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ducasi
25th-April-2006, 11:04 PM
Based on a discussion with jezzyjj (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/member.php?u=2016) in the DJ booth (starting from this post (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?p=225086#post225086)) I'd like to pose this question...

Do you agree with the statement "MJ DJs should be more progressive, using newer music and sometimes mixing or mashing a couple of tracks together to create a longer, fuller dancing experience"?

To me, it sounds like it could be more attractive to younger dancers... Jezzyjj also proposed that freestyles should stop trying to be all things to all people, so presumably this style could be used at freestyles aimed at people who like more pop music, and less hits of the 40's...

What do you think?

EDIT: Oops! The poll doesn't like my question and has cut it off... Can a moderator fix it? :flower:

CJ
25th-April-2006, 11:19 PM
Can a moderator fix it? :flower:

Imagine Neil Morrisey's voice...

Mooooderator: Can we fix it?
Mooooderator: yes we can!!
Mooooderator: Can we fix it?
Mooooderator: yes we can!!

Sorry, Dunc:blush: :flower:

ducasi
25th-April-2006, 11:21 PM
Imagine Neil Morrisey's voice...

Mooooderator: Can we fix it?
Mooooderator: yes we can!!
Mooooderator: Can we fix it?
Mooooderator: yes we can!! Now that's what I call a progressive choice of song to dance to! :respect:

We'll expect that tomorrow then?

Tiggerbabe
25th-April-2006, 11:35 PM
EDIT: Oops! The poll doesn't like my question and has cut it off... Can a moderator fix it? :flower:
This one can't, sorry Duncan, must be a limit on the amount of text :blush:

CJ
25th-April-2006, 11:48 PM
Mooooderator: Can we fix it?
Mooooderator: No we cant!!
Mooooderator: Can we fix it?
Mooooderator: No we cant!!
:rolleyes:

bobgadjet
26th-April-2006, 12:39 AM
Now that's what I call a progressive choice of song to dance to! :respect:

We'll expect that tomorrow then?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Did just that at a lesson at Harrow when we started back after the Xmas break.
Turned up at what was supposed to be a great new hall...... to find the builders still there, with their stuff all over the dance floor.
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The bar had been built onto the old dance floor but they were still working on it.
The lesson started at 7.45, and they were working till 9pm.
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Bang Bang Bang thru the lesson, so I couldn't resist Bob the bl**dy builder as a track in the lesson:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Good old Jo went along with it.... and it worked OK.

Not brave enough to try it out on freestyle......YET ! ! !

TheTramp
26th-April-2006, 02:20 AM
Do you agree with the statement "MJ DJs should be more progressive, using newer music and sometimes mixing or mashing a couple of tracks together to create a longer, fuller dancing experience"?

So, which MJ DJs exactly do you know who aren't progressive, and don't use newer music then? The ones I know up here certainly spend time and money getting hold of new tracks as they are released. Of course, that isn't to the exclusion of the older tracks that some people still want to dance to.

As for mashing together tracks to create a 'longer dancing experience', I think that plenty has been written on that before, with the vast majority of people who've written on the subject agreeing that isn't wanted in MJ.

Most of what I've read by jezzyjj has, imho, been a load of twaddle* so far. As regards playing music specifically aimed at a sub-group of people for a certain night, I definitely don't agree with that. As DavidB said on that thread, all that will happen is that all the people who don't like that type of music won't go, and you'll end up with smaller numbers. A variety of music is, again imho, the best (though, I have nothing against specified rooms where there are 2 or more available). Lets face it, very few people dance every track of any given night anyhow. Tracks you don't like are just an opportunity to rest, change your t-shirt, get a drink, socialise anyhow.

And yes Duncan, we know you're not fond of swing music.




*or insert your own word of choice here

Martin
26th-April-2006, 05:13 AM
Maybe some DJ's could be more progresive - When I first started dancing, at my local venue, it seemed the same music was played every night for the first 2 years I was there (along with the same old moves).

Having said that, the *good* DJ's I personally know in the UK, NZ and Aus, work very hard to introduce new music and progessive stuff.

As to mixing extended tracks - PLEASE NO :mad: :blush:

maybe there are catogories of beginner, intermediate and advanced DJ?

