Spare Ticket - London eye and river dance

[Danielle]

Hi all,

Sadly I have a funeral to attend on Friday and can't come to the London eye river dance :sad: so I have a spare ladies ticket. If you would like it please let me know so I can arrange payment etc!!

Thanks
Danielle :hug:

[Eleanor]

PLEASE NOTE, AS THIS EVENT IS FOR CHARITY IF ANY TICKETS ARE BEING RE-SOLD, I WOULD ASK THAT NO-ONE PROFITS FROM THIS BY SELLING TICKETS FOR MORE THAN THE FACE VALUE OF £25.00 PER TICKET. PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT ENTRANCE IS VIA GUEST LIST AND THEREFORE IF YOU SELL YOUR TICKET TO SOMEONE ELSE, YOU MUST NOTIFY ME OF THE NEW NAME OF THE PERSON ATTENDING! THANKS! I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN ATTENDING SO CAN FACILITATE THIS PROCESS
Hello everyone

One single male ticket availableI have one male ticket available for sale for the Eye/boat, as there was a duplication of names on the guest list. If you or anyone you know would like to buy this, please contact me at this email address. This will be sold on a first come first serve basis - please email dance@ba-londoneye.com.

Couple ticket available
Laura Oates (Fulham dancer) has a pair of tickets for a couple available for the Eye/boat event that she is trying to sell. If you would like to buy them, please email her at laura.oates@btinternet.com. You will need to organise to pay Laura directly and once she has received payment, she will advise me who has bought the tickets so that the guest list can be updated.

London Eye - dance in pods for the first time!
There are still tickets available to dance on the London Eye (without the boat) priced at £20.00 per couple. To book, email dance@ba-londoneye.com or phone 0870 443 7985

Best wishes
Eleanor (the Event organiser)

[Asif]

Hi Eleanor

I am after the male ticket. I've emailed you seperately too but i thought i would just put my request on here too in-case you haven't see that.

Thanks
Asif

[Danielle]

PLEASE NOTE, AS THIS EVENT IS FOR CHARITY IF ANY TICKETS ARE BEING RE-SOLD, I WOULD ASK THAT NO-ONE PROFITS FROM THIS BY SELLING TICKETS FOR MORE THAN THE FACE VALUE OF £25.00 PER TICKET. PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT ENTRANCE IS VIA GUEST LIST AND THEREFORE IF YOU SELL YOUR TICKET TO SOMEONE ELSE, YOU MUST NOTIFY ME OF THE NEW NAME OF THE PERSON ATTENDING! THANKS! I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN ATTENDING SO CAN FACILITATE THIS PROCESS

Best wishes
Eleanor (the Event organiser)

I wouldn't even consider ripping off a charity, my grandmother died and I don't think I going to be in the mood for dancing the night away after her funeral - I simply didn't want to loose the £25 if I can avoid it.

[Eleanor]

Hi Eleanor

I am after the male ticket. I've emailed you seperately too but i thought i would just put my request on here too in-case you haven't see that.

Thanks
Asif
Hi Asif

I've emailed you a reply, but just for everyone else's information, the male ticket has already been SOLD.

I will let everyone know if any other tickets become available.

Eleanor

[Asif]

I wouldn't even consider ripping off a charity, my grandmother died and I don't think I going to be in the mood for dancing the night away after her funeral - I simply didn't want to loose the £25 if I can avoid it.
Hi Danielle

I'm sorry to hear about your news. I have a friend who MAY want to come and i've left a message on her voicemail. I'll call you when i hear somthing back.

Hope you are okay
Asif :hug:

[TheTramp]

PLEASE NOTE, AS THIS EVENT IS FOR CHARITY IF ANY TICKETS ARE BEING RE-SOLD, I WOULD ASK THAT NO-ONE PROFITS FROM THIS BY SELLING TICKETS FOR MORE THAN THE FACE VALUE OF £25.00 PER TICKET. PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT ENTRANCE IS VIA GUEST LIST AND THEREFORE IF YOU SELL YOUR TICKET TO SOMEONE ELSE, YOU MUST NOTIFY ME OF THE NEW NAME OF THE PERSON ATTENDING! THANKS! I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN ATTENDING SO CAN FACILITATE THIS PROCESS

Oooh. I want to be a Ceroc Ticket Tout.....

Though, I don't see much income to be gained there!

On the other hand. I have a couple of ladies tickets for Southport going*. Offers starting around £250 please. PM me....







* I don't really.... :rolleyes:

[Asif]

Hi Asif

I've emailed you a reply, but just for everyone else's information, the male ticket has already been SOLD.

I will let everyone know if any other tickets become available.

Eleanor
Damn - just not quick enough. Thanks anyway - i 've emailed Laura for her tickets. Just need to find a woman now as i imagine she wouldn't really want to sell them seperately.

Asif

[SilverFox]

Just need to find a woman now as i imagine she wouldn't really want to sell them seperately.If you need a hand, just let me know mate.......:whistle:

:blush:

[stewart38]

Hi Danielle

I'm sorry to hear about your news. I have a friend who MAY want to come and i've left a message on her voicemail. I'll call you when i hear somthing back.

Hope you are okay
Asif :hug:


I have someone who WANTS to come (female) not MAY :whistle:

update please

[stewart38]

Hi all,

Sadly I have a funeral to attend on Friday and can't come to the London eye river dance :sad: so I have a spare ladies ticket. If you would like it please let me know so I can arrange payment etc!!

Thanks
Danielle :hug:


Want to PM you confirmed order but your PM box is full up :sad: Thats whats it saying :sad:

[Eleanor]

I wouldn't even consider ripping off a charity, my grandmother died and I don't think I going to be in the mood for dancing the night away after her funeral - I simply didn't want to loose the £25 if I can avoid it.
Sorry about your grandmother. My comment about ticket touting was aimed at anyone reading this and not you. I hope you sell your ticket, but email me at dance@ba-londoneye.com if you need help as I have a list of interested people.

[Eleanor]

Hello everyone

There is someone else trying to sell a pair of tickets for a couple. If you are interested please email sammackay@yahoo.com and organise paying her £50.00 directly.

All the best
Eleanor

[dee]

Just need to find a woman now

:grin:

[Danielle]

Cool, ladies ticket has now gone! :clap: :clap:

Have a lovely time everyone who is going :flower:

(thanks for everyones kind PM's :hug: )

[El Salsero Gringo]

Just out of interest, why does the fact that the £25 goes to charity mean that no-one should sell a ticket for more?

[Ghost]

Just out of interest, why does the fact that the £25 goes to charity mean that no-one should sell a ticket for more?
At a guess - because it's a good cause Ceroc isn't being charged full price to hire the London Eye. By re-selling a ticket at a higher value, that person would effectively be taking the profit that the London Eye had blown off because it's a charity event. It would then discourage to a degree the Lodnon Eye or similar doing this in future. ie if the tickets are being re-sold at say £50, then that's the future asking price.

Take care,
Christopher

[LMC]

Because it would be naughty and morally wrong to make a personal profit from selling your ticket, and divine retribution may or may not be forthcoming. The fact that it makes no financial difference to the bottom line of the charity is, of course, neither here nor there.

Did I say normal service had been resumed?

Sorry Eleanor, but if people want to tout their tickets, there's not an awful lot you can do about it except appeal to their consciences. Which will not make a lot of difference to people who want to make a profit, frankly. For the record, I work for a charity. Unfortunately, there are some things we have to realise that we have no control over :shrug:

EDIT: And what Christopher said - but again, there's not much can be done about it.

[TheTramp]

At a guess

It's a good theory. But I think that it'd only apply if the London Eye actually found out that it was happening.... Assuming that they didn't actually plan on it happening in the first instance. I think that most charity events which would attrach crowds, would also attract the touts too. Organisers aren't stupid. (Well, except the ones that had anything to do with Wembley!).

I'd also maybe debate whether it was morally wrong to do it (not that I would actually do it though). Buying something, and then selling it for a higher price is pretty much the cornerstone of any business. Is it wrong because it's a charity? Is touting wrong in a general sense? As LMC says, the charity will still make what they are expecting. It won't affect them in any way...

However, I don't really think that it's likely to happen in this instance though. Do you?

[stewart38]

Just out of interest, why does the fact that the £25 goes to charity mean that no-one should sell a ticket for more?


whats the argument there ? Charity begins at home ?

[El Salsero Gringo]

if the tickets are being re-sold at say £50, then that's the future asking price. If the tickets *were* being re-sold at £50, then I'd say the charity had stuffed up by not asking as much for them as it should.

(of course, they aren't, and they haven't.)

[Ghost]

Because it would be naughty and morally wrong to make a personal profit from selling your ticket, and divine retribution may or may not be forthcoming. The fact that it makes no financial difference to the bottom line of the charity is, of course, neither here nor there.
:yeah:

*thinks*
I suppose if someone re-sold a ticket for £50 and then gave the extra £25 direct to the charity that would be ok - but they'd need good transparency as it's open to abuse, even the perception that funny business was going on would be potentially harmful. I like the idea of everyone going through Eleanor to kep things honest.

Take care,
Christopher

[LMC]

I'd also maybe debate whether it was morally wrong to do it (not that I would actually do it though). Buying something, and then selling it for a higher price is pretty much the cornerstone of any business. Is it wrong because it's a charity? Is touting wrong in a general sense? As LMC says, the charity will still make what they are expecting. It won't affect them in any way...
:yeah:

Given that all the tickets for the boat were sold out within a week, I'd just learn the lesson for next time that even if it took longer, I'd probably still sell all the tickets at 40 quid a throw, thus making even more money for the charity :innocent: - even if there were a small number of tickets left over. Which small number would effectively destroy any profiteering on tickets because people could still obtain them from the organisers at face value.

EDIT: Damn you ESG :D

[El Salsero Gringo]

I like the idea of everyone going through Eleanor to kep things honest.How is it *dishonest* to sell a ticket for £35 and keep £10? Or give £5 to the charity and keep £5?

And how is it any more dishonest than ringing 09xxx numbers to make a charity donation where BT keeps a healthy whack of the money? Or buy rubber wrist-bands where the shopkeeper and the wrist-band maker do likewise?

[LMC]

It's not dishonest - certainly not in the legal sense (although football clubs are doing their best to make it illegal). At best, it's morally questionable - but that's up to the individuals concerned.

[stewart38]

How is it *dishonest* to sell a ticket for £35 and keep £10? Or give £5 to the charity and keep £5?

And how is it any more dishonest than ringing 09xxx numbers to make a charity donation where BT keeps a healthy whack of the money? Or buy rubber wrist-bands where the shopkeeper and the wrist-band maker do likewise?


Morally questionable

na i prefer dishonest

whats the tickets have to do witha BT phone line is anyones clue :whistle:

[Ghost]

Buying something, and then selling it for a higher price is pretty much the cornerstone of any business. Is it wrong because it's a charity? Is touting wrong in a general sense? As LMC says, the charity will still make what they are expecting. It won't affect them in any way...
My variant of the 90/10 rule.
Society can put up with a certain amount of people breaking rules and abusing the system. Once it gets beyond a certain point though things start to break down. I get real edgy about the whole, "well it doesn't really matter that I'm doing this in the scheme of things" concept. In the scheme of things, everything matters. I would argue that we need charities. How it treats those in need says a lot about a society. To my mind, charties are off-limits. If someone has any doubt in their mind that what they're doing is dubious, then it shouldn't be done to a charity. Ceroc, the London Eye, and The Charity have priced the tickets to meet their persepctive of supply and demand and to hopefully get the best for everyone. This shouldn't be messed with. Plus the actual organising of this will in part have been done through people giving up free time, making donations etc - it's not right to profit from that.


However, I don't really think that it's likely to happen in this instance though. Do you?
Thankfully, no. :cheers:
Christopher

[TheTramp]

If someone has any doubt in their mind that what they're doing is dubious, then it shouldn't be done to a charity.

But what exactly are they doing to the charity?? The charity still gets exactly what they are expecting.....

[El Salsero Gringo]

It's not dishonest - certainly not in the legal sense (although football clubs are doing their best to make it illegal). At best, it's morally questionable - but that's up to the individuals concerned.I don't even think it's morally questionable. People who buy tickets early in the hope of making a profit on them do a valuable service by ensuring that the organiser gets early cash. The tout takes the risk that he is going to be left with a valueless item if the organiser doesn't sell all their tickets at face value (for which risk he/she is entitled to a reward) and having a few tickets on sale at ridiculous prices (like for the FA cup final) even on the day of the match means that there is some availability right up to the last minute, albeit at a high price.

It's just what the airlines do when they sell early tickets cheap and then raise prices towards the day of travel. (Or even Ceroc events that charge more on the door than for tickets in advance.)

[Ghost]

How is it *dishonest* to sell a ticket for £35 and keep £10? Or give £5 to the charity and keep £5?
Simple question No1 - would you be happy telling the charity that this is what you were doing?
Simple question No 2 - would Christ, Buddha, etc do this?


And how is it any more dishonest than ringing 09xxx numbers to make a charity donation where BT keeps a healthy whack of the money? Or buy rubber wrist-bands where the shopkeeper and the wrist-band maker do likewise?
I'm not exactly thrilled about this either surprisingly.....

Take care,
Chriistopher

[Ghost]

But what exactly are they doing to the charity?? The charity still gets exactly what they are expecting.....
Hmm, what's the expression - something like
"Urinating in the pool" I think...

Dance in beauty,
Christopher

[WittyBird]

Hmm, what's the expression - something like
"Urinating in the pool" I think...



*** what is the problem? That's life so Esther kept telling us.
People buy things at one price and sell at another, get used to it. :rolleyes:

[LMC]

To my mind, charties are off-limits. If someone has any doubt in their mind that what they're doing is dubious, then it shouldn't be done to a charity.
You have a *very* romantic view of charities. Sorry, but those of us involved with charities are no better (and no worse) than everyone else. With over 200,000 charities in the UK (nearly 170,000 registered), I can assure you that competition can be just as vicious as it is in the corporate sector, and sometimes more underhanded because the organisations concerned have taken a moral high ground.

I'm not being specific here - WhizzKidz does a fantastic job giving kids access to activities that they otherwise wouldn't dream of*. But I can assure everyone that not "every penny" of their £25 will be going to costs of the event and a specialised wheelchair. A percentage will, quite rightly, go to Whizzkidz overheads - their staff, accountants, advertising and PR people, suppliers of stationery/insurance, etc etc all have to eat too. As does their fundraiser. Some national charities spend over 30percent of their revenue in fundraising. Now *that* is, IMO, morally wrong. Many smaller charities are going to the wall because they don't have the resources to get their name out there in the same way - and some of these are doing far more effective work on a local basis than the "big boys".

Big charity is big business - just look at the numbers (http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/ccfacts105.asp) - I find the graphs particularly fascinating.

EDIT: summary of graphs: less than 1% of registered charities receive nearly half of all charity revenue.

NB - I have no connection to Whizzkidz.

[El Salsero Gringo]

Simple question No1 - would you be happy telling the charity that this is what you were doing?Yes
Simple question No 2 - would Christ, Buddha, etc do this?I think it's unlikely that JC would buy a ticket for a dance on the London Eye in the first place, but I guess you never know.

[Ghost]

You have a *very* romantic view of charities.
I have a very romanttic view of life. Now if everyone else would care to join me, the world could be a lovely place :awe:


Sorry, but those of us involved with charities are no better (and no worse) than everyone else.
My brother works in charities - I'm painfully aware of the behaviour of a lot of people in that industry.

But I stand by my position. You don't mess with charities. Yes, people do it, including those who work for them, but it's still wrong.

Sadly the more people do it, the more the line of "that's ok" gets moved, until finally everyone else loses faith in the intergrity of the charity and it all falls down. :tears:

Take care,
Christopher

[TheTramp]

I think it's unlikely that JC would buy a ticket for a dance on the London Eye in the first place, but I guess you never know.

I was surprised too. I didn't realise that he danced.

And I'm very surprised at Buddha!

[El Salsero Gringo]

Some national charities spend over 30percent of their revenue in fundraising. Now *that* is, IMO, morally wrong. Many smaller charities are going to the wall because they don't have the resources to get their name out there in the same way - and some of these are doing far more effective work on a local basis than the "big boys".Ah yes - "the operation was a success but the patient died." If spending less than 30% of revenue on fundraising results in a charity going to the wall - how could it possibly be immoral to spend that much? If the charity is doing good work, then it's positively immoral *not* to spend enough so as to ensure a supply of donations for that work to continue.

[Ghost]

I think it's unlikely that JC would buy a ticket for a dance on the London Eye in the first place, but I guess you never know.
"Never trust a religious leader who can't dance" - can't remember who said it. I suspect you've answered your own question though.

Take care,
Christopher

[El Salsero Gringo]

You don't mess with charities. Yes, people do it, including those who work for them, but it's still wrong. Yes you do. Some of the more political charities are positively evil, and the sooner they are shut down the better. Unfortunately, the charity commission has recently relaxed its rules about what constitutes charitable activity so that seems unlikely to happen.

There seems to be a romantic association so that anything that can scrape through the tax-benefits of registered charitable status immediately becomes immune from examination or criticism. After all, "it's a charity."

[LMC]

I think it's unlikely that JC would buy a ticket for a dance on the London Eye in the first place, but I guess you never know.
If he's the kind of guy indicated in most of the New Testament, I think he'd more likely be mixing with us sinners in the Eye rather than preaching to the converted in a church somewhere...

Ghost, yes, it would be lovely if everyone was honest, kind and had integrity. Unfortunately, as we know that not everyone will live up to our standards, we have to adjust our world view accordingly - which is why ESG and I accurately pointed out that if ticket touting was possible, then the organisation should have managed demand better by charging more for the tickets (thus making even more for a worthy cause) and making profiteering pointless (because tickets would be available at the face price throughout).

Even though I work for a charity, I believe I have some stolen property in my handbag. I'm ashamed, and promise I'll replace the Bic biro with a brand new one at the earliest opportunity.

[Ghost]

Yes you do. Some of the more political charities are positively evil, and the sooner they are shut down the better. Unfortunately, the charity commission has recently relaxed its rules about what constitutes charitable activity so that seems unlikely to happen.

There seems to be a romantic association so that anything that can scrape through the tax-benefits of registered charitable status immediately becomes immune from examination or criticism. After all, "it's a charity."
:yeah:
I consider this to be "messing with charities" :angry: If they want the off-limits benefits, they have to play fair

Be Well,
Christopher

[LMC]

There seems to be a romantic association so that anything that can scrape through the tax-benefits of registered charitable status immediately becomes immune from examination or criticism. After all, "it's a charity."
I wish!

A charity normally supplies a service. When you buy a service, do you ask how much goes on staff salaries, how much on administration, how much is profit, etc. etc. etc?

Charities have to account for all that to their funders. There's no conception of "this is what it costs to deliver the service" - funders will budget strip everything that they don't deem to be necessary to the effective and sustainable operation of the charity, or that isn't obviously directly related to the service that the charity is supplying. Frequently including administration costs which the charity is legally obliged to incur, and staff salaries/development/training - and fundraising. It's like you saying "I'll buy the car insurance, but because I bought it online, I'm refusing to pay the percentage of the cost which relates to your telephone bills, and I would have bought from you anyway, so I'm not paying for your advertising costs either, and it's irrelevant to me that you have to pay to recruit staff... etc"

Which also answers the question of how small charities can't spend 30p in the pound fundraising - because donors won't stand for it. Ironically, donors *do* stand for it when it comes to the larger charities - and they are less likely to be questioned, for no good reason except that they are familiar - usually because of a high profile because of fundraising.

It's the double standards I find immoral I guess - the top 100 or so are considered "beyond reproach" when in terms of cost/benefit, smaller charities can be far more effective.

(Edited to clarify/expand)

EDIT: Dammit, I've ended up arguing with ESG again. I should have learned by now :rolleyes:

[Ghost]

If he's the kind of guy indicated in most of the New Testament, I think he'd more likely be mixing with us sinners in the Eye rather than preaching to the converted in a church somewhere...
:yeah:


Ghost, yes, it would be lovely if everyone was honest, kind and had integrity. :awe:


Then the organisation should have managed demand better by charging more for the tickets
I'll agree with this too.


promise I'll replace the Bic biro with a brand new one at the earliest opportunity. :flower: See the world's a slightly better place now than when we started this :awe:

Dance in beauty,
Crhistopher

[Eleanor]

Since the topic of the morality of ticket touting has come up, let me explain why I feel strongly about this.

Everything has been donated for free for the event meaning that (other than the cost of your welcome drink and the dance floor), 100% of the money has gone to charity.

- The London Eye was donated for free and at expense to itself. It also paid for the promotional photography, has paid it's engineering team to install music in capsules (a job taking 14 nights of work!), the PR team has issued press releases and spent time calling the media. All phone calls for this event have been paid for by the London Eye. They have done this as I work for the London Eye and they were prepared to support the event.
- The Silver Sturgeon boat has been donated for free. I am friends with the owners and they have done this as a personal favour to me.
- Ceroc teachers and DJs are giving up their time for free
- Albert Hall dance floors are doing the job at cost
- BA has donated the prize to New York to free. All other prizes have been donated to charity.
- I have spent hour and hours organising this event without being paid to do so!!!!!! My goal has been to raise as much money for charity - so far £8,300 after all costs and hopefully more than £10,000 with the raffle.

I agree in retrospect that the tickets were too cheap at £25.00 judging by how quickly the event sold out. If the boat, Eye etc., had not been donated for free, the ticket price would be more in the region of £50-£75 just to break even - a lot more if we wanted to raise money for charity!

To make sure the maximum amount was raised, all the ticket sales were put through the following web site www.justgiving.com/eyedance - except for a few tickets where money was paid into a bank account to pay for the drinks!

I can only appeal to everyone's consciences, but if you have profited from this event I would urge you to either make a donation on the justgiving web site, which you can do anonymously or to buy lots of raffle tickets on the night.

Every £5,000 raised for Whizz-Kidz changes the life of another child, hence my goal of £10,000. Some of you will know that I have recently got back from climbing Mount Kilimanjaro in aid of Whizz-Kidz, when I raised another £16,000 for them. You will see a short video about their work and hear from the inspiring Chief Executive Ruth Owen during the event.

I hope that this will all inspire you to dig deep for a good cause and to buy lots of raffle tickets on the night or to give a donation at www.justgiving.com/eyedance.

Thanks!
Eleanor

[David Bailey]

Eleanor, I (and probably even the gadfly-donkey-one) think you're wonderful, and that you've done a great job of organising this. Please don't get stressed about all this debate; it's just hard to shut us up when we get started.

I for one will be buying vast amounts of raffle tickets, despite the fact that I've never ever ever won anything in my life. I'd recommend getting a lot more tickets than you've ordered :)

[Lee]

At a guess - because it's a good cause Ceroc isn't being charged full price to hire the London Eye. By re-selling a ticket at a higher value, that person would effectively be taking the profit that the London Eye had blown off because it's a charity event. It would then discourage to a degree the Lodnon Eye or similar doing this in future. ie if the tickets are being re-sold at say £50, then that's the future asking price.

Take care,
Christopher

Ceroc are not hosting this event!!!!!!:mad:

This event has been organised completley by Eleanor (who just happens to do Ceroc).

Lee

[Lee]

Eleanor, I (and probably even the gadfly-donkey-one) think you're wonderful, and that you've done a great job of organising this. Please don't get stressed about all this debate; it's just hard to shut us up when we get started.

I for one will be buying vast amounts of raffle tickets, despite the fact that I've never ever ever won anything in my life. I'd recommend getting a lot more tickets than you've ordered :)

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

And if i hear anyone has profited from selling a ticket (and does not donate it to the charity on the night) may they enjoy a nice cold dip in the river, or at the very least be named and shamed on the night.


Lee

[El Salsero Gringo]

Eleanor, I (and probably even the gadfly-donkey-one) think you're wonderful, and that you've done a great job of organising this.Oh yes, absolutely. It must be quite galling when smart-arse bar-flies like me sit here and argue the toss about nothing in particular while you do your best to put on a fabulous event for a top cause with no personal reward. I just like to argue, really. Please don't take the slightest bit of notice.

[El Salsero Gringo]

And if i hear anyone has profited from selling a ticket (and does not donate it to the charity on the night) may they enjoy a nice cold dip in the river, or at the very least be named and shamed on the night.


LeeBut if they've sold their ticket, they probably won't be there, and you won't find out.

(Sorry, I'm doing it again, aren't I?)

[David Bailey]

But if they've sold their ticket, they probably won't be there, and you won't find out.

(Sorry, I'm doing it again, aren't I?)
Yup :rofl: :rolleyes:

[Lee]

But if they've sold their ticket, they probably won't be there, and you won't find out.

(Sorry, I'm doing it again, aren't I?)

Very good point, well..........let me consider an alternative...........

[Asif]

Getting back onto the actual subject of the thread for just a moment, i not only missed out on getting the ticket for myself, i also JUST missed out on buying the ticket for a couple too!! :tears:

SO, if anyone does have a spare ticket (or two) and would like to sell it to me, please phone me and let me know.

I know it's not a good idea to give out numbers but i am not always on-line, so i don't want to miss out again. My number is 07887 514759.

Thanks again
Asif

[LMC]

Eleanor, I (and probably even the gadfly-donkey-one) think you're wonderful, and that you've done a great job of organising this. Please don't get stressed about all this debate; it's just hard to shut us up when we get started.
:yeah: with bells on. But I'm too stupid to be a smart arse, I'm just argumentative.

The following is not directed at this event, but at the principles involved, using this event as an example to explain those principles.

London Eye and Silver Sturgeon and the teachers and DJs have not just generously donated their facilities/services to Whizzkidz. Us dancers also benefit, because the tickets - valued at £50+ at commercial rates have been subsidised to £25. So buy a LOT of raffle tickets - I also intend to.

It really upsets me that so many charities do not charge commercial rates or near commercial rates - i.e. the full values of what the event would otherwise cost. Why not? - the event will be as high quality as a commercial one - probably much higher because the time has been put in for love.

If we have passion and pride in what we are doing for charity, then we should believe that others will see that value - and that they will pay accordingly.

If time=money, then you have donated a helluva lot more than any of us Eleanor, and that's wonderful - Whizzkidz is very lucky to have someone as committed as you on their team.

"Volunteers are not paid. Not because they are worthless, but because they are priceless" (Anon)

[Asif]

I think some of you may have got an email from Eleanor yesterday saying that i had managed to get the tickets from Laura (http://cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=205853&postcount=2) but i didn't. I also don't have a spare one either.

So ...... i am still looking for a ticket. Any offers???

[TiggsTours]

Since the topic of the morality of ticket touting has come up, let me explain why I feel strongly about this.

Everything has been donated for free for the event meaning that (other than the cost of your welcome drink and the dance floor), 100% of the money has gone to charity.

- The London Eye was donated for free and at expense to itself. It also paid for the promotional photography, has paid it's engineering team to install music in capsules (a job taking 14 nights of work!), the PR team has issued press releases and spent time calling the media. All phone calls for this event have been paid for by the London Eye. They have done this as I work for the London Eye and they were prepared to support the event.
- The Silver Sturgeon boat has been donated for free. I am friends with the owners and they have done this as a personal favour to me.
- Ceroc teachers and DJs are giving up their time for free
- Albert Hall dance floors are doing the job at cost
- BA has donated the prize to New York to free. All other prizes have been donated to charity.
- I have spent hour and hours organising this event without being paid to do so!!!!!! My goal has been to raise as much money for charity - so far £8,300 after all costs and hopefully more than £10,000 with the raffle.

I agree in retrospect that the tickets were too cheap at £25.00 judging by how quickly the event sold out. If the boat, Eye etc., had not been donated for free, the ticket price would be more in the region of £50-£75 just to break even - a lot more if we wanted to raise money for charity!

To make sure the maximum amount was raised, all the ticket sales were put through the following web site www.justgiving.com/eyedance - except for a few tickets where money was paid into a bank account to pay for the drinks!

I can only appeal to everyone's consciences, but if you have profited from this event I would urge you to either make a donation on the justgiving web site, which you can do anonymously or to buy lots of raffle tickets on the night.

Every £5,000 raised for Whizz-Kidz changes the life of another child, hence my goal of £10,000. Some of you will know that I have recently got back from climbing Mount Kilimanjaro in aid of Whizz-Kidz, when I raised another £16,000 for them. You will see a short video about their work and hear from the inspiring Chief Executive Ruth Owen during the event.

I hope that this will all inspire you to dig deep for a good cause and to buy lots of raffle tickets on the night or to give a donation at www.justgiving.com/eyedance.

Thanks!
Eleanor
Eleanor, I've never met you, but I just wanted to say that you are a star! I'm sure Friday will be a fabulous evening, and will raise alot of money for a very worthy cause. Its a very difficult, and thankless, task putting any event on, let alone something on this scale, there will always be people who think they could have done it better, well all I say to them is "Come on then, let's see it!"

I agree that nobody should ever profit from touting tickets for a charity event, I see it as stealing from the charity itself, and although not ilegal, is highly immoral. I personally though have not seen anyone touting tickets, only ever selling the ticket for the same price as they originally paid. Everybody has occassions where they pay for something, then nearer the time something happens and they can't go, and everybody in this position would far rather their friends were to benefit from their predicament than a faceless stranger.

I think, in all, we dancers are all a very honest and moral bunch, and none of us would dream of benefitting at the expense of such a worthy cause.

[El Salsero Gringo]

I agree that nobody should ever profit from touting tickets for a charity event, I see it as stealing from the charity itself, and although not ilegal, is highly immoral. I personally though have not seen anyone touting tickets, only ever selling the ticket for the same price as they originally paid.If you can't go, then surely the only moral, honest thing to do is to donate the ticket back to the charity for free - after all, if you ask for your money back then you're treating it like a commodity that can be bought and sold. And if it can be bought and sold, then there's no reason why it can't be bought and sold for profit.

Shame, disapprobation and derision on anyone who denies a charity the opportunity to collect another £25 through their change of circumstance. Into the river with them - at once.

[stewart38]

:London Eye and Silver Sturgeon and the teachers and DJs have not just generously donated their facilities/services to Whizzkidz. Us dancers also benefit, because the tickets - valued at £50+ at commercial rates have been subsidised to £25. So buy a LOT of raffle tickets - I also intend to.

It really upsets me that so many charities do not charge commercial rates or near commercial rates - i.e. the full values of what the event would otherwise cost. Why not? - the event will be as high quality as a commercial one - probably much higher because the time has been put in for love.



Well given the noise that people make about buying tap water for a £1 who knows what the take up would be if £50 was charged ?? 80% less ??

I guess the price was pitched at what seemed reasonable at the time,hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Yes buy lots of raffle tickets if you like (hope they dont run out)

[TiggsTours]

If you can't go, then surely the only moral, honest thing to do is to donate the ticket back to the charity for free - after all, if you ask for your money back then you're treating it like a commodity that can be bought and sold. And if it can be bought and sold, then there's no reason why it can't be bought and sold for profit.

Shame, disapprobation and derision on anyone who denies a charity the opportunity to collect another £25 through their change of circumstance. Into the river with them - at once.
For some people, £25 is ALOT of money, more than they would simply like to donate, but I understand what you mean, maybe they could sell it back for £20, making a £5 donation, or however large, or small a donation they choose to make.

The reason charities put on events is to raise more money than they would do by simply seeking donations. Who here can honestly say they are going on the eye on Friday, purely because of the money they are donating to charity, and not because they're looking forward to a damn good night out too?

[LMC]

The reason charities put on events is to raise more money than they would do by simply seeking donations.
Exactly. So why not charge closer to commercial rates? As I said, London Eye et al are subsidising us - i.e. the value of their donation to Whizzkidz has effectively been reduced.

Perhaps fewer people would go at the "full" cost. But the reaction of most of us was that £25 per ticket was an absolute steal. I might have gulped at £50, but wouldn't have thought twice about paying £40/£45 - not because I'm lucky enough to be rich, but because it will be a fabulous event and dancing on the Eye is a rare opportunity.


Who here can honestly say they are going on the eye on Friday, purely because of the money they are donating to charity, and not because they're looking forward to a damn good night out too?
Not me. I'm going for the good time, the fact that Whizzkidz benefits is, to me, a bonus and way down the list of reasons for going.


I guess the price was pitched at what seemed reasonable at the time,hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Hammersmith at New Year's Eve was originally £30 - and that's "just a hall", where you can dance quite regularly (yes, I know NYE ended up as £15 with no food and an early finish). The "added value" of dancing on the London Eye has to be worth at least an extra ten quid on that IMO.

[El Salsero Gringo]

For some people, £25 is ALOT of money, more than they would simply like to donate, but I understand what you mean, maybe they could sell it back for £20, making a £5 donation, or however large, or small a donation they choose to make.No sorry - once you've paid your £25, then you can quite obviously afford it. So if you can't go, then the only moral thing is to forgo the entire sum.
The reason charities put on events is to raise more money than they would do by simply seeking donations. Who here can honestly say they are going on the eye on Friday, purely because of the money they are donating to charity, and not because they're looking forward to a damn good night out too?I'm quite frankly shocked to hear you suggest that people might get some personal benefit (such as enjoyment) out of the evening when as Eleanor has pointed out, all the people and organisations involved in setting it up have donated their products and services for free. If British Airways or the Silver Sturgeon were to find out that people were hoping actually to have a good time I'm sure they'd think twice about participating in anything similar in the future. After all this is for a charity; it would entirely immoral for anyone else to gain anything from the night.

If it's wrong to benefit by £10 by buying and reselling a ticket, then why is it OK to benefit from the function in other, non-monetary ways?

[Lynn]

- not because I'm lucky enough to be rich, but because it will be a fabulous event and dancing on the Eye is a rare opportunity.That was why I considered coming over for this event - well that and the fact I could have got a return flight for £25, I am one of those people to whom '£25 is a lot of money'. But I still would have paid more. I'm sure lots of dancers realise what good value they are getting for a great evening and will buy plenty of raffle tickets as another way of supporting the charity.

[stewart38]

Hammersmith at New Year's Eve was originally £30 - and that's "just a hall", where you can dance quite regularly (yes, I know NYE ended up as £15 with no food and an early finish). The "added value" of dancing on the London Eye has to be worth at least an extra ten quid on that IMO.

Well that was Ealing but thats New Years eve.

I still think if you charge £50 the take up would have been 80% less

whats it cost to go on the London eye anyway ??

[Eleanor]

Well that was Ealing but thats New Years eve.

I still think if you charge £50 the take up would have been 80% less

whats it cost to go on the London eye anyway ??
The 2006 prices are: £13.00 for an adult, £6.50 for a child. You get a 10% discount off this if you book online at www.ba-londoneye.com. You pay more for Fast Track entry (£25.00) or for a Discovery Flight if you want a guide to point out all the sites (£15.00) or a romantic Champagne Flight (£29.50). Normally there are about 25 people in a capsule - we will only have 8. To hire a private capsule costs £385 - equivalent to £48.13 per person with only 8 people in the pod! Yes, you can tell I work for the London Eye!!!!

[LMC]

And then there's 4-5 hours on the boat afterwards... :clap:

[Ghost]

Ok so to recap

Eleanor’s done a wonderful job and raised lots of money for children :respect:

Touting tickets for profit is bad, but no-one seems to be actually doing it thankfully.

Anyone interested in buying or selling tickets would be advised to contact Eleanor

Maybe more money could have been made with a different cost, maybe not. Either way £1000s have been raised :worthy:

Lots of people are gonna have a great time :clap:

If anyone wants to further argue the extistential morality, may I humbly suggest they go here http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?p=206426#post206426 and leave Eleanor in peace

Be Well,
Christopher

[stewart38]

The 2006 prices are: £13.00 for an adult, £6.50 for a child. You get a 10% discount off this if you book online at www.ba-londoneye.com. You pay more for Fast Track entry (£25.00) or for a Discovery Flight if you want a guide to point out all the sites (£15.00) or a romantic Champagne Flight (£29.50). Normally there are about 25 people in a capsule - we will only have 8. To hire a private capsule costs £385 - equivalent to £48.13 per person with only 8 people in the pod! Yes, you can tell I work for the London Eye!!!!

If you find you havent got a head for heights and start screaming, how long before they get you down :whistle:

[Little Em]

im gutted i cant go to this.... dancing all night at the moment with my back the way it is! is not possible... so have sold my ticket to someone else:tears:

have a good time i want to see lots of photos!!!

:clap:

[TiggsTours]

Exactly. So why not charge closer to commercial rates? As I said, London Eye et al are subsidising us - i.e. the value of their donation to Whizzkidz has effectively been reduced.

Perhaps fewer people would go at the "full" cost. But the reaction of most of us was that £25 per ticket was an absolute steal. I might have gulped at £50, but wouldn't have thought twice about paying £40/£45 - not because I'm lucky enough to be rich, but because it will be a fabulous event and dancing on the Eye is a rare opportunity.

:yeah:
Its all relative though, perhaps £25 is an absolute steal to you, others may gulp at the price, £50 is a price you gulp at, to others it is an absolute steal! What I am saying is, there is a big difference that everybody puts on the value of money when they are getting something for it compared to when it is a straight donation, so wanting to get your full £25 back if you can't go, or even a large proportion of it, is not an unreasonable way to feel.

Not me. I'm going for the good time, the fact that Whizzkidz benefits is, to me, a bonus and way down the list of reasons for going.

:yeah:
Me too, and don't feel at all guilty about it.

[TiggsTours]

I'm quite frankly shocked to hear you suggest that people might get some personal benefit (such as enjoyment) out of the evening when as Eleanor has pointed out, all the people and organisations involved in setting it up have donated their products and services for free. If British Airways or the Silver Sturgeon were to find out that people were hoping actually to have a good time I'm sure they'd think twice about participating in anything similar in the future. After all this is for a charity; it would entirely immoral for anyone else to gain anything from the night.

If it's wrong to benefit by £10 by buying and reselling a ticket, then why is it OK to benefit from the function in other, non-monetary ways?
I said it is wrong to benefit 'at the detriment' of the charity, as far as I'm aware, everyone enjoying themselves is not going to cost the charity anything!

If this is the way you truly feel, I fully expect to see you looking miserable in the corner all night, and I promise not to try to jeapordise that by doing anything as reckless as asking you to dance!:wink:

[Rhythm King]

im gutted i cant go to this.... dancing all night at the moment with my back the way it is! is not possible... so have sold my ticket to someone else

have a good time i want to see lots of photos!!!

:eek: :tears: Gutted, indeed!

Sorry to hear that you're not well - hope you're better soon.
I'll take my camera!

R-K :hug:

[stewart38]

Or you can just dance on the eye

Hope there isnt a big queue and its open to dancers only :sick:
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Thank you for your enquiry. I regret to inform you that tickets for the boat
have now SOLD OUT (the entire event sold out in just over a week). We are
now selling tickets for couples to dance on the London Eye for £20.00 per
couple (normal price of a flight on the London Eye is £13.00 per person).
This will be a unique experience with four couples dancing in each capsule
during a 30 minute night time flight with music piped into each capsule. We
have exclusive use of the London Eye for this event and flights will be
boarding from 7.45pm to 8.30pm.
Please also note that there is no waiting list for the boat, as we cannot
offer any refunds (since all payments for this event have been a donation to
the charity) and we will therefore not be accepting any cancellations.
If you would like to make an evening of it, we can suggest that you follow
your flight on the London Eye by enjoying a meal at one of restaurant
partners or nightclubs for dinner and dancing. We have some great deals on
offer. For more information, please visit

[Eleanor]

Hi Danielle

I'm sorry to hear about your news. I have a friend who MAY want to come and i've left a message on her voicemail. I'll call you when i hear somthing back.

Hope you are okay
Asif :hug:
There is one more female ticket available. Please email me at dance@ba-londoneye.com if you would like to buy it. It will be sold on a first come first serve basis.

thanks!
Eleanor

[El Salsero Gringo]

If you find you havent got a head for heights and start screaming, how long before they get you down :whistle:That would take about two minutes, at full speed.


I said it is wrong to benefit 'at the detriment' of the charitySelling a ticket at a profit wouldn't cost the charity anything either. Anyway, enough sophistry. I hope everyone has a wonderful time, and I'm sorry not to be going.

[stewart38]

That would take about two minutes, at full speed.

.

Reminds of the guy who said its 3/4 hours walk to the bottom of the Grand Canyon or 9 secs if you jump.

You would have to jump from the middle of the canyon

so how high is the wheel :whistle:

[Dreadful Scathe]

EDIT: summary of graphs: less than 1% of registered charities receive nearly half of all charity revenue.

Indeed and the ones with the money can advertise to get more money. A good example is the RSPCA - I wouldnt dream of giving them any money. Why? Because they have a lot already and they don't spend any of it in Scotland - thats down to the SSPCA. Yet, I still see the adverts for the RSPCA on Scottish TV!

From their web site... (http://www.scottishspca.org/about/whatwedo.html)


People often confuse the Scottish SPCA with the RSPCA, which covers England and Wales only. Although we often work closely, we are entirely separate charities.

[Dreadful Scathe]

I said it is wrong to benefit 'at the detriment' of the charity, as far as I'm aware, everyone enjoying themselves is not going to cost the charity anything!



Neither would ticket touts selling the tickets for a profit; selling them gets more raffle ticket buyers through the doors. Also, what if the cheapskates who paid marked price for the tickets break something - whos going to pay for THAT!! eh ? :)

Incidently, I have 2 tickets going for a mere £40 each. Cheaper than ESGs £50 price ;)

Ive never seen the London Eye but I imagine its just like the eye in the Lord of the Rings films. :)

[David Bailey]

Ive never seen the London Eye but I imagine its just like the eye in the Lord of the Rings films. :)
Don't be silly.

Everyone knows it's a secret radio transmitter for the Auton invasion.

[El Salsero Gringo]

Reminds of the guy who said its 3/4 hours walk to the bottom of the Grand Canyon or 9 secs if you jump.

You would have to jump from the middle of the canyon

so how high is the wheel :whistle:No really - they have a 'fast' setting that spins the whole thing in a very few minutes in case anyone has a heart-attack at the top.
Incidently, I have 2 tickets going for a mere £40 each. Cheaper than ESGs £50 price ;)Yes but your tickets are for the matinee, right at the back, behind a pillar - and mine are front-row dress circle.

That man Scathe is dodgy, I say - have nothing to do with him, everyone.

[Eleanor]

There is one more female ticket available. Please email me at dance@ba-londoneye.com if you would like to buy it. It will be sold on a first come first serve basis.

thanks!
Eleanor
This female ticket has now SOLD OUT. If you know anyone interested in buying a ticket, please ask them to email dance@ba-londoneye.com and I will add them to the waiting list.