Guys - what are your core moves?

[Ghost]

"I only use about 20-25 core moves" generally brings 2 reactions from intermediates in my experience
1. "Yeah right and the rest "
2. "Ok but I bet they're all adavanced moves "

So what are your core moves at the moment? - I appreciate the list changes over time.

Mine are (with variations):
Accordian
Armjive
Backpass
Basket caress
Combs
Crucifix
Figure of 8
Halleluiahs
In and Out
Lead to nothing
Manhattens
Manspin
Neckbreak
Open First Move
Shoulder drop
Shoulder slide
Sways

Take care,
Christopher

[Andy McGregor]

"I only use about 20-25 core moves" generally brings 2 reactions from intermediates in my experience
1. "Yeah right and the rest "
2. "Ok but I bet they're all adavanced moves "

So what are your core moves at the moment? - I appreciate the list changes over time.

Mine are (with variations):
Accordian
Armjive
Backpass
Basket caress
Combs
Crucifix
Figure of 8
Halleluiahs
In and Out
Lead to nothing
Manhattens
Manspin
Neckbreak
Open First Move
Shoulder drop
Shoulder slide
Sways

Take care,
ChristopherYou're still using moves?

[David Bailey]

"I only use about 20-25 core moves" generally brings 2 reactions from intermediates in my experience
1. "Yeah right and the rest "
2. "Ok but I bet they're all adavanced moves "
25? Blimey, that's about 20 more than me then...

OK, based on last night, I'm currently using:

Cross-body leads (do these have a Ceroc name?)
Manhattan traverse-y variation thingy
Straightjacket :)
Neckloop (I think that's what it's called, it's a Comb variation I guess)
Sway ('coz it's lovely)


That's about it I think...

(You can just tell that Move Names is not my speciality can't you? :blush: )

[robd]

First Move
Basket
Sway
R/H Comb
Travelling Return
Er
You can see
I am struggling
now.....


Robert

[Ghost]

Thanks for your moves list :cheers:

25? Blimey, that's about 20 more than me then...
To clarify, are you basically just dancing 5 moves with tons of interpretation, musicality etc for each dance or are you principally dancing 5 moves about x% of the time and the other y% leading other random moves / Gadget moves? If the latter what are the percentages (roughly)?

eg in my core moves apart from the armjive pushpin, there's no spins - which is deliberate, but I will add them in if the lady likes them, can do them in a controlled way, I have the space, it fits the music etc.

Take care,
Christopher

[Ghost]

You're still using moves?
Most of the time...
"Chris on speed" - a comment from a lady being led through 6 consecutive evasions in bullet-time last week.

The moves were chosen for a variety of reasons - defensiveness with easy smooth evasions being right up there. But another reason is they also allow ladies who've worked out style ideas to actually use them or add in their own play / interpretation pretty much at will.

Take care,
Christopher

[TheTramp]

I only know 2 moves :tears:

[Ghost]

I only know 2 moves :tears:
Hey that puts you top so far. :worthy: What are they?

Anyone getting by on one? I'm not sure fragmented moves strung together really counts as 'none' as they'd still be using x number of core moves to get the bits and pieces from.

Take care,
Christopher

[David Bailey]

To clarify, are you basically just dancing 5 moves with tons of interpretation, musicality etc for each dance or are you principally dancing 5 moves about x% of the time and the other y% leading other random moves / Gadget moves? If the latter what are the percentages (roughly)?
Sorry, that wasn't clear - I do do other things, not just those 5 moves; but those are the main ones I use as "proper" (!) moves, ie. steps which have a clear sequence and therefore which could theoretically be anticipated. I try not to repeat them (well, except the cross-body ones which lurve).

As for percentages, bloody hell, I dunno. I just make it up most of the time, that probably puts me firnly in the Gadget camp. :eek:


Anyone getting by on one? I'm not sure fragmented moves strung together really counts as 'none' as they'd still be using x number of core moves to get the bits and pieces from.
Depends on how fragmented they are I guess... But I wouldn't class "steps" as "moves" really.

[TheTramp]

Hey that puts you top so far. :worthy: What are they?

They vary. I can learn more than 2, but memory retention isn't that great. One comes in, pushes one of the old ones out....

[tsh]

Just two...

In
Out


I vary these with different hand hold combinations, direction, and varying amount of turn for each of us, but I don't think I use much more than that.

Sean

[Msfab]

Surely this thread should read 'Leads - what are your core moves?'

My core moves are
1. the First move (of course) and a variation on it! So thats 2 moves really!
2. the Octopus.
3. Octopus variation - bringing the follow round on my left.
4. A new move I learnt from Amir not long ago. 2 handed - bring follow into my right hand side, but raising my elbow above their left arm - bring my left arm over her head and then lead out infront of me with or without hand and turn.
5. The cataplut.
6. Pretzel - but Im sure I do it differently to how I was taught:confused:
7?. If I remember the Neck break.

One day Ill get number 8. Id really like the penguin to be one of my core moves but still havent quite worked out how to get it right.

:really: I always manage to get stuck in a rut doing the First move, any suggestions?

[TheTramp]

:really: I always manage to get stuck in a rut doing the First move, any suggestions?

Stop doing the first move? :na:

[Msfab]

Stop doing the first move? :na:

And thats supposed to help is it?

[TheTramp]

And thats supposed to help is it?

Of course. It'll certainly solve your rutting problem :rolleyes:

(Maybe I should have rephrased that!) :innocent:

[Cruella]

:really: I always manage to get stuck in a rut doing the First move, any suggestions?
Don't dance near the rut then you won't fall down it and get stuck.:whistle:

[Msfab]

Of course. It'll certainly solve your rutting problem :rolleyes:

(Maybe I should have rephrased that!) :innocent:

ok when you get dancer block/stuck doing what ever, how do you get out of it?

[Msfab]

Don't dance near the rut then you won't fall down it and get stuck.:whistle:

Please people I genuinely need help!:(

[David Bailey]

Please people I genuinely need help!:(
Have an escape / standby move - something you can do that looks OK, but takes enough time for you to think of something else to do.

Slow comb with wiggle, for example. Or walkaround with wiggle. Lots of wiggles, basically :)

[Tessalicious]

ok when you get dancer block/stuck doing what ever, how do you get out of it?Pray for a break or accent in the music which will inspire you to do something different. Or if you know that's not going to happen, try a shimmy/wiggle to make you feel less pressured to think of moves - then you'll think of something.

Also, try changing to shake-hand hold, so you can't do a First Move without some serious creative thinking.

EDIT: DJ, great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ?

[tsh]

Change hands on a return...

[Andreas]

ok when you get dancer block/stuck doing what ever, how do you get out of it?
Change your handhold. As soon as you use the other hand you will find it difficult to do an FM, hence you will come up with something else. :D

[Andreas]

Change hands on a return...
beat me to it. :tears:

[tsh]

How do i delete a post then???

[Msfab]

Change hands on a return...



Change your handhold. As soon as you use the other hand you will find it difficult to do an FM, hence you will come up with something else. :D

I like this idea and will give it a go!:cheers:

[Tessalicious]

Since I'm here, and I'm bored, my core moves as a lead, and their variations, would probably be:

First move --> basic, walkaround, penguin, Columbian, go-cat (although I still muck that one up a bit...)
Armjive --> swizzle and French-girl (I think that's what it's called anyway)
Basket --> basic and reverse
Sway --> basic, lasso, tornado and tornado drop
Comb --> LH or RH but never both, cos I know how annoying that can be!
'Changing places' type moves --> man-spin, shoulder slide, shoulder-drop without the drop, man-guitar, step across
Yoyo --> basic, continuous, half-straight-jacket
Catapult - basic, pull, cleaver variation

And as a follow, my core steals include the First-move lady-steal and The Tart :devil:

It worries me how much I do think about moves, but it helps me to separate my leading and my following. At least I think it does.

[Msfab]

And as a follow, my core steals include the First-move lady-steal and The Tart :devil:

Oh Id like to add these to my following or not following :rolleyes: . Next time we're at the same venue Tessalicious can you please enlighten me!:cheers:

[Dirty D]

Pray for a break or accent in the music which will inspire you to do something different. Or if you know that's not going to happen, try a shimmy/wiggle to make you feel less pressured to think of moves - then you'll think of something.

Also, try changing to shake-hand hold, so you can't do a First Move without some serious creative thinking.

EDIT: DJ, great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ?
Shimmy/wiggle - Ms fab? you must be joking! Not one of favourate moves. At least that what she tell me!

Try thinking of a stupid sentance that relates to dancing ie,

Shot the swan then elbow the penguin, kick the octopus, may not work for you but i did work 4 me! The more crazy your sentance the more likely you are to remember it !

example for the above sentance SHOT (SLING SHOOT) the SWAN(SWAN Ariel), ELBOW (first move Elbow hook), the PENGUIN( AHH PENGUIN), KICK (any number of Kick Variation) OCTOPUS - (OCTOPUS)

[ducasi]

ok when you get dancer block/stuck doing what ever, how do you get out of it?
I found having a pal who says things like "oh, another basket! :rolleyes:" helped me break my 20-a-dance* habit...

Another pal has been limiting me to two walks per dance which was cut down the amounts of gratuitous walking I do... I'm not going to cut down on the amount of left-hand leading for her though, 'cause I like being evil.



*20 is just a guess – what ever number it was, it was too many!

[Ghost]

Depends on how fragmented they are I guess... But I wouldn't class "steps" as "moves" really.
Ok I do string together fragments of moves, but consider that to still be variations of core moves. Isn't yo-yo abridged into catapult a 'proper' Ceroc move?

So do peple actually mean
"I have about x moves I use as a core (without repetitions in a dance ie your signature moves) and the rest of the dance is random moves or abridged combinations to suit the music etc"?

Take care,
Christopher

[Ghost]

Surely this thread should read 'Leads - what are your core moves?'
:flower: Strangely, no. It was a deliberate choice on my part. You are of course welcome to read 'guys' in the gender neutral American sense, and it is a good question - I am interested in ladies' core moves, but it's a different question to the one I'm asking.

Having watched ladies leading ladies and men leading ladies (sorry haven't seen other combinations) there seems to be a marked difference in attitude. Frankly the ladies dance up a storm and seem to have a great amount of fun and although they use the moves to convey emotions and energy, the moves themselves are secondary to the dance. The aim is about having a great dance (or so it appears). When I watch skilled guys lead it's much more about the moves. It's more like watching an exhibition of Ceroc moves.

So I figure either
* I have a feminine style of leading - I can live with that
* The really good dancers are focusing more on what they can do with the moves rather than how many different moves they can dance and I haven't seen them yet (I don't spend much time watching others dance so this is entirely possible).

Just like to know really.

I remember George Lucas mentioning the idea of repeated musical phrases in orchestral music which he'd applied to the latest Star Wars films. I like the idea of dancing the same moves more than once in a dance to set up a phrasing eg always get into a sway for the break in a song and let the lady style it out differently each time. I've been told by various ladies that they don't keep track of the moves the guys are dancing and this matches my limited experience of following.

So am I actually doing it all wrong by repeating moves within a dance? I've certainly got enough moves that I don't have to. But I like the idea of specialising with a limited number of moves and experimenting with different concepts and having reoccuring themes / phrases in the dance.

Be well
Christopher

[Gadget]

To clarify, are you basically just dancing 5 moves with tons of interpretation, musicality etc for each dance or are you principally dancing 5 moves about x% of the time and the other y% leading other random moves / Gadget moves? If the latter what are the percentages (roughly)?
:rofl: 85% of the time it's "Gadget moves", the rest I steal, let the follower make up or just pretend I know what I'm doing :rofl:

I would say that about 60% of my moves are 1st move based, with 20% based on arm leads and 'rolling' type leads, and the rest made up from behind the back type things; duck-under/comb/loop-over type things; arm twisty, constant motion, duck-spin-pull-step-movecatch-turn... with a traveling return. {* actually, that's scarily accurate :what::what:}

[Trish]

ok when you get dancer block/stuck doing what ever, how do you get out of it?

Best way is to do a first move push-spin and catch with the other hand, you can't do a cycle of lots of first moves one after the other that way. I used to get stuck in that rut when I first started leading, so I sympathise!

[Msfab]

:flower: Strangely, no. It was a deliberate choice on my part. You are of course welcome to read 'guys' in the gender neutral American sense, and it is a good question - I am interested in ladies' core moves, but it's a different question to the one I'm asking.

Having watched ladies leading ladies and men leading ladies (sorry haven't seen other combinations) there seems to be a marked difference in attitude. Frankly the ladies dance up a storm and seem to have a great amount of fun and although they use the moves to convey emotions and energy, the moves themselves are secondary to the dance. The aim is about having a great dance (or so it appears). When I watch skilled guys lead it's much more about the moves. It's more like watching an exhibition of Ceroc moves.

Isnt Dancing freestyle about having Fun, enjoying your partner, enjoying the music and atmosphere? Be it with the same gender or not! :rolleyes:
Sorry Christopher - Im not understanding 'the moves themselves are secondary to the dance.' What is the primary objective of a dance lead by a lady?
Oh, I thought people were moving away from 'moves' to 'lead/follow' type of dancing.:confused:

[David Bailey]

Ok I do string together fragments of moves, but consider that to still be variations of core moves. Isn't yo-yo abridged into catapult a 'proper' Ceroc move?
Errr... technical move discussion... head hurts...

OK, to take an example, I often / usually go forward with my left (and lead the lady back on her right) following a return, as it's a good lead-in to lots of nice slotted moves, and I think it looks good. But I wouldn't class "stepping forward on my left, leading the lady back on her right" as a "move", to me that's a step - because it's, well, just one step.

So that's what I mean by a fragment. Does that make sense?

[Ghost]

Errr... technical move discussion... head hurts...
Sorry


So that's what I mean by a fragment. Does that make sense?
Yes. But it's what happens after the step I'm wondering about. So you have say 5 signature moves you can lead into, or combinations of other moves. Are your Gadget style moves based on say 20 core moves or do you pull from everything you know?

Thanks
Christopher

[David Bailey]

Yes. But it's what happens after the step I'm wondering about.
What, you want more? I'm usually just happy to plan 0.25 seconds in advance... :whistle:

OK, from that example, you can do cross-body leads of course, you can walk forwards for a couple more steps, you can do Manhattan-style forwards-and-backs... Ooooh, so many good things :)

Sorry, but I'm not really sure how many moves I "draw from", I don't really think much in terms of moves (for a value of "think" that isn't too high). As I said, me and move names don't get on, I keep on forgetting what the Swizzle is even now. :blush:

[Ghost]

Isnt Dancing freestyle about having Fun, enjoying your partner, enjoying the music and atmosphere?
To me, yes.


