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Lindsay
6th-October-2005, 12:06 AM
We need a WCS thread here surely.... :cool:

There is a new UK West Coast Swing site if anyone's interested, it's run by Catriona Wiles - http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk

MartinHarper
6th-October-2005, 01:13 AM
There's no option for "tried it, meh".
I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yes, the best WCS dancers look stunning, but I reckon that's because they're great dancers, not because of the dance.
I reckon I need some more classes before I can appreciate it. So, going to http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk ...


This website is designed to be the "one stop shop" for all information pertaining to West Coast Swing throughout the UK.

... and it goes on to mention one weekly class, two one day events... and that's it - "throughout the UK". Is WCS dying or something?

Anna
6th-October-2005, 04:53 AM
WCS is yummy :drool:

We have a fab WCS teacher here too, Louisa, she's magical.

DavidB
6th-October-2005, 09:33 AM
I reckon I need some more classes before I can appreciate it. So, going to http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk ...
... and it goes on to mention one weekly class, two one day events... and that's it - "throughout the UK". Is WCS dying or something?
I looked at the same web-site and found details on 6 weekly classes, venues including Bristol, London, Oxford, Cheshire and Edinburgh, a series of regular monthly workshops, and 2 other workshops. Like many other dance website run by teachers/promoters, it gives prominence to her own classes, and mentions other venues on the 'Links' page.

WCS is definitely not for everyone. Neither is Modern Jive, or Lindy for that matter. Some people don't like the music, others don't like the technique. Perhaps the most frequent reason from experienced dancers is the idea of going back to being a beginner again. However there are more people regularly dancing WCS in the UK now than there ever was in the past.

David

Brady
6th-October-2005, 09:35 AM
There's no option for "tried it, meh".
I don't see what all the fuss is about.

WCS is an extremely stylish dance which is open to loads of interpretation by both the lead and follow, much more so than many other styles. It can be danced to a variety of music types, and shows extreme control in moving your body.


Yes, the best WCS dancers look stunning, but I reckon that's because they're great dancers, not because of the dance.
I reckon I need some more classes before I can appreciate it. So, going to http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk ...

Not so sure about this. Southport this past June was a great example. A couple of evening cabaret performances by all equally good dancers, but which got the biggest applause, screams, etc. If I remember right it was Tatiana & Jordan with their amazing WCS routine.


... and it goes on to mention one weekly class, two one day events... and that's it - "throughout the UK". Is WCS dying or something?

WCS is not dying at all! A couple years ago there was very little WCS and now we have world professionals visiting the UK on a regular basis along with several venues designated strictly as WCS. WCS is a challenge to most of the general MJ dancers, so it will take time for them to get to grips with the basics, but I reckon once they have the basics and see what they can do with the dance most will be hooked.

Brady

Almost an Angel
6th-October-2005, 09:40 AM
... and it goes on to mention one weekly class, two one day events... and that's it - "throughout the UK". Is WCS dying or something?

Nope WCS is definately on the up in the UK.:clap:

Paul Warden teaches at Oxford on a Monday, Farnham on a Tuesday and Surbiton on a Friday as well as running monthly Sunday workshops at Bisley.

So with Cat running Wednesday's at Hammersmith and hopefully some more T dances (please as I couldn't make the last one!!!) as well as workshops, I'd say it's definately on the up. :waycool:

Also Angie puts out a WCS Newsletter that includes all details of WCS classes etc (not just restricted to the London area) She can normally be found at Hammersmith or Surbiton but if you don't know her please PM me if you would like to be added to her mailing list. (we love Angie :hug: )

Angel xx

Chef
6th-October-2005, 10:26 AM
Well I guess there was a point where Modern Jive didn't exist in the UK and look where it is now.

I have nibbled at WCS for a while now with taster classes at weekenders and workshops at Bisley but the lack of regularity of that approach meant that I never got the dance "in my bones". The excellent course of 6 lessons that Cat gave at Beach Boogie sorted that out and really made me want to go to regular classes.

Being in the wilds of Kent and feeling like I have to commute to West London for almost everything out of the ordinary I was resigning myself to the idea of having another dance style to add to my list of things to commute for.

Fortunately a local (to kent) organiser has sorted something out and now Cat will be teaching at Dartford every thursday from the new year. Yay!

If you have been dancing for sometime then it is never fun being at the bottom of the learning curve again when learning a new dance. You have to have a darn good motivation to put yourself through that pain (it is even worse when learning the 10 dances of ballroom and latin). For me, that motivation is the smoothness of the dance, being able to utilise a wider range of music, the ability of the woman to take over the lead,...the list could go on.

At present I feel that WCS is growing but has not yet achieved some degree of "critical mass". I don't know if it ever will but I still think it is a dance that can feel and look both graceful and exciting.

So many things I want to do and only one lifetime to fit them all in.

Lynn
6th-October-2005, 10:34 AM
I had done one or two 'taster' classes at weekenders and never really got 'into' it. I then did 2 classes 2 days in a row at Southport and that seems to have been enough to get me very interested. Alas, no classes in NI so its never going to be anything I get very far with, but I would love to learn it and will take any opportunities that I do get to do so.

Chicklet
6th-October-2005, 10:43 AM
I have tried it a few times and loved it.
The thing that I particularly liked about it was the "ooze" element but it is beyond me to describe that in words to anyone who doesn't feel it instantly.
There's a scene in GI Blues where Elvis is romancin Juliet Prowse, herself a wonderful show dancer, where a German squeezebox band are playing a traditional song in traditional style and she asks him how he likes the music and he makes a face and says it don't ooze, Juliet says "was is dis ooze" so he grabs a gitar (sic) and turns it into "Tonight's All Right for Love" and there we have "ooze".

It's the lazy element I think, WCS lends itself to dancing off the end of a beat, which means more control and emersion in the music than many MJ dancers currently enjoy...IMHO, the ability to hear this and act on it is what will make WCS work so well and feel so good, but don't know if this is teachable, might be something that people have the ability to do or don't have the ability to do, and the teaching just brings it to the fore if it's there already?

Anyone with me?
Or is this just in my head?

clevedonboy
6th-October-2005, 12:00 PM
I looked at the same web-site and found details on 6 weekly classes, venues including Bristol, London, Oxford, Cheshire and Edinburgh, a series of regular monthly workshops, and 2 other workshops. Like many other dance website run by teachers/promoters, it gives prominence to her own classes, and mentions other venues on the 'Links' page.

David

can't see Bristol .... :tears:

if anyone can please let me know

Icey
6th-October-2005, 12:11 PM
Ohhh, really interested in the Wednesday night WCS class at Kent House. Is the beginners class for real beginners - those that have not tried it before, not even a taster at a weekend beginner?

Wouldn't want to make an **** of myself and turn up at the wrong class. Does anyone else go there?

Tessalicious
6th-October-2005, 12:21 PM
Ohhh, really interested in the Wednesday night WCS class at Kent House. Is the beginners class for real beginners - those that have not tried it before, not even a taster at a weekend beginner?

Wouldn't want to make an **** of myself and turn up at the wrong class. Does anyone else go there?Yes, it is possible to come as a complete beginner to this class. Cat does try to vary the beginner's class a bit each week, so that the non beginners who still come don't get bored, but there are still a lot of basic patterns and techniques covered each time. Come along, don't be scared, we're all very friendly and don't bite (unless you ask nicely).:hug:

spindr
6th-October-2005, 12:46 PM
:devil: Is there any point in learning WCS, as so few people dance it?

Compare the set of WCS classes (http://www.afterfive.co.uk/maps/WestCoastSwing-links.html) to the set of modern jive classes (http://www.afterfive.co.uk/maps/?Jive-links.html)? :devil:

Of course, I could be missing some -- so sign me up for the newsletter

The Bristol forum mentioned http://www.crazygang.biz as having a WCS (one off?) class soon.

SpinDr

Almost an Angel
6th-October-2005, 01:14 PM
can't see Bristol .... :tears:

if anyone can please let me know

Copied out of Angie's WCS October Newsletter: (Thank you Angie:hug: )

Sunday 16th October
SUK Beginners Workshop in Bristol

West Coast Swing. Join Us For This 3 Hour Workshop.
WCS can be danced to a varied range of Music from Blues to Country, from
Soul to Pop, making it one of the most versatile of couples dance forms.

1. Will involve a combination of basic 6 count patterns.
2. Easy & Fun dance patterns.
3. Basic technique, lead & follow.

Come along & bring your partner or friends. Find out more about the dance
team and socials. You don¹t want to miss this one.
Sunday 16th Oct 05. time: 12pm - 3pm. Cost: £20.00 couple - £12 single
Venue: Scotch Horn Community Center, Brockway Road, Nailsea, Bristol, BS48
B1Z

Sign up Now for your Sunday Pass to avoid disappointment
online at http://www.crazygang.biz/
tel: 07796 140205
email: chrisadams266@hotmail.com


Hope that helps

Angel xxx

Dave Hancock
6th-October-2005, 01:53 PM
:devil: Is there any point in learning WCS, as so few people dance it?


If everyone took this attitude, then I don't think anybody in the UK would be dancing anything apart from traditional folk dances and perhaps ballroom.

While it may not be for everyone, there certainly seems to be a growing number of people in the UK dancing it and it may be worth jumping on the bandwagon early to get a wee head start.

I absolutely love it and can't wait till January as a few of us are heading across the pond to learn a bit more and dance it for a week:clap: :clap:

ChrisA
6th-October-2005, 02:15 PM
WCS is definitely not for everyone. Neither is Modern Jive, or Lindy for that matter. Some people don't like the music, others don't like the technique. Perhaps the most frequent reason from experienced dancers is the idea of going back to being a beginner again.
Would any of the people voting "tried it, don't like it" care to pop in and say why they didn't like it?

Sheepman
6th-October-2005, 02:32 PM
The thing that I particularly liked about it was the "ooze" element but it is beyond me to describe that in words to anyone who doesn't feel it instantly. I think you did a pretty good job of describing it! But I would say don't expect to feel this instantly, because I don't think it can really come until you've got the basics mastered, and you're not worrying about footwork, compression, tension, what you're leading, etc..

After some years of doing WCS, it is still rare that I really hit that high of being able to freestyle without conscious thought, and it just being the music that's in control, but when that happens, it's more than just oozing! :drool:

Greg

frodo
6th-October-2005, 07:51 PM
Would any of the people voting "tried it, don't like it" care to pop in and say why they didn't like it?

Perhaps there should be a "Like it" option.

There's nothing between don't like it and love it.

Mary
6th-October-2005, 08:01 PM
WCS rocks!:clap:

But how many years do I have to do it before I don't feel like a beginner anymore :tears:

Seriously, there are more and more people who are getting to grips with this luscious dance style, and so more and more occasions when you get a dance that just begins to 'hit the spot'. Those occasions when you feel it instead of think it. :drool:

M

Paul F
6th-October-2005, 08:28 PM
Well I just have to echo the positive vibes mentioned so far.

When I first saw WCS I knew I just had to take it up. :drool:

Living in Woking I seem to be at the epicentre of WCS. I am so lucky I feel guilty :blush:

Of course it isnt as big as MJ, for example. The comparison is totally void but I believe the potential of it is greater than any other style around today. It has so many appealing elements - the music, the lady focus, the grounded nature of the patterns and the fact that it is leadable (the singular most important point in my book).

I just wish more people had access to it. Maybe one day :rolleyes: :nice:

Cruella
6th-October-2005, 08:32 PM
The first time i saw Paul warden dance WCS i was hooked. His musical interpretation is so cool! I travelled once a month to do his Workshops for a few months with JiveP. But just as i felt i was getting the hang of it JiveP went and got a new job so couldn't commit to the regular workshops anymore.:tears: As it is 2 hours to the nearest lessons it's not feasible for me to travel there unless i have a regular partner to practice it with. I have got very stale as i don't get the opportunity to dance WCS very often but on the odd occasion at a freestyle a suitable track will come on and if Sheepman or another WCS dancer is available, i'm in heaven.:clap: I definately think it's becoming more popular but it will never be comparible to Modern Jive because it's far more technical. More of a 'dancers' dance IMO. Whereas MJ is for any Joe Bloggs, as it's so easy to pick up.

Limpy Tink
6th-October-2005, 08:51 PM
:clap: :clap: Love it, love it, love it!! :clap: :clap:

I went along on my own, to Surbiton for my first class 2 weeks ago. :eek:

Although it was tough to be seriously "back to basics", Cat and the rest of the dancer's in the class were so welcoming and helpful to me that I could not drag myself away!

At Rebel Roc last Sat, I found myself being drawn away from the MJ room, and lured by the great tunes (courtesy of sheepman :worthy: ) and great dancer's upstairs in the WCS room.

I was happy to just watch with my jaw on the floor, totally consumed by the amazing musicality of some of the more experienced W. Coasters :drool: I have to say I was (although thrilled) a little intimidated when some of the guys who recognised me from Surbiton, took pity on me and dragged me (kicking & screaming :wink: ) onto the floor!

Needless to say... I am hooked and looking forward to another class at Surbiton tomorrow. :cheers:

Minnie M
6th-October-2005, 09:12 PM
.....I absolutely love it and can't wait till January as a few of us are heading across the pond to learn a bit more and dance it for a week:clap: :clap:
tell us more please :flower: can any one join in :blush:

BTW Mary I have been doing it for about 5 years + and I still feel like a beginner :blush:

Icey
6th-October-2005, 09:21 PM
BTW Mary I have been doing it for about 5 years + and I still feel like a beginner :blush:

:eek: :eek: Maybe I will reconsider my thought to trying a class :sick:

WittyBird
6th-October-2005, 10:11 PM
:eek: :eek: Maybe I will reconsider my thought to trying a class :sick:

Im with you on that one :what:

Lynn
6th-October-2005, 11:06 PM
The first time i saw Paul warden dance WCS i was hooked. His musical interpretation is so cool! The two classes I did at Southport were taught (very well) by Paul and Cat - and I'm hooked now too. I'm still having to count and may still have to for a while yet, and feel rather clumsy at any attempts but I will persevere.

Brady
7th-October-2005, 02:04 PM
tell us more please :flower: can any one join in :blush:

Scooby is referring to Skippy Blair's intensive in Monterey in January that a few of us will be attending. In conjunction with this is the Monterey Swingfest (competition) which we'll likely hazard a go at! :what:


I believe the potential of it is greater than any other style around today. It has so many appealing elements - the music, the lady focus, the grounded nature of the patterns and the fact that it is leadable (the singular most important point in my book).

Would completely agree with this! It is so open to interpretation as well!

Brady

Dance Demon
7th-October-2005, 05:01 PM
There's a scene in GI Blues where Elvis is romancin Juliet Prowse, herself a wonderful show dancer, where a German squeezebox band are playing a traditional song in traditional style and she asks him how he likes the music and he makes a face and says it don't ooze, Juliet says "was is dis ooze" so he grabs a gitar (sic) and turns it into "Tonight's All Right for Love" and there we have "ooze".
Anyone with me?
Or is this just in my head?

I'm with you Chickie..........ain't nobody can "ooze"....like the King:waycool:

Jive Brummie
9th-October-2005, 04:57 PM
Melanie and I tried it and really, really enjoyed it. Only problem was that we had to travel a tadge too far to get to the weekly classes and it turned out to cost us a fortune in travelling so we had to make the decision to bin the class.

Bit gutted about that really.

If there was a good class over this side of Scotland then we'd definately be going back for more. As a complete and utter novice in it my overall opinion was that it would only go towards enhancing a modern jiver's dancing. With it's smooth look and style, accompanied with the massive range of music it's danceable to, i think everyone should at least give it a go.

So if there are is a teacher out there who want's to teach dundee/perth way then you've got your first couple of punters in me and the missus:clap: .

JB x x

Andy McGregor
10th-October-2005, 12:10 AM
I just wish more people had access to it. Maybe one day :rolleyes: :nice:IMHO WCS needs a nucleus. It needs somewhere that it's danced on a regular basis with regular dancers and regular dances. Then word can spread organically with satellites to the nucleus. It seems that nucleus is in London - no surprise there. One day we will get WCS outside London but I'm happy with MJ growing until we have a huge nucleus of dancers that want more - that day has dawned in London. It's a long way off in Brighton and I wouldn't like to dilute/confuse our local MJ scene by setting up WCS classes. Speaking personally, I'd go to WCS every week if there was one within reasonable travelling distance :tears:

Cruella
10th-October-2005, 11:32 AM
IMHO WCS needs a nucleus. It needs somewhere that it's danced on a regular basis with regular dancers and regular dances. Then word can spread organically with satellites to the nucleus. It seems that nucleus is in London - no surprise there. One day we will get WCS outside London but I'm happy with MJ growing until we have a huge nucleus of dancers that want more - that day has dawned in London. It's a long way off in Brighton and I wouldn't like to dilute/confuse our local MJ scene by setting up WCS classes. Speaking personally, I'd go to WCS every week if there was one within reasonable travelling distance :tears:
Is this not how MJ took off? Started it's nucleus in London then spread across the country over the years? (I'm asking, don't know the history!) Trouble is by the time it's country wide, i'll be too old to do it anymore.:tears:

Dance Demon
10th-October-2005, 06:21 PM
Theres WCS getting taught here in Scotland...in Edin burgh & Glasgow.......and a monthly freestyle where lots of WCS music gets played.......maybe you all need to migrate north:wink:

Paul F
10th-October-2005, 06:35 PM
Theres WCS getting taught here in Scotland...in Edin burgh & Glasgow.......and a monthly freestyle where lots of WCS music gets played.......maybe you all need to migrate north:wink:

You have no idea how envious I am.
Out of interest how many people do you get on the WCS nights?

Dance Demon
10th-October-2005, 06:42 PM
average attendance at the freestyle night is between 100 & 150.....haven't managed along to the class nights for a while.....maybe Lindsay or Brady could tell you

Paul F
10th-October-2005, 07:08 PM
Some fab tracks listed so far. My current faves are:

Aretha Franklin - Until you come back to me
Mario - Let me love you
Crystal Gayle - Dont it make my brown eyes blue
Babyface - Just my imagination

If a venue played these I would be in heaven :nice:

Paul F
10th-October-2005, 07:08 PM
average attendance at the freestyle night is between 100 & 150.....haven't managed along to the class nights for a while.....maybe Lindsay or Brady could tell you


:what: :clap: :clap: Thats fantastic :clap:

Dance Demon
10th-October-2005, 09:58 PM
Some fab tracks listed so far. My current faves are:

Aretha Franklin - Until you come back to me
Babyface - Just my imagination

If a venue played these I would be in heaven :nice:

I played these at Southport Paul....and will most likely sqeeze them in to my Sunday Night set at the BFG :waycool:

Paul F
11th-October-2005, 12:31 AM
I played these at Southport Paul....and will most likely sqeeze them in to my Sunday Night set at the BFG :waycool:


Oops :blush: I meant to post these in the dj bit .

I still havnt got the hang of this. :rolleyes:

jockey
12th-October-2005, 09:34 PM
I know its a drag when people say this but I need another option, viz., tried it, liked it, but not enough to move across..
I think it is suited very well to raunchy RnB (as in urban blues) but my partner has a salsa background and hates "old music"....:yeah:

Brady
13th-October-2005, 12:35 PM
average attendance at the freestyle night is between 100 & 150.....haven't managed along to the class nights for a while.....maybe Lindsay or Brady could tell you

Our numbers on a Wed. in Edinburgh vary, often due to football being on. :sick: We could use some more guys though; plenty of ladies wanting to dance with all you men!!!

WCS nights will have lower attendance than MJ due to WCS being relatively new here in the UK and it is a bit more challenging. Last Friday in Surbiton there were around 50 or so and the same at the workshop in Bisley last Sunday. We normally get 20-30 or so in Edinburgh, which if we consider the dancing population is probably comparable to the proportion attending in London.

Brady

TA Guy
16th-October-2005, 07:45 PM
I can only speak for myself, but I think WCS looks absolutely superb when danced well. If I could dance a fraction as well as that Jordan Frisbee bloke, I would be a happy man ;)
God I wish there was a WCS class down soton way... Come on someone :)

Lindsay
17th-October-2005, 07:32 PM
I can only speak for myself, but I think WCS looks absolutely superb when danced well. If I could dance a fraction as well as that Jordan Frisbee bloke, I would be a happy man
:yeah: He rocks.

wicked blue
14th-November-2005, 07:53 PM
WCS rocks!:clap:



M

:yeah:

I love it!! Its such a smooth dance - and when danced well it looks like the dancers are simply gliding! :clap:

I got really frustrated with it back in January time after a few classes this year and as a result stopped, however i was completely inspired with Cat's class in the Isle of Wight, and i found that i got to grips with the basics!

There's no denying that its a really technical dance ( i have brain strain after a lesson..and as for the workshop's.... my brain turns to mush!) but i'm going to continue with the crap beginner feeling and going to start coming to surbiton on a regular basis :nice:

Paul F
15th-November-2005, 03:00 PM
I was really happy on Sunday at Camber to see how many people took part in the WCS workshops with Paul W.
I popped my head in just briefly as I really had to sleep and it was absolutely packed. Enough people, I thought, to warrant it up in the main hall rather than in the blues room.

Dave Hancock
15th-November-2005, 03:15 PM
I was really happy on Sunday at Camber to see how many people took part in the WCS workshops with Paul W.
I popped my head in just briefly as I really had to sleep and it was absolutely packed. Enough people, I thought, to warrant it up in the main hall rather than in the blues room.

Would have to disagree with this, I had to do it as a fixed partner to someone who'd never danced it before and thought it was just right space wise and also in that it created the right atmosphere, upstairs would have been half empty.

What was really good though was the amount of people who tried to give it a go during freestyles especially on Sunday night when the music lended itself to it a bit more than the other nights.

I thought there was more people trying to WCS in the freestyles than I saw doing lindy or any other style of swing so perhaps in future the organisers will take this into account.

Paul F
15th-November-2005, 03:30 PM
I thought there was more people trying to WCS in the freestyles than I saw doing lindy or any other style of swing so perhaps in future the organisers will take this into account.

I hope so.

I will have to bow to your judgement on the numbers but from what I could see when I popped my head in it was really busy! Cant remember which one it was but I think Katie was demo'ing :worthy:

I think upstairs, at the time, was a cringe-worthy bump and grind class that involved kissing the ladies arm and rubbing noses. :sad:

David Bailey
15th-November-2005, 09:16 PM
I think upstairs, at the time, was a cringe-worthy bump and grind class that involved kissing the ladies arm and rubbing noses. :sad:
What, at the same time? :whistle:

Paul F
15th-November-2005, 10:15 PM
What, at the same time? :whistle:

That would have been something. :)

It was one of those classes that I see some teachers doing that makes me think "oh my god, what on earth are you teaching".
Trouble is there were loads of people in the class!

I would love to teach a class at a weekender on advanced partnering techniques rather than have these humiliating, and pretty pointless, classes going on. At least this way I would have the chance to teach some practical points to hopefully help improve someones dancing. It appears I would be in the minority though if the numbers in the bump and grind class were anything to go by. People simply may not want technical classes.

David Bailey
15th-November-2005, 10:28 PM
That would have been something. :)

It was one of those classes that I see some teachers doing that makes me think "oh my god, what on earth are you teaching".
Trouble is there were loads of people in the class!

Ah - I've a very strong suspicion I know which one you're talking about. A rational person would stop now to avoid a major row, but where's the fun in that?

Some classes "selling sex" are indeed popular - but I agree, they look a bit, err, silly to me (that's me being diplomatic)



I would love to teach a class at a weekender on advanced partnering techniques .
Ah - I think you need to talk to Minnie about her SuperWeekender thing...

Paul F
15th-November-2005, 10:35 PM
Ah - I've a very strong suspicion I know which one you're talking about. A rational person would stop now to avoid a major row, but where's the fun in that?

Some classes "selling sex" are indeed popular - but I agree, they look a bit, err, silly to me (that's me being diplomatic)


Ah - I think you need to talk to Minnie about her SuperWeekender thing...

Im no stranger to sharing an opinion - whether controversial or not.
The simple fact is the class was busy. I think the phrase goes "if it aint broke, dont fix it".
People must want silly.

doc martin
16th-November-2005, 11:44 AM
That would have been something. :)

It was one of those classes that I see some teachers doing that makes me think "oh my god, what on earth are you teaching".
Trouble is there were loads of people in the class!

I would love to teach a class at a weekender on advanced partnering techniques rather than have these humiliating, and pretty pointless, classes going on. At least this way I would have the chance to teach some practical points to hopefully help improve someones dancing. It appears I would be in the minority though if the numbers in the bump and grind class were anything to go by. People simply may not want technical classes.
Sorry to go so off topic with this post but I had to rise to the supposition that cerocers don't want technical classes.

At the recent BFG a high proportion of the classes were technical. I can't remember the exact proportion but my feeling is that half of the classes I attended were technical.

The number of dancers at the BFG is much smaller than at weekenders like Camber, so a direct comparison may be misleading, but the technical classes seemed to be very popular and much enjoyed.

So even if you are in a minority, it would seem to be a large enough minority to make it worthwhile for event organisers to take notice, put on technical classes and use these as a draw for the event. I might even go so far to say that an event may draw a larger proportion of men if there were more classes on how to lead and how to interpret the music.

Paul F
16th-November-2005, 11:55 AM
I might even go so far to say that an event may draw a larger proportion of men if there were more classes on how to lead and how to interpret the music.

Thats an interesting point. A possible solution to the eternal "we need more men" problem!
I was basing my outspoken viewpoint on the basis of MJ as a social past-time rather than 'serious work' :)
Plus, I love making general sweeping statements. It keeps me alive :D :wink:

DavidB
16th-November-2005, 12:02 PM
I might even go so far to say that an event may draw a larger proportion of men if there were more classes on how to lead and how to interpret the music.
Having taught both, you get more men going to Musical Interpretation classses than Lead & Follow classes.

Women will go to anything that has the word 'shop' in it.

Paul F
16th-November-2005, 12:12 PM
Women will go to anything that has the word 'shop' in it.


And I thought I liked sweeping statements. :nice:

Im going to just hide here behind this rock ;)

doc martin
16th-November-2005, 12:28 PM
Thats an interesting point. A possible solution to the eternal "we need more men" problem!
From my impression at the BFG, the ratio in both the technical classes and the social dancing was not too bad and Franck's new technical classes at Stirling seem to be attracting pretty even numbers. So maybe other organisers should try it.
I was basing my outspoken viewpoint on the basis of MJ as a social past-time rather than 'serious work' :)
I know what you are saying about MJ being a social pastime, and it is quite clear from local classes that a good proportion of the dancers just want some fun bouncing around to music, doing some fancy arm moves and generally having a good time.

However, I think that the proportion who want to learn the basics of dancing is growing. My own opinion of why this is occurring (and this is pure speculation) is that more slower music is now being played. Most people find it difficult to look good or, often, even keep doing their usual moves to this music. But then they see some dancers who have got the hang of dancing to slower music, maybe with blues dancing, maybe just doing simple, elegant movements and they want to learn how to dance that way. When they find that to dance nicely to slower music they need to learn more of the basics of dancing, some of the people will see it as worthwhile to learn those basics. And that supplies a growing community of leaders who want technical classes.

Plus, I love making general sweeping statements. It keeps me alive :D :wink:
I quite like sweeping movements, although not with a brush.:whistle:

Having taught both, you get more men going to Musical Interpretation classses than Lead & Follow classes.
Your musical interpretation classes at Glasgow were what I was thinking about, and they had very even numbers (and were well attended). Franck's fingertip leading even had 2 men over as I recall (men move round :eek: )

Paul F
16th-November-2005, 12:40 PM
Your musical interpretation classes at Glasgow were what I was thinking about, and they had very even numbers (and were well attended). Franck's fingertip leading even had 2 men over as I recall (men move round :eek: )

Apparently men cant multitask so walking AND counting is a no go area. :rolleyes:


Anyway, back on thread with a sweeping statement -

West Coast Swing is the best dance ever and there is no such thing as Santa Claus :D

David Franklin
16th-November-2005, 12:44 PM
Women will go to anything that has the word 'shop' in it.Hmm... My research with computer shop, gadget shop, etc. found little evidence for your claim.

However, I've heard there were 713 ladies over for the "Soft Shoe Shuffle Workshop" at Camber.

Limpy Tink
16th-November-2005, 02:14 PM
West Coast Swing is the best dance ever and there is no such thing as Santa Claus :D


Nooo! There is... and...and...and... he lives in the North Pole with Rudolf and the elves!! Please do not spread such vicious rumours this close to Christmas!!:eek:

(OK :flower: - recovers her composure again quickly...then continues..)

Would have to agree with your other sweeping statement though - not that I am qualified to make a professional judgement - but IMO, it is fab and I love it - even though I am very new to it.

robd
16th-November-2005, 04:02 PM
My own opinion of why this is occurring (and this is pure speculation) is that more slower music is now being played. Most people find it difficult to look good or, often, even keep doing their usual moves to this music. But then they see some dancers who have got the hang of dancing to slower music, maybe with blues dancing, maybe just doing simple, elegant movements and they want to learn how to dance that way.

One amusing memory of Camber was of Hero (Iglesias??) playing in the main room during the Sunday Jive Hits session - very very slow track and all I could do was rock back and forth moving slowly clockwise with my partner. Many others were of the same mind but a significant proportion, even possibly a majority of couples were still dancing the same moves they had just done to Charlotte Church or whoever and when I saw someone launch into a pretty fast (and clumsy - aren't all pretzels clumsy?) pretzel it seemed so incongruous.

However, before I start feeling too superior, one less amusing memory of Camber is of being asked for my first dance downstairs by a lovely girl (who I later learned from watching my cheapo Videos of prev Cambers did some demoing with Dan on Partnered Hip Hop and a Foursome routine so some of you may know her). I could not pick up the rhythm at all and it was rather embarassing but she was very sweet about it and things did improve to an extent as the dance progressed.

Robert

robd
16th-November-2005, 04:16 PM
I was really disappointed that other commitments meant I couldn't stay for Paul Warden's beginner WCS class at Camber. Seeing him in action for just half a track beforehand was inspiring and the 5 minutes I did stay for made me think he would be an excellent teacher. I'd really like to be able to lead a Whip (I think the move is called) in my jiving.

Can anyone recommend any available instructional DVDs for the basics of WCS? I appreciate this is a much less satisfactory way to learn than by attending a class but it's better than nothing.

Robert

Paul F
16th-November-2005, 08:08 PM
Can anyone recommend any available instructional DVDs for the basics of WCS? I appreciate this is a much less satisfactory way to learn than by attending a class but it's better than nothing.

Robert

A good place to start would be Cats website under "WCS Links". There are further links to loads of instructors' dvd's.

As for a recommendation, its tricky as everyone has their own ideas of what is good instruction and what isnt.
I would have to recommend Skippy Blair's instructional dvd's as some of the very best. Skippy is one of the leading figures in the US for WCS (and a lot of dance) plus being a really nice person to boot.
She currently has a fundamental dvd out which not only covers the basic patterns but also incorporates things that many people miss out on.
Its a well produced DVD and well worth the money.

To order you have to phone the states between 7pm and 11pm our time but thats a small price to pay :-)
The only advice i would give when buying from the states is to bear in mind that you can buy video players over here that play ntsc and pal for about £40. I didnt realise that myself until david franklin told me. :cheers:

If you need any more ideas on dvds just PM me and ask away. I have most of them now :rolleyes: so should be able to help you out.

Minnie M
16th-November-2005, 09:01 PM
Check out the freebee lessons :-
http://www.mydancelesson.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=27&func=selectfolder&filecatid=1

hope the link works -

woops these are the 'paying' ones, but they do have freebee ones on this site under "sample videos"

Geordieed
28th-November-2005, 01:47 PM
Just been catching up on the results for the Open this year.

http://www.usopenswingdc.com/2005_division_winners.html


That looked like a tough competition for alot of the catergories.

