Photos

[LMC]

Can we please have some agreement and a forum policy on posting photos?

I've just been told that I'm being unreasonable for asking for photos containing me to be removed and also told that I shouldn't have allowed them to be taken in the first place if I didn't want them posted on here.

For a start, I didn't know they were going to be posted and I was not asked if I was happy with this.

For a second, I hate all of them and said at the time they were taken that I hated them and asked for them to be deleted from the camera.

Perhaps I am over-reacting - but I really don't care if "no-one else minds" - I DO.

Thoughts please? - on a general policy rather than this specific incident

[Gus]

Perhaps I am over-reacting - but I really don't care if "no-one else minds" - I DO.

Thoughts please? - on a general policy rather than this specific incidentI think one of the professional photographers, e.g. Feelingpink or Danielle, are better placed to comment, but I thought there needed to be some kind of model release form signed before you were allowed to publish a photo for public consumption.

As to your request for them to be removed, totaly agree!

[El Salsero Gringo]

I think one of the professional photographers, e.g. Feelingpink or Danielle, are better placed to comment, but I thought there needed to be some kind of model release form signed before you were allowed to publish a photo for public consumption.I don't think that's the case for a picture taken in an open place; otherwise candid shots of celebrities and others would instantly disappear from newspapers. Anyway, wasn't there something in the event tickets about who owns the rights to filiming or photographs?


I've just been told that I'm being unreasonable for asking for photos containing me to be removed I agree that it's an unreasonable request. unless they're showing your underwear or otherwise 'defamatory'. I suppose a phtotographer that you know might be persuaded to accede to your wishes, but if they choose not to, you'll just have to put up with it.

So I suppose that means send them a PM, but otherwise stop complaining!

(As a general point, why is it almost always the women who object to photos of themselves? Or is that just an old fashioned prejudice in my mind?)

[LMC]

I did send a PM.

And the photos may not be defamatory, but I never look good on film - I just always seem to have a stupid expression on my face :( - maybe I do, but that doesn't mean I want it recorded for posterity. Which is why I said at the time that I didn't like them. I was angry and upset to see photos of me which I don't like posted for anyone to see.

Anyway, the original question was "can we have a general forum policy on posting photos?".

[Piglet]

Anyway, the original question was "can we have a general forum policy on posting photos?".

I would guess that that would be too hard to "police" or monitor - and I'm not sure I would agree with making this more difficult for people who have taken photos and want to share them which a lot of us appreciate seeing.

It would be such a shame if there were no more photos posted - you've always got the problem of a couple being photographed and about half a dozen other people being in the background - how would you track them all down?

I guess I'm saying that personally I wouldn't want to see any restrictions placed on photo posting. (Being a woman :whistle: ) I can see your point of view, but I think you've just got to raise yourself above your worries - as you said, probably no-one else is as affected by the photos of yourself as you are. I'd love to know which ones are you, but you're probably not going to tell me.....

[El Salsero Gringo]

Anyway, the original question was "can we have a general forum policy on posting photos?".Franck's the one to set Forum policies, but if anyone wants to express a preference they might do so here (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6456).

[SilverFox]

What a load of old vanity nonsense!

No one else has complained about looking at pictures of you - well not publicly :devil: - so why should you? It's really quite simple, if you don't like looking at the photos of yourself, then don't look at them.

There is nothing rude, embarassing or compromising about these shots.

What the photos show is what we all see when face to face with you, so get over it. It's the face you were born with and the camera never lies.......

[stewart38]

What a load of old vanity nonsense!

No one else has complained about looking at pictures of you - well not publicly :devil: - so why should you? It's really quite simple, if you don't like looking at the photos of yourself, then don't look at them.

There is nothing rude, embarassing or compromising about these shots.

What the photos show is what we all see when face to face with you, so get over it. It's the face you were born with and the camera never lies.......

This isnt about removing an 'individual photo' of a person thats a different story.