I sometimes DJ, and spend a lot of time over music mix.
To do the music for last years Aussie comp, took so many hours to get right, I do not think that any cash they could afford would have matched the effort.

Don't tar all DJ's with the same brush.

Some of them are truely excellent and put a lot of effort in.
Those DJ's I respect, put heaps of hours in finding new music and working out the dance mix.

Lounge Lizard
26th-April-2006, 06:59 AM
So, which MJ DJs exactly do you know who aren't progressive, and don't use newer music then? The ones I know up here certainly spend time and money getting hold of new tracks as they are released. Of course, that isn't to the exclusion of the older tracks that some people still want to dance to.

As for mashing together tracks to create a 'longer dancing experience', I think that plenty has been written on that before, with the vast majority of people who've written on the subject agreeing that isn't wanted in MJ.

Most of what I've read by jezzyjj has, imho, been a load of twaddle* so far. As regards playing music specifically aimed at a sub-group of people for a certain night, I definitely don't agree with that. As DavidB said on that thread, all that will happen is that all the people who don't like that type of music won't go, and you'll end up with smaller numbers. A variety of music is, again imho, the best (though, I have nothing against specified rooms where there are 2 or more available). Lets face it, very few people dance every track of any given night anyhow. Tracks you don't like are just an opportunity to rest, change your t-shirt, get a drink, socialise anyhow.

*or insert your own word of choice here:yeah:

RogerR
26th-April-2006, 07:26 AM
Keeping up to date with music is great, but so are some of the established tracks, and also the retro finds. The DJ and Promoter have to set ths balance to set the style for a particular evening or venue.

Mixing tracks and the extended dance mixes are poor on the dance-floor.

In areas of many freestyles -esp London - there is the opportunity for the music to specialise in restricted interests all blues, all hip-hop etc and the dancers will vote with their feet going where they do for the music.

In areas of fewer freestyles the music must suit all guests as their only vote with feet option is to NOT go.

ducasi
26th-April-2006, 09:01 AM
So, which MJ DJs exactly do you know who aren't progressive, and don't use newer music then? ...

Most of what I've read by jezzyjj has, imho, been a load of twaddle so far. ...

And yes Duncan, we know you're not fond of swing music. Please don't assume that because I asked the question that I agree with the statement.

Jezzyjj's ideas sound like taking night-club DJing and applying some of its principles to MJ dances. This is an intriguing idea... I don't know what JJ's in Aberdeen is like, or in Dundee was like, but in Glasgow you'll often see some of the younger folks stay on to continue dancing as the venue reverts to a night club. This idea would probably work for them.

However, I don't think the idea would work in a typical Ceroc night.

As for specialising music selection in different events... While Ceroc doesn't do this so much, Dance Demon's Route 66 and Red Hot & Blue both play clearly different types of music aimed at particular audiences.

I agree that much of what jezzyjj has said so-far has not been worth paying attention to. He comes over rather negatively about all things Ceroc and MJ... I can't help wondering why he has come to this forum...

And it's not that I'm not fond of swing music... I'm just not fond of *too much* swing music. There's some swing tracks I really like... :)

clevedonboy
26th-April-2006, 09:12 AM
*too much* swing music.

Oxymoron alert - there is no such thing as too much swing music ;)

For what it's worth I went for some will like it but not me.

mixing done inappropriately is painful & that's what you'd probably end up with. New music is essential but not at the expense of spoiling people's enjoyment - that's what it is about.

Any dance (of any genre) with a DJ (as opposed to a live set) should have light and shade - be that in tempo, style or even familiarity - I think DJs know that and try to deliver that

bobgadjet
26th-April-2006, 09:58 AM
I sometimes DJ, and spend a lot of time over music mix.
To do the music for last years Aussie comp, took so many hours to get right, I do not think that any cash they could afford would have matched the effort.


That's where you have hit the preverbial nail firmly on the Ceroc head.

I think one would not appreciate the time it takes to sufficiently survey the new and old music scene to ensure that, night after night after night, the dedicated DJ would TRY to ensure they present a varied and entertaining assortment, YES ASSORTMENT, of music to try to please as many of the dancers as possible, while still keeping a fresh approach to what can sometimes be a thankless task.

The costs invloved with keeping up with ,
a: modern trends,
b:dancers requirements,
c:promoters requirements
would never be covered by the payment given for a single nights work.

Few dancers realise that underlying costs behind the DJ's work are much higher than expected, and they do it mainly as a task of love for either playing music, or entertaining.

On many an occasion I have spent over 40 hours a week sorting music so it is easier to change a mood of an evening to try to please the ever changing requirements of an ever changing group of dancers.

Tickets are not sold for the majority of nights and the musical influence required from one night to the next can change like the wind.

One night a venue can have a required influence of Swing for MJ, another night a higher level of Latin maybe, and another, for maybe a younger audience, a higher level of pop.

It's up to the DJ to be able to read the dancers requirements and change the music style to ensure the music pleases the majority.

Being PROGRESSIVE (getting back on thread) is not JUST about playing tunes that are fresh to "the circuit", but also knowing what will "work" on a particular dancefloor, being able to feel that need, working with it and providing, in the main what the dancers want..... before they know that they want it.

Having said all that, I have been told on a number of occasions to "get back to playing 'Ceroc' music" and not to "experiment". :sad:

We try, but will we ever succeed ? :blush:

p.s.
Trampy......... I would insert *CR@P" in place of Twaddle :wink:

stewart38
26th-April-2006, 10:10 AM
Do you agree with the statement "MJ DJs should be more progressive, using newer music and sometimes mixing or mashing a couple of tracks together to create a longer, fuller dancing experience"?




Mashing a couple of tracks together has happened sometimes and its a crap idea :mad:

TheTramp
26th-April-2006, 10:15 AM
p.s.
Trampy......... I would insert *CR@P" in place of Twaddle :wink:

Well, I did leave an option to put in your own choice of words. Mine were way too rude for this forum, even disguised with characters that look similar, but are a little different from the real letters! :rolleyes:

Personally, I've come to the opinion that jezzyjj is just a WUM. And, as such, don't bother reading his posts, or replies to him either.

And, to Duncan, fair enough. I really shouldn't write posts when I'm asleep. :flower:

Dance Demon
26th-April-2006, 10:35 AM
So, which MJ DJs exactly do you know who aren't progressive, and don't use newer music then? The ones I know up here certainly spend time and money getting hold of new tracks as they are released. Of course, that isn't to the exclusion of the older tracks that some people still want to dance to.

As for mashing together tracks to create a 'longer dancing experience', I think that plenty has been written on that before, with the vast majority of people who've written on the subject agreeing that isn't wanted in MJ.

Most of what I've read by jezzyjj has, imho, been a load of twaddle* so far. As regards playing music specifically aimed at a sub-group of people for a certain night, I definitely don't agree with that. As DavidB said on that thread, all that will happen is that all the people who don't like that type of music won't go, and you'll end up with smaller numbers. A variety of music is, again imho, the best (though, I have nothing against specified rooms where there are 2 or more available). Lets face it, very few people dance every track of any given night anyhow. Tracks you don't like are just an opportunity to rest, change your t-shirt, get a drink, socialise anyhow.

And yes Duncan, we know you're not fond of swing music.




*or insert your own word of choice here

:yeah: pretty much says it all really.


I agree that much of what jezzyjj has said so-far has not been worth paying attention to. He comes over rather negatively about all things Ceroc and MJ... I can't help wondering why he has come to this forum...

:yeah: pretty much says it all really.

Swinging bee
26th-April-2006, 11:22 AM
So, which MJ DJs exactly do you know who aren't progressive, and don't use newer music then? The ones I know up here certainly spend time and money getting hold of new tracks as they are released. Of course, that isn't to the exclusion of the older tracks that some people still want to dance to.

As for mashing together tracks to create a 'longer dancing experience', I think that plenty has been written on that before, with the vast majority of people who've written on the subject agreeing that isn't wanted in MJ.

Most of what I've read by jezzyjj has, imho, been a load of twaddle* so far. As regards playing music specifically aimed at a sub-group of people for a certain night, I definitely don't agree with that. As DavidB said on that thread, all that will happen is that all the people who don't like that type of music won't go, and you'll end up with smaller numbers. A variety of music is, again imho, the best (though, I have nothing against specified rooms where there are 2 or more available). Lets face it, very few people dance every track of any given night anyhow. Tracks you don't like are just an opportunity to rest, change your t-shirt, get a drink, socialise anyhow.

And yes Duncan, we know you're not fond of swing music.




*or insert your own word of choice here


I am in total agreement:yeah:

TheTramp
26th-April-2006, 11:25 AM
And yes Duncan, we know you're not fond of swing music.

:yeah:

:yeah: pretty much says it all really.

I am in total agreement:yeah:
See Duncan. Everyone else agrees that you don't like swing music!! :innocent:

Gus
26th-April-2006, 12:13 PM
Just to post a slightly different view on teh 'Swing Music' thing. I've noticed a distinct lack of warmth towards Swing music of late. During my Stockport set last week I played some 'safe' swing tracks .. Indigo Swing, Casey McGill, Sugar Ray etc. I was somewhat dismayed afterwards to get complaints about too much swing (I think I played 5 tracks in a 2.5 hour set :tears: ).

Having had time to think about it, I think the problem is that people don't like swing because they don't hear enough of it. To explain, I remember first encountering swing and not being that impressed. It was only after constantly hearing it in small doses and appreciating the 'layers' of some of the better tracks (and how much freedom it gave to interpret ... or just mess around), that I got to like it. If dancers don't get the opportunity to get to apprecaite swing, then there is a large section of MJers who will develop as dancers with no swing apprecaition. Fair point?

ducasi
26th-April-2006, 12:19 PM
Having had time to think about it, I think the problem is that people don't like swing because they don't hear enough of it. ... If dancers don't get the opportunity to get to apprecaite swing, then there is a large section of MJers who will develop as dancers with no swing apprecaition. Fair point?
Perhaps the same would work for Industrial Metal, and we'd get to dance to Rammstein more often...

Again, CJ is leading the way... :respect:

ducasi
26th-April-2006, 12:20 PM
See Duncan. Everyone else agrees that you don't like swing music!! :innocent:
Maybe we need a vote... :)

Dance Demon
26th-April-2006, 12:44 PM
Perhaps the same would work for Industrial Metal, and we'd get to dance to Rammstein more often...

Again, CJ is leading the way... :respect:

Interesting. with the continued use of separate rooms for latin & Blues, I wonder if we are eventually going to get events with sepatate rooms for club music, swing, industrial metal, country & western, rock & roll, R & B ..........:eek:

DavidB
26th-April-2006, 01:07 PM
Interesting. with the continued use of separate rooms for latin & Blues, I wonder if we are eventually going to get events with sepatate rooms for club music, swing, industrial metal, country & western, rock & roll, R & B ..........:eek:What you need is a bluetooth MP3 player. Put your favourite tracks on it, and a list of the types of music you like.

Then when you ask someone to dance your players communicate with each other, and mutually select a track you both like.

You could even call it pod-dancing

under par
26th-April-2006, 01:18 PM
Maybe we need a vote... :)

No not another POLL!!!:devil: :devil: :devil:


We are going POLL mad:eek:

Feelingpink
26th-April-2006, 01:36 PM
What you need is a bluetooth MP3 player. Put your favourite tracks on it, and a list of the types of music you like.

Then when you ask someone to dance your players communicate with each other, and mutually select a track you both like.

You could even call it pod-dancingWhat? You have to ASK someone to dance? :what: Couldn't we just have software to 'log in' availability of other dancers we like (similar to using Adium or one of the other messenger services) then link us up for the pod-dance?

TheTramp
26th-April-2006, 01:39 PM
Perhaps the same would work for Industrial Metal, and we'd get to dance to Rammstein more often...

Again, CJ is leading the way... :respect:
You know that you don't like swing (well, maybe you do like a little bit of it :na: ). I can guarentee you that I like this less, and have far less desire to dance to any of it than you will ever have in the case of swing music....

Dance Demon
26th-April-2006, 01:42 PM
What you need is a bluetooth MP3 player. Put your favourite tracks on it, and a list of the types of music you like.

Then when you ask someone to dance your players communicate with each other, and mutually select a track you both like.

You could even call it pod-dancing

That's scary.......imagine the effect that would be created by loads of different couples all dancing to different tracks, starting and finishing at different times, dancing different styles.....would be great fun just watching:rofl: :rofl:

DavidB
26th-April-2006, 01:43 PM
imagine the effect that would be created by loads of different couples all dancing to different tracks, starting and finishing at different times, dancing different styles.....Would anyone notice the difference?