Jordan and Tatiana doing the business as usual. Plus the 'Showcase' division looks like a who's, who. I think a certain Aussie couple watching would have been very happy to see Benji and Heidi back competing again and winning.

We're very lucky to have Cat bringing back an amazing dance couple. Can't wait for Wednesday night.

DavidB
28th-November-2005, 03:02 PM
http://www.usopenswingdc.com/2005_division_winners.htmlHaving seen the videos for the Showcase and Cabaret, I wonder if the competition is going to be sponsored by Krispy Kreme next year.

Geordieed
28th-November-2005, 04:11 PM
Having seen the videos for the Showcase and Cabaret, I wonder if the competition is going to be sponsored by Krispy Kreme next year.


Either that or Jointace...

Lory
28th-November-2005, 05:55 PM
Just been catching up on the results for the Open this year.

http://www.usopenswingdc.com/2005_division_winners.html



WOW:worthy:

I'd love to see the full DVD. I wonder if it would play in the UK:confused:

DavidB
28th-November-2005, 06:02 PM
I wonder if it would play in the UKThey have always done so in the past.

(You need a DVD player and TV capable of NTSC playback. But most DVD players and TVs made in the last 3 years can do this - even the most basic models.)

Geordieed
28th-November-2005, 06:50 PM
David is right in what he said but take note:

I did have a problem with one of the DVD's from the Grand National collection from this year. They do say on the promotional material that the recent DVD's will not play on all players and recommend that you have a new machine to play it with. The cost of the players in the States are so cheap. I did find that the DVD's will play on computers without any problem.

Fortunately the matter was sorted out with help from a friend with some influence. :worthy:

David Franklin
28th-November-2005, 07:00 PM
I did have a problem with one of the DVD's from the Grand National collection from this year. They do say on the promotional material that the recent DVD's will not play on all players and recommend that you have a new machine to play it with. The cost of the players in the States are so cheap. I did find that the DVD's will play on computers without any problem.
Conversely, the few DVDs I've ordered from the US have always played flawlessly. Whereas with many of the DVDs I've bought in the UK I've ended up having to copy them in order to get a copy that plays without glitching.

DVD's are great in terms of features and clarity, but I can't say they've totally convinced me vis-a-vis reliability.

Geordieed
29th-November-2005, 09:31 AM
Maybe I just got a rogue. Still though it would not stop me from getting more in the future. I am looking forward to the DVD for this years' RebelYell event.

Yes you guessed it. More WCS...

David Franklin
29th-November-2005, 09:50 AM
Maybe I just got a rogue. Still though it would not stop me from getting more in the future. I think the customer service in the US is a couple of leagues ahead of the UK as well. The one time I had a problem, it was ordering an NTSC video (they could convert to PAL, but it cost more); when it arrived, it played OK but there was no sound. We were fairly sure it was a problem with the video rather than the PAL/NTSC thing as we could play other NTSC vids OK, but were a little apprehensive the US supplier might say it was our fault for ordering NTSC.

To cut a story short, the company said "we'll send you a PAL version (free of charge) and you can keep the NTSC one as well". :worthy: This was www.dance90210.com if anyone is interested - as you might guess I'd certainly recommend them!

Paul F
1st-December-2005, 01:38 AM
Just wanted to say what a fab night i had at Hammersmith WCS night tonight.
I realise it was busier than normal because Robert Cordoba and Deborah were there but it was such a nice night. The classes were great but what made it for me was when the lights were turned down at the end for the freestyle and we had smooth , chilled out tunes on.
Pretty much everyone was up dancing. The place looked lovely and was very intimate. A really good night.
I so love WCS.

I have not been able to go recently due to my job but I am going to make more of an effort to get there in future.

Jenni
1st-December-2005, 01:49 AM
After doing the Saturday workshop for our southern contingency, Robert and Deborah are coming up to sunny Scotland to teach a workshop on Sunday - have to say I'm really looking forward to it - WCS overload :drool:

:clap: to Lindsay and Brady for getting them up here

Jenni :flower:

Minnie M
1st-December-2005, 09:15 AM
Don't forget they will be at Surbiton tomorrow (Friday 2nd) and at Woking on Monday (5th)

Annalisa is openning the second room for WCS on Monday so IT IS A MUST for all WCS fans:worthy: :clap: :kiss: :hug: :yeah:

Mary
1st-December-2005, 11:30 AM
After doing the Saturday workshop for our southern contingency, Robert and Deborah are coming up to sunny Scotland to teach a workshop on Sunday - have to say I'm really looking forward to it - WCS overload :drool:

:clap: to Lindsay and Brady for getting them up here

Jenni :flower:


You are going to love Robert and Deborah. They are a great teaching team and enjoy a good laugh - just dont cross Deborah!:what: :wink: They also don't dumb it down particularly, so one has to pay attention, but I like it that way.

How they can manage to maintain such energy and fun in their teaching straight after a 12-hour flight I will never know! :worthy:

Oh, and if they do a demo for you.................:drool: :drool: :drool:

M

Paul F
1st-December-2005, 11:39 AM
Annalisa is openning the second room for WCS on Monday so IT IS A MUST for all WCS fans:worthy: :clap: :kiss: :hug: :yeah:

It means missing Jango but I have to. I just have to.

Paul F
1st-December-2005, 11:41 AM
They are a great teaching team and enjoy a good laugh - just dont cross Deborah!:what: :wink:
M

I pity anybody who crosses her. :sick: She is brill though.

If anybody asked me to define a typical new yorker (not knowing anything about new york) I would have to pick Deborah :grin: Just dont tell her I said that :whistle:

Limpy Tink
1st-December-2005, 11:50 AM
You are going to love Robert and Deborah. They are a great teaching team and enjoy a good laugh - just dont cross Deborah!:what: :wink: They also don't dumb it down particularly, so one has to pay attention, but I like it that way.

M

I couldn't agree more. :clap: :clap:

I too had a fab night. The chance to have an attempt at "4 play" proved to be an interesting challenge - even managed to keep up with 6 & 8 - but by the time we got to 10 plus, it did indeed feel like "mass confusion" - great fun though :D

For those of you who have not seen them in action yet - get over to Surbiton on Friday - you are in for a treat! :yum:

I may be new to it - but I am so loving WCS! :clap:

Paul F
1st-December-2005, 08:52 PM
I saw this on JiveHive

Thurs
West Coast Swing at Brentham Club 38a Meadvale Road, Ealing. Contact Angela for more details
Ealing West
Coast Swing
01895 474555


Anyone got any ideas if its a class, freestyle or even if its still running?

ChrisA
1st-December-2005, 08:54 PM
It means missing Jango but I have to. I just have to.
[ evil grin ]
Splendid.
[/ evil grin ]

Minnie M
2nd-December-2005, 03:11 AM
I saw this on JiveHive

Thurs
West Coast Swing at Brentham Club 38a Meadvale Road, Ealing. Contact Angela for more details
Ealing West
Coast Swing
01895 474555

Anyone got any ideas if its a class, freestyle or even if its still running?

Angela Brown used to run a regular weekly class/freestyle after Fred & Beckie stopped, she said they were having a break about the same time JiveBug started to get popular - didn't think she started them up again

Angela is tall slim with reddish curly hair and in her 50's and is a good WCS dancer, she has been over to the States many times and has had numerous private lessons with many of the masters. You will see her at most of WCS gigs, she must have asked you to dance at some time, she most certainly was at Cat's Wednesday class and possibly the workshop Robert & Deborah took

Paul F
2nd-December-2005, 09:41 AM
Angela Brown used to run a regular weekly class/freestyle after Fred & Beckie stopped, she said they were having a break about the same time JiveBug started to get popular - didn't think she started them up again

Angela is tall slim with reddish curly hair and in her 50's and is a good WCS dancer, she has been over to the States many times and has had numerous private lessons with many of the masters. You will see her at most of WCS gigs, she must have asked you to dance at some time, she most certainly was at Cat's Wednesday class and possibly the workshop Robert & Deborah took

Oh yes. I know who you mean now.
Its ashame these aren't still running. I only thought of it as I really wanted to do WC last night and couldnt find anywhere :rolleyes:

Oh well. Not to worry.
Thanks for the info Minnie :hug:

Minnie M
2nd-December-2005, 10:03 AM
Oh yes. I know who you mean now.
Its ashame these aren't still running. I only thought of it as I really wanted to do WC last night and couldnt find anywhere :rolleyes:

Oh well. Not to worry.
Thanks for the info Minnie :hug:

Speak to her, WSC is her pasion with a vengence and I am sure with enough people to attend (so she doesn't loose money) she may even start it up again

Lou
2nd-December-2005, 08:42 PM
Having seen the videos for the Showcase and Cabaret, I wonder if the competition is going to be sponsored by Krispy Kreme next year.
:D Don't sound so smug, David! Trendsetters! :rolleyes:

I'm desperately trying to remember everything that you & Lily taught me before I go to a Cat & Paul workshop in Bristol next weekend. :sick:

BTW... I gather that Sherif's planning a WCS category in the WSM competition next year, too. Will you guys be judging?

Maybe I should ask this in Social Events, but are any forumites coming down to Bristol that weekend? I know UnderPar's said he's coming down for the Red & Black Ball on the 10th - are you staying for the Sunday WCS workshop & teadance, too?

Paul F
3rd-December-2005, 03:47 AM
BTW... I gather that Sherif's planning a WCS category in the WSM competition next year, too. Will you guys be judging?


I sincerely hope he doesnt do it yet :sad:

WCS needs to mature and grow before people start manipulating it for competition.
IMO we need to see WCS branch out to more parts of the country before we can even consider having a national competition.

I have heard great things about the WSM comp, although not having been myself, and would hate to see anything that would jeopardise that.

under par
3rd-December-2005, 05:43 AM
:Maybe I should ask this in Social Events, but are any forumites coming down to Bristol that weekend? I know UnderPar's said he's coming down for the Red & Black Ball on the 10th - are you staying for the Sunday WCS workshop & teadance, too?


Not able to goto the WCS teadance as have to be at work in Sussex at 6 pm:tears: :tears: maybe next year......but hey we will be at the ball :yeah:

TiggsTours
20th-December-2005, 10:33 AM
Does anyone know of any regular WCS classes anywhere on a Thursday night? It needs to be within a reasonable distance of Harrow, so anywhere in London, Middlesex or South Herts.

If done a good search on google, and I've only come up with Mondays & Wednesdays, which are 2 days I can't do!

spindr
20th-December-2005, 11:42 AM
If done a good search on google, and I've only come up with Mondays & Wednesdays, which are 2 days I can't do!
Howabout trying
http://www.afterfive.co.uk/maps/West_Coast_Swing-links.html :whistle:

Dance riviera are starting in the new year.
Farnham is a Tuesday, and Surbiton on a Friday.

SpinDr

TiggsTours
20th-December-2005, 12:11 PM
Howabout trying
http://www.afterfive.co.uk/maps/West_Coast_Swing-links.html :whistle:

Dance riviera are starting in the new year.
Farnham is a Tuesday, and Surbiton on a Friday.

SpinDr
Thanks, but Dartford isn't really a driveable distance from Harrow on a school night, and Tuesday's aren't good for me either (plus Farnham is also too far).

I think I'll be going to Surbiton on a Friday.

Thanks everyone who came back to me.

TT. x

Keith J
28th-December-2005, 04:21 PM
:devil: Is there any point in learning WCS, as so few people dance it?

Compare the set of WCS classes (http://www.afterfive.co.uk/maps/WestCoastSwing-links.html) to the set of modern jive classes (http://www.afterfive.co.uk/maps/?Jive-links.html)? :devil:

Of course, I could be missing some -- so sign me up for the newsletter

The Bristol forum mentioned http://www.crazygang.biz as having a WCS (one off?) class soon.

SpinDr

Ironically Paul Warden probabaly the best male WCS dancer in the UK comes from Basingstoke!!!

robd
31st-December-2005, 05:43 PM
Ironically Paul Warden probabaly the best male WCS dancer in the UK comes from Basingstoke!!!

I bought the DVD of MJC8 from Steve Strong's site for a knockdown price and it has a performance by Paul Warden and Jodie in the cabaret that I just can't get enough of. Smooth as silk.

Northants Girly
30th-January-2006, 01:16 PM
Paul Warden teaches at Oxford on a Monday
The Jiveplus website (http://www.jiveplus.com/) dosn't seem to have any information on this anymore :(

Does anyone know if it is still running? :confused:

Northants Girly
30th-January-2006, 04:23 PM
I've just had this reply from Coralie about these classes:

I was hoping to run a 6 week WCS course but didn't get enough guys!
However, I am running Sunday monthly workshops with Paul Warden. Next one is 12 Feb . . . .

:tears:

Brady
1st-February-2006, 01:58 PM
I sincerely hope he doesnt do it yet :sad:

WCS needs to mature and grow before people start manipulating it for competition.
IMO we need to see WCS branch out to more parts of the country before we can even consider having a national competition.

I have heard great things about the WSM comp, although not having been myself, and would hate to see anything that would jeopardise that.

Do you actually think this is such a bad thing? I would agree with you that WCS still needs to mature and expand across the country, but this event will provide a great opportunity to showcase WCS. There is only a single category, so it's not really a 'national competition' as such. It would be great if some of the more experienced WCS dancers attended this event so those that haven't tried or seen it yet can see what it is all about. In any case, it's all for fun anyway! I am going to look into trying to get down to the event as I have the WCS competition bug now after competing in Monterey, CA in January and gonna be heading across to Boston next month.

Brady

drathzel
1st-February-2006, 02:04 PM
WCS needs to mature and grow before people start manipulating it for competition.
IMO we need to see WCS branch out to more parts of the country before we can even consider having a national competition.
This post amuses me as i have heard on the grapevine that you ambition was to be the Next WCS champion.... maybe i heard wrong

Minnie M
1st-February-2006, 02:39 PM
....... I have the WCS competition bug now after competing in Monterey, CA in January and gonna be heading across to Boston next month.
Go Brady go :yeah: :flower: :yeah:

Geordieed
1st-February-2006, 02:43 PM
If anyone knows about the judging criteria or who is going to judge such a competition I would be fascinated to know.

Mary
1st-February-2006, 02:45 PM
If anyone knows about the judging criteria or who is going to judge such a competition I would be fascinated to know.

Me too.

Anyone want a WCS partner?:wink:

M

ducasi
1st-February-2006, 03:04 PM
Can anyone suggest any options for learning WCS for someone in Glasgow who doesn't have transport to get to Edinburgh for the weekly classes there?

Cheers!

Rhythm King
1st-February-2006, 03:55 PM
Can anyone suggest any options for learning WCS for someone in Glasgow who doesn't have transport to get to Edinburgh for the weekly classes there?

Cheers!

Being a Londoner I know nothing about Glasgow, but you could try James McClauchlan, the Strictly Dance Fever guy. He's based in Glasgow and teaches from time to time http://www.jamesmclauchlan.co.uk

Otherwise go through the Country Dance scene, that way you can get to do some Night Club 2 Step, which is also a good partner dance.

Check out Catriona Wiles' WCS site which has links including video instruction.http://www.fusiondance.freeservers.com/catalog.html

Simon
1st-February-2006, 04:41 PM
Can anyone suggest any options for learning WCS for someone in Glasgow who doesn't have transport to get to Edinburgh for the weekly classes there?

Cheers!
I saw a couple called Graham Fox and Christina dancing WCS at Coralie's recent freestyle in Oxford. They were ace :worthy: and I understand are from Glasgow. (If anyone's got contact details for this couple, please PM me.)

drathzel
1st-February-2006, 05:07 PM
I saw a couple called Graham Fox and Christina dancing WCS at Coralie's recent freestyle in Oxford. They were ace :worthy: and I understand are from Glasgow. (If anyone's got contact details for this couple, please PM me.)

Christina Is Kriss on here! They do both dance in Glasgow and Graham used to teach on a Monday night in Glasgow but i dont know if he does anymore:hug:

Cruella
1st-February-2006, 05:24 PM
Can anyone suggest any options for learning WCS for someone in Glasgow who doesn't have transport to get to Edinburgh for the weekly classes there?

Cheers!
As Brady lives in Glasgow and teaches WCS i would imagine it would be a good idea to speak to him. Perhaps he gives private lessons? i don't know.
(10 % commision please Brady):wink:

ducasi
1st-February-2006, 05:26 PM
Christina Is Kriss on here! They do both dance in Glasgow and Graham used to teach on a Monday night in Glasgow but i dont know if he does anymore:hug:
I'm not sure, but someone told me he no longer teaches, though even when he did, it wasn't a very convenient location for me, out in Uddingston, I think.

Would be glad to hear I'm wrong on both counts.

Cruella
1st-February-2006, 05:28 PM
Christina Is Kriss on here! They do both dance in Glasgow and Graham used to teach on a Monday night in Glasgow but i dont know if he does anymore:hug:
I danced with a WCS teacher at the BFG i think his name was Graham :confused: He was fab to dance with.

drathzel
1st-February-2006, 05:28 PM
I'm not sure, but someone told me he no longer teaches, though even when he did, it wasn't a very convenient location for me, out in Uddingston, I think.

Would be glad to hear I'm wrong on both counts.

You could always ask Kriss as she sometimes comes to Ceroc, or ask Nic as they are good friends and she might be able to pass on some info!:D

ducasi
1st-February-2006, 06:37 PM
You could always ask Kriss as she sometimes comes to Ceroc, or ask Nic as they are good friends and she might be able to pass on some info!:D Thanks Danielle, and Cruella for the ideas. If I see Nic or Kriss tonight, I'll ask them... Cheers!

Minnie M
1st-February-2006, 06:46 PM
I danced with a WCS teacher at the BFG i think his name was Graham :confused: He was fab to dance with.
Graham Fox - he was at the BFG on Sunday evening (I had FIVE :worthy: dances with him :worthy: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh ) he has been teaching WCS for about 7 years now, will PM you his details

Paul F
1st-February-2006, 06:52 PM
This post amuses me as i have heard on the grapevine that you ambition was to be the Next WCS champion.... maybe i heard wrong

Me, nooooo :blush:
I am going to do some of the comps in the states this year but I dont hope to get anywhere. Just nice to have a go.

As for the competition in this country I am still wary that its a good idea. Without a fairer spread of classes in which to learn I cant see the benefit, besides exposure of WCS, of running a comp. Other things such as judges and judging criteria would be a critical thing too.

Brady
2nd-February-2006, 10:26 AM
I am going to do some of the comps in the states this year but I dont hope to get anywhere. Just nice to have a go.

You should give the comps in the US a try; the Jack & Jill's (Lucky Dip/DWAS equivalent) are great fun and much less serious than MJ competitions. It is great to be judged on your dancing rather than costumes, etc (people were just dancing in casual clothes, jeans, etc) and by a panel of trained/certified judges. You should have a look at the judging criteria as they are looking for some different elements than MJ comps. The levels are also much more equal as people are restricted to levels based on points they have earned in comps, such that Newcomers have their own category and progress up through Novice, Intermediate, Advanced, etc. Also be prepared to dance with several partners and be put on the spot!! :really: I entered the Novice J&J in Monterey and had 4 partners for the first round, 3 in the semis, and then....well became very nervous when I had to draw a name and spotlight for the final. After the fact (and a 2nd place), it really wasn't that bad, but on your first time it can be a bit nerve racking.


Other things such as judges and judging criteria would be a critical thing too.

This would be critical if it is going to be a completely serious comp, but as I think most have agreed so far, the UK isn't ready for that yet. Plus, it's really a MJ comp event, so why should we start now to worry about qualified judges and criteria; these things aren't normally taken seriously! :what:


Can anyone suggest any options for learning WCS for someone in Glasgow who doesn't have transport to get to Edinburgh for the weekly classes there?

Graham Fox was running a night in Uddingston as you mentioned; not sure if that's still on the go since the new year. Other than that, you might find something amongst the line dance scene. I would be happy to work with people on a one to one basis or if a few want to organise a small group. Drop me a PM if interested in organising something (Cruella, can I pay commission in dances???!!!!).

Brady

Geordieed
2nd-February-2006, 11:29 AM
This would be critical if it is going to be a completely serious comp, but as I think most have agreed so far, the UK isn't ready for that yet. Plus, it's really a MJ comp event, so why should we start now to worry about qualified judges and criteria; these things aren't normally taken seriously! :what:

Brady


I know what you mean Brady. Athough I can't make a my mind up whether it is a good thing or a bad thing having this competition but with not much information to go on it's probably all I can expect of myself. Plus if any dancers are to be judged by the ability to work as a team and display a proper connection between leader and follower it is important to ensure that one of the top teachers like yourself are employed to do the judging.

Well done on your success in America. What criteria have you been given in the competitions you have entered.

Mary
2nd-February-2006, 11:53 AM
Well done on your success in America. What criteria have you been given in the competitions you have entered.

:yeah: Well done Brady. And I would be interested to hear what the judging criteria is stated. I also think Cat would be a very good judge, but pretty tough with it - which I would prefer I think. No that sounds like Brady would not be, I mean I would rather any judges were not being kind - but I could change my mind on that one :wink:

I also have my reservations about starting a WCS comp. over here, but I guess you have to start somewhere and a catergory in a MJ comp. would be a good place to start maybe. It may give the WCS scene a bit more impetus, or if the standard of the WCS category were a bit dire then it might restrict it. Perhaps it might need a performance demo at the end of the comp. to show how cool it can really look.

M

Brady
2nd-February-2006, 01:28 PM
What criteria have you been given in the competitions you have entered.

I think I might have a sample scoring sheet from some of the judging training classes I've been to, so will look for anything like this and share it once I find it.

Brady

Cruella
2nd-February-2006, 01:36 PM
(and a 2nd place
Ooh, well done.


(Cruella, can I pay commission in dances???!!!!).


Mmmm, yes OK, but the percentage has doubled.:D

Simon
2nd-February-2006, 01:50 PM
Me, nooooo :blush:
As for the competition in this country I am still wary that its a good idea. Without a fairer spread of classes in which to learn I cant see the benefit, besides exposure of WCS, of running a comp.Exposure of WCS sounds to me like a pretty compelling reason for a competition. :wink:

Paul F
2nd-February-2006, 06:54 PM
Exposure of WCS sounds to me like a pretty compelling reason for a competition. :wink:

This is a good reason to have a comp but I worry about where the exposure will take people. There is already a good number of people around the country who want to do WCS but are unable to because of the lack of teachers.
If people come to the champs and decide they also like it, where do they go?

Will that then lead to an explosion of mediocre teachers believing they can teach? (and even worse, believing they can teach WCS!)

A 'fun' competition can do more damage than good IMO

spindr
2nd-February-2006, 07:27 PM
A 'fun' competition can do more damage than good IMO
So I take it you won't be going to WSM in November (http://www.ucwdc.com/eventschedule.shtm) then?

SpinDr

Paul F
2nd-February-2006, 07:41 PM
So I take it you won't be going to WSM in November (http://www.ucwdc.com/eventschedule.shtm) then?

SpinDr

I cant see what that has to do with the WSM MJ comp.
I probably will be going to the british country champs.

spindr
3rd-February-2006, 01:55 AM
I cant see what that has to do with the WSM MJ comp.
I probably will be going to the british country champs.
If you click on the link it lists the UK comp' in Nov' that includes WCS :)

SpinDr.

Brady
3rd-February-2006, 10:08 AM
Will that then lead to an explosion of mediocre teachers believing they can teach? (and even worse, believing they can teach WCS!)

Probably, but then what dance style has this not happened in? A mediocre teacher is likely to start on their own rather than because of pressure by others trying to get them to teach, so exposing WCS to potential students doesn't seem to be a problem. This all dwells back on the question of whether the best teachers are the best dancers, doesn't it? Just because somebody doesn't know loads of WCS doesn't mean they couldn't teach the basics well to give people some sort of basis. What would qualify somebody as a good WCS teacher? Shall they have been through teacher training, have danced for a certain period of time, have made it to a certain level in competition????


There is already a good number of people around the country who want to do WCS but are unable to because of the lack of teachers.
If people come to the champs and decide they also like it, where do they go?

If they don't have local teachers, at least they will have seen it and be encouraged to try it at other weekend events, workshops, and any other opportunities that they may come across. I'm sure several of the current teachers would be willing (I know I would) to do workshops around the country if there was the demand for them. WCS is growing rapidly here in the UK with several visits a year from Pros across from the US, etc with new opportunities to learn arising all the time.

Brady

Dreadful Scathe
3rd-February-2006, 10:25 AM
Anyone with me?
Or is this just in my head?

Im with you AND the voices in your head.
Can you "ooze" with me at the next dance event ? :)


I wouldnt say WCS is any better than Jive as such but I think its much harder to be a BAD WCS dancer because I feel you need to know much more to dance it at all - if you see what I mean :)

Geordieed
3rd-February-2006, 12:56 PM
If you click on the link it lists the UK comp' in Nov' that includes WCS :)

SpinDr.


Just had a look and I can't see the WCS bit in the UK. Do you know where it can be found in the site.

Msfab
3rd-February-2006, 01:04 PM
Just had a look and I can't see the WCS bit in the UK. Do you know where it can be found in the site.

Here you go http://www.britishchamps.com/

Geordieed
3rd-February-2006, 01:27 PM
Here you go


Sorry still being blonde. If you look at the info in the seperate box underneath the WSM information it does mention WCS but this is in America. Where is the WCS in WSM. WCS is danced at Line Dancing events and last year a Swing room was called for at the Winter Gardens in Blackpool (Line Dancing again) but I'm not sure if Swing is going any further than that.

Do you know where inside the link I should be looking...

Rhythm King
3rd-February-2006, 03:38 PM
Sorry still being blonde. If you look at the info in the seperate box underneath the WSM information it does mention WCS but this is in America. Where is the WCS in WSM. WCS is danced at Line Dancing events and last year a Swing room was called for at the Winter Gardens in Blackpool (Line Dancing again) but I'm not sure if Swing is going any further than that.

Do you know where inside the link I should be looking...

It's near the bottom of the page, when you scroll down past the bit on the initial frame view it's on the right hand side of the page, mis-spelled as Western Supermare

Msfab
3rd-February-2006, 03:57 PM
Sorry still being blonde. If you look at the info in the seperate box underneath the WSM information it does mention WCS but this is in America. Where is the WCS in WSM. WCS is danced at Line Dancing events and last year a Swing room was called for at the Winter Gardens in Blackpool (Line Dancing again) but I'm not sure if Swing is going any further than that.

Do you know where inside the link I should be looking...

Is this the bit you are after? Clue - look for the red stars!

Lou
3rd-February-2006, 05:31 PM
A 'fun' competition can do more damage than good IMO

Hi Paul,

This reminded me. I did an update to Sherif's site recently, to include details about the July LeRoc Competition in Weston-super-Mare. The categories can be found here (http://leroc.net/leroc2000/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=53)

I know you're not a big fan of the idea, but he's definitely going ahead with it. :flower:

(BTW, is anyone else getting confused with all the mentions of WCS in WSM! :D )

Geordieed
3rd-February-2006, 05:32 PM
Thanks for talking me into that landing. It was getting a bit hairy. It looks pretty tempting to go and watch. I have seen some of the Line/Country people from time to time and their ability seemed pretty apparent. The teachers we have in London who are currently teaching come from Line/Country. One currently works full time as a dance instructor/choreographer.


When you see those dancers on the floor you see that they're in a different class. There was a competition between Europe and the U.S around the turn of the year which included Line and WCS etc...


Europe kicked ass!
I'd love to see these guys in action.

Paul F
3rd-February-2006, 11:40 PM
Hi Paul,

This reminded me. I did an update to Sherif's site recently, to include details about the July LeRoc Competition in Weston-super-Mare. The categories can be found here (http://leroc.net/leroc2000/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=53)

I know you're not a big fan of the idea, but he's definitely going ahead with it. :flower:

(BTW, is anyone else getting confused with all the mentions of WCS in WSM! :D )

Just had a quick look at the site. It's an interesting idea but I am still unsure as to whether its a good one or not. I guess I wont be convinced until I see the responses from people.
I was chatting to someone about last years Salsa element in the WSM comp and they were saying it was less than brilliant. They were actually more cutting than that.
I guess we will just have to wait and see.

BTW - I found lots of details about the champs but no date. I may not have been looking hard enough though. When is it?

Lou
4th-February-2006, 08:40 PM
BTW - I found lots of details about the champs but no date. I may not have been looking hard enough though. When is it?

:blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:

My fault! It's 21st/22nd July. :rolleyes:

kriss
12th-February-2006, 11:28 AM
Hi All,

This is Cristina and Graham. Had fab night dancing through in Dundee last night..seeing alot of old friendly faces was great.:cheers:

Just to let people know we are currently teaching west coast swing in Glasgow on a Monday and Thursday night, please pm me for details.

x

Heather
12th-February-2006, 11:40 AM
Hi All,

This is Cristina and Graham. Had fab night dancing through in Dundee last night..seeing alot of old friendly faces was great.:cheers:

Just to let people know we are currently teaching west coast swing in Glasgow on a Monday and Thursday night, please pm me for details.

x


Oi you!!!! Less of the OLD:rofl:

Great to see you + Graham last night too.Hope you'll make it through again next month. You guys are looking great.
Now go and post that entry for the Blackpool Spotlight !

:hug:
Heather
XX

Jive Brummie
12th-February-2006, 05:43 PM
Hi All,

This is Cristina and Graham. Had fab night dancing through in Dundee last night..seeing alot of old friendly faces was great.:cheers:

Just to let people know we are currently teaching west coast swing in Glasgow on a Monday and Thursday night, please pm me for details.

x

Cristina, when Graham has finished with those hips...any chance I could get a lend...

Ta.

J.

kriss
12th-February-2006, 09:52 PM
Cristina, when Graham has finished with those hips...any chance I could get a lend...

Ta.

J.

as if u need them...!!:worthy:

xx

Dave Hancock
14th-February-2006, 08:45 AM
Kriss,

Where are you guys teaching on a Thursday, normally free then and may come along if you're central.

Dave

Brady
15th-February-2006, 02:04 PM
Just to let people know we are currently teaching west coast swing in Glasgow on a Monday and Thursday night, please pm me for details.

Great to hear that WCS is gradually spreading through Scotland. Now it is possible to dance WCS at least 3 days a week with these two classes in Glasgow and the Wednesday night in Edinburgh.

There are also monthly WCS workshops in Dundee (PM Heather for info) for those that can't make regular classes or those that just can't get enough!

Brady

Minnie M
15th-February-2006, 07:27 PM
Great to hear that WCS is gradually spreading through Scotland. Now it is possible to dance WCS at least 3 days a week with these two classes in Glasgow and the Wednesday night in Edinburgh.

There are also monthly WCS workshops in Dundee (PM Heather for info) for those that can't make regular classes or those that just can't get enough!

Brady
:tears: another good reason to move to Scotland :tears:

Minnie M
13th-March-2006, 02:31 PM
Roll on next Thursday :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Msfab
13th-March-2006, 02:37 PM
Roll on next Thursday :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

:confused: Whats happening next thursday?

Tiggerbabe
13th-March-2006, 02:40 PM
:confused: Whats happening next thursday?
SHHHHHH! Just whisper it, but I think maybe Minnie's heading to Boston :wink: :whistle:

Dave Hancock
13th-March-2006, 02:51 PM
Roll on next Thursday :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

oooohhhh, had forgotten it was soooo soon, can't wait myself, only 10 sleeps to go:clap: :clap:

Geordieed
13th-March-2006, 03:00 PM
Safe journey to everyone going out there. I wish I could have gone too but have too many things keeping me here in the UK.

Have already booked for the next big event though.


Have a great time everyone. If anyone can find the time when they get back I would love to read some of the stories people come back with.

Dave Hancock
13th-March-2006, 03:02 PM
Have already booked for the next big event though.



What are you going to?? Liberty Swing?? Few of us thinking of going there.

Dave :cheers:

Minnie M
13th-March-2006, 03:22 PM
What are you going to?? Liberty Swing?? Few of us thinking of going there.

Dave :cheers:
:yeah: :blush: haven't even got to Boston and already thinking of June (Liberty Swing) - just lurve John Lindo :respect: :worthy: There are quite a few Brits going there :clap:

Geordieed
13th-March-2006, 03:25 PM
Hey Dave,


Sounds tempting. At the moment I am going to Atlanta. Have never been before so have put myself down for that. Making the choice, when work allows, is not an easy one.


Having spoken to people who have been to Boogie by the Bay it sounds like that one could be worth the trip.


It feels like the progression after doing the dance weekenders in this country to start going to America. The numbers of people over the last couple of years seems to be on the increase.


There is talk about going to some of the Line/Country events in this country as there is alot more Swing there. Plus I fancied having a look at a couple of the Swing events in France that some of the American dancers are making the trip for.

Miss Conduct
14th-March-2006, 03:00 PM
Just had a read through this thread and thought maybe someone could give me some advice.

I have been trying for some time to find somewhere I can dance while I'm in Dallas, Texas. I have been dancing MJ for 7 years and as I am about to go out there again I thought I might try to find a WCS class (obviously for begginers) as the only dancing I've managed to do there so far is the Texas Two Step... with a cowboy in a big hat I hasten to add!

I will be staying in the Rockwall/ Rowlett area so that side of Dallas would be more convienient. If anyone can help please PM me.

Many thanks.

Simon
15th-March-2006, 08:55 PM
Here's another query: does anyone know Ed Lawton and Gemma Bailey (from Stoke on Trent?) who are going to start teaching monthly WCS classes in Yatton (near to Bristol) on Sundays? I think it's being organised through a Line Dancing club.

Alice
19th-March-2006, 01:15 AM
We need a WCS thread here surely.... :cool:

There is a new UK West Coast Swing site if anyone's interested, it's run by Catriona Wiles - http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk
Having watched Paul and Cat perform last night at our Gala (in Sydney) all I can say is :drool: :drool::drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :worthy: :worthy:
I think I have a new favourite dance style:)
Will definitely be looking for some regular classes once I arrive in London- I've done 3 here but it keeps clashing with other things!
Bring it on!:clap:

Rhythm King
19th-March-2006, 12:24 PM
Having watched Paul and Cat perform last night at our Gala (in Sydney) all I can say is :drool: :drool::drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :worthy: :worthy:
I think I have a new favourite dance style:)
Will definitely be looking for some regular classes once I arrive in London- I've done 3 here but it keeps clashing with other things!
Bring it on!:clap:
Paul and Cat teach at separate venues on different nights, so there's plenty of choice. There are also a couple of monthly weekend workshop/tea dances too!

Alice
22nd-March-2006, 12:15 AM
Paul and Cat teach at separate venues on different nights, so there's plenty of choice. There are also a couple of monthly weekend workshop/tea dances too!
:cheers: :clap:

Donna
23rd-March-2006, 12:13 PM
Paul and Cat teach at separate venues on different nights, so there's plenty of choice. There are also a couple of monthly weekend workshop/tea dances too!


I've met Cat in London at a wedding, but have never got the chance to see her dance properly. (She had a looong tight skirt on at the do, so could only do much)

i would like to see a vid of her and Paul or lee dancing together. Anybody know where there might be some clips on the internet?

Mary
23rd-March-2006, 12:36 PM
I've met Cat in London at a wedding, but have never got the chance to see her dance properly. (She had a looong tight skirt on at the do, so could only do much)

i would like to see a vid of her and Paul or lee dancing together. Anybody know where there might be some clips on the internet?

Have a look at the Ceroc Australia website - on there is a video clip of Paul and a partner doing a routine. The one of Paul and Cat freestyling I don't think does them justice, but we can alse see Sheepy and Christine (non-forumite) dancing just behind them.:wink:

I saw Cat and Lee do their entry for a recent competition in Europe. The music is chosen for them and they then have to choreograph a routine - it was awesome.:worthy: :worthy: I also saw Lee do a solo routine to "Feeling Good" by Michael Buble - just amazing.:worthy: :worthy: :tears:

Lee was teaching the WCS class last night on his own - and he taught so much :clap: :respect: He even had everyone doing the 5 positions (no not the kama sutra, naughty people!).:D

M

Donna
23rd-March-2006, 12:39 PM
Have a look at the Ceroc Australia website - on there is a video clip of Paul and a partner doing a routine. The one of Paul and Cat freestyling I don't think does them justice, but we can alse see Sheepy and Christine (non-forumite) dancing just behind them.:wink:

I saw Cat and Lee do their entry for a recent competition in Europe. The music is chosen for them and they then have to choreograph a routine - it was awesome.:worthy: :worthy: I also saw Lee do a solo routine to "Feeling Good" by Michael Buble - just amazing.:worthy: :worthy: :tears:

Lee was teaching the WCS class last night on his own - and he taught so much :clap: :respect: He even had everyone doing the 5 positions (no not the kama sutra, naughty people!).:D

M

Ok thanks Mary! :hug: Hey is it me or is WCS becoming so popular in the jive world now?! There was a few WCS moves going on at Blackpool comp!

Alice
23rd-March-2006, 01:47 PM
Have a look at the Ceroc Australia website - on there is a video clip of Paul and a partner doing a routine. The one of Paul and Cat freestyling I don't think does them justice, but we can alse see Sheepy and Christine (non-forumite) dancing just behind them.:wink:

I saw Cat and Lee do their entry for a recent competition in Europe. The music is chosen for them and they then have to choreograph a routine - it was awesome.:worthy: :worthy: I also saw Lee do a solo routine to "Feeling Good" by Michael Buble - just amazing.:worthy: :worthy: :tears:

Lee was teaching the WCS class last night on his own - and he taught so much :clap: :respect: He even had everyone doing the 5 positions (no not the kama sutra, naughty people!).:D

M
There's also a couple of clips on the Ceroc and Modern Jive website (CMJ-also based in Sydney)-- one of Paul and someone else, one of Paul and Cat (I think). www.ceroc.com.au

Geordieed
23rd-March-2006, 02:53 PM
Have a look at the Ceroc Australia website - on there is a video clip of Paul and a partner doing a routine.

M


This first of the clips is Paul with Jodie Binsteed when they did a routine at MJC a couple of years ago. People in this country will remember Jodie from the tv competition Strictly Dance Fever. Jodie is a two times UCWDC Superstar Grand Champion and is currently touring with the Simply Ballroom show in the UK. She taught with Paul at the event in Bisley and is an incredible dancer. Both her and Cat were freestyling in the evening and on many an occassion virtually cleared the dance floor as people stopped to watch.

drathzel
28th-March-2006, 11:48 PM
Both her and Cat were freestyling in the evening and on many an occassion virtually cleared the dance floor as people stopped to watch.

What evening was this at ie was it a WCS night??

Geordieed
29th-March-2006, 08:44 AM
MJC a couple of years ago.
:nice: :nice: :nice: :nice: :nice:

drathzel
29th-March-2006, 05:32 PM
:nice: :nice: :nice: :nice: :nice:
oops :blush:

Simon
30th-March-2006, 01:55 PM
Is anyone else going to the the WCS workshop this Saturday in Oxford with Robert Cordoba and Cat, plus the freestyle in the evening? :waycool: :waycool:

Geordieed
30th-March-2006, 01:59 PM
Can't make the weekend unfortunately...

Msfab
30th-March-2006, 02:23 PM
Is anyone else going to the the WCS workshop this Saturday in Oxford with Robert Cordoba and Cat, plus the freestyle in the evening? :waycool: :waycool:

Well, I was thinking about going to the freestyle! But i cant face the drive on my tod - so if there is anyone else from the woking/surrey/west-south london wanting to go and would be happy to car share, please let me know!

Simon
30th-March-2006, 04:20 PM
Well, I was thinking about going to the freestyle! But i cant face the drive on my tod - so if there is anyone else from the woking/surrey/west-south london wanting to go and would be happy to car share, please let me know!Please someone help this Damsel in Distress, so that I can get to dance with her on Saturday! :flower:

Cruella
30th-March-2006, 04:32 PM
Is anyone else going to the the WCS workshop this Saturday in Oxford with Robert Cordoba and Cat, plus the freestyle in the evening? :waycool: :waycool:
Me :clap: (Just the freestyle)

clevedonboy
30th-March-2006, 05:34 PM
For those of us new to WCS there's the second class in Yatton (N Somerset), Julia & I will be going to that. more details are on the leroc in bristol forum http://www.leroc-in-bristol.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=848.0

Limpy Tink
30th-March-2006, 09:13 PM
Well, I was thinking about going to the freestyle! But i cant face the drive on my tod - so if there is anyone else from the woking/surrey/west-south london wanting to go and would be happy to car share, please let me know!

Puddy Tat and myself are going for both the workshop and the freestyle :clap: If you feel like booking in for the whole lot, we will be happy to car share? :flower:

Missy D
31st-March-2006, 08:36 AM
I really want to have a go at WCS. Does anyone know where the nearest place is to Finchley North London?

jacksondonut
31st-March-2006, 09:02 AM
Is anyone else going to the the WCS workshop this Saturday in Oxford with Robert Cordoba and Cat, plus the freestyle in the evening? :waycool: :waycool:

Hi... I am going, and so is Cruella.. I am only doing the freestyle in the evening though; Cruella I think is doing the workshop. (hope i got that right.)
See you there!

JAN
:cheers:

Msfab
31st-March-2006, 09:02 AM
I really want to have a go at WCS. Does anyone know where the nearest place is to Finchley North London?

As far as I know, You have Twickenham on Wednesdays and dartford on Thursday - both by Cat and Lee. Then there is Paul Warden in Esher. Heres a site that might help - http://www.fusiondance.freeservers.com/catalog.html

Missy D
31st-March-2006, 09:06 AM
Thank Msfab:hug: Looks like Twickers is my nearest! Hopefully, see everyone there.:clap:

jacksondonut
31st-March-2006, 09:26 AM
Thank Msfab:hug: Looks like Twickers is my nearest! Hopefully, see everyone there.:clap:

Oh Goody!! we will look forward to that..
:flower: :flower:

Minnie M
31st-March-2006, 10:07 AM
DON'T FORGET
ROBERT CORDOBA will be taking the class at BFF Hipsters next Friday 7th April

Lory
31st-March-2006, 10:18 AM
DON'T FORGET
ROBERT CORDOBA will be taking the class at BFF Hipsters next Friday 7th April

Thanks Minnie :cheers:

Franco hasn't put it on his website yet, so how are Non-forumites expected to find out about these things :confused:

Tessalicious
31st-March-2006, 11:48 AM
how are Non-forumites expected to find out about these thingsI think you're missing the point - non-forumites aren't supposed to find out about these things. Otherwise, how would these events be kept exclusive enough?

Rhythm King
31st-March-2006, 12:04 PM
Then again, how many non-WCS dancing non-forumites know who Robert Cordoba is anyway?

Minnie M
31st-March-2006, 12:59 PM
Thanks Minnie :cheers:

Franco hasn't put it on his website yet, so how are Non-forumites expected to find out about these things :confused:

It's on my list - hope that helps :flower:

Geordieed
31st-March-2006, 01:41 PM
I would love to check but wouldn't that mean that Robert is teaching the same night that the people who do WCS in this country have their usual class on a Friday night at Esher. Does that not create competition on that night.

The same people help the instructors from America put together workshops and ti's the people who attend weekly classes and support the growth of the dance in this country that attend these workshops eg. this very weekend. I know that Robert has to make his money and the dance is promoted more but it is a shame that some may have to loose out.

Minnie M
31st-March-2006, 02:23 PM
I would love to check but wouldn't that mean that Robert is teaching the same night that the people who do WCS in this country have their usual class on a Friday night at Esher. Does that not create competition on that night.......

Robert told me about Hipsters in Boston, he said Annalisa wanted him to do a class, but it clashed with something Cat had planned - bit of a confusion as Annalisa is in Oz at the moment (or was at the time)

I emailed Franco last night to confirm the booking - which his passed to Nigel, who confirmed this


The same people help the instructors from America put together workshops and ti's the people who attend weekly classes
Not necessarily so..... I asked Robert if I could organise he schedule, but his dates had already been sorted by Cat., his trip to Scotland was requested by Lindsay.

Robert's main concern is to get as many dancers doing WCS in the UK as possible, and he has been our front man from the States for about 6 or 7 years now - he goes were people book him. I am sooooo pleased John & Wes have booked him for Southport - he was originally booked there last year but had prior comittments.

Geordieed
31st-March-2006, 04:53 PM
It is fantastic to see more events big and small as well as some of the very best the dance has to offer are coming over with increasing frequency. I was just sparing a thought for any loss of money from the people who week in week out put together classes.

[QUOTE=Minnie M]Not necessarily so..... I asked Robert if I could organise he schedule, but his dates had already been sorted by Cat., his trip to Scotland was requested by Lindsay.QUOTE]


The full sentence read:

'The same people help the instructors from America put together workshops and ti's the people who attend weekly classes and support the growth of the dance in this country that attend these workshops eg. this very weekend.'

I was also making part reference to the people who come through the door and pay on a weekly basis. Without this money the weekly venues would not exist. I am hoping to make both Esher and Hipsters on the same night.

jacksondonut
31st-March-2006, 06:41 PM
I am hoping to make both Esher and Hipsters on the same night.

Will be lovely to see you again. Thanks for your patience at the WCS class last week... it was lovely to dance with you.. :flower:

Jan
:cheers:

Paul F
2nd-April-2006, 02:06 AM
After my reply on another thread about the short lived WCS event in Oxford tonight :mad: I wanted to post to get peoples opinion on WCS classes in London.

One of the reasons my attendance at these classes has dropped off recently has been down to other dance commitments and, significantly, the lack of freestyle time you get.

Most of the WCS classes around start at, roughly, 8 oclock. They have a 1 hour beginners lesson followed by 2 or 3 tracks then another 1 hour long intermediate lesson. As the timing at any lesson anywhere invariably lapses it is routine to get maybe 1 hour or less freestyle time on a normal class night.

Would it not make more sense to cut the lessons down to 45 minutes and give people longer to practice at the end?

Fair enough when things started there wouldnt have been the people to stay for a freestyle but, as there are now some good WCS enthusiasts, wouldnt a longer freestyle session be preferred? :confused:

The second reason I would like to see this is because I find an hour long class to be quite a trek. I know people have differing opinions on Ceroc but from what I can see their format for an evening is one which really works.

Kev F
2nd-April-2006, 12:37 PM
:yeah: To Paul F

WCS from a beginners perspective.

We began our WCS lessons approx two months ago and I think our total lessons are still in single figures. It is difficult in comparison to MJ, but we love it and will continue the WCS journey, although we do have some obsevations from a beginners perspective.

Firstly, we have no doubt that the tuition we receive from Cat & Lee :respect: is probably the best in the country.

Lory tried a class about 18 months ago and was pleasantly surpised to see it was the same faces. Although the class obviously needs to be set at the required standard for the majority, who were hardened swingers:nice:. The lovely thing was that Cat invites everyone to do both classes and once your brain overloads, you can sit out and watch. There is a beginners class, as well as the intermediate, so everyone can learn something.

We have treated ourselves to some private lessons, which make us more aware of technique, but also opens our eyes to the complexity of the intermedite classes. Don't get me wrong, we love the challenge and we always have the choice to go to a MJ class if we wanted a no brainer. I would advise all beginners to try some private tuition (if they can afford it:flower:) with Cat or Lee as it fills you with such enthusiasm for the dance. There is no doubt that the foundations are sooooooooo important.

Returning to the post by Paul F:

Start time: If everyone knows you will start a class late then the will arrive late. If you'd booked a flight to spain at 8.00pm....would you arrive at ten past?. I don't think so. This isn't directed at late comers but means that the class will inevitably run later. (These comments don't take into consideration that people may just not be able to make it earlier, due to other commitments)

There is no doubt, that the amount of freestyle time is a deciding factor when I make my choice for an evening out. I love the WCS music/tempo, but we all need the time to practise what is learnt in the lesson.

If a class runs on to 10.30pm, then half an hour is not enough to practise. It's even more difficult with a partner, as you want to dance with all your friends and practise together a bit too. That means that we may get less WCS practise together than we would be able to get from the few WCS tracks at a MJ evening.

In order for WCS to grow any further, there needs to be as much encouragement to us beginners as possible. I imagine the drop out rate is probably as high as Argentine Tango.

Lastly, the lessons are too long. Two hours of tuition is a long haul. There needs to be enough time to teach figures well, but maybe not so many of them. Maybe a half hour beginners class and a 45min intermediate...then more freestyle time. :clap:

I don't doubt that my views may change as i get more experienced. I'm also sure it will be impossible for organisers to keep everybody happy all the time.

Paul F has a very good point that the ceroc strict start and finish time format does work. It also means that people can choose to arrive later and not do the classes if the so wish.

Finally, we love the dance and consider ourselves lucky to have access to such good teachers in the london area. If only there were more freestyles :sad:

I may just organise one!

Lory
2nd-April-2006, 01:02 PM
If a class runs on to 10.30pm, then half an hour is not enough to practise.


:yeah: I personally get frustrated when the lesson runs on late :(

I only get to dance twice a week and go home feeling a bit cheated if I don't get at LEAST an hours freestyling.

I understand that the teaching is more complex than MJ but as Kev said, maybe we could learn one less move?:blush: :flower:

The current format of late starts and classes running over, definitely makes us opt for a different style of dance occasionally :cool:

But we love it and WILL continue nevertheless! :clap:

Paul F
2nd-April-2006, 01:09 PM
But we love it and WILL continue nevertheless! :clap:

:yeah:

My main gripe is not really the late starting times, as this does happen quite regularly wherever you go, but rather the timetabled LONG classes and SHORT freestyle :(

I cant help but think that maybe more and more dancers will get to the point of wanting more freestyle time and, well, give up driving a distance to get there.

It only takes me 40 minutes to get to Kent house and about the same or just less to get to Twickenham. Even so I am reluctant to go because I know i wont get much chance to dance. Its a real shame because I do so enjoy it.

Zebra Woman
2nd-April-2006, 03:10 PM
:yeah:

My main gripe is not really the late starting times, as this does happen quite regularly wherever you go, but rather the timetabled LONG classes and SHORT freestyle :(

I cant help but think that maybe more and more dancers will get to the point of wanting more freestyle time and, well, give up driving a distance to get there.

It only takes me 40 minutes to get to Kent house and about the same or just less to get to Twickenham. Even so I am reluctant to go because I know i wont get much chance to dance. Its a real shame because I do so enjoy it.

I feel exactly the same way. Like Lory I need a one hour freestyle MINIMUM (preferably two hours) to justify the expense and the journey. Plus I feel like I haven't danced if I spend two hours in classes have a tiny freetyle and then drive home.

I have given up trying to learn WCS for this very reason :sad: . Sad because I really love it. If a class started up within an hour of my house with a long freestyle I would be right there. That's a promise.

jacksondonut
2nd-April-2006, 03:12 PM
Have just read through Paul/Kev/Lory's previous posts..

I really am a rank beginner and keen enough to travel down to london once a week, to get the opportunity to learn this fabulous WCS!! We HAVE to leave MK at 6.00pm to get to the class more or less on time.. (traffic conditions being ok of course..) Boy, would I love to be able to practice more often, but have no where else to go, and like most people a lot of other commitments too. The only other opportunities are far and few between.

Cat and Lee ARE worth the trek down to Twickenham, ARE worth the long and sometimes complicated classes (for a beginner of course) with which I struggle after about 30/45 minutes of concentration.. and it IS worth the very late night, getting home around l.00am. :yeah: It would be great if there were more people out there teaching. I just hope it will be in the near future that this takes off in a BIG way.

Returning to the length of the lessons, Well, yes as a beginner, I can only take so much tuition... before my brain turns to mush,:eek: and I am more than ready to practice what I have learned, freestyling afterwards. :D Yes, there could be a little more time for that and maybe a slightly shorter lesson would be the answer, providing it started on time. If I were late for the lesson, I would just have to try and catch up. I would not mind if they had already began. Having so far to travel, being caught up in traffic is quite a likelihood.!!

Anyway, heres to the day that WCS is as easy to find as MJ... I await that day with great anticipation.....:clap: :clap:

*just hope I havent reached my pension by that time...*
:whistle:

Kev F
2nd-April-2006, 04:03 PM
If I were late for the lesson, I would just have to try and catch up. I would not mind if they had already began. Having so far to travel, being caught up in traffic is quite a likelihood.!!


I'd show you the lesson after if you missed the beginning:blush: .....assuming I could remember :confused: :D

I travel from Rickmansworth and it takes me over an hour sometimes...and I'm only a few miles away.

:respect: To the long distance travellers. :flower:

(I vowed I woouldn't post beyond 100, to prove I wasn't a forum addict and I've blown it now!:rofl: Can't ever see me reaching 5000 like David James.)

Paul F
2nd-April-2006, 04:04 PM
I know some people at different parts of the country are looking to get to a level where they can at least introduce West Coast to their locale. This may help spread the word.

Otherwise I'm worried more people, like those we have heard from, wont be able to continue. :(
Of course I am guilty of not adding to the attendances but, until the freestyle issue is rectified, I cannot justify travelling.

jacksondonut
2nd-April-2006, 04:29 PM
I'd show you the lesson after if you missed the beginning:blush: .....assuming I could remember :confused: :D

I travel from Rickmansworth and it takes me over an hour sometimes...and I'm only a few miles away.

:respect: To the long distance travellers. :flower:

(I vowed I woouldn't post beyond 100, to prove I wasn't a forum addict and I've blown it now!:rofl: Can't ever see me reaching 5000 like David James.)


Aaaahh bless you Kev :blush: you would need a fair bit of patience..:rofl:
thankyou for your kind offer, is very much appreciated. :flower: :flower:

I guess If we are keen enough to learn, we will try that bit harder to get there on time.. (hate missing anything...!) We did think of going by train, but it seemed even more complicated...:what: :sad: So, for us, its down the motorway....

I would love more chaps to practice on (gives those with broken toes, a chance to heal...:rofl: ) so will have to be patient until such time the numbers increase. :yeah:

I suppose an hour afterwards would be a reasonable time to practice.. any more than that would be better, but WCS isnt easy for me to pick up quickly. I really need the expert tuition too.. so at the moment the lessons are of the most benefit to me, until I gain some confidence..


:cheers:

Minnie M
2nd-April-2006, 08:19 PM
After having spent 3 days of workshops in Boston with the best WCS teachers in the WORLD :respect: and 4 nights dancing to 4am with experienced WCS dancers, I have come back to the UK and I need to dance WCS :tears: but where and who with :sad:

All I have learnt will fade away very shortly - so I will just have to save for another visit across the pond :rolleyes:

Such a shame, I agree with posts above, we need the freestyle almost as much as the classes, without the practice we will not only forget, we will also loose the confidence to dance it. :sad:

Mary
2nd-April-2006, 10:58 PM
Returning to the length of the lessons, Well, yes as a beginner, I can only take so much tuition... before my brain turns to mush,:eek: and I am more than ready to practice what I have learned, freestyling afterwards. :D Yes, there could be a little more time for that and maybe a slightly shorter lesson would be the answer, providing it started on time. If I were late for the lesson, I would just have to try and catch up. I would not mind if they had already began. Having so far to travel, being caught up in traffic is quite a likelihood.!!



I think it's OK at a MJ class to arrive late and catch up, as it's only really moves that are taught. However, I think it is better to start the class late (if people are struggling with traffic etc) and cut the end of the lesson, as the beginning of the lessons are more crucial as that is when the fundamentals of technique are taught.

I find it very frustrating having spent the first part of the lesson learning particular key factors to do something and then a guy turns up late and then says 'I've just arrived what have you done so far?' Far better to watch and wait and then join in once you've figured out what is being taught. OK, I may have been guilty of this myself in the past, but I have also found the greater benefit of watching first then deciding if I have gathered enough to be able to join in late.

M

Geordieed
3rd-April-2006, 09:45 AM
I having attended the classes for WCS for some time I know that the teachers are a friendly approachable bunch. I also know that in London the people who have supported the classes for some time are a fantastic bunch of people as well. Through thick and thin people have stood by the organisers the teachers and the dance.


If there are ways to improve the evenings then great. Why don't you guys talk to the teachers and have a show of hands on who would like what. I am all for the majority decision. If there a ways to attract more people then all the better. And if it means more people coming on a weekly basis for month upon month then all the better too.


One word of caution. Even with changes made for the better we will still get people complaining about something. It's just a human condition. Venues have suffered in the past because of it (even some venues have closed). People have been chased away from this forum because of it.

jacksondonut
3rd-April-2006, 10:09 AM
I think it's OK at a MJ class to arrive late and catch up, as it's only really moves that are taught. However, I think it is better to start the class late (if people are struggling with traffic etc) and cut the end of the lesson, as the beginning of the lessons are more crucial as that is when the fundamentals of technique are taught.

I find it very frustrating having spent the first part of the lesson learning particular key factors to do something and then a guy turns up late and then says 'I've just arrived what have you done so far?' Far better to watch and wait and then join in once you've figured out what is being taught. OK, I may have been guilty of this myself in the past, but I have also found the greater benefit of watching first then deciding if I have gathered enough to be able to join in late.

M

Thanks. Very valid points. That makes a lot of sense too.. those who have done all of the class are then more able to convey that to anyone who has missed the beginning of the lesson.. :flower:

I guess it also makes sense to give the teachers some feedback, bless them they are not mindreaders, and to keep the class going has to be the most important issue for us all..

:cheers:

spikey blond
3rd-April-2006, 03:58 PM
We have to remember that WCS is really in its infancy here and we are privileged in the London/Southeast area to have such fine teachers at our disposal. We do however rely on the patience, goodwill and enthusiasm of this very small group of teachers who are giving us their time and energy in an attempt to get greater numbers interested, so that WCS becomes a force to be reckoned with. The format of the evenings may not be to everyone's liking but better to suggest improvements than to stop attending. There is a real risk that if numbers at the venues diminish it will not be viable for the teachers to continue with the classes which would be a sore loss to all us WCS enthusiasts - CEROC may well be able to weather lean times, but the private teachers would never be able to do so with rising costs of venues etc.
Please let's give them as much support as possible.

Perhaps we could suggest the occasional freestyle mid-week evening with teachers in attendance to answer queries, give a bit of critique without actually teaching new moves, then those who really just fancy freestyle and no class would be satisifed too and others could consolidate moves from previous lessons- any views??

Kev F
3rd-April-2006, 04:36 PM
....We do however rely on the patience, goodwill and enthusiasm of this very small group of teachers who are giving us their time and energy in an attempt to get greater numbers interested, so that WCS becomes a force to be reckoned with.

:yeah: :respect: to the teachers.


The format of the evenings may not be to everyone's liking but better to suggest improvements than to stop attending. There is a real risk that if numbers at the venues diminish it will not be viable for the teachers to continue with the classes which would be a sore loss to all us WCS enthusiasts

:yeah: I think everyone loves the lessons but would like longer free styles too :confused: I don't think there is an easy resolution, as it's personal preference on the night, as to our individual requirements.



Please let's give them as much support as possible.

They have our unconditional support! :hug: (That hug was for Cat. It can be a manly embrace for Lee)


Perhaps we could suggest the occasional freestyle mid-week evening with teachers in attendance to answer queries, give a bit of critique without actually teaching new moves, then those who really just fancy freestyle and no class would be satisifed too and others could consolidate moves from previous lessons- any views??

:yeah: I like it. I do believe that the consolidating what's been learnt is of extreme importance in WCS. It is a difficult one for the teachers, as they have put so much hard work into establishing WCS and change can be a scary thing for fear of losing dancers. Maybe a once a month trial freestyle with maybe a shorter/or no lesson.

Kev F
3rd-April-2006, 04:48 PM
WHO ARE YOU?????

Lory and I wondered who the 55 West Coast Swingers were on the forum???

We know the obvious few and would like to know your general location, so we can determine the best possible freestyle location for us all.

Please pm me your details and I will post a map plotting everyones locality :nice:

ie: Kev F - Rickmansworth, Herts

Tessalicious
3rd-April-2006, 04:55 PM
Me!

...but I haven't been along to one of Cat's Wednesdays for so long, I think I've forgotten how. I'll go again soon now that the evenings are lighter and it is less scary for little old me to get to an unknown venue from an unknown tube station. But I'm sure there is potential for a wider variety of locations for WCS classes, rather than the current situation where anyone based in West London/Surrey has all the fun, so if anyone wants to volunteer to set one up in, say, North London, please don't let me stop you. Please, please...

DavidB
3rd-April-2006, 05:00 PM
You can't learn WCS the way you learn MJ. MJ is a simple dance, and it is possible to make reasonable progress without having to concentrate on basic technique.

But for WCS you need the basics right. The technique is there for a reason. You will not improve at WCS by practicing your mistakes too much.

Cat & Lee are far better dancers than everyone who has contributed to this thread. I would give them the benefit of the doubt as to how WCS should be taught.

Kev F
3rd-April-2006, 05:18 PM
You can't learn WCS the way you learn MJ. MJ is a simple dance, and it is possible to make reasonable progress without having to concentrate on basic technique.

But for WCS you need the basics right. The technique is there for a reason. You will not improve at WCS by practicing your mistakes too much.

Cat & Lee are far better dancers than everyone who has contributed to this thread. I would give them the benefit of the doubt as to how WCS should be taught.

:yeah: Probably better dancers than anyone on the forum.

I don't doubt they are the perfect examples of WCS teachers and i don't think anyone has said they are not, but I think people are looking for a little more freestyle opportunities. Not necessarily within their class time, but maybe the occasional freestyle. I understand that many have probably walked this path before but the interest on this thread is generally promoting peoples enthusiasm for the dance, because they want more. Maybe it is down to us individuals to promote our own freestyles as we understand the busy schedules of these teachers.


But for WCS you need the basics right. The technique is there for a reason. You will not improve at WCS by practicing your mistakes too much.

:yeah: Technique and practise for most of us needs to come in equal quantities, so spikey blondes suggestion for a WCS teacher attended freestyle, is quite appealing.

Rhythm King
3rd-April-2006, 05:30 PM
Don't forget there's currently a WCS venue in Dartford, as well. Although the West London venues do seem to be going further and further West :sad: We need somewhere more central, but until the numbers pick up, I think it would be too expensive.

I seem to be in a minority, but I like the 1 hour class format as I enjoy the extra attention to detail one gets in a longer class. But I also appreciate we would like more freestyle to put all that learning to use. Perhaps we can get a WCS room attached to an established freestyle, or somewhere that starts off as a WCS room and only become a Blues room much later, perhaps.

I wouldn't want to see the classes start any earlier either, otherwise I just couldn't get to them in time.

R-K :flower:

Missy D
3rd-April-2006, 05:37 PM
I will try my hardest to get to Twickenham on wednesday. Any ideas how long it may take from Finchley? I the know the North Circular can be really busy at times. Oh my first WCS lesson.:nice:

Cruella
3rd-April-2006, 05:39 PM
You were all given a WCS freestyle on sat at Oxford. So why wasn't everyone there? :confused: Unless these things are supported by all who ask for them, there can't really be complaints about them not happening.:rolleyes:

Lory
3rd-April-2006, 05:41 PM
You can't learn WCS the way you learn MJ. MJ is a simple dance, and it is possible to make reasonable progress without having to concentrate on basic technique.

But for WCS you need the basics right. :yeah:

And I think this is why Kev said this! :flower:


Firstly, we have no doubt that the tuition we receive from Cat & Lee is probably the best in the country.

~snip~
We have treated ourselves to some private lessons,
~snip~

I would advise all beginners to try some private tuition (if they can afford it) with Cat or Lee, as it fills you with such enthusiasm for the dance. There is no doubt that the foundations are sooooooooo important.

I agree with you David and that's why we have our lessons with them :waycool: but to have all these lessons and not have time to actually enjoy the fun of freestyle dancing it, doesn't really fill me joy :sick:

Apart from the lack of freestyle, as I said before, i absolutely love it! :cheers:

Keith J
3rd-April-2006, 06:04 PM
Hi ladies & gents:nice: as one of the 'hardcore', all you are saying is worthy!
The word on the street is we are concerned regarding critical mass of WCS, its continued growth, and the scope for free style evenings is growing monthly.
So how has it got to where it is today? Absolute dedication, from Paul Warden,Catriona, Lee, :respect: :cool: and those who support behind the scenes the wonderful ever tireless Angie, John, Graham the DJ.
We can even extend the heroes list to Marilene (Jive Bug) & Annalisa & Simon (Ceroc Surrey) both sticking their necks out supporting venues where it has been obviously running at a loss at times. I would not be at all surprised if Cat, Lee & Paul had not taken financial hits along the way either. The list is goes on, Robert & Deborah Cordoba:respect: also now here regularly , Jordan & Tatiana, Kyle & sarah & Steve Nareen all making huge efforts to get across the pond.
So we need to go encourage our dance friends and colleagues, in the most positive light possible. We need fresh dancers across the door and some ready to make the journey.
I am some basic introduction classes can be sorted as launch pads.

The way I found wcs and thought it was ideal to add style & flare having hit a flat plateau in jive.
This is a poweful tool to draw people into try wcs, as how many of us have been there asking 'where next' with jive?
If we want freestyle lets have some ideas for venues, locations and agree a whats good day of the week? I would say the Sunday tea dance seems ideal due to the availability of venues and free time:clap:
We can make this happen I would like to think the gift to make it happen is within us.

Minnie M
3rd-April-2006, 06:10 PM
What short memories some of you have ............WCS has been around in the UK for many many years. I remember how excited I was when I first saw it - and I tried so hard to keep the classes going (there were classes scattered all over the UK at the time) - lack of interest caused most of them to stop, but Lily and David Barker continued to teach WCS at weekenders etc., Jive Bug, Rebel Yell etc., etc. and without that it would definitely have died.

Paul, Cat & Lee (and not forgetting the lovely Sally) are fab dancers and really do look amazing when they dance but we owe the survival of West Coast Swing to David and Lily Barker IMHO the best WCS teachers we have, their patience and their help is on tap anytime and sometimes anywhere :respect: :respect:

However, hopefully with this new found interest from the Line Dancing World of WCS dancers/teachers it will not only continue to survive it will grow and grow - or maybe we should tap into their market for more teaching talent :flower: there must be Line Dancing dancers of their ability scattered all over the UK

Bringing the US masters over here is very very costly :sad:

jacksondonut
3rd-April-2006, 06:33 PM
I will try my hardest to get to Twickenham on wednesday. Any ideas how long it may take from Finchley? I the know the North Circular can be really busy at times. Oh my first WCS lesson.:nice:

Great!! looking forward to seeing you there.:clap: :clap:

:flower: :flower:

Geordieed
3rd-April-2006, 06:42 PM
I agree the best way to register your vote on any of the issues being discussed here is by supporting the venues and getting involved.

You know WCS is taught and danced in Scotland but I can't recall hearing one murour of complaint or negativety from one of them. Perhaps those of us in the south should learn something there. Afterall people are using their forum for a good old grump.

Lory
3rd-April-2006, 06:47 PM
Afterall people are using their forum for a good old grump.
I must be reading it differently from you then :confused:

It seems to me, most people are praising WCS and the teachers that teach it..

Is it wrong to want a little be more of something you like?:innocent:

Minnie M
3rd-April-2006, 07:07 PM
I must be reading it differently from you then :confused:

It seems to me, most people are praising WCS and the teachers that teach it..

Is it wrong to want a little be more of something you like?:innocent:
:yeah: :yeah:
Having spent 6 days in the company of some the main WCS group from Scotland, they too have their little moans - but most are not regular forum users. Have to say their real moan was not enough men - but we have that problem down south too :sad:

Southern dancers watch out for Brady Rogers & Dave Hancock, their WCS is getting really :drool: now :clap:

And.... for you fellas, Jennifer is amazing :worthy: but not far behind her you must grab a dance with Jenni, Susan and Linda, you will not be disappointed

However, all WCS dancers, be new to the dance or been around a few years (like moi) we all are keen to establish the dance firmly in the UK - therefore all our comments are actually positive :clap: :clap:

Kev F
3rd-April-2006, 07:13 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:

All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 42 or more to find??

Missy D
3rd-April-2006, 07:31 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:

All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 42 or more to find??


I will be the newbie this week! see post 200:nice: :nice:

spikey blond
3rd-April-2006, 09:02 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:

All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 42 or more to find??

Hey what about me - in sunny Guildford then:sad: ??

Paul F
3rd-April-2006, 09:04 PM
If there are ways to improve the evenings then great. Why don't you guys talk to the teachers and have a show of hands on who would like what. I am all for the majority decision. If there a ways to attract more people then all the better. And if it means more people coming on a weekly basis for month upon month then all the better too.


I too have always advocated talking to the teachers but in my case I dont feel as though I have any right. As I have been out of the loop so to speak for some time I think it would be rude to start suggesting changes to the format.
The format is not why I stopped going though. It was other commitments rather than not enjoying the night. I would still like to go to more but I find my brain turns to mush after a long day at work and 2 hours of classes so its really only the longer freestyle that would tempt me week in, week out.
To totally contradict myself I am going to try and get to Twickenham on Wednesday. This last weekend made me realise how much I miss WCS.





But for WCS you need the basics right. The technique is there for a reason. You will not improve at WCS by practicing your mistakes too much.

Cat & Lee are far better dancers than everyone who has contributed to this thread. I would give them the benefit of the doubt as to how WCS should be taught.

Its all about where you draw the line. I would argue that for 'most' people 2 hours of tuition would be too much after a day at work. If the current teachers were looking to turn people into WCS pro's then fair enough but I cant see a future in that. Like MJ, I think its more likely to survive by allowing people enough time to process what they learn and leveraging the fun, social side of WCS as well as very good, but shorter, lessons.
You dont learn anything by practising your mistakes too much but you wouldnt spend every hour of every day learning.

Luckily, in this case, Cat, Lee and Paul W are great teachers but I disagree that because someone is a good dancer that we should assume they know how to format classes and teach well.

Kev F
3rd-April-2006, 09:17 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley

All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 39 or more to find??

Msfab
4th-April-2006, 09:33 AM
All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 39 or more to find??

Youd better add
Keith J - Bagshot
Limpy Tink - Twickers
PuddyTat - North london somewhere?
and have you purposely left off
Geordieed - London somewhere:devil:

Ill leave you to do the Maths Kev!

robd
4th-April-2006, 09:47 AM
IIRC I probably clicked Love It despite the fact that my total WCS experience is about 1 hour of beginner's lessons. Nonetheless, mark me down as Cambridge.


Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:


Ooh, light the blue paper and retire......

Msfab
4th-April-2006, 10:16 AM
Ooh, light the blue paper and retire......
You young man!:mad:


I thought Id pass this on from Cat


5. West Coast Swing Wednesdays Needs You!

WESTCOAST SWING WEDNESDAYS only works with you. So if you would like to be part of the growth of WCS in the UK, come and support this night and I can assure you won't be disappointed;
Two brilliant classes: WCS "FUNdamentals" at 8pm, Intermediates at 9pm
Dedicated WCS freestyle till 11pm
Cutting edge WCS music blending smooth tunes and funky beats
A warm and social crowd of fellow West Coast Swing enthusiasts
An intimate dance hall adjacent to a welcoming pub serving good food
Free street parking
Close to St. Margaret's Rail and other public transport (listed on website)
All for just 7 pounds


Ill just add my view. I was at first reluctant to start WCS because of the 'complicated footwork' part of it, coming for Ceroc (MJ):rolleyes: . But once I got over that little hurdle which wasnt very long - its not all that complicated. I wish Id found WCS much sooner, I love the style, the music and everyone is so willing to help you improve. WCS has only helped my MJ. When it starts to fall into place it feels amazing. Heres hoping it goes from strength to strength:cheers:

Rhythm King
4th-April-2006, 10:21 AM
Ooh, light the blue paper and retire......

Given that you're in Cambridge, shouldn't that be light the light blue touch paper?

Anyway I just to add to the list of WCS UK heroes mentioned above, possibly the finest WCS DJ in the country (IMHO) - SHEEPMAN!! :worthy:

Heather
4th-April-2006, 10:31 AM
:yeah: :yeah:
Having spent 6 days in the company of some the main WCS group from Scotland, they too have their little moans - but most are not regular forum users. Have to say their real moan was not enough men - but we have that problem down south too :sad:


However, all WCS dancers, be new to the dance or been around a few years (like moi) we all are keen to establish the dance firmly in the UK - therefore all our comments are actually positive :clap: :clap:
:yeah:


West Coast Swing has been going on here in Scotland for at least 6 years, my first experience of it was with Graham and Diane from Glasgow about 5 years ago.( Now sadly, no longer a partnership).
Brady + Lindsay have been teaching West Coast Swing in Edinburgh and Dundee for quite a while now and there is a regular group of dancers who are very enthusiastic.( and developing very nicely)
Unlike the folks down south, we are not shouting for 'WestCoast Swing 'freestyles, because we can dance WCS with the people we know at our normal MJ freestyles. We have a couple of fab DJ's up here who play enough music suitable for WCS .
Perhaps there are more of you doing WCS down south and that's why you want a freestyle devoted to WCS?
At the moment, us Scots seem to be more content to develop our dancing skills through learning the dance in classes,then practising with like minded people at the MJ freestyles.

PS Minnie don't forget Lindsay - she is a fabulous WCS dancer too, although she didn't take the trip across to the US!!

:hug:

jacksondonut
4th-April-2006, 12:35 PM
''To totally contradict myself I am going to try and get to Twickenham on Wednesday. This last weekend made me realise how much I miss WCS. ''

Brilliant!! love it when you contradict yourself.:clap: :clap:
Hope you make it tomorrow night.. be great to have you.xx

:cheers:

Almost an Angel
4th-April-2006, 01:28 PM
Only 39 or more to find??

What about me??
I know I've been a one armed little Angel for a month but I'm still a WCS nut.
And I'm getting back into the WCS - Where were you all on Friday?

Angel xx

Amir
4th-April-2006, 02:20 PM
:yeah:

Unlike the folks down south, we are not shouting for 'WestCoast Swing 'freestyles, because we can dance WCS with the people we know at our normal MJ freestyles. We have a couple of fab DJ's up here who play enough music suitable for WCS .

:hug:

Yeah! I do not go to many Ceroc Venues, but when I do I always find a good number of tracks which are great for WCS. And at Kent House Mondays, Funky Lush and the T-Jive there are loads of WCSable tracks. Don’t forget, if a DJ like Toby sees lots of people doing WCS, he'll play even more.

I think opening up more WCS venues at a time when existing ones are barely covering costs would be dance scene suicide! More venues with less people will result in less venues with less people than which you started.

I agree that two hours of classes is a lot, but why not just do one of the classes? 7 pounds for one class is a good deal, I think. For a good ballet class you'll pay £8, and for tango £10! And that is with zero freestyle time included.

More freestyle time on Wednesdays would be great though. But neither Cat or Lee read the forum. Best way to get your views across is to email Cat at cat@westcoastswing.co.uk or to fill out one of the feedback forms that are on the table every Wednesday!

Here is a tip from someone who organizes stuff: One complaint is never convincing. A lot of people have to say the same thing before I would change the format of something I am running. As an organizer you get a lot of strange one-off suggestions, believe me.


And finally, if the success of wcs is important to you, I think your focus should be on getting new people interested in the dance, not opening new venues! Even an organization as big as Ceroc understand the importance of always getting new people. Ceroc have access to the best venues, great teachers, great djs, a huge mailing list and packed venues, yet they are continually out on the streets busking, handing out fliers, and getting new people interested in the dance.

You may not have the time to organise a busk. But if everyone simply tried to bring one new person to the scene once a month, in a very short time all your wcs dreams will come true. Extended freestyles, more venues, weekenders, competitions and warm fuzzy wcs feelings.

I guarantee it.

Subject to terms and conditions.

Restrictions may apply.

Kev F
4th-April-2006, 04:22 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Scotland
Dave Hancock - Scotland
Brady - Scotland
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays :whistle: ):wink:
Heather - Scotland
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - ??
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Heaven ??
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - ??
Wicked Blue - S.London??
Anna - Auckland
David B - ??
Lily - ??
Tessalicious - Kentish Town

All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 15 or more to find??

Geordieed
4th-April-2006, 04:44 PM
Georgdieed - Scotland?



I thought the commute was a bit much every day. Now it all become clear.

Kev F
4th-April-2006, 05:02 PM
Yeah! I do not go to many Ceroc Venues, but when I do I always find a good number of tracks which are great for WCS. And at Kent House Mondays, Funky Lush and the T-Jive there are loads of WCSable tracks. Don’t forget, if a DJ like Toby sees lots of people doing WCS, he'll play even more.

I agree wish the Funky-Lush, Kent House Mondays & T-Jives :respect:
Unfortunately most Ceroc venues play very little and when they do we're clambering like lunatics for the people who with which we can dance ! :rofl:
But.........Berkhamstead on Sundays with Marc & Rachel in the Blues Room! :drool:


I think opening up more WCS venues at a time when existing ones are barely covering costs would be dance scene suicide! More venues with less people will result in less venues with less people than which you started.

This seems to be the case with all MJ venues at the moment. When I started MJ three years ago, there was a clearly defined place to be, but now everyone seems to be spread a little thin :sad:


I agree that two hours of classes is a lot, but why not just do one of the classes? 7 pounds for one class is a good deal, I think. For a good ballet class you'll pay £8, and for tango £10! And that is with zero freestyle time included.

:yeah: I totally agree...it is bloody good value!


More freestyle time on Wednesdays would be great though. But neither Cat or Lee read the forum. Best way to get your views across is to email Cat at cat@westcoastswing.co.uk or to fill out one of the feedback forms that are on the table every Wednesday!

Are you joking! .....I've seen Cat when she's angry......no way! :D All joking apart I may just pick up a form...wish me luck! :sick:


Here is a tip from someone who organizes stuff: One complaint is never convincing. A lot of people have to say the same thing before I would change the format of something I am running. As an organizer you get a lot of strange one-off suggestions, believe me.

Come on Amir.....you've got us all curious now????????????


And finally, if the success of wcs is important to you, I think your focus should be on getting new people interested in the dance, not opening new venues! Even an organization as big as Ceroc understand the importance of always getting new people. Ceroc have access to the best venues, great teachers, great djs, a huge mailing list and packed venues, yet they are continually out on the streets busking, handing out fliers, and getting new people interested in the dance.

This is quite true and numbers at ceroc need to be maintained for a number of reasons. I've covered the matter of choice above above. Also there seems to be many dancers who do more than one dance style nowdays, including myself, who want to maintain a happy balance of learning and fun. It is a shame there isn't a slightly smaller stepping stone between MJ and WCS, to encourage new people to transition at least once, or twice a month. This is probably no different to Jango and the method in which many people have been able to build confidence, in a MJ enviroment, to try Argentine Tango.
I only get to dance once or twice a week and some nights I need a less challenging night, so I go to ceroc. There is no doubt you need to be on your toes with WCS....but that's why we love it, the challenge of something new!


You may not have the time to organise a busk. But if everyone simply tried to bring one new person to the scene once a month, in a very short time all your wcs dreams will come true. Extended freestyles, more venues, weekenders, competitions and warm fuzzy wcs feelings. I guarantee it.

Since we've started I think I know of at least a dozen new people who have tried or are trying WCS :clap: Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Lastly, we adore the lessons taught by Cat & Lee, even if I can't do them very well :grin: :flower:

P.S: I have no intention of organising any event outside of the control of Cat, but would love to do what I can to promote WCS further as I enjoy it so much. :flower:

drathzel
4th-April-2006, 10:32 PM
Only 15 or more to find??

I used to wc in scotland (mainly glasgow) but now i just try and get a dance where i can! I have had a couple of lovely ones with R-K and sheepman in London recently :drool:

jacksondonut
6th-April-2006, 10:32 AM
Well, if last night was anything to go by, maybe things are looking up in the Twickenham area!! The floor was a lot busier than of late.. it was lovely to see so many people turn up..:clap: :clap:

Long may it continue in that vein!!:yeah:

Zebra Woman
6th-April-2006, 03:21 PM
Only 15 or more to find??

Zebra Woman - Milton Keynes :flower:

Northants Girly
6th-April-2006, 03:30 PM
Only 15 or more to find??
Northants Girly - Northampton :really:

jacksondonut
6th-April-2006, 03:33 PM
BRILLIANT.... the more the merrier...:flower: :flower:

Yippppeee
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Kev F
6th-April-2006, 05:06 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Scotland
Dave Hancock - Scotland
Brady - Scotland
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays :whistle: ):wink:
Heather - Scotland
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - ??
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Heaven ??
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - ??
Wicked Blue - S.London??
Anna - Auckland
David B - ??
Lily - ??
Tessalicious - Kentish Town
Zebra Woman - Milto Keynes
Northants Girly - Northampton
Drathzel - Glasgow
Amir - ??
Peter - Windsor
Carole - Edinburgh

All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 5 or more to find??

Missy D
6th-April-2006, 05:09 PM
Was so looking foward to going last night but, forgot i am the taxi in this house and had to take kids home at 8:angry:

Cant do next week as its Sedar night:sad: (no i am not but always get invited).

Hopefully, will be able to make it soon!:flower:

Shaz
9th-April-2006, 02:27 PM
What short memories some of you have ............WCS has been around in the UK for many many years. I remember how excited I was when I first saw it - and I tried so hard to keep the classes going (there were classes scattered all over the UK at the time) - lack of interest caused most of them to stop, but Lily and David Barker continued to teach WCS at weekenders etc., Jive Bug, Rebel Yell etc., etc. and without that it would definitely have died.

Paul, Cat & Lee (and not forgetting the lovely Sally) are fab dancers and really do look amazing when they dance but we owe the survival of West Coast Swing to David and Lily Barker IMHO the best WCS teachers we have, their patience and their help is on tap anytime and sometimes anywhere :respect: :respect:
:yeah: :worthy::yeah: :respect: :yeah: David & Lily Barker
I remember the classes they gave at Camber and Bognor :worthy: a few years ago AND after the class they both spent quite a bit of their own time explaining and showing both myself and my partner the moves from the class :clap: :hug: :yeah:
It is such a shame that my local organisers didn't bring them further north :sad:

I agree, without them West Coast Swing would have surely died - we owe them so much :flower:

Katie
9th-April-2006, 07:36 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Only 5 or more to find??

I can't remember if I have PM'ed you. Anyway I am a supporter of WCS! Great nightclub two-step and WCS workshop by Cat and Lee today. :clap:

Sheepman
10th-April-2006, 02:25 PM
Only 5 or more to find??
Here's 2 more, me, and Little Monkey, oh, and shouldn't Lindsay be on that list?

Greg

Sheepman
10th-April-2006, 04:37 PM
What short memories some of you have ............WCS has been around in the UK for many many years. Well Minnie some of us have been around a bit longer than others :tears:
I think my first WCS lesson was from Roger Chin, at Bognor, about 1997.

Greg

Minnie M
10th-April-2006, 06:14 PM
Well Minnie some of us have been around a bit longer than others :tears:
I think my first WCS lesson was from Roger Chin, at Bognor, about 1997.

Greg

:yeah: :clap: :yeah:

Roger learnt with the rest of us by Robert Cordoba when he first came to England - gosh was it that long ago :blush:

Fred & Beckie did the same "Teacher Training Classes" as Roger and they had a regular dance/class in Acton every Friday at that time - that is where we first met David & Lily Barker - they were soooooooo amazing we just queued up for dances with them :respect: I thought David was an American, he was so cool :waycool: especially with his crew cut :really: and Lily looked like an angel, so femine but with attitude.

My point is that David & Lily from that day on (10 years ago - didn't realise it was so long) have been so helpful and IMHO have kept the dance alive, but some people today don't appear to give them the credit they are due :sad:

Only Shaz seems to remember the time and effort they spent over the YEARS in order to keep WCS going.

And please don't forget Ralf Schiller - he hasn't stopped teaching WCS since those early days in 1996/7 and has a quite a following (bit it a gay audience) but is available for private classes and he is very very good.

AND...... Anna Naylor, she is still teaching WCS in Surbiton, a small class but it is still going (Anna used to teach WCS with Roi Forbes)

I must say that Paul and crew have actually made people sit up and look, their style is quite different, mainly because of their Line Dancing background - and they look amazing, no doubt about that :respect: And if that is what has put WCS back in the limelight, I have the utmost respect for them.... but remember WCS is not new in this country and the enthusiasm and excitement all you newby westies have, I, plus a few others have been there, only for it to die out after a few years.

Hopefully, this time round it will grow :flower:

PS: Big PS: Graham Fox & Diane were also on the same "Teachers" course with Robert Cordoba, and took it back to Scotland - Graham is still teaching and he is VERY good and now we have Lindsay & Brady, haven't seen them teaching but Brady is becoming a great WCS dancer:worthy: and has the enthusiasm and dedication to go with it - plus a great following (those Scots really know how to WCS):respect:

Heather
10th-April-2006, 06:16 PM
Here's 2 more, me, and Little Monkey, oh, and shouldn't Lindsay be on that list?

Greg


:yeah:

I should think so Greg !! Seeing as she and Brady have been teaching west Coast Swing up here in Edinburgh and more recently in Dundee - and making a great job of it too!!!!:respect: ( We have devotees making 600mile round trips for their classes :wink: )
:hug:
Heather

Kev F
10th-April-2006, 07:36 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Scotland
Dave Hancock - Scotland
Brady - Scotland
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays :whistle: ):wink:
Heather - Scotland
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - ??
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Heaven ??
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - ??
Wicked Blue - S.London??
Anna - Auckland
David B - ??
Lily - ??
Tessalicious - Kentish Town
Zebra Woman - Milto Keynes
Northants Girly - Northampton
Drathzel - Glasgow
Amir - ??
Peter - Windsor
Carole - Edinburgh
Sheepman - London ?
Little Monkey - London ?
Lindsay -Scotland
Katie - Hammersmith


All supporting forumites :clap:

Only 1 or more to find??

Minnie M
10th-April-2006, 09:52 PM
........AND...... Anna Naylor, she is still teaching WCS in Surbiton, a small class but it is still going (Anna used to teach WCS with Roi Forbes).........
Sorry I forgot, Nigel & Nina also teach WCS, and Nigel is a brilliant lead :worthy:

Heather
11th-April-2006, 09:03 AM
Little Monkey - Dundee, Scotland!!!!:wink:

:hug:
Heather

Msfab
11th-April-2006, 09:22 AM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Only 1 or more to find??

Theres Just wiggle (Woking) who I know has done WCS. And Anthea (also on the forum-London) whos a regular WCswinger on wednesdays.

TheTramp
11th-April-2006, 09:27 AM
I suppose that you can add me. I fall into the "Tried it. It's ok. Quite like some of the whip variations, which I now use when dancing with anyone. So, don't really see what the fuss is about. And let's face it, when you watch the top people actually doing it, what they are really doing is dancing to the music (very well, I may add), which you can do, no matter what style of dancing you can do" category.

Which wasn't on the list, which is why I haven't voted :rolleyes:

Alice
11th-April-2006, 09:34 AM
WHO ARE YOU?????

Lory and I wondered who the 55 West Coast Swingers were on the forum???

We know the obvious few and would like to know your general location, so we can determine the best possible freestyle location for us all.

Please pm me your details and I will post a map plotting everyones locality :nice:

ie: Kev F - Rickmansworth, Herts
Where did you get the 55 from? the poll above? If so you can add me- very baby WCSer, *just* (yesterday) moved to London:) I'll be there with bells on once I get settled! :clap:

jacksondonut
11th-April-2006, 10:57 AM
Where did you get the 55 from? the poll above? If so you can add me- very baby WCSer, *just* (yesterday) moved to London:) I'll be there with bells on once I get settled! :clap:

Hope you get settled soon Alice. Be lovely to meet you!! :flower::flower: Know you will enjoy it very much.:yeah:

Jan

:cheers:

Lindsay
11th-April-2006, 11:10 AM
Lory and I wondered who the 55 West Coast Swingers were on the forum???

Have you got Jenni, Jennifer, Brady & Dave Hancock!!

jacksondonut
11th-April-2006, 11:27 AM
Have you got Jenni, Jennifer, Brady & Dave Hancock!!

They are all on the list I believe.. (KevF has compiled one) :flower:

Kev F
11th-April-2006, 06:47 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Scotland
Dave Hancock - Scotland
Brady - Scotland
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays :whistle: ):wink:
Heather - Scotland
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - Frotshire :nice: :wink:
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Brighton
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - W.London
Wicked Blue - S.London
Anna - Auckland
David B - ??
Lily - ??
Tessalicious - Kentish Town
Zebra Woman - Milton Keynes
Northants Girly - Northampton
Drathzel - Glasgow
Amir - Twickenham
Peter - Windsor
Carole - Edinburgh
Sheepman - London
Little Monkey - Scotland
Lindsay -Scotland
Katie - Hammersmith
Jennifer - Scotland
Jenni - Scotland
Anthea - London ??
Just Wiggle - Woking


All supporting forumites :clap:

Only -3 or more to find??

Northants Girly
12th-April-2006, 10:50 AM
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Oh you mean somewhere like Rickmansworth? :whistle: :whistle: :D

Msfab
12th-April-2006, 11:06 AM
Oh you mean somewhere like Rickmansworth? :whistle: :whistle: :D

Thats no where near being Posh!:rolleyes:

Almost an Angel
12th-April-2006, 11:11 AM
Almost an Angel - Brighton

:confused: :confused:
Nope this little Angel lives near Guildford.

Kev F
12th-April-2006, 11:57 AM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Scotland
Dave Hancock - Scotland
Brady - Scotland
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays :whistle: ):wink:
Heather - Scotland
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - Frotshire :nice: :wink:
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Guilford-on-sea.
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - W.London
Wicked Blue - S.London
Anna - Auckland
David B - ??
Lily - ??
Tessalicious - Kentish Town
Zebra Woman - Milton Keynes
Northants Girly - Northampton
Drathzel - Glasgow
Amir - Twickenham
Peter - Windsor
Carole - Edinburgh
Sheepman - London
Little Monkey - Scotland
Lindsay -Scotland
Katie - Hammersmith
Jennifer - Scotland
Jenni - Scotland
Anthea - London ??
Just Wiggle - Woking


All supporting forumites :clap:

Only -3 or more to find??[/QUOTE]

Gadget
12th-April-2006, 01:16 PM
Don't you love how you get "Bristol...Bath...London...Woking..." and everyone up here is just "Scotland". :whistle::devil:

Heather
12th-April-2006, 01:28 PM
Don't you love how you get "Bristol...Bath...London...Woking..." and everyone up here is just "Scotland". :whistle::devil:


:yeah: :yeah:

Get used to it Gadget- us Scots have had that for hundreds of years!!!!!:sick:
It was only a matter of time before we had it on the Ceroc SCOTLAND forum !!! ( Where's William Wallace when you need him?:wink: )

:hug:
Heather,
xx

Tessalicious
12th-April-2006, 01:35 PM
...everyone up here is just "Scotland"Well, that's obviously because you guys all travel for miles so that you can all dance in all the same places across Scotland, so you seem much more willing to make an effort for the sake of dancing than most* of us lowly Southerners, honest :innocent: .

*yes, ZW and Cruella, I know you travel miles to London five times a week, I did say most...

TheTramp
12th-April-2006, 01:37 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably :devil:
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Glasgow
Dave Hancock - Glasgow (Aberdeen soon?)
Brady - Glasgow
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays :whistle: ):wink:
Heather - Dundee
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - Frotshire :nice: :wink:
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Brighton
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - W.London
Wicked Blue - S.London
Anna - Auckland
David B - London
Lily - London
Tessalicious - Kentish Town
Zebra Woman - Milton Keynes
Northants Girly - Northampton
Drathzel - Glasgow
Amir - Twickenham
Peter - Windsor
Carole - Edinburgh
Sheepman - London
Little Monkey - Dundee
Lindsay -Edinburgh
Katie - Hammersmith
Jennifer - Glasgow
Jenni - Edinburgh
Anthea - London
Just Wiggle - Woking
Trampy - Dundee

All supporting forumites :clap:

Only -3 or more to find??

There. All better now.

But please don't bother calling me William...

ducasi
12th-April-2006, 01:44 PM
There. All better now.
I thought you might have also put drathzel where she belongs... :wink:

Rhythm King
12th-April-2006, 01:48 PM
I thought you might have also put drathzel where she belongs... :wink:
I didn't think he was that brave! :eek:

R-K:wink:

Kev F
12th-April-2006, 04:16 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Glasgow
Dave Hancock - Glasgow (Aberdeen soon?)
Brady - Glasgow
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays )
Heather - Dundee
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - Frotshire
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Brighton
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - W.London
Wicked Blue - S.London
Anna - Auckland
David B - London
Lily - London
Tessalicious - Kentish Town
Zebra Woman - Milton Keynes
Northants Girly - Northampton
Drathzel - Glasgow
Amir - Twickenham
Peter - Windsor
Carole - Edinburgh
Sheepman - London
Little Monkey - Dundee
Lindsay -Edinburgh
Katie - Hammersmith
Jennifer - Glasgow
Jenni - Edinburgh
Anthea - London
Just Wiggle - Woking
Trampy - Dundee
Giddy/Giraffe - Rosyth
Crozza - Scotland (Region??)
Doc Martin - Scotland but heading for New Jersey :tears:
Alice - unsettled in London :D
Gadget - Cruden Bay
Drathzel - N.I. Franchise Owner (Didn't know they had Ceroc in North Italy :confused: :devil: :flower: )
Ducasi - Glasgow

A fantastic total of 67 WCS supporting forumties. :clap: :cheers:

TheTramp
12th-April-2006, 04:18 PM
Drathzel - Belfast now....

Giddy - Scotland (Region??)
Giraffe - Scotland (Region??)
Crozza - Edinburgh
Doc Martin - Scotland but heading for New Jersey :tears:


Giddy and Giraffe are actually one person!!

And, like DocMartin, she's currently in Rosyth, but heading to New Jersey :tears:

(Least unless we can persuade her to stay, but don't tell the Doc!)

ducasi
12th-April-2006, 04:43 PM
...
Drathzel - Glasgow
...
Drathzel - N.I. Franchise Owner (Didn't know they had Ceroc in North Italy :confused: :devil: :flower: )
...
Ducasi - Glasgow Sorry, but I've only ever done one WCS class, so I'm not sure I count... (I'd like to try some more, but the classes are in far-off places, like Edinburgh!)

I'll be having another go at it in Perth in just over a week's time though... :)

Msfab
12th-April-2006, 04:52 PM
Please pm me your details and I will post a map plotting everyones locality :nice:

Whens the WCS dancers Map going to be ready?:innocent:

Kev F
12th-April-2006, 05:03 PM
Whens the WCS dancers Map going to be ready?:innocent:

I will plot the WCS co-ordinates over the weekend....whilst stuffing my face full of easter eggs.

Will also search for the posh areas to locate MsFab! :D

DavidB
12th-April-2006, 05:06 PM
Will also search for the posh areas to locate MsFab!
Will this do?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=buckingham+palace&ll=51.5013,-0.1419&spn=0.0018,0.004973&t=h

robd
12th-April-2006, 05:14 PM
In the unlikely event anyone reading this thread hasn't already visited, I would advise pointing your browsers at

http://www.jordantatianaswing.com/

and following the Media link to enjoy four videos of the dynamic duo in action. Really enjoying the Boston Tea Party one.

Robert

drathzel
12th-April-2006, 05:31 PM
I didn't think he was that brave! :eek:

R-K:wink:

But feel free to try :devil:

drathzel
12th-April-2006, 05:33 PM
Kev F- I now live in Bangor in NI (northern Ireland, however should anyone want me to teach in Northern Italy, i'm avaliable)! But i learned how to WCS in Glasgow with Graham and Diane:clap:

LilyB
12th-April-2006, 08:57 PM
Results so far for the WCS map from this post! (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219165&postcount=195)

Jive P - Northampton
Cruella - Rugby
Rhythm King - Wapping E1
Simon - Bristol
Janice - Bristol
Keeley - Exeter
Steve - Bath
Dawn - Bath
Jackondonut - Milton Keynes
Linda - Milton Keynes
Kev F - Rickmansworth
Lory - Finchley
Ms Fab - Somewhere posh probably
Spikey Blonde - Guildford
Paul F - Woking
Missy D & hamster - Finchley
Chicklet - Glasgow
Dave Hancock - Glasgow (Aberdeen soon?)
Brady - Glasgow
Georgdieed - Scotland (but not on wednesdays )
Heather - Dundee
Donna - N.Wales
Lou - Chipping Sodbury
Puddy Tat- North London
Limpy Tink - Twickenham (Not far to go for you Toni!)
Keith J - Bagshot
Mary - West London
Silver Fox - Frotshire
Minne M - Hove
Clevedonboy - N.Somerset
Julia - N.Somerset
Kriss - Glasgow
Graham - Glasgow
Chef - Tunbridge Wells
Dawn S - Tunbridge Wells
Almost an Angel - Brighton
Spindr - Basingstoke
Chris A - W.London
Wicked Blue - S.London
Anna - Auckland
Tessalicious - Kentish Town
Zebra Woman - Milton Keynes
Northants Girly - Northampton
Drathzel - Belfast
Amir - Twickenham
Peter - Windsor
Carole - Edinburgh
Sheepman - London
Little Monkey - Dundee
Lindsay -Edinburgh
Katie - Hammersmith
Jennifer - Glasgow
Jenni - Edinburgh
Anthea - London
Just Wiggle - Woking
Trampy - Dundee
Giddy/Giraffe - Rosyth
Crozza - Scotland (Region??)
Doc Martin - Scotland but heading for New Jersey :tears:
Alice - unsettled in London :D
Gadget - Cruden Bay
Ducasi - Glasgow

A fantastic total of 67 WCS supporting forumties. :clap: :cheers:

So, how many of the above are entering the WCS section in the UK Dance Championships at Weston-Super-Mare? They could really do with your support.:flower:

Feelingpink
12th-April-2006, 09:21 PM
I will plot the WCS co-ordinates over the weekend....whilst stuffing my face full of easter eggs.

Will also search for the posh areas to locate MsFab! :DWhy don't you get the West Coasties to plot themselves using http://www.frappr.com That way, you have more time to work your way through Green & Black's finest.

Paul F
12th-April-2006, 11:08 PM
On the point of WCS classes working or not working.

I wonder if WCS could suffer because it doesnt paint the slicker, more night-out like image as, for example, a Ceroc class does.

I went to the Esher class a few weeks back. There was a small amount of people there. We had a fab teaching couple (Paul + Sally) but we also had a hall with no decent sound system, no lighting system at all, no bar and, as a result, no atmosphere.
I hate saying that as the last thing I would want is to put people off going but I wondered if anyone else would agree that this could be a deciding factor in whether someone goes to the class or not.

Im not too sure if this makes any sense. What im trying to get at is that the nights dont have the oompf of a normal MJ night. This is completely understandable as the organisers dont have the funds to back it up unless people go. Trouble is people wont go to a hall with a little stereo player in the corner when they can go to a different night with the works.

Its probably a catch 22 for a business. I am just looking at it from a newbie perspective - and I dont mean a newbie off the forum who already knows people, knows the make up of it etc.

Ok, I doubt any of that makes sense but i wanted to post my concerns anyway. I do still love WCS and, although I dont get to go, I really want it to work.


Just out of interest what are the west coast nights like in Scotland? ie. length of lessons, length of freestyle, venue type, equipment provisions (lighting) etc.

Msfab
13th-April-2006, 09:42 AM
So, how many of the above are entering the WCS section in the UK Dance Championships at Weston-Super-Mare? They could really do with your support.:flower:

Im going to Beach Boogie the saturday before the Weston champs, but will pop by if there is a WCS leader out there willing to enter with yours truely:innocent: to give support.

Heather
13th-April-2006, 10:23 AM
On the point of WCS classes working or not working.

I wonder if WCS could suffer because it doesnt paint the slicker, more night-out like image as, for example, a Ceroc class does.

I went to the Esher class a few weeks back. There was a small amount of people there. We had a fab teaching couple (Paul + Sally) but we also had a hall with no decent sound system, no lighting system at all, no bar and, as a result, no atmosphere.

Trouble is people wont go to a hall with a little stereo player in the corner when they can go to a different night with the works.

Just out of interest what are the west coast nights like in Scotland? ie. length of lessons, length of freestyle, venue type, equipment provisions (lighting) etc.


The West Coast Swing nights in Scotland are exactly what you seem to describe is NOT working in England.
However, I would stick my neck out and say that perhaps the Scottish crowd are more interested in 'learning the dance' than using the WCS night for socialising!
Way back when I learned with Graham and Diane, we had a small hall, no lighting or fancy sound systems and no bar. However we were so intent on learning the dance that we were quite happy with the jugs of water provided!!!
I have been through to Lindsay + Brady's Edinburgh class, it too is in a small hall, no fancy lighting + sound system, and no bar, in fact we bring our own drinks. Again, people come because they want to learn the dance.
Speaking for the Dundee monthly workshops, they are held on Saturday afternoons in a church hall, again no fancy lighting, just the borrowed CD player from my school ( a bit more powerful than average) and definitely no bar.
People up here come to WCS because they want to LEARN. They can go along to socialise at Ceroc nights, if that's what they want. They can even do both and many do.
We are not seeking to replicate what's happening at Ceroc- we are providing something different and challenging and place the emphasis on learning the dance, rather than chatting/ socialising/ having a drink with friends.

I suppose, in short, none of the things which you think are negative factors down South, seem to matter to us Scots!

:hug:
Heather

jacksondonut
13th-April-2006, 11:06 AM
I havent been around WCS for very long... but I love it.:flower:

My thoughts are as follows;

BECAUSE I have been in a much smaller hall, with a lot less people, listening/dancing to music that isnt so loud and overwhelming, being able to concentrate and learn what is on offer,(the teaching being of a very high standard), I have been all the more determined to keep going. These have been the PLUS points for me...:yeah:

As much as I have enjoyed the 'usual' MJ night out in the past, I have found that because it almost the opposite, WCS has been very much more attractive to me and have tried very hard to keep going with a lot more determination than I have had with the dance scene over the last few years.

A lot of the time MJ evenings have become (dare I say it) repetitive and boring for me...(there, I said it).. There seems to be a trend of deafening music, overcrowding and bad floor craft. Although, occasionally, ie recently in Daventry, I had a lovely time, because there was choices on where to dance (two rooms) and differing styles of music to enjoy..(thanks Marc) and enough space to relax without being bashed about.

About the ONLY minus point I can think of, (for me that is), is that there are not as many people asking newbies to dance as you would find in MJ (less people on the whole to go round) but that I can live with, until more people start attending. Is a small price to pay for something I get a lot of pleasure out of.

I do worry that it could all fade away because its so tiny at the moment, but I will do what I can to attend every week and support as best as I can.
:cheers:

Minnie M
13th-April-2006, 02:12 PM
........About the ONLY minus point I can think of, (for me that is), is that there are not as many people asking newbies to dance as you would find in MJ ..........]
The percentage of women to men in WCS compared to MJ must be double :eek: and most of those are still at the very early learning stage, therefore haven't got the confidence (I assume) to ask :blush:

Then the ones who have got it, need to dance with followers at their level or above for them to progress :tears:

Also, because it is a hard dance, some of the leads get used to dancing with certain partners :tears: :tears:

No hope at all for long time improvers (just a bit over beginners) like me :tears: :tears: :tears:

Geordieed
13th-April-2006, 04:17 PM
The percentage of women to men in WCS compared to MJ must be double :eek: Also, because it is a hard dance, some of the leads get used to dancing with certain partners :tears: :tears:

No hope at all for long time improvers (just a bit over beginners) like me :tears: :tears: :tears:



I think you would be pleasantly surprised on a Wednesday in Twickenham. The numbers are almost even. Not far off most of the time. Like alot of other men there, I like dancing with people at different levels and did so just last night. Again we had new starters as well as dancers who have been attending lessons there for sometime. These days the beginner class is tailored to offer something to many levels of ability.

Petal
15th-April-2006, 01:54 AM
Another WCS link:
http://www.swingdiego.com/results2006.html

Which features Jordan and Tatiana, as well as a fantastic performance from the couple in the showcase.

Minnie M
15th-April-2006, 02:33 AM
Another WCS link:
http://www.swingdiego.com/results2006.html

Which features Jordan and Tatiana, as well as a fantastic performance from the couple in the showcase.

I think that is the same performance they did at Rebel Yell (Surrey) in 2004 - have to check out my DVD

jacksondonut
15th-April-2006, 09:43 AM
Another WCS link:
http://www.swingdiego.com/results2006.html

Which features Jordan and Tatiana, as well as a fantastic performance from the couple in the showcase.


:respect: :respect: Totally amazing.... I am awestruck/gobsmacked and very very impressed with these talented people... :worthy: :worthy:

I would so love to see them in the flesh, that would be a dream come true...
:clap: :clap:

Petal
15th-April-2006, 02:05 PM
:
I would so love to see them in the flesh, that would be a dream come true...
:clap: :clap:

:yeah:

Minnie M
15th-April-2006, 04:32 PM
Rebel Yell in Woking (Ceroc Surrey) will have two greats - I believe it will be Kyle Redd (http://www.usaswingnet.com/Kyle&Sarah_bio.htm)& Sarah Van Drake (my personal favourites) - Sat 14 Oct 2006

lots of clips here (http://www.usaswingnet.com/video_clips.htm)from all the greats (well some of them) - including Benji Schwimmer & Heidi Groskreutz who will at Southport in September and of course Robert & Deborah who will be at Southport in June

So....... start saving if you really want to see how West Coast Swing is taught and danced by the best :respect:

Mary
16th-April-2006, 04:08 PM
The percentage of women to men in WCS compared to MJ must be double :eek: and most of those are still at the very early learning stage, therefore haven't got the confidence (I assume) to ask :blush:

Then the ones who have got it, need to dance with followers at their level or above for them to progress :tears:

Also, because it is a hard dance, some of the leads get used to dancing with certain partners :tears: :tears:

No hope at all for long time improvers (just a bit over beginners) like me :tears: :tears: :tears:

Sorry Minnie - have to strongly disagree here. These days the MJ classes always seem to have loads of ladies over, whereas WCS is usually pretty even.

Twickenham last week was pretty busy with a good bustling atmosphere (even more people than the previous week with Robert Cordoba teaching :worthy: ) and in the beginners class it was even numbers. The intermediate class was about 5 ladies over, but interleaved with partners one didn't feel one was missing out on practise/tuition.

M

Minnie M
16th-April-2006, 05:17 PM
Sorry Minnie - have to strongly disagree here. These days the MJ classes always seem to have loads of ladies over, whereas WCS is usually pretty even.

Twickenham last week was pretty busy with a good bustling atmosphere (even more people than the previous week with Robert Cordoba teaching :worthy: ) and in the beginners class it was even numbers. The intermediate class was about 5 ladies over, but interleaved with partners one didn't feel one was missing out on practise/tuition.

M
I have never been to any of Cat's classes, so I can't comment there - sorry

However, personally I have never been to any dance/class primarily for WCS when there hasn't been a large proportion of woment to men - however, I haven't been to many of them lately either - looks like things have changed.

I look forward to dancing lots of WCS in Southport :clap: (unless I can get some of them in at Camber in May :flower: )

Petal
16th-April-2006, 07:31 PM
[QUOTE=Minnie M]Robert & Deborah who will be at Southport in June

[/QUOTE

Roll on June at Southport.:grin:

Paul F
16th-April-2006, 08:35 PM
I suppose, in short, none of the things which you think are negative factors down South, seem to matter to us Scots!

:hug:
Heather

Thats a rather adventurous generalisation :grin:
I dare say they dont matter to the people down here. Nobody suggested they do. I asked the question whether the lack of a 'night out' atmosphere could be a deciding factor in people attending.

I was wondering whether an MJ-esq atmosphere would help attract more of the 'MJ to WCS' converts but, more importantly, help introduce people who are new to dancing.

There's an interesting question which ties in to the 'atmosphere' question. Could WCS lure people who have never danced before or should it rely on taking existing dancers?

Lindsay
17th-April-2006, 09:13 PM
There's an interesting question which ties in to the 'atmosphere' question. Could WCS lure people who have never danced before or should it rely on taking existing dancers?

Yes, it's an interesting point. Our Edinburgh WCS classes were predominantly the former, and there is a percentage of dancers form MJ and LH who come too. Our punter base grew following teaching for a local dance centre, and many come from internet searches and (inexpensive) adverts in local papers. Previous MJ experience helps but can also hinder, especially with footwork, bounce limitation and the lack of rock steps (Ceroc's 'step back')!

Geordieed
18th-April-2006, 09:05 AM
I think that is the same performance they did at Rebel Yell (Surrey) in 2004 - have to check out my DVD

The routine here is pretty old. They competed with this routine throughout alot of last year. By the US Open it had changed. I wouldn't be surprised if the new routine for this year was being kept back for the Grand Nationals. The two routines they did at Rebel Yell were that years' competition routine and the routine that launched them into the seniors.

Jordan and Tatiana performed that routine at Camber last year. It's a shame that there aren't any clips of the Strictly. Stephanie Batistia is a dancer that has a fantastic musical take on WCS.

Lory
18th-April-2006, 09:33 AM
Jordan and Tatiana performed that routine at Camber last year.
I think you mean Southport :flower:

Geordieed
18th-April-2006, 10:02 AM
I think you mean Southport :flower:


No I mean Camber. As well as Southport Jordan and Tatiana taught and performed at Camber last year.


Did you forget that they came a couple of times that year.:flower:

Rhythm King
18th-April-2006, 10:33 AM
No I mean Camber. As well as Southport Jordan and Tatiana taught and performed at Camber last year.


Did you forget that they came a couple of times that year.:flower:
As in the Rebel Yell Weekender, at Camber, rather than Franco's Camber. I have the dvd of their performances there :really: :worthy: :worthy:

Peter
22nd-April-2006, 12:40 PM
Paul taught an excellent class at Esher last night ...

Rhythm King
22nd-April-2006, 12:56 PM
Still not flipping fit :tears: :angry:

Feelingpink
22nd-April-2006, 02:28 PM
Paul taught an excellent class at Esher last night ...Totally! Didn't put a foot wrong ... can't speak for his hands, though :devil:

Almost an Angel
24th-April-2006, 08:47 AM
Totally! Didn't put a foot wrong ... can't speak for his hands, though :devil:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Noooo so funny - I can still see the look on his face!!! :devil:

jacksondonut
25th-April-2006, 11:00 AM
I am going up to Oxford on the 7th May for the Workshop... it was on the Easter Weekend and got rescheduled to May, due to lack of bodies...

Any one else coming along??:clap: :clap:

Jan
:cheers:

Minnie M
25th-April-2006, 02:22 PM
Last day Camber ..........:eek:

Don't forget Nigel Anderson is teaching WCS at Camber :clap: :clap:

graham fox
8th-May-2006, 01:34 PM
Last day Camber ..........:eek:

Don't forget Nigel Anderson is teaching WCS at Camber :clap: :clap:

Hey Linda, Cant believe your not coming to the BFG. I was so looking forward to my west coast swing. :sick: I really hope everyone takes the opportuntiy to come to the workshop.

ITS GOING TO BE HOT,SEXY AND FUNKY.... :yum: :yum:

:nice:

jacksondonut
8th-May-2006, 01:39 PM
Hey Linda, Cant believe your not coming to the BFG. I was so looking forward to my west coast swing. :sick: I really hope everyone takes the opportuntiy to come to the workshop.

ITS GOING TO BE HOT,SEXY AND FUNKY.... :yum: :yum:

:nice:


Fantastic... sounds good to me... will definately be having a go at the workshop :yeah: Cant Wait.....:wink: Just hope its not toooooo complicated.... :whistle:

looking forward to Friday.... :clap: :clap: :clap:

:cheers:

Simon
8th-May-2006, 02:15 PM
Went to a WCS workshop near Bristol yesterday taught by a chap called Ed Lawton, who came down from further north (Stoke, I think) and is, I understand, better known in the Line Dancing community. Workshop ran from 2-5, mostly beginners, not much class rotation but atmosphere was friendly and positive and picked up some useful new moves.

Further workshops are going to be held on 4th June, 2 July, 13 August, 3 September, and they take place at Yatton which is a village just south of Bristol (down the M5). Details from Sandra on 01934 835268.

£5 for the workshop. Can't argue with that. Am interested to know what people think about the £25 price tag that comes with most other WCS workshops?

Peter
8th-May-2006, 02:29 PM
£5 for the workshop. Can't argue with that. Am interested to know what people think about the £25 price tag that comes with most other WCS workshops?

For the quality of workshops we have around London, £20-25 is very reasonable. £5 sounds heavily subsidised.

Minnie M
8th-May-2006, 02:37 PM
Hey Linda, Cant believe your not coming to the BFG. I was so looking forward to my west coast swing. :sick: I really hope everyone takes the opportuntiy to come to the workshop.

ITS GOING TO BE HOT,SEXY AND FUNKY.... :yum: :yum:

:nice:
:tears: :tears: :tears: I was feeling bad enough about not making it ................ now I want to die in a sea of tears :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears:

I hate the guy who sold me a mortgage that I will be paying till I'm 73 :tears: :tears:

Please please pretty please - come to Southport Graham :flower: :yeah: :love: :awe: :hug: :clap:

Minnie M
8th-May-2006, 02:51 PM
For the quality of workshops we have around London, £20-25 is very reasonable. £5 sounds heavily subsidised.

Class / Workshop ????? I get confused what the true definition is :confused:

I would be very happy to pay £25 or even £30 for a group of say 6 couples max for a workshop (minimum of 3 hours) and at the same level (not broken down to beg / improvers / intermediate etc)

IMO any more than 6 couples is NOT a workshop, it is a class and therefore should be costed accordingly :angry: The idea of a workshop is for the teachers to have the time to give EVERY student a little personal attention and for the teacher to be able to assess their progress in the class.

If the classes are too large - then there is no way that level of attention can be given, and therefore it should reflect in the price.

Simon
8th-May-2006, 03:22 PM
For the quality of workshops we have around London, £20-25 is very reasonable. Would never dispute the quality at these workshops. I'm just conscious that there were 3 WCS workshops arranged for last Sunday that I could've gone to (Yatton, Bristol and Oxford) and two got cancelled. Some of that is down to geographic proximity, some down to a lack of men, I'm interested to know how much people think that WCS expansion is being hampered by workshop price? [I have no axe to grind. :flower: Just trying to find out what people think! Maybe it's not an issue at all......?]

Geordieed
8th-May-2006, 03:28 PM
What did you think of the teaching Simon. Who did he use for a partner. It would be interesting to see another teacher's style. Most importantly would you again for this teacher.

graham fox
8th-May-2006, 03:46 PM
Fantastic... sounds good to me... will definately be having a go at the workshop :yeah: Cant Wait.....:wink: Just hope its not toooooo complicated.... :whistle:

looking forward to Friday.... :clap: :clap: :clap:

:cheers:

Promise the wcs wont be too difficult...aiming to make it fun but still get all great moves in. :clap: Im curious to know what people would really like from this wcs workshop as it must be one of the first at the BFG in glasgow. Definately my first teaching at the BFG.

Let me know guys and girls what would make a good wcs workshop for you.
ps : ive done some great fliers for what a woman wants in in a man on the dance floor. No its not rude. :blush: Good Lead is one.

clevedonboy
8th-May-2006, 04:21 PM
IMO any more than 6 couples is NOT a workshop, it is a class and therefore should be costed accordingly :angry: The idea of a workshop is for the teachers to have the time to give EVERY student a little personal attention and for the teacher to be able to assess their progress in the class.

If the classes are too large - then there is no way that level of attention can be given, and therefore it should reflect in the price.

I'd not really thought about that before - what a very good point. I think 6 couples may be setting the bar a bit low 10 - 12, shouldn't pose too many problems, but yes after that you're right it's just an expensive class.

No matter what yiu charge as a teacher , I'd say you have to make sure that you are providing value for money.

So going back to Yatton yesterday - to answer Peter's point, Ed is not subsidised, the venue is cheap to hire (I use it so I know how much is charged) and Ed's thinking is that he can come down on a saturday to see Gemma Bailey his dance partner, & normal demo (who wasn't there 'cos she hadn't got back from seeing her brother Darren in SDF on saturday night), then teach a class on Sunday to some of his local friends who want to learn WCS and make enough money to pay his petrol.

At the moment the class is clearly aimed at people like me (that was my 4th lesson yesterday) rather than the likes of Simon, but I'm pleased to hear that Simon felt that he got something from it. Ed seems to be a good communicator and a good dancer a great combination for a dance teacher.

Saxylady
8th-May-2006, 05:12 PM
Also he teaches from the floor and is always on hand to help out individual couples when they have problems, either during the class or in the tea break.

jacksondonut
8th-May-2006, 05:25 PM
Promise the wcs wont be too difficult...aiming to make it fun but still get all great moves in. :clap: Im curious to know what people would really like from this wcs workshop as it must be one of the first at the BFG in glasgow. Definately my first teaching at the BFG.

Let me know guys and girls what would make a good wcs workshop for you.
ps : ive done some great fliers for what a woman wants in in a man on the dance floor. No its not rude. :blush: Good Lead is one.

Have been attending classes with Cat and Lee for about a couple of months.. so consider myself to be slightly above beginner level..:whistle: I find the concentration needed is very great for me still, but the enjoyment outweighs the lack of knowledge bigtime!!:yeah: I find I sometimes leave with a headache, but I reckon Its because I dont use my brains very often...
:rofl: :rofl:

looking forward to seeing someone else in action and learning a little bit more (I hope :blush: ) Roll on Friday.:clap: :clap: :clap:

Jan
:cheers:

Heather
9th-May-2006, 06:57 PM
Let me know guys and girls what would make a good wcs workshop for you.

:confused: Well you are the teacher Graham! If you don't have the answer to this , what hope have a bunch of Cerocers!!:rofl: :rofl:

:hug:
Heather
xx

Dreadful Scathe
9th-May-2006, 09:25 PM
Id like to do WCS with Graham again but we won't be able to make it this weekend :( Hopefully itll get more people interested in WCS though :)

graham fox
9th-May-2006, 09:47 PM
:confused: Well you are the teacher Graham! If you don't have the answer to this , what hope have a bunch of Cerocers!!:rofl: :rofl:

:hug:
Heather
xx

Not sure if you were being funny or serious there Heather. If you know me and my teaching then you will know the class will be great. I put that question out there because its always good to get the puplis view especially when im teaching cerocers as footwork isnt normally a big issue.

Graham xx:nice:

Minnie M
9th-May-2006, 11:28 PM
I'd not really thought about that before - what a very good point. I think 6 couples may be setting the bar a bit low 10 - 12, shouldn't pose too many problems, but yes after that you're right it's just an expensive class.............
12 couples would mean 24 people ........... getting to be a small class not a workshop, IMO that would be too many for the teacher to view all at the same time. The price would have to reflect that


say £25 to £35 for up to 6 couples
and £20 to £25 for approx 10 couples
or £10 to £15 for the max of 20 couples
and £7 to £10 for over 20 couples


or if they are broken down the price should reflect:-
eg: for option 1
1 hour beginners = £10
1 hour intermed = £10
1 hour advance = £10

or £25 for all three


...........No matter what yiu charge as a teacher , I'd say you have to make sure that you are providing value for money. ..............
If you have employed a reputed and experienced teacher it should be relative

BTW I beleive top pros charge between £40 to £70 per hour - if that is shared between 2 (a couple) it puts it into perspective :whistle:

ducasi
10th-May-2006, 12:59 AM
Let me know guys and girls what would make a good wcs workshop for you. One thing that I'd like... Besides the basics of the Sugar Push, etc, how about one especially flash move just to show us how cool WCS really is?

I put that question out there because its always good to get the puplis view especially when im teaching cerocers as footwork isnt normally a big issue. I'd guess though that your typical Cerocer turned WC Swinger is already fairly experienced. I'd expect that you're going to have a much wider range of abilities on Saturday.

I know from my own experience of the first WCS workshop I did at a weekend event last year – I struggled with the footwork, and I wasn't the only one...

I'm looking forward to your workshop...

clevedonboy
10th-May-2006, 07:35 AM
good to get the puplis view especially when im teaching cerocers as footwork isnt normally a big issue.

Graham xx:nice:

As a Lerocer turned Lindy Hopper now learning WCS, I think the two biggest issues will be triple steps and the connection required - not things that most (men in particular) MJ dancers will have come across unless they have done WCS before

Minnie M
10th-May-2006, 07:50 AM
...........I'm looking forward to your workshop...
I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo jealous :tears: so wish I could make it :sad: :sad: :sad: :tears:

Heather
10th-May-2006, 08:16 AM
Not sure if you were being funny or serious there Heather.

Graham xx:nice:

A bit of both Graham ! :wink:

I should imagine there would be a range of ability at this workshop , you are likely to have quite experienced WCS dancers from down south or folks who have been to Brady + Lindsays classes up here or Robert Cordoba workshops.
What they want and expect from a workshop is likely to be vastly different from Cerocers who have only heard of WCS and never had a go!
What they need from a workshop, they would not be in a position to tell you! I think you have a bit of a dilemma, and only you as an experienced teacher, will be able to judge that when you are faced with the raw material on the day!!!
See you in Dundee in July!!!
:hug:
Heather
xx

robd
11th-May-2006, 08:13 AM
One thing that I'd like... Besides the basics of the Sugar Push, etc, how about one especially flash move just to show us how cool WCS really is?



Is/should the coolness of a dance be related to the flashiness of its moves/steps?

ducasi
11th-May-2006, 08:17 AM
Is/should the coolness of a dance be related to the flashiness of its moves/steps?
Good question. But when you see something that makes you say "Wow, I wish I could do that!" might you also be thinking "that's cool"? :waycool:

EDIT: I'd suggest a new thread if anyone wants to discuss this further. :nice:

Chicklet
11th-May-2006, 08:21 AM
Is/should the coolness of a dance be related to the flashiness of its moves/steps?
everybody sing
It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it

Geordieed
11th-May-2006, 09:27 AM
One of the main differences with WCS over MJ is the amount of technique that needs to be learnt before you can do alot of the moves. Even the basics require alot of technique to get them right. From time to time when I parts of a basic right you can just feel it and that feeling is just amazing. As a social dance WCS works off a connection proper lead follow and not just remembering a move.

I've seen alot of MJ classes and workshops billed as having cool moves etc as the reason for signing up. WCS should be about learning a dance and not a new set of moves. The idea is to dance through connection and not memory for moves.

ducasi
11th-May-2006, 11:19 AM
One of the main differences with WCS over MJ is the amount of technique that needs to be learnt before you can do alot of the moves. Even the basics require alot of technique to get them right. From time to time when I parts of a basic right you can just feel it and that feeling is just amazing.OK, how about...

Can you teach us something that will give us a hint of that 'amazing feeling' you're supposed to be able to get from WCS, as simple sugar pushes, tucks and baskets haven't given me any special feeling – beyond my simple amazement that I think and I'm being told I've done it right – and from watching good WCS dancers I sometimes see things that look amazing.

As a social dance WCS works off a connection proper lead follow and not just remembering a move.

I've seen alot of MJ classes and workshops billed as having cool moves etc as the reason for signing up. WCS should be about learning a dance and not a new set of moves. The idea is to dance through connection and not memory for moves. I think the same is true ultimately for MJ – still without a memory of *something* you're not going to go far no-matter how great the connection, and that *something* must in part come from moves being taught in classes. No?

Chicklet
11th-May-2006, 11:23 AM
Dunc, here's a practical example from a follower still in the first 1% of the first WCS learning journey.....but with a few years of MJ background and a fairly good ear for the music (that is soooo important in WCS, IMHO)....Experts please jump in if any of this sounds like I'm making wrong assumptions from my experience so far.

It takes a lot of effort, concentration, practice etc etc just to make sure I end each beginner basic move on the right, woops *correct*:wink: foot (which is actually the left so far..)....My aim for myself at classes and in our wee bit of freestyle is to complete a track without messing up my foot pattern. This practice, slow and steady, is the groundwork to make the feet work naturally with an element of muscle memory so that I can then start to transfer the thoughts from "oh my god my feet are wrong so I'm out of balance and in the wrong position" to "oh great there's a groovy bit of music I can do a wee twizzle (don't think that's an official term:what: ) a lady boss break, a syncopation, two two step moves deviating from two triples etc etc" safe in the knowledge that I'm going to be able to recover well back into the pattern when I give up the lead, or have it removed from me, or "oh my god he just lead me into a move I've never done before but my feet and following were sound so it worked out fine!"

It has also become clear to me as a follower that if I do mess up - and in WCS the rules of man always wrong really don't hold, I have, do, and will continue to mess up entirely at fault myself inspite of perfect leads through lack of concentration - it will feel better if the guy has recognised this and allowed / helped me to regroup in order for the dance to continue with any element of flow. This would add yet another dimension to the leader's skill set that will be very difficult for beginner men to get - but am I just being lazy looking for this skill in the men?? (more below..)

Not sure what kind of thing you're thinking of as a "flashy move" but I don't feel I'm ready for them with any definition and (ref Tango at Camber thread perhaps :devil: ) there will be a big class this weekend, many if not most? of the attendees will have had even less experience than me, if any and the chances of them "getting it" are slim.

ALL THAT SAID, I do understand where you're coming from, WCS done "big" and well looks absolutely stunning, I am inspired and delighted by the clips of the masters and regularly watch the wee snippets of the comp winners on the SwingDiego site before I set off for Eds on a Wed.:blush:

So yet again we come back to the can't please all of the people all of the time and the fact that people are inspired by different aspects of dance and will respond differently to different learning experiences.

I would be absolutely thrilled if there were two outcomes of Graham's class - one, that all in the class had a great time on the day and two, that as many as possible of them of them felt the desire to continue with the dance with Graham, Brady & Lindsay or their own local class and spread the word.

What worries me is that making the class too hard might make MJ'er in the street think oh my God that's too hard I'll never get it so I'm not going to waste my time, effort and money trying.

Don't know if it's on the cards but MHO is that a track of feestyle demo after the class and a caberet style performance at night would be a better way to showcase the beauty of the dance and let the crowd see what is possible, rather than throwing them in at the deep end and frightening them off.

As a slight aside, (note NO associations or monetary interest here)I would like to go into print to say :respect: to Brady and Lindsay for the format of the classes on Wed nights....for those who don't know.....we cover 3 or 4 basic beginner moves to start and the intermediate class takes the same moves and adds variations and little elements of styling, eg as above swapping your two triple steps for something slower, pose-y :waycool: and more flash . This allows us wee beginers to carry on with more practice of the basics if we need it and then as confidence increases, add in the extras when we're ready while giving those comfortable with the basics something new every week. I have felt enormous grins spread over my face when I've managed to throw in the change but have to loose it quickly to ensure I don't loose the flow. Great way to do it guys!

But to come back to the question of what will people want from the workshop here's my personal, selfish if you like, wish list with a couple of sweeping generalisations thrown in for sport :devil: This is based on the assumption that this is a "spreading the word" workshop, not an improvers workshop and that the majority will be virgins and may not even have er, fumbled. :innocent:

PLEASE may we have basic moves with the majority of focus on the men, on the whole the girls WILL learn their bit faster than the men in this first timer kind of situation .
PLEASE get em to firm up, there are far too many floppy men around, we just can't follow this dance properly without the tension
PLEASE focus on the music and starting the phrase / move on the right beat
PLEASE keep the music slow and easy to allow people to get it all right and fit it in without losing it and having to start again (see above).
PLEASE do a flash demo
and finally
PLEASE remind the class that there will be people at the parties all weekend who are not at the class who have experience at WCS and encourage them to ask at night so they can try and use their new skills and so that the poor souls at the parties who have never seen it before start to wonder, ask about classes get hooked etc etc...

Actually, that's not final, one other thing, and we need some expert views here because I don't know the answer....I've (not really jokingly) said above that I think the girls will get their bit more quickly and on the whole I do believe that, taking averages and with exceptions yada yada but given that the women will and do mess up, what can be taught to the guys to help compensate for that?
Should the guys be advised to watch out for this and taught a kind of "breather step" that allows the woman a couple of beats to get back on the beat and the correct foot for a right foot step forward?
OR should the guys be taught to ignore it so that the girls just have to get sharp themselves?

Interested to hear the thoughts on that one!

hear endeth my longest post for years, don'tcha just looove working from home :rofl:

Chicklet
11th-May-2006, 12:01 PM
Can you teach us something that will give us a hint of that 'amazing feeling' you're supposed to be able to get from WCS, as simple sugar pushes, tucks and baskets haven't given me any special feeling –
(yes I know this isn't quite what you say but) surely you can't be taught what to feel, if you don't feel "it" maybe you're not going to?
maybe WCS just isn't your dance?
I'd hazard a guess that many of the folks contributing to this thread felt the amazing feeling just from watching :waycool: and it kind of goes without saying when we're actually doing it!
But then on the other hand I haven't transfered all of my amazing feeling dances out of MJ!
After all the analysing you've done over the last months do you really believe a move learned can give you this feeling? Or are you having a gentle wee comedy poke at the WCS OTT ers?
I just find this a bit bizzare after so many posts (and blog entries) telling us that you're feeling more of the connection stuff (wide def, not the physical lead thing) these days, this reads like a step back......

timbp
11th-May-2006, 01:08 PM
OK, how about...

Can you teach us something that will give us a hint of that 'amazing feeling' you're supposed to be able to get from WCS, as simple sugar pushes, tucks and baskets haven't given me any special feeling.
That probably depends on your partner. If your follower is not providing appropriate connection then you will not get that "amazing feeling". However, no matter how good your follower, if you are not providing the connection you will not get that "amazing feeling".

I've only been learning WCS about 4 months. And I only dance the basic WCS moves (with a few simple variations). When a song comes on and I know I want to express it more, I go into ceroc (where I'm comfortable).

Nevertheless, with a follower who understands her role in WCS, I have felt that "amazing feeling". The whip has become my favourite move (do it slowly, take the time to get to know your partner; do it fast, get the hit).

I do get bored just doing the basic moves, and I'm starting to try to vary them. But the amazing feeling is not a matter of moves. It's a result of interactions between you and your partner and the music.

So if you're not getting that feeling, are you dancing to the right music? ("Right music" is music you understand and that inspires you to dance);
are you dancing wiht the right partner (she had to interpret the music, and your interpretation of the music, she had to know general conventions of lead and follow and the specifics of the dance.


My point is that if you want that "amazing feeling", learn the fundamentals and the basic moves. If you think you know the basic moves but you haven't felt that amazing feeling, go and learn the fundamentals (again).

The "amazing feeling" is the lead-follow connection. If you don't have that feeling either you're not leading or your partner is not following. And try reading the tango threads on this forum.

I'll also mention that watching Paul and Cat dance freestyle gave me almost the same feeling as watching AT -- connection is the important factor.

Geordieed
11th-May-2006, 01:53 PM
[QUOTE=Chicklet]I'd hazard a guess that many of the folks contributing to this thread felt the amazing feeling just from watching :waycool: and it kindQUOTE]

Experiencing the feeling of good connection can be taught. I can't get it right alot of the time but view it as a work in progress. I know what to do it is just trying to put it into my dance. I remember when I was first shown it and felt it the experience was like stepping into the light. The aftermath feeling is pretty difficult to put into words. As a partner dance both leader and follower have to give something to each other for the connection to be a two way conversation.

Just watching somebody else's connection isn't really enough. You really have to experience it at first hand. My favourite WCS couple are Brent and Kellese Key because of the connection they have with each other. When you see them freestyle with each other you see where connection can go. I heard about an advanced technique that worked so well the leader was so skilled he could move his follower's head and nothing else. I had heard about it but only saw an example of that last year. True inspiration.

I always remember when I was struggling to improve in MJ a teacher told me that you could spot the best dancers by the fact they kept their moves to the basics. This is true for many other dances like Salsa etc. I think that is espcially true for WCS. I plucked up enough courage to ask Deborah Szekely when she was here last with Robert for some advice on dancing freestyle and she repeated the same advice.

Chicklet
11th-May-2006, 02:14 PM
Experiencing the feeling of good connection can be taught. I can't get it right alot of the time but view it as a work in progress. I know what to do it is just trying to put it into my dance. I remember when I was first shown it and felt it the experience was like stepping into the light. .
This is very interesting, thanks for sharing it. It's great to know there's yet another level out there that I may be lucky enough to feel some year in the future.
I think maybe we're talking about two different "feelings", the one I'm speaking of isn't so technical or as a result of getting the physical so "right"....it's "just" a general buzz, maybe more like the one many of our posters report feeling on discovering the whole dance thing, and you may well have hit on the one that Ducasi is after, I'm sure he'll be on again soon to let us know :D

Can we safely say that your one is even less likely to come about at a weekender workshop for relative beginners?

Geordieed
11th-May-2006, 02:23 PM
What I would say is the feeling that I am on about is a very deep one and goes beyond what you learn from the physical. I have been lead before by a couple of really amazing leads and have felt a sensation like I was flying and I was alot lighter.

For that reason I would recommend that true connection is worth striving for.

Connection can be taught but making it work is still down to the individual to discover and master.

Chicklet
11th-May-2006, 02:36 PM
.it's "just" a general buzz, maybe more like the one many of our posters report feeling on discovering the whole dance thing
must have caught the sun yesterday, posting rate down to negligible impact for years and then I start self quoting LOL :eek:

this isn't the whole story, the general buzz is from the fact that here's a whole new world of dance ahead of me, and it's a dance with "ooze", as I so eloquently :rofl: brought up on page one of this thread :waycool:

ducasi
11th-May-2006, 02:55 PM
(yes I know this isn't quite what you say but) surely you can't be taught what to feel, if you don't feel "it" maybe you're not going to?
maybe WCS just isn't your dance?I'd hazard a guess that many of the folks contributing to this thread felt the amazing feeling just from watching :waycool: and it kind of goes without saying when we're actually doing it! Or maybe it just takes longer for me (or for guys in general?) to begin to "get it"?

When I started Ceroc, I saw some amazing dancing and thought "I want to do that", and although I had lots of fun while learning, I certainly didn't get anywhere near how good it can be in my first few classes – I've only done a grand total of three WCS classes, and one of them was six months before the other two. I've never tried a real, true freestyle WCS dance. It took me a while to do it in Ceroc, I imagine it'll take a while in WCS.

After all the analysing you've done over the last months do you really believe a move learned can give you this feeling? Or are you having a gentle wee comedy poke at the WCS OTT ers? No comedy pokes here...

I just find this a bit bizzare after so many posts (and blog entries) telling us that you're feeling more of the connection stuff (wide def, not the physical lead thing) these days, this reads like a step back...... Let me try again to explain what I'm thinking of...

I believe in the Ceroc model of teaching moves to get people into the way of MJ, where once they know how to dance, the moves become less important – though I still believe there's lots to learn in moves-based classes.

So, I, perhaps naively, think that some of this model is transferable to WCS. At least, the three "workshops" I've done have only really taught simple moves, along with the regular footwork. At least for total beginners, I think this is the right approach.

So, teaching a Sugar Push, a Sugar Tuck, and maybe a whip or basket seems like a good idea. Fairly straightforward stuff...

But for me, I've done these moves, I don't remember the exact footwork on the basket or whip, but it's not going to take me long in a class to pick it up again. So what I'd like is for the last 10 minutes or so of the class to maybe show us something a bit "wow!"

We all know MJ moves that make our partners and/or spectators go "wow!" – some of them are even fairly simple... I'd guess that WCS would be the same...

Even if not everyone is capable of doing a more complex move as they are still struggling with sugar pushes, it'd give them an idea of what else WCS can be, and for folks who can do it – folks with some amount of experience already – it gives them something to make the workshop more worthwhile...

Clearly a more advanced WCS dancer will gain more from learning extra style and technique – but this workshop is not the place to do that.


So, are you less worried for my dancing progress now, Chicklet? :flower:

jacksondonut
11th-May-2006, 03:04 PM
(quote) PLEASE remind the class that there will be people at the parties all weekend who are not at the class who have experience at WCS and encourage them to ask at night so they can try and use their new skills and so that the poor souls at the parties who have never seen it before start to wonder, ask about classes get hooked etc etc...(quote)



Excellent post... :flower: :worthy: I am hoping to do the class and desperately wanting to practice on anyone during the evening too, if possible. Will have to pluck up the courage to ask, methinks..... :yeah:

the more people seen having a go, hopefully the more will become interested.... :clap: :clap: :clap:

Jan
:cheers:

Msfab
11th-May-2006, 03:06 PM
I have been lead before by a couple of really amazing leads and have felt a sensation like I was flying and I was alot lighter.:yeah:

Its like youre floating/gliding across the floor! You stop worrying about feet, they just some how happen! It can be the same for me as Arg Tango.:awe:

Chicklet
11th-May-2006, 03:36 PM
We all know MJ moves that make our partners and/or spectators go "wow!" – some of them are even fairly simple... I'd guess that WCS would be the same... snip...
So, are you less worried for my dancing progress now, Chicklet? :flower:
ouch, the ironic flower blooms again LOL.

not entirely comfortable having this conversation in public and in type rather than where you can see facial expression and complete lack of judgement, whatever I type will sound like arrogant judgementand won't be drawn into labouring it and detracting from a damn good thread, but since you ask in public, I'm not worried for your dancing progress for YOU at all. You clearly know what you like, have the balls to be honest about it, enjoy what you do and appear to be getting a lot out of the experience. This is to be commended, it's truly great to see this in anyone, seriously, genuinely.

But for others dancing with you, I think it's a shame that (per the selective quote above) it still appears to be mostly coming back to moves for you.

Time and time again, particularly in this thread, people are reporting that the moves per se are not the important thing to them in having a good dance so I would have to disagree with the top statement and say, no, it's not a move that makes me go "wow". But enough already, if my thoughts (as a fair example of a flawed but passionate follower and very def a product so far of the same Ceroc model as you have experienced ) of are of interest to you, let's chat on Sat night. If they're not, no worries, and we can agree to disagree on the best way to teach / learn WCS too.

Hope you enjoy the workshop.

David Franklin
11th-May-2006, 03:41 PM
So, teaching a Sugar Push, a Sugar Tuck, and maybe a whip or basket seems like a good idea. Fairly straightforward stuff...

But for me, I've done these moves, I don't remember the exact footwork on the basket or whip, but it's not going to take me long in a class to pick it up again. So what I'd like is for the last 10 minutes or so of the class to maybe show us something a bit "wow!"I think this is one of those situations where discussion over the internet is very difficult; I don't know what your MJ dancing is like, and I don't know what your WCS is like. Given that, I'd say that when I got the simple whip variations working even half-right, I was very aware that this was something I'd never felt in years of dancing MJ. (And having seen myself doing WCS on video, I'm very aware that I'm not even close to doing a whip properly).

As that's probably not particularly helpful, the big difference I feel between WCS and MJ is that WCS is more about redirecting the momentum of my partner, while MJ is more about absorbing and reapplying the momentum. WCS feels a lot more subtle and efficient; in particular, in the basic MJ moves we spend a lot more of our time leading the girl to stop.


We all know MJ moves that make our partners and/or spectators go "wow!" – some of them are even fairly simple... I'd guess that WCS would be the same...Someone has "more than moves..." as a tag-line, and I'd say that's particularly true here. The difference between WCS and MJ isn't in the moves, it's in the feel, the action, and the connection. I think there are "flash" WCS moves without real MJ counterparts, but if so, it's because they require precise WCS timing and precision. In which case, the chance of teaching them to a class of predominantly MJ dancers is near nil.

In a nutshell, an advanced MJ dancer is going to have more "wow" potential than a beginner to intermediate WCS dancer. Which should surprise nobody.

jacksondonut
11th-May-2006, 04:01 PM
[QUOTE=Chicklet]I'd hazard a guess that many of the folks contributing to this thread felt the amazing feeling just from watching :waycool: and it kindQUOTE]

I always remember when I was struggling to improve in MJ a teacher told me that you could spot the best dancers by the fact they kept their moves to the basics. This is true for many other dances like Salsa etc. I think that is espcially true for WCS. I plucked up enough courage to ask Deborah Szekely when she was here last with Robert for some advice on dancing freestyle and she repeated the same advice.

Yes, that goes for me too... watching Cat and Lee/Paul and Richard Cordoba on the dancefloor, is poetry in motion... (thats how I see it anyway) and inspires awe and admiration every time I see a demonstration. Ive looked at some of the clips on the thread and it looks so easy.. :eek: (I know that it is not, but practise I hope will help me improve)...:worthy: :worthy:

and keeping it to basic moves.. thank goodness for that.. :yeah:

Geordieed
11th-May-2006, 04:21 PM
In a nutshell, an advanced MJ dancer is going to have more "wow" potential than a beginner to intermediate WCS dancer. Which should surprise nobody.


Just checking but you mean a 'beginner to intermermediate' as it might be classed in this country. Intermediate level in the U.S is completely different. Even in this country I would consider myself a beginner. I know what you mean about a whip most of the time I can't even lead past count 2.

David Franklin
11th-May-2006, 04:30 PM
Just checking but you mean a 'beginner to intermermediate' as it might be classed in this country. Intermediate level in the U.S is completely different. Phraseology as I would expect a MJ dancer from the UK to understand it. Of course, the competition categories in the US for WCS are completely misleading, as anyone over there will be the first to admit. It's a bit like the Gracies making people study 5 years to get a blue belt and then saying "our style is so good our blue belts are better than other styles' black belts".

Geordieed
11th-May-2006, 04:42 PM
I have often wondered that about America. Stating the obvious it is a huge place with alot of communities of dancers. The styles do change alot too.

ducasi
11th-May-2006, 04:50 PM
OK, I'm going to give up trying to explain what I'm looking for, as between me and the folks replying to me there seems to be some difference of understanding – quite possibly my lack of understanding, I don't know...

One last attempt, though, while I'm here...

I *know* that both MJ and WCS are "more than moves". I *know* that the thing that makes both MJ and WCS *feel* fab is the connection, the feeling, the intensity, all that kind of stuff...

BUT that can't be taught in a class that lasts an hour and a bit. (Can it?)

(Aside: I think that however they are constructed, flashy moves can make a spectator go "wow!", both in MJ and WCS. And they can make folks say things like "I wanna know how to do that!" Or maybe it's just me...)

So, back to the workshop... Given that I expect it to based around teaching us some of the basic moves of WCS, please can one of them be a little more fancy that a whip or a basket? I think this would be good to stretch the abilities of the class, giving those that can do it something to feel good about, and those that struggle, something to aim for, maybe making them say things like "Wow, I wanna know how to do that!"

This is not such a different wish from...

PLEASE ... so that the poor souls at the parties who have never seen it before start to wonder, ask about classes get hooked etc etc... Is it?


Does that make any more sense? Does anyone agree with me? :flower:

Chicklet
11th-May-2006, 05:18 PM
Does that make any more sense?
In a way yes, and I'll admit to the heinous crime of mixing thoughts on this weekend's class with those on WC learning in general.
You say flash in the class with a move, I say flash in the demo with more than (just) a move really, and we both say flash to let people see the beauty of the beast.
I say don't flash in the class because, like my Greek namesake, I don't forsee great success and would hate for people to be disheartened and imagine that if they can't manage all of the taster class then the dance is too hard for them.....but Graham's the man in the driving seat on the day and I'm sure he has more than enough experience to be able to read the class progress and decide how best to finish up.

David Franklin
11th-May-2006, 05:39 PM
I think that however they are constructed, flashy moves can make a spectator go "wow!", both in MJ and WCS. And they can make folks say things like "I wanna know how to do that!"Sure. But moves don't make dance styles. If I see Robert and Deborah do a particular flashy trick, it doesn't make me think "wow, I wanna learn WCS". It makes me think "I wanna do that move". And, since tricks usually break all the "normal" dance rules, I'm not even learning any WCS in the process. Now when I see them dance freestyle, and the lead/follow is so good they mirror each others' syncopations, or dance a very complex intricate set of moves without any apparent seam, only to stop right on the break, that has me thinking "I wanna learn WCS". Unfortunately, none of that is going to happen in a 90 minute workshop.

[Incidentally, there's been a shedload of flashy moves transferred from WCS, Lindy, Salsa, Tango, Hustle into MJ. I haven't noticed any significant increase in the awareness of the dance styles because of it, though].


So, back to the workshop... Given that I expect it to based around teaching us some of the basic moves of WCS, please can one of them be a little more fancy that a whip or a basket? I think this would be good to stretch the abilities of the class, giving those that can do it something to feel good about, and those that struggle, something to aim for, maybe making them say things like "Wow, I wanna know how to do that!"You're saying two different things here. Asking for a "little more fancy" than a whip is reasonable enough (though I'd suspect a whip is enough challenge for most people on their first time). Asking for something that will make them go "wow" seems somewhat unrealistic. Your "wow" threshold may be different from mine of course.

karlhudds
11th-May-2006, 07:31 PM
why wont any WCSingers come up north

im really needing the new dancing

Gus
11th-May-2006, 07:44 PM
why wont any WCSingers come up north

im really needing the new dancingThere are! Loads of them in Line dancing clubs etc. We've already got a real good teacher in the form of Chris Taylor and good dancers like RoyBoy. :grin:

Feelingpink
12th-May-2006, 01:03 AM
...

So, back to the workshop... Given that I expect it to based around teaching us some of the basic moves of WCS, please can one of them be a little more fancy that a whip or a basket? I think this would be good to stretch the abilities of the class, giving those that can do it something to feel good about, and those that struggle, something to aim for, maybe making them say things like "Wow, I wanna know how to do that!"

This is not such a different wish from...
Is it?


Does that make any more sense? Does anyone agree with me? :flower:When you ask to learn a move with a "wow" factor, why not a whip variation. There seem to be three trillion variations on this - and when you watch it done with the styling, say, of Cat or Paul, it pushes my "wow" buttons. Actually, what also pushes my buttons is learning how to hijack (and then if you dance with Lee, he let's you hijack, but then syncopates, so you thought you were in control - of sorts - but you aren't at all because he's leading the timing - cheeky or what!) Perhaps a really important part of a workshop destined to inspire long-term WCSers is styling (including inspirational teachers/demonstrations) and dancing with someone who REALLY knows what they're doing - if possible, having teachers dance with students during the workshop. A whip led by Lee, for instance, brings a grin to my face because of its "whooosh" factor - and imagine guys get a similar rush dancing with Cat. Give tasters of the real deal.

spindr
12th-May-2006, 01:30 AM
Hmmm, I think that part of the "WCS factor" is actually the anchor step -- the reconnection and balancing against your partner (well ok actually slightly away).

Well ok, and the connection on a "touch turn" or whatever the real name is, oh and making whips nice and snappy, etc, etc.

I think what can be useful are a few ideas that can be transferred back to MJ -- you can learn to relax and lead them at an MJ freestyle and then they aren't such a problem at any future WCS class.

E.g. whip variations after beat 4, are in a similar style position than a first move where the lady is turned out (and the man has swivelled round to follow her rotation out). I quite often throw in a WCS derived whip variation where the lady turns out from beat 4, but by ducking under the man's right arm -- it makes a different sort of MJ variation and its fairly simple. It's never going to set the SDF judges afire, but it's fun / useful.

Cheers,
SpinDr.

ducasi
12th-May-2006, 08:46 AM
When you ask to learn a move with a "wow" factor, why not a whip variation. Sure, why not?

I've learn three whip variants in a MJ context, as part of a routine, and they're pretty cool. As a lead I don't get to experience the "whoosh", but my partner tells me they're fun. :)

There seem to be three trillion variations on this - and when you watch it done with the styling, say, of Cat or Paul, it pushes my "wow" buttons. This is kind-of what I meant by this...

We all know MJ moves that make our partners and/or spectators go "wow!" – some of them are even fairly simple... I'd guess that WCS would be the same...
A simple move, with a bit of a twist... I know a "wow!" variation on a sway that I don't imagine a beginner with previous experience of dancing would have any bother with.

Actually, what also pushes my buttons is learning how to hijack ... I'm told that in WCS there's a lot of room for the Woman to "do her own thing" – typically on the last triple step of the move as the guy is doing an anchor step, right?

In MJ, I really enjoy ladies hijacking (just so long as it's kept to a sensible level) and so if WCS really has space built-in to allow the girl to do her thing without getting in the way of the guy's plans, then this is something that makes WCS more attractive to me. And so this could be the sort of thing I'm looking for.

So, yeah, we now have two possible "cool/wow" things – a nifty whip variation, or a bit of hijacking. And either could be fitted into a beginners' class as an option for folks wanting to do a bit more...

Cheers. :)

Feelingpink
12th-May-2006, 09:42 AM
...
I'm told that in WCS there's a lot of room for the Woman to "do her own thing" – typically on the last triple step of the move as the guy is doing an anchor step, right?

In MJ, I really enjoy ladies hijacking (just so long as it's kept to a sensible level) and so if WCS really has space built-in to allow the girl to do her thing without getting in the way of the guy's plans, then this is something that makes WCS more attractive to me. And so this could be the sort of thing I'm looking for.


...Hmmm, I suspect that the woman hijacking can be a bit more widespread than the last triple step - the one we learned with Cat & Lee was on about the third beat. I'm sure someone more experienced could elaborate on hijacking more.

Dorothy
12th-May-2006, 09:45 AM
From what I have seen of west coast swing, the style could 'exclude' a big segment of dancers who do not have a 'musical ear'! Much of the 'buzz' and 'wow' factor seems to come from reacting to the music, self-expression, rhythms, etc. With regards to Ducasi's posts, perhaps you need to learn to walk before you can run. After your first Ceroc class we leave thinking we can dance it (well I did!), but with almost every other dance style I have tried, it takes time and you need to build foundations before you can move on to the fancy stuff.

Msfab
12th-May-2006, 09:51 AM
I'm told that in WCS there's a lot of room for the Woman to "do her own thing" – typically on the last triple step of the move as the guy is doing an anchor step, right?

In MJ, I really enjoy ladies hijacking (just so long as it's kept to a sensible level) and so if WCS really has space built-in to allow the girl to do her thing without getting in the way of the guy's plans, then this is something that makes WCS more attractive to me. And so this could be the sort of thing I'm looking for.

So, yeah, we now have two possible "cool/wow" things – a nifty whip variation, or a bit of hijacking. And either could be fitted into a beginners' class as an option for folks wanting to do a bit more...

In the last few weeks at the WCS class at twickenham, Cat and Lee :respect: have taught the ladies a couple of 'cool' (follow kind of in control for a brief beat or 2 or the lead) hijacks. One is from a push spin thing, instead of 'follower' going under the arm, they place their left hand on 'leads' left shoulder and take an odd (not sure on number) of beat to rock forward and back, and when the follow is done/gets bored they step under and continue as normal.

Another one, more of a follow styling point, on a push spin again. Im not sure of the beat its on, but instead of the follow bringing feet forward for the trip step and compression, they leave the right leg back (creating a nice line) but keeping the weight forward/compression. To finish, return weight to that trailing leg and carry on as usual.

Once you have connection with that partner, as a follow I can start testing out what might work or not, as long as the lead is able to feel it. Like from an under arm pass, the follow is lead forward, at the/just before the point the follow passes under the arm I step (same as for the compression in sugar push) creating a kind of block and then return back to my slot from where I came, and we start again.

Another one someone (a lead) kindly taught me was from a left side pass, although im not totally sure about the ending yet. The follow is lead forward, but before you pass the follow places hand on leads hip thereby stopping the pass.

With connection anything is possible!:clap:

robd
12th-May-2006, 10:22 AM
I can start testing out what might work or not, as long as the lead is able to feel it.

With connection anything is possible!:clap:

I certainly felt the connection of your hand to my head at Camber - :seeing stars: :what:

sorry for sidetracking a great thread - no wonder LMC's gone missing.

Lindsay
12th-May-2006, 11:48 PM
Hmmm, I suspect that the woman hijacking can be a bit more widespread than the last triple step

In WCS you can break the rules big time, so don't get too obsessed re. what patterns/moves you've just done. Rather than lead or follow pattern after pattern, both leaders and followers shorten or extend counts, play with the music, and express themselves with the dance. In our classes it's more variation and style-focused than move-focused. Generally teach a basic class, then in the 2nd class change everything we've just done :na:

Nice to see Cass, Jen & Dundee folks making it through so often :grin: :love:

Minnie M
13th-May-2006, 08:08 AM
In WCS you can break the rules big time, so don't get too obsessed re. what patterns/moves you've just done. Rather than lead or follow pattern after pattern, both leaders and followers shorten or extend counts, play with the music, and express themselves with the dance. In our classes it's more variation and style-focused than move-focused. Generally teach a basic class, then in the 2nd class change everything we've just done :na:

Nice to see Cass, Jen & Dundee folks making it through so often :grin: :love:
so jealous ......... wish I lived in Scotland, would love to come to your :worthy: classes and Graham's :worthy: :drool: too - in fact even Roi Forbes is teaching WCS in Scotland (not sure where) :tears:

Lindsay
13th-May-2006, 05:08 PM
so jealous ......... wish I lived in Scotland, would love to come to your :worthy: classes and Graham's :worthy: :drool: too - in fact even Roi Forbes is teaching WCS in Scotland (not sure where) :tears:

Move up!!:grin:
Roi teaches in Glasgow. . . not sure what night he does WCS, and also seems to teach loads of other styles.

Minnie M
13th-May-2006, 06:08 PM
Move up!!:grin:
If it wasn't for my two young grandsons .... I would :sad: I would never see them if I move too far away

Might do a weeks holiday at a cheap Travelodge on a week when lots is going on though :flower:

ducasi
14th-May-2006, 02:32 AM
I wrote on Thursday...
So, back to the workshop... Given that I expect it to based around teaching us some of the basic moves of WCS, please can one of them be a little more fancy that a whip or a basket? I think this would be good to stretch the abilities of the class, giving those that can do it something to feel good about, and those that struggle, something to aim for, maybe making them say things like "Wow, I wanna know how to do that!" I've very glad to report that Graham's workshop was excellent, and pretty much fulfilled my wishes, in that we were taught a few basic moves, but there was a one or two extra things which stretched me, and may have made the workshop more worthwhile to those with a lot more experience that me. :nice:

I also wrote a few days ago...

I've only done a grand total of three WCS classes, and one of them was six months before the other two. I've never tried a real, true freestyle WCS dance. It took me a while to do it in Ceroc, I imagine it'll take a while in WCS. Well today I managed two complete, real, true freestyle WCS dances. In the second I did end up falling back into a couple of MJ moves once, when my brain momentarily failed me – but that said, I apparently also managed to remember how to do a whip and maybe some other basic moves I guess I know – or maybe they were just logical variations of the other basic "pass" moves, and the like, that I have been taught...

Footwork mostly took care of itself. It was no-where near perfect, but the basic pattern was usually there...

Still not overwhelmed by the WCS bug – but I'll give it a chance... If I'm still standing by Monday evening, I might give Graham's class a visit... :)

Msfab
14th-May-2006, 11:19 AM
Still not overwhelmed by the WCS bug – but I'll give it a chance... If I'm still standing by Monday evening, I might give Graham's class a visit... :)

Dont give up just yet! It will take a few classes, and some longer than others, and then you wont want to stop swinging!:wink:

jacksondonut
14th-May-2006, 09:49 PM
Wonderful class.. had the chance to see Graham and his lovely lady in action and what a lovely sight they were... so stylish and well, words fail me..... :worthy::worthy: :drool:

It was the only lesson I wanted to do over the weekend... and was not disappointed. :drool: :drool: Made me feel as if I had learned something new and improved (I hope) on what I had already picked up in Twickers..

Heres hoping he decides to move to MK and start some classes here... hint, hint... :respect: :respect:

*goes off to start writing the begging letters...*

Jan
:cheers:

NB Ducasi, glad you enjoyed it..!! (and lovely to meet you..:flower: )

graham fox
15th-May-2006, 01:23 PM
Wonderful class.. had the chance to see Graham and his lovely lady in action and what a lovely sight they were... so stylish and well, words fail me..... :worthy::worthy: :drool:

It was the only lesson I wanted to do over the weekend... and was not disappointed. :drool: :drool: Made me feel as if I had learned something new and improved (I hope) on what I had already picked up in Twickers..

Heres hoping he decides to move to MK and start some classes here... hint, hint... :respect: :respect:

*goes off to start writing the begging letters...*

Jan
:cheers:

NB Ducasi, glad you enjoyed it..!! (and lovely to meet you..:flower: )

Thanks Jan...Glad you enjoyed the workshops :clap: . I really believe it was a success and everyone got something from it. Enjoyed meeting you and my dances with you. looking forward to the next big gathering.

Never know might end up im MK teaching at some point.:grin:

Well done everyone who took part in the workshops and styling class.

Graham

Tinkerbell
15th-May-2006, 01:58 PM
Graham and Kristina's dancing...wow...amazing! :respect:

The workshop at BFG was fab, I really enjoyed it :clap:

Planning on going along to Graham's class next Monday night to have another go (perhaps see you there Ducasi :wink: )

Think I might have been bitten by the wcs bug :D

Gill :nice:

Dorothy
18th-May-2006, 10:48 AM
Think I might have been bitten by the wcs bug :D
Gill :nice:

I am becoming more intrigued, haven't made it formally to classes yet. I was searching online for some west coast swing video clips and stumbled on www.wcsdance.co.uk (http://www.wcsdance.co.uk)- there are some excellent clips there. I hope to try out the classes on offer up here soon, aware of Grahams in Glasgow and the Edinburgh ones, any more?

Vicky
18th-May-2006, 12:04 PM
Graham and Kristina's dancing...wow...amazing! :respect:

The workshop at BFG was fab, I really enjoyed it :clap:

Think I might have been bitten by the wcs bug :D

Gill :nice:

:yeah: i Really enjoyed the class it was great to know that the woman can take control of the lead too ! i will defo be starting WCS:clap: .

once again thanks to Graham and Kristina for the fantastic workshop!!

luv Vicky :hug:

Icey
19th-May-2006, 08:03 PM
Graham and Kristina's dancing...wow...amazing! :respect:

The workshop at BFG was fab, I really enjoyed it :clap:

Same here :D




Planning on going along to Graham's class next Monday night to have another go (perhaps see you there Ducasi :wink: )

Ohh, if only I could :tears:


Think I might have been bitten by the wcs bug :D

Hmm, same here me thinks ... anyone know of a beginners WCS in/near High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire?

Msfab
22nd-May-2006, 02:05 PM
Just remembered! Cat taught us another hijack/style point/variation at last weeks WCS class (with Amir demoing). As the follow is returned down the slot - instead of the anchor step on the spot ready to be lead on the right foot. You can rock step with the left foot to the right hand side, where you achieve the opposite of compression (Ive lost the word) and then come back to face.
Ive tried it in freestyle - but kept forgetting so not sure how well it works in practice, although when remembered in class it was pretty cool.

Lory
22nd-May-2006, 02:13 PM
where you achieve the opposite of compression (Ive lost the word)

Leverage? Tension?:flower:

ducasi
22nd-May-2006, 04:37 PM
I'm planning to go to my first real, proper WCS class tonight. :sick:

Wish me luck! :blush:

Minnie M
22nd-May-2006, 05:05 PM
I'm planning to go to my first real, proper WCS class tonight. :sick:

Wish me luck! :blush:
Good luck from me :flower:

Stay with it, it does take a while for the footwork to sink in - when it does - you wil LOVE it :clap:

under par
23rd-May-2006, 03:35 AM
I'm planning to go to my first real, proper WCS class tonight. :sick:

Wish me luck! :blush:

Good luck ! braver man than me:respect:

ducasi
23rd-May-2006, 12:26 PM
Good luck ! braver man than me:respect:
Thanks, I rather enjoyed it... :nice:

You can read more about it here (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8592)...

jacksondonut
23rd-May-2006, 06:13 PM
AAAAHHHHHH, I am soooooo jealous....:tears: :tears:

missing my classes and buddies.. loads.. :sad:

cant wait to go back to Cat and Lee in Twickenham, when I am all healed up.... :yeah:

:cheers:

Kev F
23rd-May-2006, 06:19 PM
I'm planning to go to my first real, proper WCS class tonight. :sick:

Wish me luck! :blush:

Good luck...I get confused just thinking about it!:D

Simon
29th-May-2006, 04:06 PM
On the brochure for next weekend's Southport, Jiveaddiction have skillfully tempted WCS-ers with an advertisement for Kyle and Sarah at a February 2007 weekender. :worthy: Does anyone know if Kyle and Sarah's visit next spring will include teaching in other parts of the country while they're here? :waycool:

Minnie M
30th-May-2006, 07:36 PM
A really good MJ dancer asked me to dance to a swing track - the inspirational kind, I was feeling really on form, thought - great, going to enjoy this one..... then he asked " can you do WCS?" - even better I thought .................no............ he was awful, so I now ruined a perfect good dance with an excellent dancer :tears:

Yes I know selfish :blush: ..... sorry

Dorothy
13th-June-2006, 10:43 AM
A really good MJ dancer asked me to dance to a swing track - the inspirational kind, I was feeling really on form, thought - great, going to enjoy this one..... then he asked " can you do WCS?" - even better I thought .................no............ he was awful, so I now ruined a perfect good dance with an excellent dancer :tears:

Yes I know selfish :blush: ..... sorry

I know that feeling well, but I bet he enjoyed practising his west coast swing with you?????????

Minnie M
13th-June-2006, 01:15 PM
I know that feeling well, but I bet he enjoyed practising his west coast swing with you?????????
yes :whistle:

Have to say, on the other side of this, I very very rarely dance WCS with DavidB - mainly because of the fact I know I am only a novice comparied to him - and it wouldn't be fare to use him to practise

Geordieed
13th-June-2006, 01:38 PM
I know it may be a long way for some but for anyone who can make it there is a freestyle on at the Putney Club this Saturday. As well as WCS you can freestyle to MJ. Should make a great opportunity to practise with leads and follows of all levels.

DavidB
13th-June-2006, 01:54 PM
I cant help but think that maybe more and more dancers will get to the point of wanting more freestyle time and, well, give up driving a distance to get there.Looks like you have finally got your wish this Saturday. There is a class at 8:00, but there is also 2.5 hours of freestyle, from 9:00 to 11:30.

Msfab
13th-June-2006, 02:00 PM
I know it may be a long way for some but for anyone who can make it there is a freestyle on at the Putney Club this Saturday. As well as WCS you can freestyle to MJ. Should make a great opportunity to practise with leads and follows of all levels.

Im gutted - going to miss this one:( Will most definitely make the next one!

Simon
13th-June-2006, 02:13 PM
Im gutted - going to miss this one:( Will most definitely make the next one!:yeah: :sad:

DavidB
13th-June-2006, 02:22 PM
A couple of people have PMed me for more details. I don't know any more, other than Greg (Sheepman) is DJing.

Paul F
13th-June-2006, 02:35 PM
Looks like you have finally got your wish this Saturday. There is a class at 8:00, but there is also 2.5 hours of freestyle, from 9:00 to 11:30.

I really wish I could be there but thats definately a bit too far for me to go for one nights dancing :D

Hope its a fantastic night for anyone who goes :cheers:

Chef
13th-June-2006, 02:59 PM
Well I don't kknow if this will be considered advertising by the moderators but -

I cannot find any information on Cats website about it. I was handed a little note by Cat last sunday that said.

Sat 17th June

Ice breaker class 8pm. Freestyle with DJ greg (Sheepman) 8:45 to 11:30pm. It is at the Putney club at 63 upper richmond road (just type SW15 2RD into multimap.com to get a map).

You can contact Cat direct through her website (http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk) if you need further information.

I want to go along and will be trying to round up as many people from the now defunct Dartford WCS class to make the trip (although for some it would require a 3 hour drive each way!!!).

Shaz
13th-June-2006, 03:37 PM
Well I don't kknow if this will be considered advertising by the moderators but -

I cannot find any information on Cats website about it. I was handed a little note by Cat last sunday that said.

Sat 17th June

Ice breaker class 8pm. Freestyle with DJ greg (Sheepman) 8:45 to 11:30pm. It is at the Putney club at 63 upper richmond road (just type SW15 2RD into multimap.com to get a map).

You can contact Cat direct through her website (http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk) if you need further information.
........

Thanks for letting us know .... however, I am surprised the moderators left it when they have taken other advertising off :whistle:

Dizzy
13th-June-2006, 03:49 PM
I am finally going to try and make it to Twickenham this Wednesday :clap: :clap: for my first official WCS class :clap: :clap:

Hope to see everyone there :flower:

Chef
13th-June-2006, 03:58 PM
Thanks for letting us know .... however, I am surprised the moderators left it when they have taken other advertising off :whistle:

Well I guess that there will be about 40 - 50 people there. I don't think the Ceroc empire will crumble as a result. It was more of a public information thing really. We could have just all PMed each other but the post would just save a little time.

Keith J
16th-June-2006, 05:09 PM
Hi there Ceroc surrey endorses WCS big time and imports non CTA teachers on the whole to provide teaching so I do not think they will worry much either.

Now then to slight change of subject can we have a show of tuck-turns on who is going to support that WCS open freestyle competition at

W e s t o n S u p a m a r e

I see Paul & Cat booked for cabaret...

jacksondonut
16th-June-2006, 05:37 PM
I am finally going to try and make it to Twickenham this Wednesday :clap: :clap: for my first official WCS class :clap: :clap:

Hope to see everyone there :flower:


Hi Dizzy.... am hoping to be back there too, to visit, and see everyone..
hope to see you there..

Luv Jan
x

Mary
16th-June-2006, 09:13 PM
W e s t o n S u p a m a r e

I see Paul & Cat booked for cabaret...

Would that be to compete in Showcase or as a cabaret demonstration?

And Keith, are you competing and representing WCS? :wink: :worthy:

M

Paul F
3rd-July-2006, 09:33 AM
Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the WCS workshop yesterday.

I have missed dancing and everyone who goes so much it was great to meet up, chat and dance in what I thought was a relatively cool venue given it was 30 degrees outside :nice:

Big thanks to Cat and Paul and to Marilene who never seemed to stop doing things to make it an enjoyable event. A perfectly chilled afternoon :cheers:

Geordieed
3rd-July-2006, 10:10 AM
It was great to see you yesterday Paul. And yes that was a really good workshop. Can't wait for the next one later this month.

Alice
3rd-July-2006, 01:12 PM
It was great to see you yesterday Paul. And yes that was a really good workshop. Can't wait for the next one later this month.
Great workshop!! Well done to Cat and Paul for keeping us going on such a hot day. I learnt heaps and am looking forward to putting it all into practice:)

A massive :respect: to Marilene for ensuring the day went smoothly, including finding a mop and cleaning up a nasty patch on the floor so we could dance on it!

Great music, fabulous dances, and a lovely relaxed atmosphere (I'd say "chilled" but somehow that doesn't sound quite right given the heat of the day).

Bring on the next one:)

LilyB
9th-July-2006, 09:24 PM
Weston-Super-Mare Champs, Sat 22nd July

To-date, there has only been ONE entry in this category!!!:eek: :confused:

C'mon all you fans of WCS, please support this competition. Sherif and Jenny are making a hugely-commendable effort to promote WCS by holding this competition, the first ever at nation-level (that I am aware of) in the UK. So, to all those who profess to be fans of WCS and want the dance to be seen and appreciated by a wider section of the dance community, go send off your entry forms now!:flower:

Minnie M
9th-July-2006, 09:42 PM
Weston-Super-Mare Champs, Sat 22nd July

To-date, there has only been ONE entry in this category!!!:eek: :confused:

C'mon all you fans of WCS, please support this competition. Sherif and Jenny are making a hugely-commendable effort to promote WCS by holding this competition, the first ever at nation-level (that I am aware of) in the UK. So, to all those who profess to be fans of WCS and want the dance to be seen and appreciated by a wider section of the dance community, go send off your entry forms now!:flower:

:confused: I am sooooooooooooo surprised :really: what a shame :sad: where are all you 'Cat' students who go regularly to her classes, some of you are really good, come on it will be fun :flower: (Ed you are fantastic, Paul F, SpikeyB & K, John & Syd, Paul (don't know surname) Lory & Kev, Msfab, Sheepy etc etc)

Might be a little far for the Scottish Westies to come:tears: which is a real shame as IMHO some of the best WCS dances we have in the UK (with the exception of the ones who teach of course)

:innocent: if I had a partner I would enter :yeah:

Shaz
10th-July-2006, 09:49 PM
Weston-Super-Mare Champs, Sat 22nd July

To-date, there has only been ONE entry in this category!!!:eek: :confused:
I could enter with my partner (have done WCS at weekenders) and if no-one else enters, I could be a champ :whistle:

Seriously though, it will be a shame if there are no entries, they won't do it again next year, when I WILL be ready to enter (hopefully)

I know there are lots of lovely WCS dancers down south - PLEASE enter :flower:

Paul F
10th-July-2006, 10:28 PM
Weston-Super-Mare Champs, Sat 22nd July

To-date, there has only been ONE entry in this category!!!:eek: :confused:


I genuinely am sorry to hear that. Although I stated it was too early for a WCS comp I would have entered if it was going ahead and I was free.

It's never really been on the cards for me as I am in India when its on at WSM.

I dont think its a case of the WCS peeps not wanting to do it. I think it will be more a case of them not being able to. Lets not forget, MJ has a huge catchment area but some divisions struggle to get entrants.

WCS has a minute following at the moment in comparison. To expect all of the regulars that exist to be able to get to WSM, let alone compete, is unrealistic I feel. This is one of the reasons I thought this comp was coming too early.
Nevertheless, I would still be sad to hear of the division struggling.

Minnie M
11th-July-2006, 08:00 AM
.... To expect all of the regulars that exist to be able to get to WSM, let alone compete, is unrealistic I feel...........
T'is a real shame that some of our better Westie dancers are away at that time, however, there must be at least couple of hundred Westies accross the UK, not sure how many are actually going - but it is a real shame that only one couple is actually competing

Competitions are perfect for moving a dance style forward :clap: :yeah:

Msfab
11th-July-2006, 09:28 AM
Competitions are perfect for moving a dance style forward :clap: :yeah: I also thought/think that - but as someone said last night - there’s nothing worse for a dance style than to see it done badly (or not so good/as well as it should be done). Having said that there are a fair few who would/could do the WCS competition/dance justice!:respect:


come on it will be fun :flower: Id love to do it for the experience of a competition - with no pressure to win you could also enjoy the experience. (Although there is a little competitive side of me :innocent:)

Mary
11th-July-2006, 10:05 AM
T'is a real shame that some of our better Westie dancers are away at that time, however, there must be at least couple of hundred Westies accross the UK, not sure how many are actually going - but it is a real shame that only one couple is actually competing

Competitions are perfect for moving a dance style forward :clap: :yeah:


I agree with this, but I only think this is true if there are a healthy number of competitors. I also agree with Msfab that we need to see a good number of our more experienced/stylish WCS dancers if people are to be inspired.

I would like to give it a go but I don't have a partner and I think I'm in enough categories as it is!!!! :devil:

Perhaps the timing is not quite right just yet.

M

Dizzy
11th-July-2006, 10:13 AM
I did hear last night that WCS dancers have been put off from entering with talk that Cat and Lee might be entering themselves and nobody wants to compete against them!! :respect: :worthy: :worthy:

I don't know if this is true or not but I still don't think that this should put off people from entering anyway just for the chance of practicing their WCS moves. :clap: :worthy: :worthy:

Msfab
11th-July-2006, 10:34 AM
I did hear last night that WCS dancers have been put off from entering with talk that Cat and Lee might be entering themselves and nobody wants to compete against them!! :respect: :worthy: :worthy:


Yes and No! Of course they (+Paul Warden) are the best we have but you cant have a competition with only one couple can you?:confused:

Id love to give it a go (for the crack) but alas I have tried but failed to find a willing lead:innocent:. With only one other couple - We'd have a goodish chance of being in the top 2/3:rolleyes: :clap:

Chef
11th-July-2006, 10:53 AM
I did hear last night that WCS dancers have been put off from entering with talk that Cat and Lee might be entering themselves and nobody wants to compete against them!! :respect: :worthy: :worthy:

I don't know if this is true or not but I still don't think that this should put off people from entering anyway just for the chance of practicing their WCS moves. :clap: :worthy: :worthy:

I also heard that Cat and Lee were entering and thought the following

1) I was going to be at Beach Boogie anyway.

2) There are already people a thousand miles better than me anyway that could enter.

3) It would be a long and expensive trip merely to make the dance floor look less empty for Cat and Lee.

4) If I want to practice my WCS I can just do it at Beach Boogie. I don't need to travel to WSM. I could even do it at home.


Seriously. If Cat and Lee are entering I only need the fingers on one hand to think of anyone else in the country that would come close to giving them some competition. If Cat and Lee are entering who does that leave to do the judging?

Mary
11th-July-2006, 11:33 AM
If Cat and Lee are entering who does that leave to do the judging?


Oh, Chef. Why David and Lily of course, who were doing (rather well I believe) WCS in the US when Cat and Lee were wee bairns, and have watched the development of the dance style over the years. Well qualified I'd say. :worthy:

M

Chef
11th-July-2006, 11:42 AM
Oh, Chef. Why David and Lily of course, who were doing (rather well I believe) WCS in the US when Cat and Lee were wee bairns, and have watched the development of the dance style over the years. Well qualified I'd say. :worthy:

M

As you say, yes of course. Completely obvious now that it is pointed out.

I spent three hours in the company of an old friend on saturday and couldn't remember their name no matter how I tried. On sunday I suddenly remembered. I am not enjoying everything about getting older.

Lory
11th-July-2006, 11:45 AM
Very bizarrely, when I found out Cat and Lee were possibly going to enter, it actually made me feel more inclined to enter.....

I'm completely competition phobic usually and 'one' of the reasons is, I can't get over the thing that, people would look at me out there and think that she must think she's good but the reality is, I'm under no illusion that i'm on anything other than the first rung of the ladder. ;)

When I heard they might be entering, I thought, no one in their right mind would think I was 'in it to win it' when I'm up against the very people who we've been having lessons from for the past 6months, so we could just relax and enjoy it and show our support (along with our other fellow westies) for Cat and Lee and the WCS dance.:grin:

But as it is, it worked out I would have had to stay away from home for two nights and it's my birthday weekend and I don't think it have gone down too well with my family.

Personally, I'd like to see Cat and Lee win, I'm just sad I can be there to see them lift the trophy.:cheers:

Mary
11th-July-2006, 11:51 AM
Very bizarrely, when I found out Cat and Lee were possibly going to enter, it actually made me feel more inclined to enter.....

I'm completely competition phobic usually and 'one' of the reasons is, I can't get over the thing that, people would look at me out there and think that she must think she's good but the reality is, I'm under no illusion that i'm on anything other than the first rung of the ladder. ;)

When I heard they might be entering, I thought, no one in their right mind would think I was 'in it to win it' when I'm up against the very people who we've been having lessons from for the past 6months, so we could just relax and enjoy it and show our support (along with our other fellow westies) for Cat and Lee and the WCS dance.:grin:

But as it is, it worked out I would have had to stay away from home for two nights and it's my birthday weekend and I don't think it have gone down too well with my family.

Personally, I'd like to see Cat and Lee win, I'm just sad I can be there to see them lift the trophy.:cheers:

What about KevF - would he be interested? There are a number of ladies he would look great with as your substitute. Hmm, if that sounds wrong it's not meant to. :flower: :hug:

M

Lory
11th-July-2006, 12:09 PM
What about KevF - would he be interested? I know I shouldn't answer for him :blush: but I'm pretty sure he's coming to Ashtons to help celebrate my birthday. :clap:


There are a number of ladies he would look great with as your substitute.
I know :tears: :tears: :tears:

Mary
11th-July-2006, 12:29 PM
I know :tears: :tears: :tears:
Not that anyone could come anywhere close as a substitute.:worthy: (One massive pit that one has dug oneself in one swift motion - doh).

In the meantime, have a fantastic birthday celebration next weekend, sorry we won't be there to help party with you, Miss Crab (just).:cheers: :hug: :hug:

M

Sheepman
11th-July-2006, 12:42 PM
where are all you ... Sheepy Don't forget that Lily said there was ONE couple entered - I've got my ticket.

I was really looking forward to this, despite still feeling like a beginner at WCS when I have a bad day. I even persuaded Joy to come out of "competition retirement" for it. I was busy on Friday trying to persuade SpikeyB that it has to be done.

For those thinking that you need the expense of an overnight stay, last year I went down to WSM just for the day, OK it's an early start & a long day, but I still had the energy to enjoy the evening's dancing. (Then get the 4:30 a.m ferry over for Beach Boogie!)

Greg

LilyB
11th-July-2006, 12:43 PM
I did hear last night that WCS dancers have been put off from entering with talk that Cat and Lee might be entering themselves and nobody wants to compete against them!! :respect: :worthy: :worthy:
Is it a disgrace to come second to Cat and Lee???!!!:what: I would have thought most people would be proud to achieve such a result. I don't suppose anyone thinks any less of Rafael Nadal just because he lost to Federer.:flower:


I don't know if this is true or not but I still don't think that this should put off people from entering anyway just for the chance of practicing their WCS moves. :clap: :worthy: :worthy:
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Gus
11th-July-2006, 12:51 PM
Is it a disgrace to come second to Cat and Lee???!!!:what: Nah ... the REAL reason that the Southern Softies are cowering away is because a WCS couple from Stoke are coming down to kick their butts :devil: :devil: :wink:

Dare the Southerners take on some real competition?

ODA in wind-up mode .... just for a change

spindr
11th-July-2006, 01:03 PM
Don't think I've even seen a leaflet for any competition -- at least where Paul W's been teaching -- maybe Ceroc Surrey don't advertise Leroc2000 events?

SpinDr

Mary
11th-July-2006, 01:08 PM
Is it a disgrace to come second to Cat and Lee???!!!:what: I would have thought most people would be proud to achieve such a result.



Actually, with Cat and Lee entering is kind of takes the pressure off, and means the emphasis is more on just going out & strutting your stuff. It would also be quite something to be in the same round as Cat & Lee. :worthy: and something even more to be in the same winners line-up (i.e. 2nd or 3rd).

M

Sheepman
11th-July-2006, 01:13 PM
Southern Softies are cowering away is because a WCS couple from Stoke are coming down to kick their butts So why haven't they entered yet? :whistle:

I had wondered if any Westies from the line dancing scene might enter, I know there are some amazing dancers out there, because I've danced with a few of them at weekenders, the type that say "Oh I've done a little west coast swing." And then blow you away with how good they are.


I don't suppose anyone thinks any less of Rafael Nadal Maybe not, but not having watched any tennis this year, I thought "who?"until you mentioned Federer.
Coming second to Cat and Lee is certainly no disgrace, but I know some people think "what's the point?" For me the point is that the competitions are great fun, despite the nerves and exhaustion, and it gives me a reason for trying to improve my dancing.
At the current rate, I could be ready for the WSM by late July, 2007! :tears:

Greg

Msfab
11th-July-2006, 07:57 PM
In fact it wouldn't matter if anyone else did enter, and as they have won International competitions none of us mere mortals stand a chance - I can see why there is no one else competing now :tears:

If all else fails - theres always reverse psychology left to try! :rolleyes:

Sparkles
11th-July-2006, 08:02 PM
I never thought I'd see good competiton have a bad influence on dancing (I'm sure DJ will have something to say about that :rolleyes: ).
There's something wrong with this picture... when I can put my finger on exactly what it is I'll post more.

Lory
11th-July-2006, 08:17 PM
I can see why there is no one else competing now :tears:
Well, I heard a rumour a while back, that Claire and James from last years Strictly dance fever might enter? And maybe some of the UK's top line dancers?

oooh the speculation! :na:

Sheepman
17th-July-2006, 02:38 PM
I'm still waiting for news of anyone else entering WCS at WSM.... have the couple from Stoke been scared off by the competition? :rofl:

But if none of the Westies are going to Weston, then at least you should have plenty of energy for Sunday night at Slinky's in Greenwich - I'll be in the blues room, playing plenty of west coastable blues.

Greg

Cruella
17th-July-2006, 02:42 PM
But if none of the Westies are going to Weston, then at least you should have plenty of energy for Sunday night at Slinky's in Greenwich - I'll be in the blues room, playing plenty of west coastable blues.

Greg
:clap: I'll be there, make sure you bring the trophy with you Greg!

Lory
17th-July-2006, 04:47 PM
Here's a couple of very inspirational video's for us Westies, with the emphasis being on style:D

HERE (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6193054050524681905) and a very slick and 'together' group performance HERE (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5420219114879935908)

Enjoy :whistle:

Gadget
17th-July-2006, 08:54 PM
I never thought I'd see good competiton have a bad influence on dancing (I'm sure DJ will have something to say about that :rolleyes: ).
There's something wrong with this picture... when I can put my finger on exactly what it is I'll post more.
Possably that people are being coerced into entering a competition? Most arguments for them rely on "you don't have to enter - no-one's forcing you; leave them for those who want to"

Now folk may be thinking "well, I suppose I could - just to support the event/competiton" Is this the right motivation? Will this give the 'drive' and 'ambition' to improve your own dancing? The same as when you want to compete for yourself? What sort of atmosphere will it generate? I think that it may take a lot of the 'spark' out that makes people want to go to competitions.

Just a theory :flower:

Paul F
18th-July-2006, 05:17 AM
Possably that people are being coerced into entering a competition? Most arguments for them rely on "you don't have to enter - no-one's forcing you; leave them for those who want to"

Now folk may be thinking "well, I suppose I could - just to support the event/competiton" Is this the right motivation? Will this give the 'drive' and 'ambition' to improve your own dancing? The same as when you want to compete for yourself? What sort of atmosphere will it generate? I think that it may take a lot of the 'spark' out that makes people want to go to competitions.

Just a theory :flower:

:yeah:

DavidB
18th-July-2006, 10:50 AM
Possably that people are being coerced into entering a competition? Most arguments for them rely on "you don't have to enter - no-one's forcing you; leave them for those who want to"

Now folk may be thinking "well, I suppose I could - just to support the event/competiton" Is this the right motivation? Will this give the 'drive' and 'ambition' to improve your own dancing? The same as when you want to compete for yourself? What sort of atmosphere will it generate? I think that it may take a lot of the 'spark' out that makes people want to go to competitions.No you don't have to enter.

Equally organisers don't have to try to promote unpopular events - whether they be competitions, workshops or freestyles.

I have already advised 2 organisers not to run WCS workshops because they would not be financially viable. I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone to run a WCS competition in the future.

Geordieed
18th-July-2006, 12:42 PM
Brilliant:sad:

Now WCS is getting negative publicity. I just hope this competition doesn't do damage to all the hard work done in the past.

After months and years of teachers and pupils giving up time and alot of hard earned money from weekly classes and workshops it almost feels like we are being called ungrateful for not entering somebody elses competition.


How much thought was put into the idea. Fair enough you juggle making money with wanting to promote the dance but it might have been an idea to find out if enough people wanted it in the first place.

A new seed of interest was planted sometime ago but all that hard work will go to waste if you try to harvest it too early. Let it grow a little and keep its' roots planted. Competitions etc. will work but let it grow enough first so it can provide for those out there who want to feast of it. Just keep nurturing it.

We all know that there is interest out there. People are trying the dance at venues and weekenders. More people every year holiday at the events over in America and alot more teachers make the trip over here to teach a growing audience. We know people want it. Push the issue though and you will end up with nothing.

It is wrong to make people feel guilty for not paying up and taking part. Out of all the events and competitions north and south of the border does it have to be one that is not so heavily subscribed to that taps into WCS.

spindr
18th-July-2006, 01:11 PM
Now WCS is getting negative publicity. I just hope this competition doesn't do damage to all the hard work done in the past.
Perhaps running it in a location away from a number of WCS classes at the same time that a week long event (featuring WCS?) is on might not be too sensible?

Chin up, the popularity (or lack thereof) of the Leroc2000 salsa competition doesn't seem to adversely affected the salsa community -- in fact I don't even think that they realise that it's on :)

SpinDr

Rhythm King
18th-July-2006, 01:42 PM
Do you think the uptake for the competition would have been any different if it had been on the Saturday after the Beach Boogie WCS course?

Geordieed
18th-July-2006, 01:47 PM
You could say that Salsa is in a stronger position in this country than WCS at the moment. Salsa is more independant and unsurprisingly stayed away from a competition like the one in WSM. I think alot of Salsa dancers would not approach an event that was first and foremost a Modern Jive event.

Alice
18th-July-2006, 11:25 PM
Do you think the uptake for the competition would have been any different if it had been on the Saturday after the Beach Boogie WCS course?
Maybe a few months after the course....
I'm assuming that you mean that a lot of people would get all fired up by doing the course at BB- this would also imply that a lot of those people were not all fired up before they went.

Thus, you'd need to get them inspired at BB, then give them time to get to a few more classes after going to BB and decide to compete.

David Franklin
19th-July-2006, 09:34 AM
... it almost feels like we are being called ungrateful for not entering somebody elses competition.

How much thought was put into the idea. Fair enough you juggle making money with wanting to promote the dance but it might have been an idea to find out if enough people wanted it in the first place. I am somewhat in agreement that this competition could have been planned better. Given it's a new category for a new dance style, I think people would want a lot more information about how it was going to work: judges and judging criteria, rules, music etc. What is said on the LeRoc 2K website is very uninformative, and if I were a WCS competitor I'd be wondering what I'd be getting myself into.

Sadly, the organisers do have a bit of a reputation for adding in new categories they don't really understand and making a mess of them (e.g. playing a Merengue in the Salsa comp a couple of years back! :eek:). I know David/Lily are judging and choosing the music, which leaves me confident such a fiasco won't be repeated, but that's relatively recent news; that information needed to be publicised months ago.


It is wrong to make people feel guilty for not paying up and taking part. Out of all the events and competitions north and south of the border does it have to be one that is not so heavily subscribed to that taps into WCS.Despite what I've said above, I think the situation is "well, maybe they could have done it better, but if we want to see more WCS comps in the future, we need people to enter anyhow". I don't think it unreasonable for people to point this out, but on the other hand, I don't see it should go so far as making people feel guilty. As you say, WSM is not the most popular competition, and we all know competing is expensive both in time and money. I can completely understand people deciding there are other things they'd rather be doing.

For what it's worth, we've had a somewhat similar situation with the Ceroc comp when the aerials category was struggling for entrants. In the end, both years we had good reasons not to compete (injury in 05, moving house in 06), but to be honest, I can't see we would have done anyhow. Yes, we'd like to support the category, and it would be a shame if Ceroc dropped it due to lack of interest. But the bottom line was we didn't want to compete, and we saw no point putting time and effort and money into something we wouldn't actually enjoy.

Geordieed
19th-July-2006, 10:21 AM
Good reply. It makes good reading to get a point of view from another angle.

Rhythm King
19th-July-2006, 10:46 AM
Maybe a few months after the course....
I'm assuming that you mean that a lot of people would get all fired up by doing the course at BB- this would also imply that a lot of those people were not all fired up before they went.

Thus, you'd need to get them inspired at BB, then give them time to get to a few more classes after going to BB and decide to compete.

I was thinking more from a personal view, that I would feel a lot more confident after a week's beat-up of classes and practice. I agree with your implied thoughts that a WCS newbie wouldn't have time to learn the dance, find a partner and decide to book, all in a week. It's just the timing which is unfortunate. Maybe next year...

Cruella
24th-July-2006, 10:56 AM
Do any of you WCS dancers know of any dancing in the Orlando area? Or any links as to where i can find info. :flower:

spikey blond
24th-July-2006, 04:25 PM
I'd like to congratulate all those who took part in the WCS competition :clap: :clap: and hope that the fact there were so few entrants won't have an adverse effect on the dance as a whole as was suggested - that would be incredibly sad:sad: . The number of entrants shouldn't have any bearing on the interest in and enjoyment of WCS as a dance or be a reflection of the lack of interest. As I understand it the majority of WCS classes and hence dancers are centred around the south-east of England and in Scotland, purely on the basis of that is where the teachers are (apart from Chris in Manchester??), meaning that WSM is hardly on their doorstep. Some WCS dancers who might otherwise have competed may well have found the distance and expense of yet another weekend away too great. It does not mean that they do not support WCS and want to see it go from strength to strength. Additionally there are many folk around who love to dance but would never even entertain the notion of competing, particularly not just to demonstrate their support of the dance.

WCS is still in its infancy in this country and perhaps this competition was a tad early in the day to make an impact, but it sounds as if all those who competed really enjoyed themselves and I'm sure their performances and that of Cat and Lee would have put WCS firmly on the 'map' and will encourage others to take it up. Let's hope so!!

DavidB
24th-July-2006, 04:52 PM
I'm sure their performances and that of Cat and Lee would have put WCS firmly on the 'map' and will encourage others to take it up. Let's hope so!!Strangely enough, it was the performance of the other dancers that made just as much of an impact.
The comment I had was "It was nice to see WCS done by normal dancers and not professionals."

Minnie M
24th-July-2006, 05:02 PM
Strangely enough, it was the performance of the other dancers that made just as much of an impact.
The comment I had was "It was nice to see WCS done by normal dancers and not professionals."
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
(Note my comment on the WCS event)
We all know what amazing dancers Cat & Lee are, but to see the others out there strutting there stuff was fantastic and they were all good too - no rubbish :clap: just a shame there weren't more entrants. Hopefully Sherif and Jenni will include it again next year :flower:

:respect: Sherif:respect: Jenni:respect:
Thank you for all the hard work you put in we all appreciate it - and the proof is displayed by all our very happy faces.

ALSO:
IMHO it had the best line-up of judges for a UK based competition - they were amongst the finest dancers we have in this country and between them an all round knowledge of all categories, and their decisions were fair and just :worthy: :respect:

jacksondonut
4th-August-2006, 12:58 PM
:flower: Just popping my cheque in the post for the Bisley Workshop and Teadance on 10th September..:whistle: :whistle:

First time to Bisley and looking forward to Cat and Paul's expert tuition :yeah:

Hope to see lots of you there..:flower:

Jan
:cheers:

Lory
14th-August-2006, 10:45 PM
It appears from another thread that us 'swingers' are gaining a bit of a negative reputation :sad: (see this thread, from post #73) (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8952)



Is it justified?



Can 'all' westies do modern jive?



If a WCS track comes on, do you actively seek out other westies?



Have you ever refused to dance with anyone who can't do it?

ducasi
15th-August-2006, 12:32 AM
It sounds like a poll is called for!

(I have been turned down by at least one westie who wanted to dance WCS to a particular song.)

Dave Hancock
15th-August-2006, 08:34 AM
Is it justified?



Can 'all' westies do modern jive?



If a WCS track comes on, do you actively seek out other westies?



Have you ever refused to dance with anyone who can't do it?


1. Not sure if justified,

2. Can do a bit of modern jive

3. Yes if something comes on that is definately a WCS track then I would actively seek out a westie, just as as I would seek out someone that can do a bit of Latin if a cha cha track came on and I wanted to dance that, same goes for quickstep etc, I don't really buy into you can dance MJ to any song.

4. I have in the past turned people down when a WCS track has come on and I knew they didn't west coast, however normally I've said that I'd really like to dance WCS to that song and could I get them to the next song. At the end of the day when I go out for a night of dancing I want to enjoy myself and I have a preference for dancing WCS these days, given that when out at an MJ event there may not be a huge amount of WCS tracks whenever one comes on then yes I will actively seek out another swing dancer, sorry if it seems snobby but when I'm out in the evening first and foremost I want to enjoy myself.

spindr
15th-August-2006, 08:47 AM
It appears from another thread that us 'swingers' are gaining a bit of a negative reputation :sad: (see this thread, from post #73) (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8952)

Is it justified?

Possibly a tad. Most WCS dancers are still relative beginners, especially with regard to floor craft. Some WCS beginners seem to make the unreasonable assumption that "this slot is mine" -- even the half that isn't being used -- and don't bother to check that it is free before sending their partner into it (and other people). Maybe it takes a bit more experience to rotate a slot, or even move it around to avoid others? :devil:




Can 'all' westies do modern jive?

No. At least at one of the last lessons I've been to a Salsera turned up to the WCS class who'd never danced / heard of Ceroc.

If people are concentrating on dancing one dance style, then they may actively be avoiding other styles -- to avoid confusing themselves.

SpinDr

Lynn
15th-August-2006, 10:36 AM
At the end of the day when I go out for a night of dancing I want to enjoy myself and I have a preference for dancing WCS these days, given that when out at an MJ event there may not be a huge amount of WCS tracks whenever one comes on then yes I will actively seek out another swing dancer, sorry if it seems snobby but when I'm out in the evening first and foremost I want to enjoy myself.I was thinking about this aspect too - if there are limited opportunities to dance WCS and an appropriate track comes on at a MJ event - if someone is trying to learn WCS they will seek out other Westies to dance with to those tracks.

That's not the same as turning dances down though. And if its an MJ event, unless its specifically billed as a WCS room or 'time' (like the 'mini milonga' at Southport was 'tango time') then dancers should be willing to get up and dance MJ as well as WCS.

Refusing MJ dances, in favour of WCS dances, at an MJ event, runs the risk of sending out a 'dance snob' attitude. That's fine if you want to keep WCS to a small select group, but not if you want WCS to grow in terms of numbers and venues.

David Bailey
15th-August-2006, 10:52 AM
It appears from another thread that us 'swingers' are gaining a bit of a negative reputation :sad:
Ahh, they're just jealous. :innocent:


[B]
Is it justified?

No, of course not. Blimey, a couple of comments about the atmosphere at a single room is hardly a full-scale attack.

If you want to see a real snooty atmosphere, just pop downstairs at BFFF to the salsa room there. Or, hell, almost any Central London salsa venue. You don't know snooty until your salsa partner has been glared at solidly by two women for the duration of a dance, simply for the crime of being An Outsider... :eek:

On a "snootie scale" (!), I'd guess it's as follows, in ascending level of snootiness:

Ceroc
WCS
Tango
Salsa




Can 'all' westies do modern jive?

Well, why not? How difficult can it be - surely MJ is a vastly simplified cousin to WCS? It's like asking if a Cerocer can do Merengue - even if they can't, it'll take maybe 10 seconds for them to learn.

On the other hand, as I know nothing about WCS, I could be talking complete rubbish... :innocent:

DavidB
15th-August-2006, 11:06 AM
If you have only done WCS then two things can throw you off:
- the timing is a beat out from what you expect
- the lack of an anchor step gives you no time to recover

People who have learned in the US seem to have less of a problem because many of them learn Hustle as well.

David Franklin
15th-August-2006, 11:33 AM
If you have only done WCS then two things can throw you off:
- the timing is a beat out from what you expect
- the lack of an anchor step gives you no time to recover

People who have learned in the US seem to have less of a problem because many of them learn Hustle as well.For what it's worth, while in the US, I have had very good MJ dancers with WCS dancers, and very bad ones. Somewhat to my surprise, some WCS followers seem to expect quite a forceful lead, and those dances were usually the ones that didn't work. (The issue was partly that I had no wish to "force" a move on someone who'd never done MJ before, so if I encountered strong resistance, I'd just let them do what they wanted...)

spikey blond
15th-August-2006, 11:38 AM
I think some of the 'bad press' stems from the fact that those who do not dance WCS or haven't tried it feel to a certain extent that they are missing out on the fun. Because quite a lot of MJs have now moved across to WCS and now dance it from preference, those who have not done so feel that somehow they aren't 'good' enough anymore for the WCSers and that WCS dancers consider themselves somehow superior. That is rubbish - lots of people have started in MJ and have danced it exclusively for years and had great pleasure from the dance. There does however come a time when folk start to look to regain the initial buzz from dancing and this is often only achieved by changing dance style and tackling another challenge. That is certainly why I have moved to WCS and since taking it up my MJ style and technique has benifitted enormously - it has changed my perception of musicality.

I just hope that as more and more folk take up WCS the 'them and us' attitude will dissipate and we won't get the kind of ill-feeling which I sometimes sense at venues and the bad press will end.

Geordieed
15th-August-2006, 11:41 AM
For what it's worth, while in the US, I have had very good MJ dancers with WCS dancers, and very bad ones. Somewhat to my surprise, some WCS followers seem to expect quite a forceful lead, and those dances were usually the ones that didn't work. (The issue was partly that I had no wish to "force" a move on someone who'd never done MJ before, so if I encountered strong resistance, I'd just let them do what they wanted...)


I think the followers were trying to work off on leverage with you. This might have been the case if it was one of the top Pros. You could have let then know how you wanted to dance by altering the area of your handhold you were leading from. Either way you don't need to use force. It is still leading from the centre.

Lory
15th-August-2006, 11:56 AM
I think it's like anything, if you get a new toy, you want to play with it. :D

I would never refuse a dance with someone, simply cos they couldn't do a certain style :innocent: but then again, if a piece of music comes on that screams out WCS, Cha Cha or Tango, I wont lie, I certainly run my eye round the room to see if I can spot someone who'll give me the chance to dance the appropriate style. :blush:

It just makes the evening more interesting.;)

On the point, 'can all westies do MJ'? I know Lee struggles with it :really: and he dances several partner dances to competition standard :worthy:

Alice
15th-August-2006, 12:01 PM
On the point, 'can all westies do MJ'? I know Lee struggles with it :really: and he dances several partner dances to competition standard :worthy:
Make that international championship standard:whistle:

I believe Paul Warden finds MJ difficult too...

David Franklin
15th-August-2006, 12:38 PM
I think the followers were trying to work off on leverage with you. This might have been the case if it was one of the top Pros. You could have let then know how you wanted to dance by altering the area of your handhold you were leading from. Either way you don't need to use force. It is still leading from the centre.Er no. Actually the problems were pretty much all during compression. Don't forget we're talking dancing MJ with WCS dancers. And they were most definitely not pros - not even particularly strong WCS dancers as it was at a "walk-in" WCS class.

As far as force levels go, let me make the following observations: I have never met a WCS dancer taught in the UK where I felt I needed to use force when dancing WCS or MJ. I have most definitely met WCS dancers taught abroad where that was not the case, even when dancing a WCS move taught in the class. And the only time I'm aware Bryony was ever lead roughly enough to need to stop dancing was with a WCS dancer taught abroad. That's something that's not happened in years and years of dancing MJ (collisions excepted). I also note Nicola Royston's comment about an pro who will remain nameless:

Sometimes he uses enough force to rip your arm out of its socket if you're not expecting it!
None of which is intended to imply WCS is more forceful than MJ. It is intended to imply that any problems I had trying to lead MJ with someone who has only learnt WCS, might not all be automatically the fault of the MJ dancer. Now what were we talking about - oh yes, WCS snobs... :whistle:

Lory
15th-August-2006, 12:48 PM
WCS snobs... :whistle:
Quick question...

Where are all the regular twickenham snobs going to hang out tomorrow? As the class isn't on :nice:

Lynn
15th-August-2006, 01:13 PM
I would never refuse a dance with someone, simply cos they couldn't do a certain style :innocent: but then again, if a piece of music comes on that screams out WCS, Cha Cha or Tango, I wont lie, I certainly run my eye round the room to see if I can spot someone who'll give me the chance to dance the appropriate style. :blush: Absolutely. In fact I have had a friend point someone out that I didn't know, that they knew did tango, so that I could go over and ask him 'when a tango track comes on, can we have a dance'. In that instance, when the next tango track came on, if I had been asked before I reached him, I would have said 'I've already agreed to dance this track with someone'. And seeing other people WCS, or tango or cha cha at other events is lovely to watch.

Perhaps there is the perception that WCS dancers, at MJ events, might turn MJ dances down, even when they have no prearranged WCS dances. It may well be a false perception, or a minority or occasional occurance rather than a pattern, but if it gains momentum, it may put MJ dancers off trying WCS.

Geordieed
15th-August-2006, 02:11 PM
I have never met a WCS dancer taught in the UK where I felt I needed to use force when dancing WCS or MJ.

We are very lucky to have the teachers that we do. Having danced in America I know that I would not have felt as comfortable as I did if it wasn't for the teachers I learnt from in the past 2-3 years in this country.

For me living in London I realise how lucky we are to have Cat and Lee teaching regularly at Twickenham. If you wanted to learn WCS I would recommend them. Even if you take away some techniques to improve your MJ the classes are excellent for learning ways to improve your basic dancing. Snob or no snob.:whistle:

Minnie M
15th-August-2006, 07:32 PM
I think it's like anything, if you get a new toy, you want to play with it. :D

I would never refuse a dance with someone, simply cos they couldn't do a certain style :innocent: but then again, if a piece of music comes on that screams out WCS, Cha Cha or Tango, I wont lie, I certainly run my eye round the room to see if I can spot someone who'll give me the chance to dance the appropriate style. :blush:

It just makes the evening more interesting.;)
:yeah: good post :yeah:
I remember when I first learnt WCS - I was a complete nutter, dragging everyone and anyone on the floor to practice.

Now, I am not bothered what style I dance, I dance to the dance choice of my partner:flower: .

jacksondonut
22nd-August-2006, 04:21 PM
SOOO..... who is coming to Bisley on the 10th then???

Jan
xx

Gus
22nd-August-2006, 04:59 PM
Guys, does anyone know anything about Steve Dunn? I've seen him dance and was suitably impressed) and he may be doing a showcase for us soon ... but I don't know much about him other than he's a highly rated line dancer and is a WCS teacher. Anything to add?

Donna
22nd-August-2006, 05:11 PM
Guys, does anyone know anything about Steve Dunn? I've seen him dance and was suitably impressed) and he may be doing a showcase for us soon ... but I don't know much about him other than he's a highly rated line dancer and is a WCS teacher. Anything to add?

Is that the same guy that was in chester a couple of weeks ago?

Gus
22nd-August-2006, 07:13 PM
Is that the same guy that was in chester a couple of weeks ago?Yup. turns out he and his partner are Euro or World champions at some line dance format ... but would like to get an objective view of their WCS credentials. They looked spot on to me but then I'm not a Westie.

Msfab
23rd-August-2006, 06:04 PM
Found this new clip of Kyle and Sarah in Paris earlier this year!
Speeded up/Dancy version of Dolly's "9 To 5" song - One of my favs!:clap:

WittyBird
23rd-August-2006, 06:23 PM
Found this new clip of Kyle and Sarah in Paris earlier this year!
Speeded up/Dancy version of Dolly's "9 To 5" song - One of my favs!:clap:

And do we all get to see this new clip or is it only for penguins?:what:

Msfab
23rd-August-2006, 06:26 PM
And do we all get to see this new clip or is it only for penguins?:what:

Yes its only for Penguins and Georgeous people!:rolleyes:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-336602705515619027&q=west+coast+swing&hl=en

Minnie M
23rd-August-2006, 06:34 PM
Yes its only for Penguins and Georgeous people!:rolleyes:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-336602705515619027&q=west+coast+swing&hl=en

Kyle & Sarah are amazing .............. but I love the 'next' video, a french couple freestyling and they looked so kwell :waycool:

Msfab
23rd-August-2006, 06:44 PM
but I love the 'next' video, a french couple freestyling and they looked so kwell :waycool:

:yeah:
Im going to see if i can work out the move/pattern towards the end of their dance (around 2 min 50s). Catapute type move.

kriss
23rd-August-2006, 07:33 PM
Hiya Gus, Ive known Steve for years. He s ace :respect: !! I was trained by him for competing and most line dance and couple dancers are trained by him and his wife for a number of different sections at competitons.

Check out their website www.headliners.org.uk

His showcase work is fab with any of his dancers he dances with.

Hope this helps...xx

Simon
24th-August-2006, 01:12 PM
:yeah:
Im going to see if i can work out the move/pattern towards the end of their dance (around 2 min 50s). Catapute type move.Watch out, it ends with a COMB! :wink:

Gus
24th-August-2006, 01:16 PM
Hiya Gus, Ive known Steve for years. He s ace :respect: !! I was trained by him for competing and most line dance and couple dancers are trained by him and his wife for a number of different sections at competitons.

Check out their website www.headliners.org.uk

His showcase work is fab with any of his dancers he dances with.

Hope this helps...xxHUGE thanks. Thought they were good ... didn't realise how good. Funny thing is there were three couples there and I thought the younger couple were Steve and his lass :blush:

Simon
24th-August-2006, 01:21 PM
Found this new clip of Kyle and Sarah in Paris earlier this year!
Does anyone have a link to a diary of dance events in France that include WCS? :flower:

Msfab
24th-August-2006, 08:34 PM
Does anyone have a link to a diary of dance events in France that include WCS? :flower:

I found these! Theyre in French!
http://pagesperso.aol.fr/houbadanses/m14.html
http://westcoastswing.free.fr/westcoastswingfrance/portal.php
http://www.houbadanses.com/

WittyBird
25th-August-2006, 12:36 AM
I found these! Theyre in French!
http://pagesperso.aol.fr/houbadanses/m14.html
http://westcoastswing.free.fr/westcoastswingfrance/portal.php
http://www.houbadanses.com/


For me being fluent in French and Bullsh1t I found them interesting and easy to understand:D Great work msfab do you have a sequel in German for the likes of Andreas?

Minnie M
25th-August-2006, 12:52 AM
Does anyone have a link to a diary of dance events in France that include WCS? :flower:
My American buddy Abel has told me about a WCS weekend in France next year (only WCS) when he has got all the details together and lets me know, I will post them on the forum and maybe we can get a group together to go there. (Abel was on the same Skippy Blair 'Teachers' course Brady & Crew were on this year, and is now teaching - he has been dancing WCS many years and has been demo'ing with some top WCS pros.

Msfab
25th-August-2006, 08:56 AM
Great work msfab do you have a sequel in German for the likes of Andreas?

Have a go at this one in Switzerland all linked by Olivier Massart (Anyone heard of him?) http://www.swing4joy.ch/images/agenda/Westcoast%20Workshop_Pasadena_2006_01_21.pdf
Also found this WCS party opening night in Switzerland - looks like it maybe the start of a regular night.
http://66.249.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.badenertanzcentrum.ch/start.cfm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DOlivier%2BMassart%2B%2522west%2Bcoast %2Bswing%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGEUA,GEUA: 2006-14,GEUA:en
And heres a weekly class: http://www.badenertanzcentrum.ch/start.cfm?Header=header.cfm?RubrikID=4&Navigation=navigation.cfm?RubrikID=4&StartPage=events/events.htm

Sorry I couldnt find anything happening in Germany. Switzerlands not to far though!:whistle:
Is that ok Witty?:innocent:

Geordieed
25th-August-2006, 09:17 AM
Sorry I couldnt find anything happening in Germany. Switzerlands not to far though!:whistle:
Is that ok Witty?:innocent:


There is a WCS teacher in Germany who did plan to get WCS going there. Her name is Corrin and is an American dancer who moved to Germany this year after marrying a German guy. She was trained by Skippy and goes for the style of Marie Ann Nunez who is one of the major names in WCS in America. I haven't heard from her in a while but she did do some dancing in this country both in London and Scotland. I haven't heard from her for months now. Perhaps any of the guys in Scotland might have heard from her.

Simon
25th-August-2006, 10:45 AM
My American buddy Abel has told me about a WCS weekend in France next year (only WCS) when he has got all the details together and lets me know, I will post them on the forum and maybe we can get a group together to go there.Sounds like a plan! :cheers:


Yes its only for Penguins and Georgeous people!:rolleyes:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-336602705515619027&q=west+coast+swing&hl=enThe "9th" video on this link is Benji Schwimmer and Deborah Szekely competing in a Jack and Jill competition. The performance is brilliant :worthy: :worthy: but the clip says they came second. Anyone know which competition this was, when it was, and who came first? :waycool:

Geordieed
25th-August-2006, 11:04 AM
Sounds like a plan! :cheers:

The "9th" video on this link is Benji Schwimmer and Deborah Szekely competing in a Jack and Jill competition. The performance is brilliant :worthy: :worthy: but the clip says they came second. Anyone know which competition this was, when it was, and who came first? :waycool:



Starters for ten. If you look at the background the logo is for Boogie by the Bay in San Francisco. Plus you can see the hotel logo for the Hyatt Hotel which seals it. The difficult bit is what year. Not a clue over to someone else.

Msfab
25th-August-2006, 11:16 AM
Anyone know which competition this was, when it was, and who came first? :waycool:

The difficult bit is what year. Not a clue over to someone else.

2002 - First place were - Tatiana Mollmann & Angel Figueroa (Clips included)
http://www.tngsdc.org/bbtb/2002/cjj/

Geordieed
25th-August-2006, 11:20 AM
We love the internet...:cheers:

Geordieed
25th-August-2006, 11:34 AM
Good bit of teamwork. I still marvel at the way people can come together using the internet.

Sorry. Forgot to add love the improvising of Tatiana doing the splits on one of the other clips found on the same page.

Minnie M
25th-August-2006, 05:22 PM
Geordied's post from the Twickenham thread -as I thought posting to this thread more appropriate :-


.. Dancing WCS with you is fab too. You remind me of the women I have danced with in America..........
Thank you sooooooooooooo much for your very very kind words - wow :blush: wow again :blush: now that IS a major compliment, especially as I think my WCS is cr@p

I truly don't rate my WCS, mainly because I don't dance it much - it is such a lovely dance too :flower: I hope I get some dances in at Southport though :clap:

My style must be different as I have never had a Cat or a Lee class, I learnt from Robert Cordoba :respect: many years ago and some of the other Pros :worthy: , plus some help from David & Lily :respect: :worthy: so....... if any of you leads want to find out how different my style is - please ask me to dance (I need the practise :flower: ) thanks :flower: :hug:

BTW I hope to get some help from Graham & Christina - they are such fab dancers and great teachers and they will be at Southport too :clap:

Apologies for this post - but to get such a compliment for my WCS dancing has me so excited I had to thank Ed publically

Caro
27th-September-2006, 12:00 AM
I found these! Theyre in French!
http://pagesperso.aol.fr/houbadanses/m14.html
http://westcoastswing.free.fr/westcoastswingfrance/portal.php
http://www.houbadanses.com/

sorry just woke up to that thread :blush:

Guess by now you figured the classes :rofl: but just in case, this is a summary for what's on in Paris:
- weekly classes (houbadance) tuesday 19.30 to 20.30; 42 rue de Rochechouart in the 9th arrondissement.
- parties every sat (20.30 to 2.00) and sun (14.00 to 19.00) rock/swing (not just WCS).
- no WCS workshop planned until january 2007 (will come back to that in a minute).

more parties info from here (http://www.touchdanceprod.com/soirees_liste.php) (outside of Paris) http://www.touchdanceprod.com/soirees_liste.php

Now for the WCS week-end in Paris 26 to 28/01/07 with Jordan & Tatiana and Parker & Jessica, I am definately going to that (I have planned my assignment to Cameroon to be back just in time for this :grin: ) !!!
All details have been posted here (http://westcoastswing.free.fr/westcoastswingfrance/viewtopic.php?t=303) (sorry in French again :flower: )

Summary:
- parties friday and sat evening
- 4 levels: beginners (8 hours classes), improvers (8h), intermediates (8h), pros (6h - teachers only). You can do just one level (100 euros) or combine 2 (beg+imp or imp+int) (170 euros). Classes take place on sat and sun.
- prices go up after 15th dec, discount if you book as a couple (any guy interested to book with me :whistle: ? PM me please!)
- 1 party 12 euros, 2 for 20
- revision class on friday evening 25 euros

It all takes place outside of Paris so it looks like hiring a car will be necessary. If people are interested we could try and organise something to lower the cost of accomodation and transport.

Can't wait to be there :clap: :clap: :clap:

Minnie M
27th-September-2006, 07:29 AM
Now for the WCS week-end in Paris 26 to 28/01/07
That's the weekend before Southport where Kyle & Sarah :respect: :worthy: are :tears: not sure if I can do 2 such big weekenders back to back :sad:

Msfab
24th-October-2006, 06:43 PM
Found this new Youtube video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNZhw6H2Mc4 Its not necessarily the dancing - more the ladies choice of words that took me!:clap:

MartinHarper
30th-October-2006, 03:14 PM
Yeay for WCS-style hand bounces.

Kev F
30th-October-2006, 06:42 PM
For anyone who is going to Cats WCS this Wednesday 1st November

It's at the same place as last week.:nice:

St. Mary’s Church Hall
Church Street
Twickenham
TW1 3NJ
Free parking in opposite York House Car Park
Walking distance from Twickenham BR Station
7:30pm start.

jacksondonut
30th-October-2006, 07:16 PM
:flower:
For anyone who is going to Cats WCS this Wednesday 1st November

It's at the same place as last week.:nice:

St. Mary’s Church Hall
Church Street
Twickenham
TW1 3NJ
Free parking in opposite York House Car Park
Walking distance from Twickenham BR Station
7:30pm start.


OOhhh .... thanks.... I had forgotten too....:eek: :eek: :what:
I hope to see you all there...:yeah:
:flower: :hug: :flower:

Jamie
31st-October-2006, 03:07 PM
I've just started West Coast Swing! I absolutely love it! I only know a couple of moves picked up off a southport DVD, unfortunately there aren't any classes I know of in the Yorkshire area so I'm having to stick to DVDs at the minute.

A few of my friends are planning on making our own classes up from what we've all learned. Can't wait!

I absolutely fell in love with WCS the minute I saw it, I love the whole elastic feel to it, the music is just me all over!

Can anyone reccomend me some WCS tracks?

Lynn
31st-October-2006, 03:11 PM
I've just started West Coast Swing! I absolutely love it! I only know a couple of moves picked up off a southport DVD, unfortunately there aren't any classes I know of in the Yorkshire area so I'm having to stick to DVDs at the minute. I'm doing that too. No classes in NI - in fact can't find any classes in Ireland at all, though have tracked down someone who on occasion organises workshops with visiting teachers. But it is possible to get the basics - if you find any good DVDs let me know please?

Jamie
31st-October-2006, 03:13 PM
I'm doing that too. No classes in NI - in fact can't find any classes in Ireland at all, though have tracked down someone who on occasion organises workshops with visiting teachers. But it is possible to get the basics - if you find any good DVDs let me know please?

A friend of mine has hundreds, and is already a MJ teacher so she will be teaching our group.. I'll try to find out which DVD's are really good and will list some here.

Lynn
31st-October-2006, 03:26 PM
A friend of mine has hundreds, and is already a MJ teacher so she will be teaching our group.. I'll try to find out which DVD's are really good and will list some here.Thanks. (Presume you buy them from US and I might need to get an 'all region' DVD player?)

Jamie
31st-October-2006, 03:32 PM
Thanks. (Presume you buy them from US and I might need to get an 'all region' DVD player?)

I shall ask, I just know last time I went to her house I saw loads of DVDs of championships and teaching dvds and even teaching teachers how to teach wcs dvds!

I shall find ouf for you and list some names, I would however think that most would be US imports..

Chef
31st-October-2006, 03:33 PM
I am not sure if anyone is interested but I found out last weekend that Cat is thinking of running a beginners only workshop for WCS in a London venue in the near future. Getting the basic footwork patterns and principles into your soul can be quite difficult at the start of learning WCS. I know from having been through Cats course before that it is an excellent way to get a really good start in WCS and much less frustrating than having only one class of foundation stuff before the next, higher level class kicks off and leaves the newcomers feeling that they are floundering.

If you know any dancing friends that would be interested in a beginners workshop perhaps you can point then to Cats website.

Lory
31st-October-2006, 03:54 PM
Can anyone reccomend me some WCS tracks?

Try THIS thread :flower: (http://72.232.216.214/forum/showthread.php?t=6058&highlight=west+coast+swing+music)

Jamie
31st-October-2006, 04:35 PM
Try THIS thread :flower: (http://72.232.216.214/forum/showthread.php?t=6058&highlight=west+coast+swing+music)

Thanks very much :waycool:

Dynamo
1st-November-2006, 01:47 AM
I am not sure if anyone is interested but I found out last weekend that Cat is thinking of running a beginners only workshop for WCS in a London venue in the near future. .....
If you know any dancing friends that would be interested in a beginners workshop perhaps you can point then to Cats website.

:yeah: We are several west of London interested

I know Cat, but whats her website called < being thick here me :blush: >

Jamie
1st-November-2006, 02:29 AM
:yeah: We are several west of London interested

I know Cat, but whats her website called < being thick here me :blush: >

I believe it's http://www.westcoastswing.co.uk/ :)

Chef
3rd-November-2006, 11:08 AM
:yeah: We are several west of London interested

I know Cat, but whats her website called < being thick here me :blush: >

I recieved an email this morning that told me that there will be a 3 hour beginners workshop on Sun 19th Nov at Putney. This will be followed by 3 hours of WCS freestyle time to help embed what you have learned. It may be short notice for some people (like two weeks) but if you are interested in WCS I feel it would be an extremely valuable way of getting off of the confusing bottom rung of this dance.

Check out her website for further information.

Paul F
6th-November-2006, 10:59 AM
Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the WCS tea-dance yeaterday (Sunday).
After 4 hours of mind melting ballroom practice in the afternoon I was a bit unsure whether I wanted to go 'swinging' or not but I am so glad I did.

Was fab to see so many people doing the workshops :what: An amazing number!
Really enjoyed every dance.

A great, albeit short, afternooon :nice:

:cheers:

Dizzy
6th-November-2006, 11:18 AM
A great, albeit short, afternooon :nice:

:cheers:

Um, yeah - seeing as that you were only there for the last hour!! :what:

I really enjoyed yesterdays workshop and Paul worked us really heard. :worthy: The concepts of everything were just mind-melting but it felt good to walk away knowing that I had learnt something and use it in my dancing :clap:

ps. the Chinese afterwards was great - thanks to everyone for inviting me.

Lynn
6th-November-2006, 02:26 PM
I recieved an email this morning that told me that there will be a 3 hour beginners workshop on Sun 19th Nov at Putney. This will be followed by 3 hours of WCS freestyle time to help embed what you have learned. It may be short notice for some people (like two weeks) but if you are interested in WCS I feel it would be an extremely valuable way of getting off of the confusing bottom rung of this dance. Me too and I'd love to go. Sadly the short notice means expensive flights, finding somewhere to stay etc and therefore its not practical for me. But it sounds perfect as a way of getting started.

I did get the (very rare in NI) opportunity to follow a couple of WCS dances (thanks Steve!) at the weekend. Its going to be slow progress for me, but I'm used to that now. (Why do I keep wanting to learn dances that hav no classes in NI?).

Msfab
6th-November-2006, 08:22 PM
Check out Cats website for further information.

And you get revision DVD of everything taught included in the price - That cant be bad!:respect:

Sheepman
7th-November-2006, 03:37 AM
This will be followed by 3 hours of WCS freestyle time to help embed what you have learned. Ahem, 3 and a 1/2 hours actually! And I don't suppose I'll be packing up in a rush if people still want to dance.

Greg

Chef
7th-November-2006, 11:16 AM
And you get revision DVD of everything taught included in the price - That cant be bad!:respect:

I had a chat with Cat yesterday and indeed this is true. So glad this is going to happen. I also found out that Cat is going to have a number of experienced WCS dancers along to act as "taxi" dancers to the people on the course. As you say MsFab - That can't be bad.

Lynn
7th-November-2006, 11:20 AM
I had a chat with Cat yesterday and indeed this is true. So glad this is going to happen. I also found out that Cat is going to have a number of experienced WCS dancers along to act as "taxi" dancers to the people on the course. As you say MsFab - That can't be bad.Is she going to run another one at any stage? I'd be interested if I had a bit more notice.

Chef
7th-November-2006, 12:32 PM
Is she going to run another one at any stage? I'd be interested if I had a bit more notice.

Probably best to email her direct (via her website - see above). The more people that make enquiries then I would imagine that the more likely it will be. Cat and Lee are both very busy people and I get the impression that this workshop is testing the strength of the market. The short notice will probably be working against them though.

I have told all the people that I know who have been talking about wanting to make a start on WCS about the workshop. The short notice is a bit of a bind especially as people get a lot of events booked up in their diaries in the run up to christmas. A lot of people from quite far away have asked me about this workshop and said that it was a long way to come just for one afternoon and said they would consider coming if there was an event on the saturday so that they could get a B&B and make a whole weekend of it to justify the travel costs. Then you are starting to move into the idea of a WCS weekender (the trip to Paris at end Jan may serve your needs better). However, people really need to express these views direct to the organisers of events because if we don't tell them that there is a potential market out there then they are unlikely to meet the needs of the market.

I do like the idea of the revision DVD to take away from the class. So much of the time people want to dance WCS, make a start, fail to embed the fundementals and just give up. That is bad for me because there is rarely enough dancers in one place to keep a regular class going or to have people to dance with. It is also bad for the teachers because they have a lot of people who want to make a start but so many of them give up that they have a small number of people that keep coming back for lessons week after week (and provide a decent income for the teachers).

Lynn
7th-November-2006, 01:20 PM
A lot of people from quite far away have asked me about this workshop and said that it was a long way to come just for one afternoon and said they would consider coming if there was an event on the saturday so that they could get a B&B and make a whole weekend of it to justify the travel costs. Then you are starting to move into the idea of a WCS weekender (the trip to Paris at end Jan may serve your needs better). However, people really need to express these views direct to the organisers of events because if we don't tell them that there is a potential market out there then they are unlikely to meet the needs of the market.I would travel for it, and a MJ freestyle on the Sat would be a good addition to make a weekend of it for me, and catching up with friends. And I'd probably learn as much as going to Paris - (I did think about it but flight times and costs ruled it out). I just would have needed more notice. I'll email Cat and ask if there will be another one. I do think its a great idea - a good intro to WCS - enough to get me through the basics that I could then build on with freestyling at weekenders.

Keith J
7th-November-2006, 01:56 PM
On the brochure for next weekend's Southport, Jiveaddiction have skillfully tempted WCS-ers with an advertisement for Kyle and Sarah at a February 2007 weekender. :worthy: Does anyone know if Kyle and Sarah's visit next spring will include teaching in other parts of the country while they're here? :waycool:

Hi matey, the word on the street is Sarah's baby is due so they have had to cancel. We have though the amazing Parker Dearborn & Jessica Cox as replacements confirmed. They are 'ab fab', swingers, are great teachers as well.

Zebra Woman
7th-November-2006, 05:01 PM
I recieved an email this morning that told me that there will be a 3 hour beginners workshop on Sun 19th Nov at Putney. This will be followed by 3 hours of WCS freestyle time to help embed what you have learned. It may be short notice for some people (like two weeks) but if you are interested in WCS I feel it would be an extremely valuable way of getting off of the confusing bottom rung of this dance.

I have just sent off my cheque for the 19th. :grin:

I would be happy to just to get onto the bottom rung of this dance. I fear it may take me a lot more than 6 hours, but I have to start somewhere.

Nice idea 'the revision CD', I can see that being very useful....:respect:

ZW