Sorry Christopher - Im not understanding 'the moves themselves are secondary to the dance.' What is the primary objective of a dance lead by a lady?
My perspective is that it is

about having Fun, enjoying your partner, enjoying the music and atmosphere


Oh, I thought people were moving away from 'moves' to 'lead/follow' type of dancing.:confused:
Ok cool, that's a better way of putting it. The ladies I've watched seemed to be more into lead/follow. The guys I've watched appear to be more into the moves.

Put another way, it didn't seem to matter if the lady led beginner's moves or repeated a move as long as the dance was enjoyable. It's about the dance. The moves are secondary. The best dance I've seen a guy lead was at the end of a night when he quit dancing as many complicated moves as possible and pretty much just hugged his lady whilst rocking - total shift in energy, the moves became secondary to the dance. Up until then the dance had been secondary to the moves.

Now to be fair there's a place for both. If a follow's gotten to the point where they can dance advanced moves, then it's probably nice to be able to actually dance them with someone who can lead them. Likewise if a follow knows hundred's of moves, then I can see being able to dance a variety of moves as being a good thing.

Does that make sense :flower: ?
Christopher

[Ghost]

What, you want more? I'm usually just happy to plan 0.25 seconds in advance... :whistle:
:whistle: Well I suppose I could come along with a notebook and watch you dance.

So the next question is are you and Gadget just out there on your own, or is this a natural progression in dancing? Would you say 'skilled / advanced / good' dancers that you know dance mainly Gadget style and are mainly 'moveless'?

Take care,
Christopher

[Sheepman]

5. The cataplut. This sounds so descriptive and tempting, like a cat being thrown into treacle, but I still can't work out what it is, will you try it out on me next Saturday? :wink:

Greg

[Ghost]

Put another way -
Lady leads seem more interested in what they can do with the moves
Male leads seem more interested in doing moves

Take care,
Christopher

[David Bailey]

:whistle: Well I suppose I could come along with a notebook and watch you dance.

So the next question is are you and Gadget just out there on your own,
Possibly :rofl:

Note: this doesn't mean we're any good - please don't think that - but we may be equally weird...


or is this a natural progression in dancing? Would you say 'skilled / advanced / good' dancers that you know dance mainly Gadget style and are mainly 'moveless'?
Never met Gadg, so dunno. And I don't usually watch people dancing either, I get bored too easily. The only dancer at the moment I'll take time to watch is Latin Andy, he dances around Sarf...

But as a very very general point*, I personally am trying to avoid moves in favour of steps, yes - simply because moves can lead to anticipation, anticipation leads to fear, fear leads to ... etc.

* With exceptions for the moves I really really like of course.

[Asif]

I only know 2 moves :tears:
Well that's one more than me! :whistle:

But in my current condition, even that's a bit of a problem right now! :tears:

[TiggsTours]

Well that's one more than me! :whistle:

But in my current condition, even that's a bit of a problem right now! :tears:
Ah, don't be hard on yourself, your blues shuffle is still perfect. :hug:

[ChrisA]

So the next question is are you and Gadget just out there on your own, or is this a natural progression in dancing? Would you say 'skilled / advanced / good' dancers that you know dance mainly Gadget style and are mainly 'moveless'?

Out of all the dancers I've seen that I'd say are good or better, not a single one of them mostly does moves as taught in Ceroc classes.

Like it or not, those who do mostly "stock" moves, even complicated ones, are instantly recognisable on the dancefloor, and they are usually intermediates that haven't progressed much with their style or interpretation.

Although it's theoretically possible, given a knowledge of moves and how many counts they take, to time their execution so that some appearance of interpretation is evident, in practice it's almost impossible to do much with the music without altering the timing and content of the moves.

So anyone that develops interpretively will naturally move towards varying the content and timing of what they do, to suit both the music and their partner.

Such variation can only be introduced by being able to take the component parts of the moves that are taught, and connect them together in lots of different ways... and also by being able to lead (and follow) the timing changes needed to make them fit the music.

The intrinsic rigidity of stock moves makes most of this impossible.

So yes, I'd say that it's a natural progression beyond what we know as the intermediate moves as taught.

Doesn't mean it's an inevitable progression though, or a compulsory one.

[Ghost]

but we may be equally weird... < snip >

But as a very very general point*, I personally am trying to avoid moves in favour of steps, yes - simply because moves can lead to anticipation, anticipation leads to fear, fear leads to ... etc.

Ah thanks for verbalising that - I was struggling a bit. My understanding is that Gadget is also unfond of anticipation (Gadget feel free to correct me here :cheers: ) and so I was wondering if this is more a progression for a specific style of leading dancing.

For me the cure to backleading / anticipating is to clearly and gently lead recognisable moves. Then the lady relaxes and follows whatever I lead, often with a smile if I do something she hasn't done before. The more tense a lady is at the start of dance, the more I relax and take all the time in the world. I suspect that anticipation is more to do with worrying about getting a move "right". It also generally has a 'rushed' feeling to it hence my projecting a vibe of 'slowing down'

Oh and raising anticipation in a lady isn't always a bad thing....

But there are many paths up the mountain :cheers: If I'm doing taii chi for example I just flow, there aren't really any recognisbale moves. I've been wondering for a while to what degree to incorporate this into my Ceroc dancing and I've been playing with different amounts.

Take care,
Christopher

[Ghost]

Out of all the dancers I've seen that I'd say are good or better, not a single one of them mostly does moves as taught in Ceroc classes. < snip >
Thanks, useful points. This intrinsically makes sense to me. I think more in terms of adbridging or extending moves, but essentially yes there's only so many ways you can move. To me it makes sense to understand the components and how they flow together or indeed jar horribly.

For me at the moment it makes sense to take a limited number of moves and see what I can do with them to flow to different types of music, different parts of the music etc. Similar I suppose to Gadget's thread about do you have to dance tango moves to tango? In theory it should be possible to dance an entire song just using one move but danced in a variety of ways to reflect the music.

The guys I’ve seen are dancing stock moves as is. Happy to know there’s levels beyond that I just haven’t seen danced in freestyle yet.
:cheers:
Christopher

[Gadget]

Although it's theoretically possible, given a knowledge of moves and how many counts they take, to time their execution so that some appearance of interpretation is evident, in practice it's almost impossible to do much with the music without altering the timing and content of the moves.
Isn't that called West Coast Swing? :innocent::whistle::devil:


Note: this doesn't mean we're any good - please don't think that - but we may be equally weird...
:yeah:... and that's scary :what:
{and everything else wot e said}

and so I was wondering if this is more a progression for a specific style of leading dancing.Possibly. We are constantly trying to improve our dancing. To do this there are a few elements to focus on in order to convey what we want the follower to do:

- Leading & Connection. The best leads are {imho} very subtle. To gain this subtlety, you need to have minimal disruption to it at the key moments. Timing and preparation as well as a clear signal are required. And you also need to know how to lead (rather than what to lead) to get the follower to move where you want them.

- Movement/positioning/footwork {:na:}. To make the lead easier, you need to be in the right place and guide your partner to the right place. And do it without sending false signals or disrupting your lead - in fact the lead can often start from the feet and work up to the hands.

- Musicality/Characterisation. Listening to the music and trying to match a repeated chorus to a repeated move or time highlights to match the music or build up bigger moves with a build up of sound or take moves smaller and more confined or provide contrast....

When you are thinking{*} on stuff like this, moves are only really used to form lines/positions and get some variety into the dance.

{*"Thinking" is a bit strong, but you get the drift}

For me the cure to backleading / anticipating is to clearly and gently lead recognisable moves.yup. If it's that sort of anticipating. Others I do the reverse and lead every variation except the one they want it to be. {I'm just evil that way :devil:} Others, I let them get on with it and catch them on the other side.
Depends on who, when, and everything else.


If I'm doing taii chi for example I just flow, there aren't really any recognisable moves. I've been wondering for a while to what degree to incorporate this into my Ceroc dancing and I've been playing with different amounts. Ah young glasshoppa, do not stop and wonder. simply do. :worthy:

Seriously; if you are thinking about it too much, you will probably trip over your own thoughts. Stick with moves you know and see how far you can bend them. Then while you are twisting that move out of shape, think on another and how it can melded into it.

BTW - the dude that stopped "leading moves" and went to a close hold; try "blues dancing". :wink:


So yes, I'd say that it's a natural progression beyond what we know as the intermediate moves as taught.

Doesn't mean it's an inevitable progression though, or a compulsory one.
:yeah:

[Sheepman]

Such variation can only be introduced by being able to take the component parts of the moves that are taught, and connect them together in lots of different ways... and also by being able to lead (and follow) the timing changes needed to make them fit the music.

The intrinsic rigidity of stock moves makes most of this impossible.

So yes, I'd say that it's a natural progression beyond what we know as the intermediate moves as taught. :yeah:
And once in a blue moon I reach that nirvana of "there are no moves, just transitions into start and end poses that fit the music." But can that only happen when the components can be linked without conscious thought?

Greg

[Ghost]

few elements to focus on < snip good stuff but I especially like >
When you are thinking{*} on stuff like this, moves are only really used to form lines/positions and get some variety into the dance.


Ah young glasshoppa, do not stop and wonder. simply do. :worthy:
I figured this out a while back. I think about stuff at home on my own, dancing round the lounge, muttering and making notes. When I go dancing I just relax and flow. I find the concepts gradually incorpoarte themselves in their own time. But I do like to understand why I'm doing things. I've spent the last 6 months figuring out "Ghost style" and almost all of that was dancing in a state of "I know this is wrong but I don't know why" :tears: . It's a wonderful feeling to finally be able to dance again :clap: Thanks to everyone who's put up with me during this time :flower:


Seriously; if you are thinking about it too much, you will probably trip over your own thoughts. Stick with moves you know and see how far you can bend them. Then while you are twisting that move out of shape, think on another and how it can melded into it.
Last night (at home) I was just dancing on my own freeform and then gradually seeing which Ceroc moves fit the moves I was doing and how to blend, accentuate, crop etc - great fun.


BTW - the dude that stopped "leading moves" and went to a close hold; try "blues dancing". :wink:
Strangely, no. I've never seen him dance any blues moves before or since - he's pure Ceroc. It wasn't a Blues Basic either. It was more newly married couple at the end of the evening dancing - you know when they just snuggle and relax into each other? :hug:

Be Well,
Christopher

[Ghost]

:yeah:
And once in a blue moon I reach that nirvana of "there are no moves, just transitions into start and end poses that fit the music." But can that only happen when the components can be linked without conscious thought?

Greg
Several ladies have pointed out that I can only do this when I'm not thinking about it. It is however possible to overlay a move / position / concept on top in my experience. ie I want to end in this position in 3 seconds but not specify how to get there. It's the mental equivalent of giving directions to a driver. You say turn left at the next junction. It's up to him to find the space in the traffic, signal, change lanes, deicde what speed changes and when etc.
"Tell the universe what you want but not how to provide it" - can't remember who said it, probably Sonia Choquette.

Be Well,
Christopher

[under par]

ok when you get dancer block/stuck doing what ever, how do you get out of it?


STOP!

Stand an arm length from your partner and......... WIGGLE!

Yep that stops first move rutting :yeah:

[under par]

Core Moves.

Moves I like to use most are currently

1. Back to back.

2. Cross hand Comb/nelson male walk round.

3. Neck break entry into spin out.

4. Larriat.

5. Sway into windmill turns (wrist to wrist).

6.Forward ochos(when I can remember how to start them!).

7. First move into mambo steps then a lunge and dip.

8. Basket into Viktor manturn into mambo step.

[Lee]

I just:

1) Turn up (to a Ceroc venue).
2) Leave the venue (hours later).

What I do between i may not be able to quantify. :rofl: :blush:

Lee

[Lee]

Put another way -
Lady leads seem more interested in what they can do with the moves
Male leads seem more interested in doing moves

Take care,
Christopher

I like this thought (above):

I think because guys are taught lots of moves (each night) they think that doing the moves is what is important.

Whereas the Ladies are (mainly) introduced to ceroc by learning to follow and then later on they try out the leading part. By then they understand what can be done with the moves.

Lee

[Msfab]

I think because guys are taught lots of moves (each night) they think that doing the moves is what is important.

Whereas the Ladies are (mainly) introduced to ceroc by learning to follow and then later on they try out the leading part. By then they understand what can be done with the moves.

So in that case you guys should learn to follow a little bit more so that you become a little more inventive with your moves.

[Lee]

So in that case you guys should learn to follow a little bit more so that you become a little more inventive.

I have tried, but it feels unnatural (a bit like doing the washing up. JOKE).

Seriously, some of us (guys) have tried, and the girls just laugh at us, as we are so bad at following, it's like learning to roller skate and then swichting to in line skates. OMG it's wierd.

Lee

[Msfab]

I have tried, but it feels unnatural (a bit like doing the washing up. JOKE).

Seriously, some of us (guys) have tried, and the girls just laugh at us, as we are so bad at following, it's like learning to roller skate and then swichting to in line skates. OMG it's wierd.

And your going to let girls laughing at you, Stop you from learning?:rolleyes:

[Ghost]

So in that case you guys should learn to follow a little bit more so that you become a little more inventive with your moves.
Good advice :wink:

Lee - let a beautiful woman lead you. Just keep looking in her eyes. It'll keep you in the right state of :awe: to follow. Thinking is bad :wink:

Take care,
Christopher

[Lee]

And your going to let girls laughing at you, Stop you from learning?:rolleyes:

Yer but no but right. :confused: :confused:

I'm still 'learning' to dance properly as the leader, i can't switch - my brain will explode. :eek:

:respect: to the ladies that both lead & follow (your a better man than me:rolleyes: ).

Lee

[Msfab]

Yer but no but right. :confused: :confused:

I'm still 'learning' to dance properly as the leader, i can't switch - my brain will explode. :eek:

What a rubbish excuse Lee?

Ok the next time we're in the same place we'll give it a go. And I promise not to laugh too much!:innocent:

[Ghost]

Ok the next time we're in the same place we'll give it a go. And I promise not to laugh too much!:innocent:
There you go Lee :cheers:
*whispers* and remember if anything goes wrong, it's always the lead's fault :devil: *whispers*

Have fun,
Christopher

[Msfab]

*whispers* and remember if anything goes wrong, it's always the lead's fault :devil: *whispers*


There is no wrong or right just different :whistle:

[CJ]

There is no wrong or right just different :whistle:

Then, Ms, thank you for your patience with all the "different" dances we had in Twyford!!:rofl:

I look forward to leading you indifferently!!:wink:

Oh.... my moves:

1st move stuff
lots of catapult stuff
octo type stuff
mambo stuff
that's it, I think:blush:

[Keith J]

geeeeeeeeee I guess this is where one is at in ones head at times.
Once a guy enters the 'zone' its the creativity and music interpretation that becomes the key.:really:
This is the very 'core essence', the moves become familiar patterns to allow links for expression.
:yum:

[Tessalicious]

...and remember if anything goes wrong, it's always the lead's faultWRONG!

It's always the man's fault, or at least that's what the teacher always says - and the teacher is always right, right?

By extrapolation, I have concluded that, when dancing just with another girl, any thing that goes wrong must always be the fault of the nearest man. :innocent:

[Andreas]

By extrapolation, I have concluded that, when dancing just with another girl, any thing that goes wrong must always be the fault of the nearest man. :innocent:
I think I have to agree here. It just shows how easy you are to distract. :devil: It also shows that you obviously don't pay enough attention to your dance partner because otherwise there'd be no way you could be distracted by nearby men. Bad Tessa! :eek: :na: :rofl:

[thewacko]

Surely this thread should read 'Leads - what are your core moves?'

My core moves are

4. A new move I learnt from Amir not long ago. 2 handed - bring follow into my right hand side, but raising my elbow above their left arm - bring my left arm over her head and then lead out infront of me with or without hand and turn.
Are you sure that was from amir and not Hulk Hogan:eek:

Core moves:

Armjive (always a good one to start with to get beat)

First move: Can turn into turn and a high kick; or a Manhattan; or half way through a turn and a double turn; or a dip.

Basket: (Always end up in a basket:mad:); push lady into front, then right, turn yourself and lady and repeat:confused:; spin lady out to right keeping hold, and pull back.

Pretzel:or half pretzel; or place hands behind both necks and walk around

Manspin, Ceroc spin/Lady spin, or other changing hand moves

or if you dance with a lady/follower that insists on multi spins, I find the Eric Morecambe Dance/walk usually comes in handy:D

Probably a few more but I am useless with names of lady dancers never mind moves as well:cheers:

[Yogi_Bear]

Core MJ moves:
First move and numerous variations thereof,
Travelling return.
Keep it to man's left / lady's right hand holds.
And that's it.

The rest just depends on the connection - and the music.
(And with any luck - a chance to introduce some west coast swing....)

[Steven666]

Very out of date (months and months of nightly lessons and doesn't include what I already pre-knew) but this is my list of potention what I can do at any point.

EDIT - The list looks good in excel!!! Oh well. :whistle:

First Move First Move (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Push SpinFirst Move Three StepFirst Move Three Step (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Three Step & Ballroom SpinFirst Move Three Step & Ballroom Spin (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Triple Step & ReverseFirst Move Rocking Sway RepeatFirst Move Rocking Sway Repeat (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Double Turn RepeatFirst Move Double Turn Repeat (Inside Turn Exit)First Move ColumbianFirst Move Columbian (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Columbian SeducerFirst Move Columbian Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)Columbian (With Triple Step And Double Turn Out)First Move SeducerFirst Move Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Double SeducerFirst Move Double Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Inside KicksFirst Move Inside Kicks (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Kicks Repeat (To Face)First Move Kicks Repeat (To Face - Inside Turn Exit)Open First MoveOpen First Move (Inside Turn Exit)Open First Move & Point WalkOpen First Move & Point Walk (Inside Turn Exit)Open First Move & RotateOpen First Move & Rotate (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Change HandsFirst Move ClicksFirst Move Inside Turns & RepeatFirst Move Syncipated WalkFirst Move Syncipated Walk (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Syncipated Walk & Scorpian LungeFirst Move Syncipated Walk & Scorpian Lunge (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Spin (Changing Hands Behind)First Move Scorpion LungeFirst Move Scorpion Lunge (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Arm Grab LungeOpen First Move ManspinFirst Move Pivoting WalkFirst Move Archer SpinOpen First Move Lady Ducking SeducerOpen First Move Lady Ducking Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Tango SeducerFirst Move Tango Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)PretzelDouble PretzelRepeated PretzelPretzel Spot Turn LeanFalse PretzelContinuous False PretzelAlmost False PretzelAlmost False Pretzel With Mirrored CatapultPreztel Block Walkaround (Slide Exit)Preztel Block Walkaround & C-W ReversePreztel Block Walkaround & AC-W ReverseSide2SideSide2Side & ReverseSide2Side FlamencoNeckbreakNeckbreak RepeatShort KnekbreakShort Knekbreak & WiggleFalse Continued NeckbreakSecret Neckbreak Pull ThroughBack HanderShort Back HanderTravelling ReturnCollect & Rotate (Changing Hands)Collect & RotateTravelling Return Block PassLeg Trailing WalkaroundWrist Lean & SeducerLeft Handed CombLeft Handed Comb (With Return)Left Handed Slow CombLeft Handed Slow Comb (With Return)Left Handed Blind CombManspinManspin (Double Spin)Archer-SpinArcher-Spin & ReverseFigure Of 8Figure Of 8 & LeanFigure Of 8 & Lady's PerogativeStep AcrossStep Across With Both TurningArm Roll & WriggleTurnaroundCatapultCatapult BlocksCatapult ClickRight Catapult Lean & First MoveRight Handed CombRight Handed Slow CombComb PropellerDouble Comb RepeatDouble Comb & Block PassDickinson CombShoulder DropShort Shoulder DropShort Shoulder Drop & Kick Point WalkSlow Shoulder DropReturn Shoulder Drop Click & FlickShoulder Drop Ant TurnLady SpinTravelling Lady SpinLady Spin Around The WorldHalf WindmillWindmillSecret MoveSecret ManhattanSecret Double Handed Slo-CombSecret Swizzle (Both Swizzle)SwayLassu-Sway LeanLassu-Sway SquatSway FlamencoSway Rotation Pull & SpinSway Walks & Kick Stepback Repeated With LeanSway Lassu & WalkaroundYoyoYoyo (Stationary)Lassu-SpinLassu-SpinBackwards Walk Yoyo & SwayYoyo CatapultYoyo SpringerYoyo Changing SpringerYoyo ShoulderdropYoyo Rotation & Hip SpinHatch BackHatch Back (AC-W)Hatch Back (Offer & Swap)Ceroc SpinRight Handed BackpassR-Hand Neckbreak Rotation & CombRuby's TurnTitantic & Travelling Lady SpinDouble Handed Return & HallayullaReturn Zipper Duck UnderReturn Turn In MamboBasketIn Front Basket Sway MamboBasket CaressBasket Into French GirlBasket Into French Girl (Step Under Exit)Basket Caress & Double Comb (Catapult Exit)FriskBasket Man Wrap CatapultBacket Reverse CatapultOctopusOctopullExtended Octopus With Rotation & Flick SpinIn & OutIn & Out (Changing Places)WrapperZipperArm-JiveArm-Jive Push SpinArm-Jive SwizzleHigh Arm Jive & Shoulder Locked Forward CatapultArm-Jive Wrap & Flick SpinArm Jive Archer SpinArm Jive Basket SwingshotCleaverCleaver & Reverse With Body RollsFrench GirlTravelling French Girl Double Turn BasketHalleyuyaHalleyuya Wrist SpinLady's Perogative

Desperately need to update this.

[David Bailey]

Ahh, you're making those move names up, aren't you... :na:

[Steven666]

Ahh, you're making those move names up, aren't you... :na:

You noticed. I can never remember the real names for moves so I name them as I see fit.

[Martin]

First Move First Move (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Push SpinFirst Move Three StepFirst Move Three Step (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Three Step & Ballroom SpinFirst Move Three Step & Ballroom Spin (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Triple Step & ReverseFirst Move Rocking Sway RepeatFirst Move Rocking Sway Repeat (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Double Turn RepeatFirst Move Double Turn Repeat (Inside Turn Exit)First Move ColumbianFirst Move Columbian (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Columbian SeducerFirst Move Columbian Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)Columbian (With Triple Step And Double Turn Out)First Move SeducerFirst Move Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Double SeducerFirst Move Double Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Inside KicksFirst Move Inside Kicks (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Kicks Repeat (To Face)First Move Kicks Repeat (To Face - Inside Turn Exit)Open First MoveOpen First Move (Inside Turn Exit)Open First Move & Point WalkOpen First Move & Point Walk (Inside Turn Exit)Open First Move & RotateOpen First Move & Rotate (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Change HandsFirst Move ClicksFirst Move Inside Turns & RepeatFirst Move Syncipated WalkFirst Move Syncipated Walk (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Syncipated Walk & Scorpian LungeFirst Move Syncipated Walk & Scorpian Lunge (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Spin (Changing Hands Behind)First Move Scorpion LungeFirst Move Scorpion Lunge (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Arm Grab LungeOpen First Move ManspinFirst Move Pivoting WalkFirst Move Archer SpinOpen First Move Lady Ducking SeducerOpen First Move Lady Ducking Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Tango SeducerFirst Move Tango Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)PretzelDouble PretzelRepeated PretzelPretzel Spot Turn LeanFalse PretzelContinuous False PretzelAlmost False PretzelAlmost False Pretzel With Mirrored CatapultPreztel Block Walkaround (Slide Exit)Preztel Block Walkaround & C-W ReversePreztel Block Walkaround & AC-W ReverseSide2SideSide2Side & ReverseSide2Side FlamencoNeckbreakNeckbreak RepeatShort KnekbreakShort Knekbreak & WiggleFalse Continued NeckbreakSecret Neckbreak Pull ThroughBack HanderShort Back HanderTravelling ReturnCollect & Rotate (Changing Hands)Collect & RotateTravelling Return Block PassLeg Trailing WalkaroundWrist Lean & SeducerLeft Handed CombLeft Handed Comb (With Return)Left Handed Slow CombLeft Handed Slow Comb (With Return)Left Handed Blind CombManspinManspin (Double Spin)Archer-SpinArcher-Spin & ReverseFigure Of 8Figure Of 8 & LeanFigure Of 8 & Lady's PerogativeStep AcrossStep Across With Both TurningArm Roll & WriggleTurnaroundCatapultCatapult BlocksCatapult ClickRight Catapult Lean & First MoveRight Handed CombRight Handed Slow CombComb PropellerDouble Comb RepeatDouble Comb & Block PassDickinson CombShoulder DropShort Shoulder DropShort Shoulder Drop & Kick Point WalkSlow Shoulder DropReturn Shoulder Drop Click & FlickShoulder Drop Ant TurnLady SpinTravelling Lady SpinLady Spin Around The WorldHalf WindmillWindmillSecret MoveSecret ManhattanSecret Double Handed Slo-CombSecret Swizzle (Both Swizzle)SwayLassu-Sway LeanLassu-Sway SquatSway FlamencoSway Rotation Pull & SpinSway Walks & Kick Stepback Repeated With LeanSway Lassu & WalkaroundYoyoYoyo (Stationary)Lassu-SpinLassu-SpinBackwards Walk Yoyo & SwayYoyo CatapultYoyo SpringerYoyo Changing SpringerYoyo ShoulderdropYoyo Rotation & Hip SpinHatch BackHatch Back (AC-W)Hatch Back (Offer & Swap)Ceroc SpinRight Handed BackpassR-Hand Neckbreak Rotation & CombRuby's TurnTitantic & Travelling Lady SpinDouble Handed Return & HallayullaReturn Zipper Duck UnderReturn Turn In MamboBasketIn Front Basket Sway MamboBasket CaressBasket Into French GirlBasket Into French Girl (Step Under Exit)Basket Caress & Double Comb (Catapult Exit)FriskBasket Man Wrap CatapultBacket Reverse CatapultOctopusOctopullExtended Octopus With Rotation & Flick SpinIn & OutIn & Out (Changing Places)WrapperZipperArm-JiveArm-Jive Push SpinArm-Jive SwizzleHigh Arm Jive & Shoulder Locked Forward CatapultArm-Jive Wrap & Flick SpinArm Jive Archer SpinArm Jive Basket SwingshotCleaverCleaver & Reverse With Body RollsFrench GirlTravelling French Girl Double Turn BasketHalleyuyaHalleyuya Wrist SpinLady's Perogative




You would do well in Australia, they love loads of moves there, for me, normally beginner moves, the rest being variations and playing with the music. :D

[Steven666]

Can I ask the people who say they do "other things" besides their dozen or so moves, what those "other things" are?

[Ghost]

Can I ask the people who say they do "other things" besides their dozen or so moves, what those "other things" are?

The ones I listed are probably 90% of what I dance at the moment. Lady plays, sudden attacks of inspriation / nostaligia, freeform, SNAFUs I get away with would be the rest.

[David Bailey]

Can I ask the people who say they do "other things" besides their dozen or so moves, what those "other things" are?
Ah... now you're talking :)

Steps, pauses, wiggles, walks, more steps... the list is endless.

[Steven666]

Ah... now you're talking :)

Lol.


Steps

Step where, walking to a different part of the dancefloor or just back and to in the same slot?


pausesThumb on lady's hand to let her do what she wants?


wigglesSlo combs, rock in's, that sort of thing?


walksWalkarounds?


more steps... the list is endless.

Err

Am I getting the gist of it or do you mean something else. I do, do some of those things (for a rest in a long song) but often choose not to simply as I don't like them.

[DD+]

Am I getting the gist of it or do you mean something else. I do, do some of those things (for a rest in a long song) but often choose not to simply as I don't like them.

Each to there own but music should be played with and its sometimes more fun to play than bang out move after move:flower::wink:

[David Bailey]

Step where, walking to a different part of the dancefloor or just back and to in the same slot?
Both. Not to mention stepping to the side. And indeed, backwards :)


Thumb on lady's hand to let her do what she wants?
That's one way, yes - I don't use it that often, however. There are many ways to stop moving...


Slo combs, rock in's, that sort of thing?
No, just, well, wiggling without moves.


Walkarounds?
Yes, or walks, depending on the circumstances.


Am I getting the gist of it or do you mean something else. I do, do some of those things (for a rest in a long song) but often choose not to simply as I don't like them.
Different strokes, etc.

It's quite possible to have a great dance experience without much improvisation, of course - I think that the term "Move Monster" is an unfair stereotype - but you still need good technique.

[rubyred]

Very out of date (months and months of nightly lessons and doesn't include what I already pre-knew) but this is my list of potention what I can do at any point.

EDIT - The list looks good in excel!!! Oh well. :whistle:

First Move First Move (Inside Turn Exit).......................SwingshotCleaverCleave r & Reverse With Body RollsFrench GirlTravelling French Girl Double Turn BasketHalleyuyaHalleyuya Wrist SpinLady's Perogative

Desperately need to update this.

Blumin heck mate I am exhausted just looking at these lol..would like to catch you for a dance if you would like to sometime please, you dance local to me.

Out of interest do you also play with the music in between moves..eg walking, turning, eye contact, giving it 'laldy', doing some of your shines as well as giving the follower time?.
Personally IMO as a follower I like this better than a dance just packed with moves. I love to play with the music and strut my attitude. When a leader plays back and you get that connection it like wow!*!*!* you feel you are really dancing when you are interpreting the music.:clap:

[Steven666]

Blumin heck mate I am exhausted just looking at these lol..would like to catch you for a dance if you would like to sometime please, you dance local to me.

Out of interest do you also play with the music in between moves..eg walking, turning, eye contact, giving it 'laldy', doing some of your shines as well as giving the follower time?.
Personally IMO as a follower I like this better than a dance just packed with moves. I love to play with the music and strut my attitude. When a leader plays back and you get that connection it like wow!*!*!* you feel you are really dancing when you are interpreting the music.:clap:

Out of your regular venue I have only been to the freestyles at two of them but keep meaning to try the class night at all of them.

Eye contact. One of the hardest things for me for some reason. I'm just shy yet I try to get better at it. Yet someone who just stares at me throughout does scare me somewhat.

As for the music, I play to it when I recognise what will be coming up. But my dance is predominately move based so may not suit you. But I will give time for your styling if you need it.

And it may be the case that you have already danced with me. Look at my pic in my profile and see if you recognise me.

[rubyred]

Out of your regular venue I have only been to the freestyles at two of them but keep meaning to try the class night at all of them.

Eye contact. One of the hardest things for me for some reason. I'm just shy yet I try to get better at it. Yet someone who just stares at me throughout does scare me somewhat.

As for the music, I play to it when I recognise what will be coming up. But my dance is predominately move based so may not suit you. But I will give time for your styling if you need it.

And it may be the case that you have already danced with me. Look at my pic in my profile and see if you recognise me.

hi Steven666 would be nice to see you at Knutsford one wednesday then, not going myself this week. I have cut down on my MJ to once a week, [I am trying to cultivate me tango bone] and the odd freestyle here and there. I promise not to stare but I will look at you which is different. I look forward to dancing with you and yes you do look familiar but don't recall us dancing. Soon to be remedied I hope.:flower:

[Steven666]

hi Steven666 would be nice to see you at Knutsford one wednesday then, not going myself this week. I have cut down on my MJ to once a week, [I am trying to cultivate me tango bone] and the odd freestyle here and there. I promise not to stare but I will look at you which is different. I look forward to dancing with you and yes you do look familiar but don't recall us dancing. Soon to be remedied I hope.:flower:

I too have cut down a lot as of last night (from 7 nights/week to 2-3 from now on). I will be able to make Bowden on the 13th as Nantwich isn't on that night but I keep meaning to goto knutsford too. Does Chris still do the WCS lesson there?

But now I have said all this I probably won't live up to it. But I'll try my best.

[rubyred]

I too have cut down a lot as of last night (from 7 nights/week to 2-3 from now on). I will be able to make Bowden on the 13th as Nantwich isn't on that night but I keep meaning to goto knutsford too. Does Chris still do the WCS lesson there?

But now I have said all this I probably won't live up to it. But I'll try my best.

Yes Chris still doing WCS and a really good class it is too, although WCS doesn't rock my boat....:blush:. You sound like you are suffering from withdrawal symptoms already, :sick:you'll have to learn other things to with your feet and arms in between or have a gradual cut down and remember the prayer...God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change etc etc.LOL:cheers:

[timbp]

Can I ask the people who say they do "other things" besides their dozen or so moves, what those "other things" are?

Changing the timing of a move to match the music is always good.

Or, does the move you are doing have a position that is the same as that in another move? If so, you can start one move, and transition to another.
Or, what happens if you start a move, then suddenly change the hand you are holding? It will probably not be possible to finish the move you started.

[Steven666]

Changing the timing of a move to match the music is always good.

Or, does the move you are doing have a position that is the same as that in another move? If so, you can start one move, and transition to another.
Or, what happens if you start a move, then suddenly change the hand you are holding? It will probably not be possible to finish the move you started.

I thought that was just standard improvisation. It's how I create a fair few of my moves.

[timbp]

I thought that was just standard improvisation. It's how I create a fair few of my moves.
You're right. It is.

Which just proves the whole question of core moves is irrelevant.

[Steven666]

You're right. It is.

Which just proves the whole question of core moves is irrelevant.

But I disagree. If you only do improvised actions and moves, to me it suggested you just can't remember moves and are just muddling your way through.

[David Bailey]

If you only do improvised actions and moves, to me it suggested you just can't remember moves and are just muddling your way through.
Ah, you have seen my dancing then.

[Martin]

But I disagree. If you only do improvised actions and moves, to me it suggested you just can't remember moves and are just muddling your way through.

I am not sure core moves are irrelevant, I am just not sure what my core moves are, rather like driving, after a while you forget those basic things you always do.

I guess maybe I too just muddle through... coz I often have no clue what I am going to do next, I just listen to the music and my partner and something comes up and fits it.

Some of which I would see as improvised actions.

[David Bailey]

I guess maybe I too just muddle through... coz I often have no clue what I am going to do next, I just listen to the music and my partner and something comes up and fits it.
Pah, you'll never get to be a Good Dancer that way, you know. :na:

[Martin]

Pah, you'll never get to be a Good Dancer that way, you know. :na:


:tears::tears::tears:

[David Bailey]

:tears::tears::tears:
Never mind. :hug:

Hey, if you learn some more moves, you might even, one day, be good enough to do competitions. Obviously you wouldn't win any, but hey, it's something to aim for, isn't it?

David "hammer the joke into the ground" James at your service...

[Steven666]

I guess maybe I too just muddle through... coz I often have no clue what I am going to do next, I just listen to the music and my partner and something comes up and fits it.

Some of which I would see as improvised actions.

I don't always know what I do next purely as I don't need to think ahead at all to keep a dance flowing. It all just happens subconsciously without thought.

I usually only decide what I am doing next as I step back from the previous move or on occasion as I step forward. As for thoughts, I'm usually daydreaming.:blush:

[Martin]

I don't always know what I do next purely as I don't need to think ahead at all to keep a dance flowing. It all just happens subconsciously without thought.

I usually only decide what I am doing next as I step back from the previous move or on occasion as I step forward. As for thoughts, I'm usually daydreaming.:blush:


This indicates that you do not have core moves?

Or have I missed something?

[Steven666]

This indicates that you do not have core moves?

Or have I missed something?

It basically means that I don't need to think in advance to be able to dance a smooth flowing dance. I don't rely too heavy on the same moves time and time and time again, especially in the same dance (maybe bar the manspin but at least I vary that with a double spin or a triple on a good day).

I have a base selection of so many moves then I have many more that I call upon when I feel like it dependant on the music or who I'm dancing with. Yet I try and steer away from the basic in their core format. I like variation.

[David Bailey]

It basically means that I don't need to think in advance to be able to dance a smooth flowing dance. I don't rely too heavy on the same moves time and time and time again, especially in the same dance (maybe bar the manspin but at least I vary that with a double spin or a triple on a good day).

I have a base selection of so many moves then I have many more that I call upon when I feel like it dependant on the music or who I'm dancing with. Yet I try and steer away from the basic in their core format. I like variation.
To be honest, I think you're at the right stage after 3 years or so dancing MJ - and certainly ahead of where I was after I'd had an equivalent amount of experience.

But it sounds like you're not yet fully aware of the whole wide world of technique out there.

Again, it's more than moves.

[MartinHarper]

I don't rely too heavy on the same moves time and time and time again, especially in the same dance.

How do you know this?

[Twirly]

Very out of date (months and months of nightly lessons and doesn't include what I already pre-knew) but this is my list of potention what I can do at any point.

EDIT - The list looks good in excel!!! Oh well. :whistle:

First Move First Move (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Push SpinFirst Move Three StepFirst Move Three Step (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Three Step & Ballroom SpinFirst Move Three Step & Ballroom Spin (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Triple Step & ReverseFirst Move Rocking Sway RepeatFirst Move Rocking Sway Repeat (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Double Turn RepeatFirst Move Double Turn Repeat (Inside Turn Exit)First Move ColumbianFirst Move Columbian (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Columbian SeducerFirst Move Columbian Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)Columbian (With Triple Step And Double Turn Out)First Move SeducerFirst Move Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Double SeducerFirst Move Double Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Inside KicksFirst Move Inside Kicks (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Kicks Repeat (To Face)First Move Kicks Repeat (To Face - Inside Turn Exit)Open First MoveOpen First Move (Inside Turn Exit)Open First Move & Point WalkOpen First Move & Point Walk (Inside Turn Exit)Open First Move & RotateOpen First Move & Rotate (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Change HandsFirst Move ClicksFirst Move Inside Turns & RepeatFirst Move Syncipated WalkFirst Move Syncipated Walk (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Syncipated Walk & Scorpian LungeFirst Move Syncipated Walk & Scorpian Lunge (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Spin (Changing Hands Behind)First Move Scorpion LungeFirst Move Scorpion Lunge (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Arm Grab LungeOpen First Move ManspinFirst Move Pivoting WalkFirst Move Archer SpinOpen First Move Lady Ducking SeducerOpen First Move Lady Ducking Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)First Move Tango SeducerFirst Move Tango Seducer (Inside Turn Exit)PretzelDouble PretzelRepeated PretzelPretzel Spot Turn LeanFalse PretzelContinuous False PretzelAlmost False PretzelAlmost False Pretzel With Mirrored CatapultPreztel Block Walkaround (Slide Exit)Preztel Block Walkaround & C-W ReversePreztel Block Walkaround & AC-W ReverseSide2SideSide2Side & ReverseSide2Side FlamencoNeckbreakNeckbreak RepeatShort KnekbreakShort Knekbreak & WiggleFalse Continued NeckbreakSecret Neckbreak Pull ThroughBack HanderShort Back HanderTravelling ReturnCollect & Rotate (Changing Hands)Collect & RotateTravelling Return Block PassLeg Trailing WalkaroundWrist Lean & SeducerLeft Handed CombLeft Handed Comb (With Return)Left Handed Slow CombLeft Handed Slow Comb (With Return)Left Handed Blind CombManspinManspin (Double Spin)Archer-SpinArcher-Spin & ReverseFigure Of 8Figure Of 8 & LeanFigure Of 8 & Lady's PerogativeStep AcrossStep Across With Both TurningArm Roll & WriggleTurnaroundCatapultCatapult BlocksCatapult ClickRight Catapult Lean & First MoveRight Handed CombRight Handed Slow CombComb PropellerDouble Comb RepeatDouble Comb & Block PassDickinson CombShoulder DropShort Shoulder DropShort Shoulder Drop & Kick Point WalkSlow Shoulder DropReturn Shoulder Drop Click & FlickShoulder Drop Ant TurnLady SpinTravelling Lady SpinLady Spin Around The WorldHalf WindmillWindmillSecret MoveSecret ManhattanSecret Double Handed Slo-CombSecret Swizzle (Both Swizzle)SwayLassu-Sway LeanLassu-Sway SquatSway FlamencoSway Rotation Pull & SpinSway Walks & Kick Stepback Repeated With LeanSway Lassu & WalkaroundYoyoYoyo (Stationary)Lassu-SpinLassu-SpinBackwards Walk Yoyo & SwayYoyo CatapultYoyo SpringerYoyo Changing SpringerYoyo ShoulderdropYoyo Rotation & Hip SpinHatch BackHatch Back (AC-W)Hatch Back (Offer & Swap)Ceroc SpinRight Handed BackpassR-Hand Neckbreak Rotation & CombRuby's TurnTitantic & Travelling Lady SpinDouble Handed Return & HallayullaReturn Zipper Duck UnderReturn Turn In MamboBasketIn Front Basket Sway MamboBasket CaressBasket Into French GirlBasket Into French Girl (Step Under Exit)Basket Caress & Double Comb (Catapult Exit)FriskBasket Man Wrap CatapultBacket Reverse CatapultOctopusOctopullExtended Octopus With Rotation & Flick SpinIn & OutIn & Out (Changing Places)WrapperZipperArm-JiveArm-Jive Push SpinArm-Jive SwizzleHigh Arm Jive & Shoulder Locked Forward CatapultArm-Jive Wrap & Flick SpinArm Jive Archer SpinArm Jive Basket SwingshotCleaverCleaver & Reverse With Body RollsFrench GirlTravelling French Girl Double Turn BasketHalleyuyaHalleyuya Wrist SpinLady's Perogative

Desperately need to update this.


Blumin heck mate I am exhausted just looking at these lol…

:yeah: :what: :respect:

Although, since there’s no punctuation, wouldn’t that count as just one very, very long move? :whistle:

*slinks off to the pedants grammar thread*

[Steven666]

:yeah: :what: :respect:

Although, since there’s no punctuation, wouldn’t that count as just one very, very long move? :whistle:

*slinks off to the pedants grammar thread*

I copied and pasted that from excell where it looked all nice and neat. :wink:


How do you know this?

I have a photographic memory and am very self critical.


To be honest, I think you're at the right stage after 3 years or so dancing MJ - and certainly ahead of where I was after I'd had an equivalent amount of experience.

But it sounds like you're not yet fully aware of the whole wide world of technique out there.

Again, it's more than moves.

I know what your saying and probably should work more on musicallity more than I already do but it's not something I'm overly interested in to be honest unless it's a slow song where I will make a very concious effort.

[MartinHarper]

I have a photographic memory and am very self critical.

Neat. I'm never entirely sure what many moves I use in regular dancing, because I'm thinking about other things. I guess that's why I estimate vague percentages rather than being as specific as you. Kudos.

[jemessex]

just stepping back is core enough for me...anything that happens after that is by luck.....:wink:

[martingold]

just stepping back is core enough for me...anything that happens after that is by luck.....:wink:
living in colchester i can understand that :rofl:
I think most of us essex people are about the same