Sparkles
26th-April-2006, 01:50 PM
Would anyone notice the difference?
Ouch!

Donna
26th-April-2006, 02:01 PM
Would anyone notice the difference?


:rofl: :yeah: :rofl: I'd find it amusing though. I once heard on the radio that this night club gave everybody a set of headphones and they could select their own tunes and dance away. They called it the silent club (or something stupid like that) :rofl:

I agree with what a couple have said on here that different types of music both new and old should be played to suit all ages and tastes in music. That way, everybody is sure to have had an enjoyable night. That's as perfect as it could get. You will of course always get the odd few who are going to complain about it, but maybe that's because they don't really like a whole variety of music. Maybe they just like swing and nothing else (count ducasi out then.:wink: ) but you can't play swing all night to suit one person otherwise nearly everybody in the venue will be complaining! What would you prefer? That about 4 or 5 in the space of 2-4 hours complain about the music, or 50+? That is where requests come in handy. I don't very often see people go up to a DJ booth and ask for requests anyway! :rolleyes:

I quite like the idea of having different rooms playing different styles of music. Depending on how big the venue is, you could have blues and latin in one, pop/dance in the other, swing and songs from 70's & 80's in the other. :nice:

By the way, I'd like to say, Rob who DJ'd at Chester last night (and I know he'll be reading this) played some hot tracks last night including my favourite by santa maria. :drool: :worthy: He also mixed a couple of tracks which I think is a fab idea and played everything from swing, latin and dance - both new and old tracks. Loved it - was perfect from beginning to end - and I didn't want to get off the dance floor! :respect: Loads of other comments like this from last night too.

Martin
26th-April-2006, 03:07 PM
What you need is a bluetooth MP3 player. Put your favourite tracks on it, and a list of the types of music you like.

Then when you ask someone to dance your players communicate with each other, and mutually select a track you both like.

You could even call it pod-dancing

Love this idea - a whole evening of tracks I love.
The only downside being not hearing hot new tracks the DJ has found, but of course you could have a "hot new tracks" PC station, with some suggestions, which you can download for the evening, should you like them.

Now if you can slightly un-sync the pods, for those partners who dance off-beat :clap: :D

clevedonboy
26th-April-2006, 03:49 PM
Just to post a slightly different view on teh 'Swing Music' thing. I've noticed a distinct lack of warmth towards Swing music of late. During my Stockport set last week I played some 'safe' swing tracks .. Indigo Swing, Casey McGill, Sugar Ray etc. I was somewhat dismayed afterwards to get complaints about too much swing (I think I played 5 tracks in a 2.5 hour set :tears: ).

Having had time to think about it, I think the problem is that people don't like swing because they don't hear enough of it. To explain, I remember first encountering swing and not being that impressed. It was only after constantly hearing it in small doses and appreciating the 'layers' of some of the better tracks (and how much freedom it gave to interpret ... or just mess around), that I got to like it. If dancers don't get the opportunity to get to apprecaite swing, then there is a large section of MJers who will develop as dancers with no swing apprecaition. Fair point?

We've started the backlash down yer in the west country - there are some places up in Gloucs that teach a mix of MJ / Lindy so a lot of Swing gets played. There's also a small (aww bless) beacon in Exeter in the shape of Paul Thornton who slips a lot of swing into his sets (it's told that Nelson Rose does too but I haven't been to any of his dances).

In Clevedon we're fighting in our own small way to keep the swing fire burning - I play lots of it (anyone down here on Sunday can hear for themself). It's not all doom and gloom :clap:

Dance Demon
26th-April-2006, 05:17 PM
Would anyone notice the difference?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ...brilliant:worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

Martin
26th-April-2006, 05:29 PM
Would anyone notice the difference?

Hey I have seen team routines like this....

so funny :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Your wife
26th-April-2006, 05:32 PM
:respect:

Do you know, I've been waiting for ages for someone to start questioning the music!

While there is currently a good set of tunes being played on the ceroc scene, after a few years of the same tunes every week, it all becomes a bit... commercial radio. On saturday the DJ put on one of my favourite songs, but I'd heard it so often I just couldnt be bothered, I knew I'd hear again in a few days anyway.

New tunes are great, but they seem to loose there shelf life quickly. While I dont want to eject the oldies from the dancefloor, they have to admit that some of us youngens might find swing a bit boring too.

But there is a whole back catalogue of Retro music that DJs could be delving into. I listen to the radio and hear loads of old tunes from all decades that would make great dancing tunes.

Anyone fancy suggesting a new song to try here?

Donna
26th-April-2006, 05:38 PM
Anyone fancy suggesting a new song to try here?

Gnarls Barkley - crazy... GOD I LOVE THIS SONG!!

ducasi
26th-April-2006, 05:46 PM
Gnarls Barkley - crazy... GOD I LOVE THIS SONG!!
Now there's irony for you. :D

This was one of the songs that jezzyjj was complaining he had become bored of back in December, when most of us hadn't heard it yet...

Martin
26th-April-2006, 05:52 PM
Now there's irony for you. :D

This was one of the songs that jezzyjj was complaining he had become bored of back in December, when most of us hadn't heard it yet...

I guess jezzyjj is far to advanced in his music for us normal folks :flower:

Donna
26th-April-2006, 06:26 PM
I guess jezzyjj is far to advanced in his music for us normal folks :flower:


:yeah: :rofl:

Piglet
26th-April-2006, 07:50 PM
I don't know what JJ's in Aberdeen is like, or in Dundee was like, but in Glasgow you'll often see some of the younger folks stay on to continue dancing as the venue reverts to a night club. This idea would probably work for them.
Yep JJ's DJs in Aberdeen mix song after song after song. It's very wearing from my point of view. Especially if you don't want to dance for too long with the partner you've got (which doesn't happen often - thankfully).

The majority of dancers here (a mix of ages too) head on downstairs to Chicago Rock where mixing doesn't seem to happen and the DJ is cool and gives us lot a mention whenever we're there.

spindr
26th-April-2006, 08:06 PM
Just a thought --- how old(*) are all the DJ's sets these days? My guess is that it'll be somewhere near 1970 -- but then maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the progressive ones will be "younger" than my guestimate?

Cheers,
SpinDr

(*) Just average the dates that the tracks were originally written.

Gadget
26th-April-2006, 10:16 PM
I don't know what JJ's in Aberdeen is like, or in Dundee was like, but in Glasgow you'll often see some of the younger folks stay on to continue dancing as the venue reverts to a night club. This idea would probably work for them.As piglet said, once Curtain closes and the resident DJ takes to the decks, the floor thins to nothing - partly because of the DJ, partly because there is normally a band or something to dance to downstairs that is much better.

Piglet
27th-April-2006, 12:46 PM
normally a band or something to dance to downstairs that is much better.
Billy Idol :drool::D

Gus
27th-April-2006, 02:34 PM
Maybe DJs should really learn to push the boundries. Link (http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=23620&type=coolad&startrow=41)

DavidB
27th-April-2006, 03:22 PM
Maybe DJs should really learn to push the boundries. Link (http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=23620&type=coolad&startrow=41)
That is NOT safe for work. Cheers Gus...

Donna
27th-April-2006, 04:11 PM
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That is NOT safe for work. Cheers Gus...

No it's not.. but :rofl: *hides behind the computer again whilst holding in the laughter save having to share this with anybody in the office*
:rofl:

Gus is in a very naughty mood today, between talking about tingle and DJ's playing music with their private parts... tut tut tut. :rolleyes:

Gus
27th-April-2006, 04:22 PM
That is NOT safe for work. Cheers Gus...Look ... when I said it was how to use a keyboard ... I DIDN'T MEAN A PC KEYBOARD!! Whats the problem ... at least he didn't move his feet :rolleyes:

Sorry if it causes trouble for you at work.:blush: As I'm not at work I don't have to worry about being a nuaghty boy and breaking Company rules.. :devil:

Donna
27th-April-2006, 05:37 PM
Look ... when I said it was how to use a keyboard ... I DIDN'T MEAN A PC KEYBOARD!! Whats the problem ... at least he didn't move his feet :rolleyes:

Sorry if it causes trouble for you at work.:blush: As I'm not at work I don't have to worry about being a nuaghty boy and breaking Company rules.. :devil:


Hope I don't get caught out for opening it up. Think it was worth watching though! :drool: :rofl: