the daggers were going to come out again in true AT fashion when the guys squared up to each other.

[David Bailey]

That tango dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uDp3YJxlgM

Woo-woo :yum:

[sidney]

That tango dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uDp3YJxlgM

Woo-woo :yum:Thanks for that as I miss sats show, and could only watch the sun one, so now I can keep watching that fab A.T:flower:

[Tessalicious]

:drool: :respect: :drool:
(where's the :swoon: smiley gone?)

Thanks for that link DJ, I'm so glad I could see that, since I didn't on Saturday. Loved the triple trouble parts, but also really liked the subtler stuff like the way they really *used* the stairs in their entrance rather than just gliding over them.

I was kinda disappointed that they didn't do more with the music though - just using the opening 8 bars of that song on repeat is such a shame, but I guess it allowed the audience to concentrate on the beautiful stuff going on on the stage.

[Cruella]

That tango dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uDp3YJxlgM

Woo-woo :yum:

Awesome!!

[jivecat]

Maybe you never saw the interviewer on TV (not Louisa) talking to her nan. Emma didnt get her boyfriend interviewed as she waiting to start dancing did she.

I would say that it would have been fairer to Emma if she had as the family interviews are likely to win votes.

Louisa's family took the line that she should win because she's a lovely girl, they're very proud of her and she's doing so well for only seventeen. All true, of course. However, I take the line that the best dancer should win and the judges were pretty much agreed that Louisa was not the best dancer.

[Bluey]

Why don't we wait until ITT tonight & Louisa is interviewed before we leap to 100% conclusions? Then perhaps Louisa can explain why she thought she lost. :flower:

hi inside info thats 100% from some one still there, no names!! she may not even use it as an excuse! Lets see tonight

[Bluey]

I would say that it would have been fairer to Emma if she had as the family interviews are likely to win votes.

Louisa's family took the line that she should win because she's a lovely girl, they're very proud of her and she's doing so well for only seventeen. All true, of course. However, I take the line that the best dancer should win and the judges were pretty much agreed that Louisa was not the best dancer.

Hi what did you think of the mens performances in relation to the girls, I believe the girls celebs were better on the night. The best dancers should win but sadly Ian & Zoe didnt last year, consistently hig marks but lack of passion and this may well happen to Darren & Emma this Saturday, what do you think?

[David Bailey]

Hi what did you think of the mens performances in relation to the girls, I believe the girls celebs were better on the night. The best dancers should win but sadly Ian & Zoe didnt last year, consistently hig marks but lack of passion and this may well happen to Darren & Emma this Saturday, what do you think?
I don't agree that Zoe was the best last year, I think Colin was better (right up until that... awful... doll dance thing :tears: ...ugh, flashback... :eek: ).

Because of the way it's structured, the longer it goes on the more the public votes count - the difference between 1 and 3 is much less than the difference between 1 and 10. And in the end, in the event of a tie the public votes are paramount.

In theory, this should be counterbalanced by the fact that people will be more and more voting on the dancing rather than voting for their favourite personality. In practice, I dunno if this is true or not.

The best dancers clearly won in S1 (!) and S2 - but I'm not so sure about S3. And I suspect Emma's going out next week, come what may, which is a shame.

[Bluey]

I don't agree that Zoe was the best last year, I think Colin was better (right up until that... awful... doll dance thing :tears: ...ugh, flashback... :eek: ).

Because of the way it's structured, the longer it goes on the more the public votes count - the difference between 1 and 3 is much less than the difference between 1 and 10. And in the end, in the event of a tie the public votes are paramount.

In theory, this should be counterbalanced by the fact that people will be more and more voting on the dancing rather than voting for their favourite personality. In practice, I dunno if this is true or not.

The best dancers clearly won in S1 (!) and S2 - but I'm not so sure about S3. And I suspect Emma's going out next week, come what may, which is a shame.

True last year was Colins year until that dummy dance!!! but if you have old points total for last year, it would be interesting to see overall who had most points, Zoe or Ian. I actually wanted Colin to win, Erin being my favourite pro then!!

[Tessalicious]

I expect Zoe and Ian got the same number of points...

[Bluey]

I expect Zoe and Ian got the same number of points...

too right sorry Zoe or Colin

[ElaineB]

Poor, poor Louisa! Saw tonight's SCDITT and she is still very upset! :hug:

They have the Christmas special to work on, so let's hope they can put on a stunning performance!

My feeling is that Emma is the better dancer of the three couples left and I really hope she makes the final..........


Elaine

PS, I thought Colin was the better dancer last year as well! :clap:

[Lynn]

I don't agree that Zoe was the best last year, I think Colin was better (right up until that... awful... doll dance thing :tears: ...ugh, flashback... :eek: ). :yeah:

I also think that Colin was better than either of the 2 male celebs in this year.

Agree Emma should be in the final, not sure which male celeb though - Mark has had some good dances, but Matt has consistently improved week on week.

[SeriouslyAddicted]

I'm afraid that neither Emma nor Matt do it for me. I wanted a Louisa and Mark final :tears: Thought those two had bonded with their pro-dancers the best.

[Lynn]

I'm afraid that neither Emma nor Matt do it for me. I wanted a Louisa and Mark final :tears: Thought those two had bonded with their pro-dancers the best.That illustrates the different things that are important to us as viewers - we're all dancers and we don't agree who we like best. Not just the ones who are technically the best dancers. You liked Louisa and Mark because of how they had bonded with their partners, I like Matt because he has made the most progress (and I love seeing people learn and progress). Others may like those who have the most enthusiasm, or performance skills. I'm sure all these things influence the public vote, as well as who they simply like the best. For some reason the public don't seem to warm to Emma as much, and I think there was an element of this with Zoe last year as well. No idea why.

[jivecat]

That illustrates the different things that are important to us as viewers - we're all dancers and we don't agree who we like best. Not just the ones who are technically the best dancers. You liked Louisa and Mark because of how they had bonded with their partners, I like Matt because he has made the most progress (and I love seeing people learn and progress). Others may like those who have the most enthusiasm, or performance skills. Good point. I'm not really interested in how well they bond with their partners at all, but I do want to see really good dancing technique. In fact, watching how the professionals work is probably the best bit. Exciting choreography is also important but it's a bit wasted if the celeb isn't up to it.

For some reason the public don't seem to warm to Emma as much, and I think there was an element of this with Zoe last year as well. No idea why.True. I can see why they found Zoe irritating but Emma seems like a thoroughly sympathetic character. To me, anyway. But maybe they should put less black eye-liner on her?

[Lory]

we're all dancers and we don't agree who we like best.

:yeah: I want Matt to win, as his progress has given me the greatest amount of pleasure during the series but I also know he's not the strongest dancer.

On another level, I wonder if Mark's votes will be affected by the stories that have come out about him in the news? :rolleyes:

[jivecat]

On another level, I wonder if Mark's votes will be affected by the stories that have come out about him in the news? :rolleyes:

What stories, then? They weren't on Channel 4 News.:rofl:

[TheTramp]

What stories, then? They weren't on Channel 4 News.:rofl:

:yeah: I couldn't find anything about him on the BBC website, and a Google search didn't turn up anything either....

[TheTramp]

I've missed watching on a lot of weeks, so I've not seen everything. Personally, I hope that Karen wins though. With whoever she is dancing with! :rolleyes:

And I hope that Emma makes the final, as she's always scored top marks with the judges, and I think that she's probably consistently the best dancer.

[Lory]

What stories, then? They weren't on Channel 4 News.:rofl:

They're probably a load of old rubbish but look HERE (http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=exclusive--ramps--i-m-a-love-cheat&method=full&objectid=18238582&siteid=62484-name_page.html)

[FirstMove]

I also have different judging criteria! :)

I agree that Matt has improved the most during the series, but if they all started from nothing, then that just means that the other dancers improved more quickly in the six weeks of training before the telly series started.

Emma dances the best, but frequently looks like she's just going through the motions rather than throwing everything into the dance. But, at least she's not being dragged around the floor, like Louisa was.

Mark seems to have got this far on the back of being dishy. Every good dance is cancelled out by a bad one.

I'm tipping Matt.

[Bluey]

:yeah:

I also think that Colin was better than either of the 2 male celebs in this year.

Agree Emma should be in the final, not sure which male celeb though - Mark has had some good dances, but Matt has consistently improved week on week.

am I being too strong by saying Colin was actually better than the two together. On talent I hope emma wins, I know personally Darren really wants to win. Now they need you votes but I do love Karen!!

[Feelingpink]

I also have different judging criteria! :)

I agree that Matt has improved the most during the series, but if they all started from nothing, then that just means that the other dancers improved more quickly in the six weeks of training before the telly series started.

Emma dances the best, but frequently looks like she's just going through the motions rather than throwing everything into the dance. But, at least she's not being dragged around the floor, like Louisa was.

Mark seems to have got this far on the back of being dishy. Every good dance is cancelled out by a bad one.

I'm tipping Matt.I just want the best dancer on the night to win ... although for me, 'best' includes someone who has passion for dancing & I've never seen that with Emma. If the guys keep being as inconsistent as they have been so far, then who knows? :blush:

[Lory]

If the guys keep being as inconsistent as they have been so far, then who knows? :blush:

:yeah: I know, that come Saturday night, if any couple came out and completely blew me away, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for them. :clap:

I'd love someone to stand out as a clear winner but at the moment, they all seem to have good and bad points! :rolleyes: :confused:

[John S]

This may have come up before in the forum discussion, if so I apologise now.

But as the public can vote for their favourite throughout the week BEFORE the Saturday dance, the voting is at least partly nothing to do with the performance on the night. It MAY be to do with previous performances, or (as I believe) it MAY be more to do with personality.

Does anyone have any idea what proportion of the votes are indeed cast beforehand?

[Lindsay]

But as the public can vote for their favourite throughout the week BEFORE the Saturday dance, the voting is at least partly nothing to do with the performance on the night. It MAY be to do with previous performances, or (as I believe) it MAY be more to do with personality.
:yeah:
I still think the vast majority of votes are cast during the show, so those cast throught the week possibly have much less significance(?). I liked Louisa, sorry to see her go. Emma hasn't been doing hugely well with the public so far. Mark's 'affair' scandal may influence voters, so Matt has a good chance now, but he's not my favourite.

I'll probably be watching the X-factor final instead...

[David Bailey]

I still think the vast majority of votes are cast during the show, so those cast throught the week possibly have much less significance(?).
That's what we're regularly told, but they won't release the figures, and I wonder if that "statement" is done to hype the Saturday shows rather than anything else.

After all, if they said "Well, actually, the positions in the polls are pretty much cut-and-dried by Thursdays", that's not the best advert for the Saturday shows :)

One of the Digital Spy forumites had the good idea of asking the Beeb for the figures under the FOI act - details here (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=497229) - but they got rebuffed. Oh well, it was worth a try.


I liked Louisa, sorry to see her go. Emma hasn't been doing hugely well with the public so far. Mark's 'affair' scandal may influence voters, so Matt has a good chance now, but he's not my favourite.
I suspect Emma's likely to get a lot of the "female celeb" votes, as she's the only one left.


I'll probably be watching the X-factor final instead...
Traitor!

[Lindsay]

X-factor - Ray or Leona. . . . hmm
Leona HAS to win! She's amazing, shivers down your spine :worthy:
Ray is cute & charismatic, who knows...
I am usually out on Sat., so record SCD and watch X-Factor the next day.
So, loyal to both, no? :D :wink:

[Lory]

Leona HAS to win! She's amazing, shivers down your spine :worthy:


:yeah: My 15 year old son shouted at me in horror and amazement, to look at the hairs on his arms :eek: :blush: he experienced goosebumps for the first time, without being cold, when Leona sang! :worthy: :rofl:

[Juju]

Yeah yeah, good dancing, bad dancing, talking grandmas, distracting boyfriends, dreadful dresses, lovely costumes, supportive judges, unfair scoring, public voting, studio criticisms, newsreaders, sportspeople, tears and laughter, we've certainly had it all. When all is said and done these televised competitions are never fair. They are primarily about entertainment.

So true. It's easy to forget that ultimately, this isn't really a dance a competition - it's old-fashioned Saturday night family telly - no more, no less.

[Feelingpink]

So, according to Len Goodman on ITT, an ocho is not an ocho .... it's an "outside swivel?"

[Chicklet]

Mark's 'affair' scandal may influence voters, was that on the Thursday night when we have to watch the Gaelic??
what's the "story"?

[Lory]

So, according to Len Goodman on ITT, an ocho is not an ocho .... it's an "outside swivel?"

Interestingly, did anyone else notice, that during Flavia and Vincent's Tango, some of the ocho's were 'forward' ocho's but done travelling 'backwards'.

[David Bailey]

So, according to Len Goodman on ITT, an ocho is not an ocho .... it's an "outside swivel?"
Yeah, that's what I thought. Bl00dy ballroom dancers, think they know it all.


Interestingly, did anyone else notice, that during Flavia and Vincent's Tango, some of the ocho's were 'forward' ocho's but done travelling 'backwards'.
Yep, saw that - the guy behind Flavia was doing them as they walked backwards. Very impressive, but not as good as seeing back ochos going forwards :eek:

[Feelingpink]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Bl00dy ballroom dancers, think they know it all....Just as long as he doesn't upset the lovely Claudia, eh DJ? :wink: (Hope you saw her on "Have I Got News For You" - she was rather good).

[David Bailey]

Just as long as he doesn't upset the lovely Claudia, eh DJ? :wink: (Hope you saw her on "Have I Got News For You" - she was rather good).
Actually, I'm getting annoyed with her "clumsy cow" impersonations with these masterclasses - I mean, good grief, she's been involved with a dance programme for 2 years now, she's had dozens of masterclasses from Len, can she really be that clumsy? :rolleyes:

[Lindsay]

was that on the Thursday night when we have to watch the Gaelic??
what's the "story"?

'Strictly' star Mark cheats on his wife By Daniel Kilkelly

Strictly Come Dancing star Mark Ramprakash has been cheating on his wife, according to reports today. The former England cricketer has been having an affair with single mother Sadia Saleem for six years - but Mark's wife Vandana has only recently discovered the truth.

"When it started I didn't know Mark was married with children or I would have never got involved," Sadia told a friend. "But by the time he had told me I had fallen in love with him. We tried to stop things but there was so much chemistry between us."

Ramprakash family lawyer Naynesh Desai told the News of the World: "Mrs Ramprakash has known about the brief affair Mark had with Miss Saleem. Her primary concern at the moment is the wellbeing of her young children. Mark bitterly regrets the hurt that he has caused his wife and family and apologises sincerely."

Ref - digitalspy.co.uk

[Juju]

Actually, I'm getting annoyed with her "clumsy cow" impersonations with these masterclasses - I mean, good grief, she's been involved with a dance programme for 2 years now, she's had dozens of masterclasses from Len, can she really be that clumsy? :rolleyes:

You really expect her to be good?

In those shoes? I don't think so.... :na:

[spindr]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Bl00dy ballroom dancers, think they know it all.
Bl00dy tango dancers -- everyone knows it's a lock step *not* a cross :)
SpinDr

[David Bailey]

Bl00dy tango dancers -- everyone knows it's a lock step *not* a cross :)
That's "cruzada", actually :na:

[Lynn]

Looked similar to ochos to me too.
Yep, saw that - the guy behind Flavia was doing them as they walked backwards. Very impressive, but not as good as seeing back ochos going forwards :eek:I noticed that too. All these travelling ochos are making me miss tango classes. :( (Our teachers made us do what felt like ages of travelling ochos up and down the room most weeks.)

[David Bailey]

Looking at the two AT practices from Darren and Emma, and Matt and Lilia, both Matt and Lilia look abysmal - frankly, Lilia doesn't look that good, even - but Darren and Emma looked superb, very :yum: indeed. Although D&E did indeed look pretty useless in the salsa...

Did this difference in AT reflect the difficulties of leading AT? Or did it reflect the differences in ability? Or was I imagining the differences?

[Lynn]

Did this difference in AT reflect the difficulties of leading AT? Or did it reflect the differences in ability? Or was I imagining the differences?I noticed earlier in the week them talking about leading (in relation to the AT) a lot more than any other dance.

Its harder for the professionals this week as its not a dance they are familiar with so they can't help the celebs quite as much as usual. It would have been interesting if Vincent and Louisa were still in this week and what their AT would have looked like.

When they showed Colin and Erin's American Smooth the other night I realised that I really enjoyed watching Colin dance - almost any of his dances (except that dummy dance). Would like to have seen him try AT.