This is about removing photos of up to 5 people or more in group shots where one person doesnt like her or him self thats got me angry :mad:

Maybe ill cut them out and try again or am i being silly just accept no more photos at weekenders and I have such a lovely digital camera :sad:

[tsh]

In general, the subject of a photo is legaly entitled to say what can and can't be done with the photo. The photographer also owns some sort of copyright on his artistic contribution to the work.

I'm sure google can provide a reputable source for this. I can't be bothered...

[David Franklin]

It's the face you were born with and the camera never lies.......What rubbish. Actually Daniel Bedingford looks like Brad Pitt but the evil cabal have engaged in a conspiracy so that every camera lens and mirror distorts his features...


Lyrics from 'James Dean', sort of...
Could have my teeth flashing a Brad Pitt smile
Be wearing versace ’cause that’s my style
Could have my hair cut by the extra mile
If the lens can’t make it worth my while
then what’s the point now?

[LMC]

What a load of old vanity nonsense!
Abso-b****y-lutely.

I said I hated those photos and as it happens, I don't believe I am as fat and ugly in real life as I believe they made me look. Having said at the time they were taken that I didn't like them, posting them for 1500+ people to see is hardly fair. Sharing photos with a few friends is a bit different from posting them on a public internet forum.

[Danielle]

I think one of the professional photographers, e.g. Feelingpink or Danielle, are better placed to comment, but I thought there needed to be some kind of model release form signed before you were allowed to publish a photo for public consumption.

As to your request for them to be removed, totaly agree!

From a legal perspective if the photos are taken of you in a public place you have no rights over them, the photographer can do whatever they like with them!

Personally i wouldn't post photos of people i know without asking them on a public forum.

From a Southport side of things if anyone had asked me at the time not to take photos of them I would have respected their wishes!! But no one did!!
Must say I'm with SF on this one!!!

[El Salsero Gringo]

In general, the subject of a photo is legaly entitled to say what can and can't be done with the photo. The photographer also owns some sort of copyright on his artistic contribution to the work.

I'm sure google can provide a reputable source for this. I can't be bothered...REALLY? Could you provide some more info on this. I'm interested.

[Feelingpink]

In general, the subject of a photo is legaly entitled to say what can and can't be done with the photo. The photographer also owns some sort of copyright on his artistic contribution to the work.

I'm sure google can provide a reputable source for this. I can't be bothered...Franck has covered well what the forum policy is, but if anyone if wondering about copyright outside the forum, in the case of commissioned work, it remains with the photographer (in the UK). If you'd like further clarification, you can look at the web site of the British Institute of Professional Photographers (http://www.bipp.com) under Copyright.

[El Salsero Gringo]

Franck has covered well what the forum policy is, but if anyone if wondering about copyright outside the forum, in the case of commissioned work, it remains with the photographer (in the UK). If you'd like further clarification, you can look at the web site of the British Institute of Professional Photographers (http://www.bipp.com) under Copyright.What's the law on the publication of photographs of people taken in the street, say? I understood that you had no specific rights in your own image - otherwise news photography would become impossible.

[clevedonboy]

From a legal perspective if the photos are taken of you in a public place you have no rights over them, the photographer can do whatever they like with them!


Except exploit them for commercial gain, when you have to at least been shown to have attempted to gain their permission (interestingly in France you do not have any right to publish without permission at all) BTW the issue of public places would take a lot of testing in court.

Anyway it's nonsense to fret about the legality issue for shots like these. But I think somebody should be allowed to ask for an image to be removed - it's just curteous

It has also been shown in law that you can Libel somebody in a photograph

ESG - wrt to candid shots of people you don't know, where you are publishing for money, this is kind of covered by the "make a reasonale attempt to contact them" if you have no idea who they are, you can't really do much about it.

[Feelingpink]

What's the law on the publication of photographs of people taken in the street, say? I understood that you had no specific rights in your own image - otherwise news photography would become impossible.I suggest you look at Danielle's post, above, which covers your query.

[El Salsero Gringo]

I suggest you look at Danielle's post, above, which covers your query.Thanks. I missed that one.
Except exploit them for commercial gain, when you have to at least been shown to have attempted to gain their permissionThanks also to you - do you have some source material for this? (by PM if this is a boring topic....)

[David Franklin]

Do you have some source material for this? (by PM if this is a boring topic....)This site (http://www.ephotozine.com/freelance/fullstory.cfm?freelanceid=19) has a relatively clear explanation.

I'm sure the professional photographers here to know the law, but it doesn't seem totally clear-cut to me. The same website says:

From www.ephotozine.com:
If you intend operating as a wedding and portrait photographer, the conditions of copyright are slightly different. As the 'author' of the photographs you still retain full copyright on them, but you are also limited by the rights of privacy of the client.
What this basically means is you cannot offer those pictures for sale, publication, exhibition or anything else for that matter without the consent of the people depicted in them. This even extends to the display of some of your best pictures in a shop window to try and attract more work - before doing this, you must first obtain the permission - ideally in writing - from your client.Where exactly is the dividing line where you are limited by "rights of privacy"?

[Feelingpink]

...I'm sure the professional photographers here to know the law, but it doesn't seem totally clear-cut to me. ... Where exactly is the dividing line where you are limited by "rights of privacy"?

The 1988 copyright act applies to all UK photographers, but IN PRACTICE, wedding and portrait photographers will have a model release form signed to cover specific usages such as web sites, advertising and competitions. This is partly belt and braces and partly because much of our business comes from word of mouth recommendations and we want to ensure that all of our clients are entirely happy with our usage of the images.

[Dreadful Scathe]

I never like pictures of me either, but my strategy has always been 'dont go on about it and people barely notice'. Mind you, the one tiggerbabe keeps posting, i actually find quite funny ;)

[Cruella]

I personally hate having my photo taken, because i don't like to see myself as everyone else does. But if i had been captured on film and posted on the forum (as i was for the scottish champs) i just wouldn't keep looking at the photos. I'm sorry but the camera doesn't lie, we all have our imperfections just live with it.

[Icey]

I personally hate having my photo taken, because i don't like to see myself as everyone else does. But if i had been captured on film and posted on the forum (as i was for the scottish champs) i just wouldn't keep looking at the photos. I'm sorry but the camera doesn't lie, we all have our imperfections just live with it.

:yeah: I'm not overly keen on photos of me because I have an amazing ability to look a complete berk on them. But that's (usually) only my opinion, and I will nitpick photos apart to the smallest degree. Others may tell me to shut up because they think there's nothing wrong.

I can't say I'd be overly bothered about dancing related photos of me being posted on here as I don't think people are going to point and laugh and then nudge their mates so that they can point and laugh too (unless I really am caught on film being a gimboid)

[spindr]

This is about removing photos of up to 5 people or more in group shots where one person doesnt like her or him self thats got me angry :mad:
I have dim recollection of a dance event where there was an announcement along the lines of "Where going to video the cabaret now -- please be aware you may be filmed, if you're with someone you shouldn't be." :)

So which of the four other people in the photo does the complainant not wish to be photographed with? :devil:

SpinDr.

[Lee]

Can we please have some agreement and a forum policy on posting photos?

I've just been told that I'm being unreasonable for asking for photos containing me to be removed and also told that I shouldn't have allowed them to be taken in the first place if I didn't want them posted on here.

For a start, I didn't know they were going to be posted and I was not asked if I was happy with this.

For a second, I hate all of them and said at the time they were taken that I hated them and asked for them to be deleted from the camera.

Perhaps I am over-reacting - but I really don't care if "no-one else minds" - I DO.

Thoughts please? - on a general policy rather than this specific incident

Do you not think this issue is really about people wanting to stay hidden behind there user name and not wanting to be seen?

Why are there so many people in chat rooms using picture of semi naked model types rather than using a picture of themselves?

Lee :whistle: :whistle:

[Geordieed]

Going a little off subject because of the media being used, but still with our own rights etc... I have had been videod recently by people at events and not even ask for permission beforehand. Sometimes I have not been aware of this until my partner has pointed it out. The last occassion I was asked for permission only after I had finished dancing. It feels really uncomfortable knowing that somebody is able to replay that footage again and again at their own leisure. I am not a big flashy moves dancer so would not expect anyone wanting to nick any big moves.

[Minnie M]

I said I hated those photos and as it happens, I don't believe I am as fat and ugly in real life as I believe they made me look. Having said at the time they were taken that I didn't like them, posting them for 1500+ people to see is hardly fair. Sharing photos with a few friends is a bit different from posting them on a public internet forum.

If you feel that way, why not post a very flattering photo of yourself so people can see what you really look like - or use this same photo on your profile - rather make such a silly fuss such as you have done.

I really am fat and ugly and old to boot and absolutely HATE photos of me as they rarely are flattering - however, in my head I know this is how others see me sometimes - and life is far too short to worry about such things. (by the photo Danielle took of me last June I was actually very happy with :flower: )

[WittyBird]

If you feel that way, why not post a very flattering photo of yourself so people can see what you really look like - or use this same photo on your profile - rather make such a silly fuss such as you have done.

I really am fat and ugly and old to boot and absolutely HATE photos of me as they rarely are flattering - however, in my head I know this is how others see me sometimes - and life is far too short to worry about such things. (by the photo Danielle took of me last June I was actually very happy with :flower: )

No disrespect to MM cos we havent met.......

***... Surely beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Why do people get so paranoid about looks etc " does my ass look big in this " tell you what my ass looks big in anything.... get over it you are what you are and there aint nothing you can do about it. I am a big believer in the camera never lies and generally i think ' god i looked rough' but get on with it because personality shines thru and its who you are not what you look like.

I get so annoyed with people who are like ' yak yak yak no one loves me no one fancies me yak yak ' pity people i call them, get on with it stop looking and enjoy life.

Sorry if its a bit blunt but hey ho :rolleyes:

[under par]

.................. Why do people get so paranoid about looks etc " does my ass look big in this " tell you what my ass looks big in anything.... get over it you are what you are and there aint nothing you can do about it.
Great point far to many fragile egos out there


I am a big believer in the camera never lies and generally i think ' god i looked rough' but get on with it because personality shines thru and its who you are not what you look like. :yeah: :yeah:


I get so annoyed with people who are like ' yak yak yak no one loves me no one fancies me yak yak ' pity people i call them, get on with it stop looking and enjoy life.

Sorry if its a bit blunt but hey ho :rolleyes:

You put into words lots of what I was thinking. Good post. :flower:

Blunt maybe but not rude or offensive :clap:

[Minnie M]

... Surely beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
and if I looked like you (seen your profile photo - you are stunning) I would agree :sad:

Seriously though, you are a good looking gal and it is very difficult when you are so lovely, to know what a 'not so lovely' person feels. However, I do take your point, and I certainly am not hung up about myself (tell 'em UP or Andy McG)

[under par]

a. However, I do take your point, and I certainly am not hung up about myself (tell 'em UP or Andy McG)

Minnie you are not hung up about yourself.......................there I told 'em.


Seen all the silly photos of me :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Dreadful Scathe]

I really am fat and ugly and old to boot and absolutely HATE photos of me as they rarely are flattering -

Its also worth baring in mind that other people often do NOT see you the way you see yourself. I'd maybe use 'old' to describe you but certainly not fat or ugly :) The quality of the person goes far beyond physical appearance.

That goes for the rest of you moaning minnies too (pun intended) :)

[CJ]

I'd maybe use 'old' to describe you but certainly not fat or ugly :) The quality of the person goes far beyond physical appearance.

You see that, Minnie?!?

Your "oldness" goes beyond just your physical appearance!! :rofl:

He said that, not me... :whistle:

But I would never concur with the man (not unless he threatened to beat me uo with a lightsabre again :rofl: :rofl: ) :wink:

[LMC]

I freely admit that I am hung up about photos of myself. I don't feel like they *ever* do me justice. I freely admit that it was slightly a knee-jerk reaction because I was not expecting the photos to be posted on here without being asked. If they had been dance floor shots then I might not have minded so much. But to look dreadful even on posed shots :sick: - sorry, but my self-confidence stops right there.

Minnie - if I look half as good as you when I'm a grandmother I shall be well pleased :flower:

I would just like to point out that I didn't ask for a second thread to be started on this :sick:

[WittyBird]

and if I looked like you (seen your profile photo - you are stunning) I would agree :sad:

[/I]
Bless you :blush: that is just a flattering photo of me.

I never ever look at looks, I always go for personality, personality is like a magnet it draws people to you... I will dance with anyone anytime anywhere! so I guess you could call me the Martini girl :rofl: (for the filthy amongst us I mean in a dance enviro ((CL to name just one :worthy: )
I love meeting people and take all opportunities to get to know people.

I actually thought the pics of LMC looked great.

[Dreadful Scathe]

Bless you :blush: that is just a flattering photo of me.

I never ever look at looks, I always go for personality, personality is like a magnet it draws people to you... I will dance with anyone anytime anywhere! so I guess you could call me the Martini girl :rofl: (for the filthy amongst us I mean in a dance enviro ((CL to name just one :worthy: )
I love meeting people and take all opportunities to get to know people.

I actually thought the pics of LMC looked great.
i dont know what the fuss is about, i never saw any pics at all :(

[Minnie M]

You see that, Minnie?!?

Your "oldness" goes beyond just your physical appearance!! :rofl:

He said that, not me... :whistle:

But I would never concur with the man (not unless he threatened to beat me uo with a lightsabre again :rofl: :rofl: ) :wink:

ahhhh.... that was a truly luffly thing that young wipper snapper said :hug: :flower: thank you :kiss:

....... not bothered about the 'old' bit, my bus pass comes in handy and it gets me into the places cheaper :rofl: :rofl: and I don't pay National Insurance too and I get free light bulbs and I get a Chrissy pressie from the state :flower:

[Andy McGregor]

I've just waded through this thread (I don't get as much time on here as I used to :tears: ). As someone who's had many odd photos published on here my advice is to get over it. Embarassing photos are part of the cut and thrust of the Forum - many forum members have been the victim of cameramen and will continue to be photographed in less than flattering poses, situations, states of undress, cross dress, etc.

I think it's PC gone mad when a forum member feels the need to start criticising other forum members for the practice of posting dodgy photos :whistle:

[under par]

I've just waded through this thread (I don't get as much time on here as I used to :tears: ). As someone who's had many odd photos published on here my advice is to get over it. Embarassing photos are part of the cut and thrust of the Forum - many forum members have been the victim of cameramen and will continue to be photographed in less than flattering poses, situations, states of undress, cross dress, etc.

I think it's PC gone mad when a forum member feels the need to start criticising other forum members for the practice of posting dodgy photos :whistle:


Hear hear Andy..... :cheers: too many over fragile egos.... :angry:

get a life! get on with it.......as said several times elsewhere LIFE is TOO SHORT to be gettin all hung up about self image.


If you REALLY do have a problem than don't bleat on about it on public forum PM Franck or a moderator and they will take it off... :sad: :sad: :sad:

[azande]

..... uh, wot, who woke me up since this is still going on?

[WittyBird]

..... uh, wot, who woke me up since this is still going on?
no sh1t sherlock

[stewart38]

If you feel that way, why not post a very flattering photo of yourself so people can see what you really look like - or use this same photo on your profile - rather make such a silly fuss such as you have done.

:flower: )

Thats what ill do for sake of good order.

Post a digital one of me taken after 100 attempts in a certain light and another crap one :clap:

[WittyBird]

Thats what ill do for sake of good order.

Post a digital one of me taken after 100 attempts in a certain light and another crap one :clap:

you are such a girl, ' oh take it in this light' , 'omg not that one'
me finks u is worse than most mwah :rofl:

[Minnie M]

..... uh, wot, who woke me up since this is still going on?
thanks azande :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I needed a good laugh today :rofl: :rofl: