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senorita
1st-November-2005, 12:15 PM
Thats the one, hey i was trying to be nice and not say the "black" word :blush:
I know you were dee :hug: & I'm the same too. But up to a year ago I got told by some of my close friends whom are black... they said to me "we dont call you white people coloured do we...your not yellow, red or blue are you" They said "we hate it when we are called coloured"

I get called all names because of my skin colour, and upto now I have only really excepted the way I look. For years I have been taken the pee outta of my skin colour...for example "browny poo, yellow spanish omelete, paki, ****ty colour, have a bath dirty" seems funny now....but not when ur a child.

no matter what colour skin you are black, olive, brown, white, its all very beautiful, and all should be very proud of whom they are! Everyone is human (except for me of course,.. I'm a mental alien lol)

Dee you shouldnt feel bad about saying the black word at all..its not rude or bad, its right. I might be wrong here....but it would be nice to have feedback :hug:

LMC
1st-November-2005, 12:30 PM
We describe people by physical appearance all the time - "she's got blonde hair" - "he's tall and thin" - etc. So why not by colour of skin?

When I first started my current job, I was quite conscious of being in an ethnic minority in some areas of London that I visit fairly regularly. Now I don't even notice or think about it most of the time. It's too easy to get "over-sensitive" - political correctness gone experiencing mental health difficulties.

Oh, Halloween...

What is it with trick or treating? :mad: It's semi-legalised begging, and is NOT a British tradition but an American import. Don't kids get enough 'presents' at their birthdays, and other appropriate holidays depending on their culture (usually Easter/Christmas, but it's Diwali this week IIRC :D ). I can just about accept the "tinies" going trick or treating if they are supervised by parents, although encouraging small children to think they can get away with asking for treats from strangers is not a good thing IMO. But large groups of teenagers going around knocking on people's doors is the outside of 'enough' :mad: - and they are hardly going to be satisfied with a few penny sweets, let's face it, they want cash. And some of the horrible "tricks" reported every year are hardly 'fun' for the recipient.

I don't answer the door to anyone on 31 October - in fact, I usually ensure I'm out.

Halloween? It's only been turned into a special occasion with stuff in the shops by August so greedy retailers can flog more cr@p. Bah, humbug.

dee
1st-November-2005, 12:35 PM
I know you were dee :hug: & I'm the same too. But up to a year ago I got told by some of my close friends whom are black... they said to me "we dont call you white people coloured do we...your not yellow, red or blue are you" They said "we hate it when we are called coloured"

I get called all names because of my skin colour, and upto now I have only really excepted the way I look. For years I have been taken the pee outta of my skin colour...for example "browny poo, yellow spanish omelete, paki, ****ty colour, have a bath dirty" seems funny now....but not when ur a child.

no matter what colour skin you are black, olive, brown, white, its all very beautiful, and all should be very proud of whom they are! Everyone is human (except for me of course,.. I'm a mental alien lol)

Dee you shouldnt feel bad about saying the black word at all..its not rude or bad, its right. I might be wrong here....but it would be nice to have feedback :hug:


I know what you mean, i had to sit and think what i wrote for a while as i didn't want to offend anyone :flower: especially a guy i have been friends with for 4 years. If he don't mind being called black then thats fine by me :flower: at least we know which man wittybird was talking about now :rofl: must tell him there is a thread all about his skin colour :rofl:

senorita
1st-November-2005, 12:38 PM
We describe people by physical appearance all the time - "she's got blonde hair" - "he's tall and thin" - etc. So why not by colour of skin?

When I first started my current job, I was quite conscious of being in an ethnic minority in some areas of London that I visit fairly regularly. Now I don't even notice or think about it most of the time. It's too easy to get "over-sensitive" - political correctness gone experiencing mental health difficulties.

Oh, Halloween...

What is it with trick or treating? :mad: It's semi-legalised begging, and is NOT a British tradition but an American import. Don't kids get enough 'presents' at their birthdays, and other appropriate holidays depending on their culture (usually Easter/Christmas, but it's Diwali this week IIRC :D ). I can just about accept the "tinies" going trick or treating if they are supervised by parents, although encouraging small children to think they can get away with asking for treats from strangers is not a good thing IMO. But large groups of teenagers going around knocking on people's doors is the outside of 'enough' :mad: - and they are hardly going to be satisfied with a few penny sweets, let's face it, they want cash. And some of the horrible "tricks" reported every year are hardly 'fun' for the recipient.

I don't answer the door to anyone on 31 October - in fact, I usually ensure I'm out.

Halloween? It's only been turned into a special occasion with stuff in the shops by August so greedy retailers can flog more cr@p. Bah, humbug.


like being more petite.. :whistle: :grin: :o :na:

trick or treat-Yes I agree with the trick or treat...I visited a friend lastnight & her beautiful daughter asked her if she could go trick or treat, her mother said NO. She is 14 years of age & drop dead gorgeous model looks!! can you imagine her knocking on some mental man's door... the way life is nowadays :angry:

senorita
1st-November-2005, 12:40 PM
I know what you mean, i had to sit and think what i wrote for a while as i didn't want to offend anyone :flower: especially a guy i have been friends with for 4 years. If he don't mind being called black then thats fine by me :flower: at least we know which man wittybird was talking about now :rofl: must tell him there is a thread all about his skin colour :rofl:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Dont forget to tell him also that he also gave a birdie the big O on monday night :whistle: :rofl:

David Bailey
1st-November-2005, 01:04 PM
I get called all names because of my skin colour, and upto now I have only really excepted the way I look.
Yes, it's tough being gorgeous, isn't it? :innocent:

Seriously, I find that amazing - if people take the mickey out of how you look, there's absolutely no hope for the rest of us. :tears:

senorita
1st-November-2005, 01:18 PM
Yes, it's tough being gorgeous, isn't it? :innocent:

Seriously, I find that amazing - if people take the mickey out of how you look, there's absolutely no hope for the rest of us. :tears:

wow lovely compliment that is ...I'm taken back...if your after reps.....friggin tough titties...my computer cant give you anymore & u have too many anyway!! actually I could tell u that I was beaten up badly at school for not fitting in with the crowd...one for not being a smoker, two for not being a bad girl, three for not being pretty, and four for the wrong colour skin...I could go on & on....but u will fall asleep....(so violins plz)...make it a latin tune! ;-)

and what is wrong with u youngman?....??
OIC....u wanting sympathy, attention, PM's from ladies, reps (no friggin more reps for you...ur compter is going to blow up), & your just fishing for compliments...yeah I should of know better! lol
Your red carpet is going into the Halloween bonfire!!!!!! ;-)

dee
1st-November-2005, 01:26 PM
Your red carpet is going into the Halloween bonfire!!!!!! ;-)

I'm sure she loves you really David :rofl:

dee
1st-November-2005, 01:27 PM
Yes, it's tough being gorgeous, isn't it? :innocent:
:

Right the wedding is off!!!! anyway i think there only needs to be one DJ :whistle:

stewart38
1st-November-2005, 01:40 PM
Yes black is black

Trick or treat , I only got one person (ok went out cira 7.45 but even so):sad:

No eggs on my car or flower through window

When I lived in Slough , I once gave money to some kids and had loads turning up later :sad:

WittyBird
1st-November-2005, 01:41 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Dont forget to tell him also that he also gave a birdie the big O on monday night :whistle: :rofl:

your not talking about me are you? :whistle:
* ruffles feathers nearly falls off perch *

question is though - why am i standing on a fish?

Lee
1st-November-2005, 01:44 PM
I know you were dee :hug: & I'm the same too. But up to a year ago I got told by some of my close friends whom are black... they said to me "we dont call you white people coloured do we...your not yellow, red or blue are you" They said "we hate it when we are called coloured"

Dee you shouldnt feel bad about saying the black word at all..its not rude or bad, its right. I might be wrong here....but it would be nice to have feedback :hug:

Hi,

I completely agree, a while ago i thought i was being 'PC' by saying 'coloured' but was kindly correct by a black man, who told me he found it offensive and that 'Black' was correct.

I now correct my friends that refer to someone as 'coloured' as they care clearly still in the dark about this issue.

At the end of the day, Black & White are technically not colours anyway, so refering to someone as 'coloured' is actually not logical. :rolleyes:

Lee

senorita
1st-November-2005, 01:46 PM
your not talking about me are you? :whistle:
* ruffles feathers nearly falls off perch *

question is though - why am i standing on a fish?


well...er hmmmmm :whistle: :whistle: :rofl: :rofl:

fish!?....wots that about?

off to get some Fish :rofl: & chips...lunchtime now! lol

WittyBird
1st-November-2005, 01:55 PM
well...er hmmmmm :whistle: :whistle: :rofl: :rofl:

fish!?....wots that about?
There is always one :rofl:
can't type too busy rolling on floor laughing my ass off :rolleyes:

Lynn
1st-November-2005, 01:59 PM
well...er hmmmmm :whistle: :whistle: :rofl: :rofl:

fish!?....wots that about?

off to get some Fish :rofl: & chips...lunchtime now! lolI'm hungry now!

I would say 'black' and 'white'. Looking for an alternative to saying 'black' can indicate that you think black is negative term and it isn't.

Off for lunch now...(must resist going to a chippy!)

senorita
1st-November-2005, 02:01 PM
There is always one :rofl:
can't type too busy rolling on floor laughing my ass off :rolleyes:

cant type :rofl: as too busy trying to eat my fish :rofl: ...plus give u some rep's :grin: but my computer keeps crashing...:confused: so maybe its trying to tell me something :whistle:

dee
1st-November-2005, 02:01 PM
question is though - why am i standing on a fish?

Yeah Witty why do we need to disguss your underwear? this was a great thead before you started lowering the tone :rofl:

senorita
1st-November-2005, 02:03 PM
I'm hungry now!

I would say 'black' and 'white'. Looking for an alternative to saying 'black' can indicate that you think black is negative term and it isn't.

Off for lunch now...(must resist going to a chippy!)

ok whitey :nice: see you in the chippy :whistle:
can I recommend white cod or haddock :whistle:

dee
1st-November-2005, 02:03 PM
too busy trying to eat my fish :rofl: ...e:


:eek: some people have all the luck :innocent:

Lory
1st-November-2005, 02:03 PM
I don't answer the door to anyone on 31 October - in fact, I usually ensure I'm out.

Halloween? It's only been turned into a special occasion with stuff in the shops by August so greedy retailers can flog more cr@p. Bah, humbug.
Meany!:rolleyes: :wink:

I bought a fivers worth of sweets, stuck them in a specially made silky pumkin dish and thoroughly enjoyed having a laugh with all the kids who knocked. :cheers:

All the little one's were escorted by parents or teenagers.. ;)

And they looked 'absolutely horrible'! :eek: :sick: a fact they took great delight in, when I told them so.:wink:

I think we had at least ten groups and every single kid was polite and curtious..:worthy: :hug:

I might have formed this opinion, cos I'm a Mum, who over the years has spent many a joyful hour, making my own kids and their friends into ghouls, witches or little devils!:na:

Any excuse for the kids to have a bit of harmless fun, is OK with me:clap:


In saying that, I think OAP's or disabled folk should be allowed to put a note on the door, for the kids not to disturb them! ;)

Lynn
1st-November-2005, 02:13 PM
Didn't get any trick or treaters round the doors last night, though was out for part of the evening. Usually the neighbouring children call and they get sweets.

A few years ago I didn't answer the door (can't remember why) - and the following week my cast iron gate was 'stolen' - found it in a neighbours garden a day or so later. So I guess that was the 'trick' because I didn't answer the door and give them any treats. I wasn't amused. :mad:

senorita
1st-November-2005, 03:30 PM
I'm sure she loves you really David :rofl:


Everybody loves him :hug: :flower:

David Bailey
1st-November-2005, 03:49 PM
In saying that, I think OAP's or disabled folk should be allowed to put a note on the door, for the kids not to disturb them! ;)
Around our street, the code is the inverse - if you've got a pumpkin on your window-sill or sitting somewhere prominent, you're trick-or-treatable (or "family-friendly").

Is that common elsewhere? I think it's a pretty good idea myself.

Gus
1st-November-2005, 05:56 PM
But up to a year ago I got told by some of my close friends whom are black... they said to me "we dont call you white people coloured do we...your not yellow, red or blue are you" They said "we hate it when we are called coloured"I find it intersting that someone of another 'ethnic' background actualy prefers to be called black. My Mum is Jamaican, but with no african bloodline, so she's lighter skinned ... with all this PC cr*p in public I have to call her 'black' though to me she's 'coloured'. I've now got to refer to myself as having 'dual-heritage' wheras I've always considered myslef to be half-caste (or double-caste if I was in a more creative mood).

Its funny that I've spent most of my formative years joking about sending my Mum 'back' on a bannana boat ... if I said that in public now I'd get arrested.:eek: PS ... she didnt actualy come across in a bannana boat, she arrived in a little more style, The Queen Mary!:waycool:

Chicklet
1st-November-2005, 06:25 PM
when I was wee I always thought the use of the word "coloured" came from the same root as "colourful" and was therefore a warm, complimentary, "vive les differences" term..... but then I was still doing lego age 12:innocent: .... American Dept of Defence High School 3000 miles from these shores "cured" me of these, and other childhood delights.:tears:

edit to add in the point DOH!

I was taught that it wasn't so much the word "colored" that (some of)50s and 60s America wanted to distance itself from - more the oft seen sign "no coloured"

Blues Dancer
1st-November-2005, 06:36 PM
[deleted because it wasn't really that funny!]

Lynn
1st-November-2005, 07:15 PM
Around our street, the code is the inverse - if you've got a pumpkin on your window-sill or sitting somewhere prominent, you're trick-or-treatable (or "family-friendly").

Is that common elsewhere? I think it's a pretty good idea myself.Sounds like a good idea to me. Old people esp, as Lory mentioned, can be wary of opening their door to strangers (sadly with good reason sometimes). Calling at someone's house can be very intrusive, especially if the person is ill.

I really don't like 'trick or treat' - doing something in retaliation if they don't get their 'treat' is not a good thing for children to be learning!

dee
1st-November-2005, 08:25 PM
sorry i dont know whats happening to my comp AAAAAHHHHH

dee
1st-November-2005, 08:31 PM
What has happened to this thread????

its gone from Re Halloween parties to Re Black isn't coloured is it two threads in one?? :confused:

Thought it was my comp at first as i have been having problems with it today

Lynn
1st-November-2005, 11:19 PM
What has happened to this thread????

its gone from Re Halloween parties to Re Black isn't coloured is it two threads in one?? :confused: Yep. Its multi-tasking.

jivecat
2nd-November-2005, 01:41 AM
Halloween? It's only been turned into a special occasion with stuff in the shops by August so greedy retailers can flog more cr@p. Bah, humbug.

Er, no. My sisters and I always used to have a brilliant time at Hallowe'en years ago long before it was commercialised by the shops. We used to dress up as ghosts and witches, do apple-bobbing, hollow out turnips 'cos there were no pumpkins in Wales, make up our own Satanic rituals and prance about totally unsupervised with lighted candles. We didn't do trick-or-treating, that is an American import and it wouldn't have been very practicable because we lived on a farm miles fom civilisation. We would have loved to do it if it we'd had the chance though. I can't remember how we knew this was the sort of thing to do at Hallowe'en - I guess comics might have been a source of information, we didn't have a television until I was about 8.

I had a wonderful time yesterday face-painting my niece and taking her out trick-or-treating which she has been desperate to do but her mother wouldn't let her. We only went to friends and sympathetic neighbours' houses and they were clearly delighted to take part in a bit of harmless fun. You'd have to be bit miserable to deprive the poor innocent kiddies of a few sweets.

However, Christmas. Don't get me started. Ban this madness NOW......

bigdjiver
2nd-November-2005, 02:09 AM
We had an Asian lady knock on our door. She said that she had had several trick-or-treaters begging things off of her, and she had decided to try and get even. :confused: My son, who answered the door, gave her a packet of crisps "for her shop" he said.:devil:

senorita
2nd-November-2005, 09:18 AM
I find it intersting that someone of another 'ethnic' background actualy prefers to be called black. My Mum is Jamaican, but with no african bloodline, so she's lighter skinned ... with all this PC cr*p in public I have to call her 'black' though to me she's 'coloured'. I've now got to refer to myself as having 'dual-heritage' wheras I've always considered myslef to be half-caste (or double-caste if I was in a more creative mood).

Its funny that I've spent most of my formative years joking about sending my Mum 'back' on a bannana boat ... if I said that in public now I'd get arrested.:eek: PS ... she didnt actualy come across in a bannana boat, she arrived in a little more style, The Queen Mary!:waycool:

hmmm the Queen Mary....your mum has got class!!

I used to call people that too.. (half cast), ...but got told off for that too...& was corrected to say mixed race....so now I say mixed race. ;-)
If you think about it their your not split in half down the middle I hope...nor I hope you were made from a cast.

x

Missy D
2nd-November-2005, 09:45 AM
I know you were dee :hug: & I'm the same too. But up to a year ago I got told by some of my close friends whom are black... they said to me "we dont call you white people coloured do we...your not yellow, red or blue are you" They said "we hate it when we are called coloured"


Dee you shouldnt feel bad about saying the black word at all..its not rude or bad, its right. I might be wrong here....but it would be nice to have feedback :hug:

Me and Dee grew up in a town where the majority at school were black. If we were to even mention the word black ie:- blackboard we would get called rascist. I never know what to say not to offend anyones race or colour. Some black people hate to be called black and some hate to be called coloured. With all this 'political correctness' around seems you cant say anything right without offending someone.

Anyone want to start a thread about political correctness? I am sure it will be a long one especially if you have children still at school these days..

jivecat
2nd-November-2005, 10:41 AM
Me and Dee grew up in a town where the majority at school were black. If we were to even mention the word black ie:- blackboard we would get called rascist. I never know what to say not to offend anyones race or colour. Some black people hate to be called black and some hate to be called coloured. With all this 'political correctness' around seems you cant say anything right without offending someone.

Anyone want to start a thread about political correctness? I am sure it will be a long one especially if you have children still at school these days..

Having read the horrifying comments by Senorita and others about name-calling as they grew up it's arguable that political correctness hasn't had much impact yet on entrenched attitudes. Is that an argument for ditching it or stepping it up?

As a teacher in a working-class, predominantly white school I was aware of racist attitudes amongst the parents as well as the children. Having moved to a "respectable" middle-class school I thought there wouldn't be the same degree of racism, but I was wrong.......people just keep more quiet about it. But the kids (who don't know what's politically correct) have said some really surprising things about race.

Sorry to have contributed to the derailing of an interesting thread with inconsequential chatter about Hallowe'en, BTW. For a while back there it sounded like us whiteys were talking amongst ourselves in a desperate bid to ignore some unpleasant truths about the experiences of non-whites in Britain - or is this just the way it came over?

"Non-white" - bl**dy h*ll, it's going from bad to worse, that has to be a more offensive term than "coloured" or "black".

Zuhal
2nd-November-2005, 10:56 AM
I sometimes attend a class that is taught by an excellent fellow who happens to have dark skin. He normally wears black trousers, black shirt, black shoes and demonstrates dance steps against a dark dance floor.

After I suggested fluorescent cycle clips or lighter clothing he revised his outfit.
When I relayed this story to an Asian aquaintance, without me thinking that she was anything except another human being, she accused me of being racist.

Zuhal

David Bailey
2nd-November-2005, 11:05 AM
Sorry to have contributed to the derailing of an interesting thread with inconsequential chatter about Hallowe'en, BTW. For a while back there it sounded like us whiteys were talking amongst ourselves in a desperate bid to ignore some unpleasant truths about the experiences of non-whites in Britain - or is this just the way it came over?
Hah! Hardly, thread derailing happens naturally in the forum - in this case, LMC happened to be the culprit. Bad LMC. :mad:

(No, I had nothing to do with any derailment collaboration, honest :whistle: )

I guess we should have split it into "Halloween" and "Black isn't coloured" threads - maybe we should now, but it seems not worth it.

I'll ty and wrench it back on-target.

I do hesitate using skin colour when I'm trying to describe someone - which, yes, it's silly, because that's clearly an important physical characteristic of that person, like their height / weight / hair colour etc.

But skin colour is such a loaded and emotive thing, even using it in as a plain and simple description tends to lead you into vocabulary minefields - as we've seen in this thread.

I vaguely recall seeing something on these lines in a previous thread somewhere; a brief search didn't turn it up though... Martin, help!

senorita
2nd-November-2005, 11:09 AM
Sorry to have contributed to the derailing of an interesting thread with inconsequential chatter about Hallowe'en, BTW. For a while back there it sounded like us whiteys were talking amongst ourselves in a desperate bid to ignore some unpleasant truths about the experiences of non-whites in Britain - or is this just the way it came over?

You carry on changing the conversation & nattering away bout Halloween...dont mind me lol rofl ;-)

David Bailey
2nd-November-2005, 11:18 AM
I sometimes attend a class that is taught by an excellent fellow who happens to have dark skin. He normally wears black trousers, black shirt, black shoes and demonstrates dance steps against a dark dance floor.
:rofl: There's a Douglas Adams quote there, isn't there?

Once when I demo'd, both of us (both white) turned up wearing all-black; again, we were against a black background, and we got complaints that people couldn't see us. So I think the clothing here is more important than the skin colour.

Lynn
2nd-November-2005, 12:20 PM
But skin colour is such a loaded and emotive thing, even using it in as a plain and simple description tends to lead you into vocabulary minefields - as we've seen in this thread. Its the attitudes that some people have that is the real problem, and the vocabulary that has come to represent those attitudes. Someone can be perfectly PC, use all the right terms, but still have racist attitudes.

Gus
2nd-November-2005, 06:52 PM
Its the attitudes that some people have that is the real problem, and the vocabulary that has come to represent those attitudes. Someone can be perfectly PC, use all the right terms, but still have racist attitudes.OK ... time to get flamed again .....:rolleyes:

I find all this talk about racisim in the UK hysterical. YES ... we do have an issue .. and yes the scum like the NF and other infrained attitudes still prevade :( BUT .... I have found some 'ethinic' majorities to be FAR MORE racist. Want to see racisim ... listen to the opinions of some West Indians about the Asian business in Jamaica ... listen to an Indian express his views on his Pakistani neighbours v.... yet in the UK we have to change our language and customs to take account of the feelings of immigrants????:mad: :mad:

I get sick of PC middle-class bleeding heart liberals who have NO IDEA what race relations are, the real challenges that there are, nor what is actualy happening out on the street. Sorry, but just read that Christmas is now being banned because of Muslim feelings ... Who the h*ll is the minority in the UK now?:angry:

ShinyWeeStar
2nd-November-2005, 07:02 PM
Sorry, but just read that Christmas is now being banned because of Muslim feelings ... Who the h*ll is the minority in the UK now? :angry:

:yeah:

dee
2nd-November-2005, 07:06 PM
I get sick of PC middle-class bleeding heart liberals who have NO IDEA what race relations are, the real challenges that there are, nor what is actualy happening out on the street. Sorry, but just read that Christmas is now being banned because of Muslim feelings ... Who the h*ll is the minority in the UK now?:angry:

Also makes me cross that at my daughters school they can no longer have the old christmas traditional nativity scene as no one is sure if jesus was black or white, plus they can no longer sing "Baa Baa Black sheep" as that too is racist. What is this world coming too :angry:

RogerR
2nd-November-2005, 11:21 PM
OK ... time to get flamed again .....:rolleyes:

BUT .... I have found some 'ethinic' majorities to be FAR MORE racist. Want to see racisim ..:

In the london borough of newham where white brits are an ethnic minority according to the 2001 census. If a muslim and a siehk romance people will be killed to avenge the dishonour brought on the families. There have been three Honour Killings in the three years I've been driving an ambulance in the area.

Oh and we have a Beauty parlour that is for "WOMEN OF COLOUR ONLY"

ChrisA
2nd-November-2005, 11:43 PM
Sorry, but just read that Christmas is now being banned because of Muslim feelings ... Who the h*ll is the minority in the UK now?:angry:
Actually, you're wrong, Gus.

It's being banned mostly because of ****wit white caucasians whose view of what Muslims and other non-Christians think is as related to reality as something very unrelated to reality indeed, who have some bizarre fantasy about what constitutes racial harmony.

Ordinary Muslims and Jews, as far as I've heard them express their opinions, tend to be as understanding and respectful of the indigenous traditions as the rest of us think they ought to be.

Gus
2nd-November-2005, 11:49 PM
Real Muslims and Jews tend to be as understanding and respectful of the indigenous traditions as the rest of us think they ought to be.Define 'real'. And out of interest, how many 'religious' Jews and Muslims do you know? Here's an idea for a wake up call ... chat to some teachers from 'white-minority' areas and find out just how accomodating the views of some of our brethern are.

ChrisA
2nd-November-2005, 11:52 PM
Define 'real'. And out of interest, how many 'religious' Jews and Muslims do you know? Here's an idea for a wake up call ... chat to some teachers from 'white-minority' areas and find out just how accomodating the views of some of our brethern are.
Yeah well, I've edited to reflect my limited experience.

But you think the Council "operatives" coming up with these ludicrous "policies" reflect the opinions of ordinary people?

The extremists from any religion would always have you think they represent the norm, but they don't.

ChrisA
2nd-November-2005, 11:57 PM
how many 'religious' Jews and Muslims do you know?
"Religious"?

Or "Extremist"? Some might say "Fundamentalist" or even "Fascist".

It's an important difference.

I have no time for any organised religion. But I've learned enough in my travels not to equate genuine, sincere, religious people, with the lunatics that get the headlines.

Gus
3rd-November-2005, 12:00 AM
The extremists from any religion would always have you think they represent the norm, but they don't.Absolutely. Good point well made! :waycool:

Baruch
3rd-November-2005, 10:45 PM
Sorry, but just read that Christmas is now being banned because of Muslim feelings ... Who the h*ll is the minority in the UK now?:angry:
The stupid thing is that it's probably not Muslims who decided that.

I think this is just political correctness gone mad. Mutual respect would be far better, and that includes respect for religious/cultural traditions like Christmas. I respect the right of people of other religions to celebrate their own festivals, and even to do so publicly. I would expect that same courtesy in return. I even respect people's right to have no religion, but again, I expect the same courtesy in return. As a practising Christian, I would see banning Christmas celebrations as discrimination against my religion, and as a Welshman, I would see it as discrimination against my culture. Thankfully, however, it hasn't happened here yet.

Dreadful Scathe
3rd-November-2005, 11:26 PM
Oh and we have a Beauty parlour that is for "WOMEN OF COLOUR ONLY"

Seriously ? I wonder what would happen if a Beauty Parlour in another street had a "Whites Only" sign :eek:


Mutual respect would be far better

Absolutely - wouldnt it be nice if we had one society and not a mish-mash of different cultural and religious socities...etc.. in some places segragation is ridiculous. "Them and Us" is something that belongs in the last century. Its not as simple as "white vs asian" or "christian vs muslim" heres a news story (http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/jun/13uk.htm) about what some muslims are like with hindus. The less a group of people mix with other groups the less likely they are to have their more bigoted opinions watered down.

The new Racial and Religious Hated Bill (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4075442.stm) is quite risky as it highlights a difference - surely it is already illegal to threaten a group of people ? Once you have a law like this is it then easier for a group to claim that a particular book e.g. the Satanic Verses, was an incitement ?

no time to make this make sense - back tomorrow :)

stewart38
4th-November-2005, 02:56 PM
OK ... time to get flamed again .....:rolleyes:

I find all this talk about racisim in the UK hysterical. YES ... we do have an issue .. and yes the scum like the NF and other infrained attitudes still prevade :( BUT .... I have found some 'ethinic' majorities to be FAR MORE racist. Want to see racisim ... listen to the opinions of some West Indians about the Asian business in Jamaica ... listen to an Indian express his views on his Pakistani neighbours v.... yet in the UK we have to change our language and customs to take account of the feelings of immigrants????:mad: :mad:

I get sick of PC middle-class bleeding heart liberals who have NO IDEA what race relations are, the real challenges that there are, nor what is actualy happening out on the street. Sorry, but just read that Christmas is now being banned because of Muslim feelings ... Who the h*ll is the minority in the UK now?:angry:


We just calling them winter lights not christmas lights :sad:

clevedonboy
4th-November-2005, 03:30 PM
Golly! haven't read this thread just the last bit. I'd like to make a request - please don't believe anything that the Dail Mail or Express print.

"Banks ban Piggy Banks"
"Council bans cuddly pigs"
"Inland Revenue Officiers not allowed to collect for Christian Charities"
"Now they're banning Christ" (as in no longer using BC / AD)

I'm sorry but I just don't have any faith in such stories - especially when they appear day after day as part of an "Express Crusade" they're just pandering to people's fears to boost circulation.

Let's get this straight - Muslims do not want Christians to not celebrate Christmas. What evidence do i have - well you can start with the Muslim faith which acknowledges Jesus as a Prophet & then of course you can see what happens in Bethlehem on December 24 when Palestinian leaders will attend Mass.

If some jumped up nutter in a middle management position at a council or charity says something daft, it will end up in the right wing press but does anyone really believe that people of other faiths have nothing better to do than fret over christmas lights? Of course not.

Storms in teacups (along with straight bananas & banning of sausages) designed to pander to xenophobic little englanders

Msfab
4th-November-2005, 03:41 PM
Let's get this straight - Muslims do not want Christians to not celebrate Christmas. What evidence do i have - well you can start with the Muslim faith which acknowledges Jesus as a Prophet & then of course you can see what happens in Bethlehem on December 24 when Palestinian leaders will attend Mass.

There are days of celebration in and around Bethlehem for the Christmas. There seems to be the idea that all Palestinian and arabs are muslim and therefore anti Christian. Palestinian leader/officials are only allowed to attend mass if they have been given permission by the israeli army, and one year it was nearly all cancelled!!!

(I'm a Pround Palestinian)

stewart38
4th-November-2005, 04:04 PM
Golly! haven't read this thread just the last bit. I'd like to make a request - please don't believe anything that the Dail Mail or Express print.

"Banks ban Piggy Banks"
"Council bans cuddly pigs"
"Inland Revenue Officiers not allowed to collect for Christian Charities"
"Now they're banning Christ" (as in no longer using BC / AD)





In todays Daily Mail we have

pg 5.. children of 5 to be taught about gay life styles

pg 8.. warning to rioters as Paris burns (note its all of Paris that is burning)

p13 ..Ofsted's offices get wall paper at £1,100 a roll while my school is left crumbling

pg 34 Thugs laugh at asbo their 'honour badge'

pg 35... War hero aged 84 told : Prove you belong to this country

ok ill find another paper :sad:

Baruch
4th-November-2005, 11:41 PM
Let's get this straight - Muslims do not want Christians to not celebrate Christmas.
True. The problem is that there are too many "politically correct" white British people in public office or influential position who think Muslims probably, maybe, might be offended by public celebrations of a broadly Christian nature.

What we have, then, isn't a clash of faiths. It's just political correctness gone loopy. :mad:

Lynn
5th-November-2005, 05:11 PM
What we have, then, isn't a clash of faiths. It's just political correctness gone loopy. :mad: :yeah:

And its not conducive to harmonious relationships. :mad: It only stirs up resentment and bad feeling. It is the opposite of mutal respect and tolerance of one another's different cultures, which is the only real way forward.

Baruch
5th-November-2005, 09:06 PM
It is the opposite of mutal respect and tolerance of one another's different cultures, which is the only real way forward.
You said it.

It seems that the politically correct definition of religious tolerance is: "Respect for and celebration of all religions.... oh, except Christianity." :mad:

ducasi
5th-November-2005, 10:52 PM
Perhaps the thinking goes something like this...

Council bod 1: "Hey, it's Christmas, we've got to put up our Christmas lights!!! :nice:"
Council bod 2: "Hang on, haven't we forgotten to celebrate all the other religious festivals of all the other religions we are supposed to respect and treat equally?? :eek:"
1: "Sh*t, you're right! :what:"
2: "I know... What if we do the normal Christmas lights, but we call them holiday lights??? :wink:"
1: "I think you've got it, and who's going to complain!? :D"
2: "Sorted. Fancy a pint then? :cheers:"

Never put down to malice that which can be better explained by stupidity.

David Bailey
6th-November-2005, 11:00 AM
Perhaps the thinking goes something like this...

{snip conversation}
:rofl: That's so believable.

Although this "There's no Christmas, it's just a 'holiday', OK?" thing is common in the US, isn't it? - maybe that's where it came from...

Dreadful Scathe
6th-November-2005, 11:56 AM
I think we copy way to much from the US - trick or treat, happy holidays ? whats going on ? :) My view is that 'Christmas' is the name of a Winter Holiday, it used to be called something else and in the future its name may change again, the world changes and the names of things change too. The name is irrelevant to the majority of people as they already know why they do/do not celebrate it.