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Gojive
9th-September-2005, 01:16 AM
Is returning in the autumn :clap:

The show is to start with twelve couples this time, up from the ten in series 2.

I can only find old rumours as to who will be starring so far, and going by the show tickets, the first round will be on Oct 15th.

The waiting list for show tickets opens on Monday 12th Sep.

More news as I get it :)

Ticket details:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/whatson/tickets/shows/come_dancing.shtml

Missy D
9th-September-2005, 08:44 AM
Thank you! Something to look forward too! :clap:

Trish
9th-September-2005, 11:25 AM
Excellent!

Any one heard any rumours about who will be on it? I hope it's up to last times standard (and no Chris Parkers!)

Gojive
10th-September-2005, 01:05 AM
Excellent!

Any one heard any rumours about who will be on it? I hope it's up to last times standard (and no Chris Parkers!)

No doubt there will be the usual quota of soap stars :rolleyes: . I heard Adam Woodyatt is one possible.....

Lindsay
10th-September-2005, 01:42 AM
Excellent, can't wait! Reality TV heaven, it's just one thing after another.

Wonder who'll be judging... :D

Lou
26th-September-2005, 03:39 PM
They've announced the celebs for this series:

ZOE BALL (TV presenter) Zoe & Ian
DARREN GOUGH (Cricketer) Darren & Lilia
SIOBHAN HAYES (Actress) Siobhan & Matthew
GLORIA HUNNIFORD (TV presenter) Gloria & Darren
COLIN JACKSON (Athlete) Colin & Erin
JAYE JACOBS (Actress) Jaye & Andrew
JAMES MARTIN (Chef) James & Camilla
PATSY PALMER (Actress) Patsy & Anton
FIONA PHILIPS (TV presenter) Fiona & Brendan
DENNIS TAYLOR (Snooker Legend) Dennis & Izabella
WILL THORP (Actor) Will & Hanna
BILL TURNBULL (TV Presenter) Bill & Karen

from http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/09/26/24921.shtml

Feelingpink
26th-September-2005, 03:45 PM
They've announced the celebs for this series:

ZOE BALL (TV presenter) Zoe & Ian
DARREN GOUGH (Cricketer) Darren & Lilia
SIOBHAN HAYES (Actress) Siobhan & Matthew
GLORIA HUNNIFORD (TV presenter) Gloria & Darren
COLIN JACKSON (Athlete) Colin & Erin
JAYE JACOBS (Actress) Jaye & Andrew
JAMES MARTIN (Chef) James & Camilla
PATSY PALMER (Actress) Patsy & Anton
FIONA PHILIPS (TV presenter) Fiona & Brendan
DENNIS TAYLOR (Snooker Legend) Dennis & Izabella
WILL THORP (Actor) Will & Hanna
BILL TURNBULL (TV Presenter) Bill & Karen

from http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/09/26/24921.shtmlHo hum. Why can't they have some totally delicious men on? :sad: And Gloria Hunniford :what:

David Bailey
26th-September-2005, 04:00 PM
Ho hum. Why can't they have some totally delicious men on? :sad: And Gloria Hunniford :what:
What, you don't fancy Colin Jackson? Blimey, no accounting for some tastes.

Gloria Hunniford and Dennis Taylor - hmmm, I dunno, they're not exactly athletic are they?

Also, no Nicole Cutler? Shocking...

Interestingly, I notice from the BBC news site (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4282078.stm) that they're adding three new dances: jitterbug, salsa and Argentine tango.

Hmmm, I'm really unsure about the inclusion of the first two (bit too populist, not exactly "Strictly"). But I'd love to see them do the Arg Tango.

Stuart
26th-September-2005, 04:15 PM
Darren Gough has been warned that he might be putting his chances of playing for England in the 2007 Cricket World Cup in jeopardy if he takes part:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4282486.stm

It will be interesting to see how he will do, given all the knee trouble that he has suffered during his career.

Gojive
26th-September-2005, 04:54 PM
They've announced the celebs for this series:

ZOE BALL (TV presenter) Zoe & Ian
DARREN GOUGH (Cricketer) Darren & Lilia
SIOBHAN HAYES (Actress) Siobhan & Matthew
GLORIA HUNNIFORD (TV presenter) Gloria & Darren
COLIN JACKSON (Athlete) Colin & Erin
JAYE JACOBS (Actress) Jaye & Andrew
JAMES MARTIN (Chef) James & Camilla
PATSY PALMER (Actress) Patsy & Anton
FIONA PHILIPS (TV presenter) Fiona & Brendan
DENNIS TAYLOR (Snooker Legend) Dennis & Izabella
WILL THORP (Actor) Will & Hanna
BILL TURNBULL (TV Presenter) Bill & Karen

from http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/09/26/24921.shtml

Thanks for that Lou :cheers:

Good to see the same judges IMO, but I'm a little less enthralled with Brucie and Tess "Joodges" Daly hosting, and Claudia "Quick head jerk" Winkewhatsit fronting ITT. I'd like to have seen Graham Norton have a bash with Natasha Kerplunkski :eek: , and Joe Mace/Justin Lee Collins being a pair of anchors for ITT :D

As far as the contestants are concerned - I can't see Darren retaining his winning crown with Gloria Hunniford! Along with losing the lovely Nicole, I see that Paul "Killer" Killick is not taking part either this time :sad:

Nevertheless, I'm sure we SCD fans are in for some superb dancing - time to stock up on blank tapes methinks :waycool:

Trish
26th-September-2005, 05:10 PM
Thanks for that Lou :cheers:

Good to see the same judges IMO, but I'm a little less enthralled with Brucie and Tess "Joodges" Daly hosting, and Claudia "Quick head jerk" Winkewhatsit fronting ITT. I'd like to have seen Graham Norton have a bash with Natasha Kerplunkski :eek: , and Joe Mace/Justin Lee Collins being a pair of anchors for ITT :D

As far as the contestants are concerned - I can't see Darren retaining his winning crown with Gloria Hunniford! Along with losing the lovely Nicole, I see that Paul "Killer" Killick is not taking part either this time :sad:

Nevertheless, I'm sure we SCD fans are in for some superb dancing - time to stock up on blank tapes methinks :waycool:

Yes thanks Lou

I agree about the judges, and I also get a bit fed up of Brucie and Tess, and would prefer Graham Norton. Strangely I don't mind Claudia, even though she is a bit odd, I didn't mind Joe Mace either, but Justin Lee Collins is a bit irritating.

Can't work out who some of the contestants are (this is probably just me, as I don't watch Soaps no doubt.) Can anyone enlighten me as to who: Siobhan Hayes (recognised the name but can't picture her), Jaye Jacobs; Will Thorp or Bill Turnbull are? If they're generally just soap stars just tell me the soap and I'll probably find I don't know them anyway (unless it's Casualty for some reason!)

Can't believe it's on so soon though :clap: ! Just in time to cheer me up when I come back from Egypt and only have work to look forward to (except dancing obviously ;) )

Stuart
26th-September-2005, 05:14 PM
Yes thanks Lou

I agree about the judges, and I also get a bit fed up of Brucie and Tess, and would prefer Graham Norton. Strangely I don't mind Claudia, even though she is a bit odd, I didn't mind Joe Mace either, but Justin Lee Collins is a bit irritating.

Can't work out who some of the contestants are (this is probably just me, as I don't watch Soaps no doubt.) Can anyone enlighten me as to who: Siobhan Hayes (recognised the name but can't picture her), Jaye Jacobs; Will Thorp or Bill Turnbull are? If they're generally just soap stars just tell me the soap and I'll probably find I don't know them anyway (unless it's Casualty for some reason!)

Can't believe it's on so soon though :clap: ! Just in time to cheer me up when I come back from Egypt and only have work to look forward to (except dancing obviously ;) )

I don't know who most of them are as I don't watch soaps either. However I do know that Bill Turnbull is one of the BBC newsreaders.

Lynn
26th-September-2005, 05:41 PM
Fiona Phillips and Brendan Cole - should be interesting! :rofl: :whistle:

Dan Hudson
26th-September-2005, 06:21 PM
We went to a charity Ballroom event last night.. great night.. :clap:

Cabarets from the top 2 professional couples in the country.... plus Darren and Lilia :drool: :drool:

Was brilliant :cheers: :clap:

AND to top it off, the lovely BRENDAN COLE agreed to dance with Kel (who has been learning ballroom 3 months).. .led her to a lovely waltz :worthy: :clap: ....Also our great friend Norma too :clap:

Brendan... great bloke, a real gentleman.. .deserves my vote :flower:

although lilia might get a few too :whistle:

Gojive
14th-October-2005, 10:20 AM
Well we're off and running tomorrow night, so here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days...

The main show - Sat 15th Oct 18:30 - 19:50 BBC1
Results - Sat 15th Oct 21:25 - 22:00 BBC2
ITT - Mon 17th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC2
ITT - Tue 18th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC2
ITT - Wed 19th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC2
ITT - Thu 20th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC2
ITT - Fri 21st Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC2

Some great news to kick off the series with....SCD has been nominated for a "National Television Award", in the "Most Popular Entertainment" category :clap:

Winners to be announced 25 October

Don't forget to set your videos/pvrs!!

Edited by Tiggerbabe at Gojive's request - wrong programme info given

Lynn
14th-October-2005, 11:43 AM
Well we're off and running tomorrow night, so here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days...

The main show - Sat 15th Oct 18:30 - 19:50 BBC1
Results - Sat 15th Oct 21:25 - 22:00 BBC2
ITT - Mon 17th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Tue 18th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Wed 19th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Thu 20th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Fri 21st Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3 They've put ITT back on BBC3 :tears: It was on BBC2 last time.

marty_baby
14th-October-2005, 12:00 PM
Hiya All,

Who won the Last Series??
I've had a look at the web site - loads of piccies - but no results I could find!

This Series looks a corker as well :nice:

I see "Arlene Phillips" is still a judge.... hold onto your hats! :rofl:


Martin

Msfab
14th-October-2005, 12:54 PM
Hiya All,

Who won the Last Series??
I've had a look at the web site - loads of piccies - but no results I could find!

This Series looks a corker as well :nice:

I see "Arlene Phillips" is still a judge.... hold onto your hats! :rofl:


Martin


Darren and that gordie girl off eastenders, Jill ????:sick:

bigdjiver
14th-October-2005, 02:47 PM
Nice bit of pro-dance propaganda on BBC News. Darren Gough, the man's man, a Barnsley lad, "a Rhino", from a coal miners family, shown practising.

Gojive
14th-October-2005, 03:33 PM
They've put ITT back on BBC3 :tears: It was on BBC2 last time.

Dry those tears Lynn - I just made a big ****-up! :blush:

"It takes two" is on BBC 2 :clap:

I can't edit my post now - can a mod do it for me please? :flower:

:blush: :blush: :blush:

Gojive
14th-October-2005, 03:34 PM
Darren and that gordie girl off eastenders, Jill ????:sick:

Jill Halfpenny - who went on to star in "Chicago" for six weeks after winning SCD 2, and on the day I saw her, she was awesome! :drool:

Donna
14th-October-2005, 03:37 PM
Ho hum. Why can't they have some totally delicious men on? :sad: And Gloria Hunniford :what:

Ahem...Dennis Taylor is delicious!!!!! :drool: NO?:really: NAH NAH just kiddin!!!!:rofl:

But Darren and Brendan are!!! :worthy:

Stuart
14th-October-2005, 04:44 PM
Well we're off and running tomorrow night, so here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days...

The main show - Sat 15th Oct 18:30 - 19:50 BBC1
Results - Sat 15th Oct 21:25 - 22:00 BBC2
ITT - Mon 17th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Tue 18th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Wed 19th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Thu 20th Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3
ITT - Fri 21st Oct 18:30 - 19:00 BBC3

Some great news to kick off the series with....SCD has been nominated for a "National Television Award", in the "Most Popular Entertainment" category :clap:

Winners to be announced 25 October

Don't forget to set your videos/pvrs!!

The results programme on Saturday is also on BBC1

Lynn
14th-October-2005, 05:28 PM
Dry those tears Lynn - I just made a big ****-up! :blush:

"It takes two" is on BBC 2 :clap: :clap: That's teatime viewing sorted for the next couple of months then!

FirstMove
15th-October-2005, 10:19 PM
So my initial thoughts on SCoDa3-

Who else could tell Dennis had done somesort of jive before he even danced down the steps?

Do female lambada dancers have spines? The pro woman's head seemed rather floppy. Maybe it was all those spins. Missy D's avatar dances lambada.

Does anyone seriously think that someone other than Zoe Ball will win?

Ballroom queen
15th-October-2005, 11:07 PM
Does anyone seriously think that someone other than Zoe Ball will win?

Oh Colin Jackson was pretty awesome!!! (live anyway, dunno how he came across on the telly)

I hugged Anton du Beke !!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Wasn't Anton and Erin's quickstep just the BEST, I want that dress!!!!

FirstMove
15th-October-2005, 11:36 PM
Oh Colin Jackson was pretty awesome!!! (live anyway, dunno how he came across on the telly)


I thought Colin was good too, but young women with large existing fan bases seem to have the show sown up. Shame we can't skip the next 8 weeks ago and get down to some serious dancing.



I hugged Anton du Beke !!!:clap: :clap: :clap:


:worthy: :worthy:


PS- I like the new show layout where they actually put interesting stuff in the second part of the programme :clap: :clap: Hope this continues through the series.

David Bailey
16th-October-2005, 10:51 AM
Well, looks like we're on this thread for good, so let's stick to here rather than have 2 threads going at once....

Also, shouldn't this thread be moved to the Land of 1000 dances?

Anyway, I videoed it last night, and I've just finished watching, so I'll put my reactions down.

The judges are very good at spotting the extremes - clearly picking the best and the worst out. But I could do that, so it can't be that difficult. I thought the marks were too extreme - lots of 2s, and some 8s and 9s already seems difficult to believe, it makes you wonder whether the marks are relative (based on the competitor's experience) or absolute (based on the actual level of dancing) - and it looks like it's relative.

For each couple, my thoughts:

Darren and Lilia (cha-cha): started awful, but improved - Darren showed some promise, but I can't ever see him winning, his feet were too clumpy. I thought the judges were a bit harsh on the guy - it must be a nightmare to be on first.

Patsy and Anton (waltz): Yukky finish, but seemed OK otherwise. But Anton's a celeb now himself, I think he's got a fan base on his own that'll see him through a few rounds.

Colin and Erin (cha-cha): Whooo-ee. Now that's nice. Colin oozed sex appeal, even turend me on :) I think he lost it slightly in the middle, but wow, that was very nice. Lovely figure, flexibility, posture - I wish I could move my hips like that :tears:

Siobhan and Matthew (waltz): I wrote "Ewww" down in my notes...

James and Camilla (cha-cha): Not totally awful - looked very Travolta-y to me, and I think it went a bit downhill with a walkaround move, but OK. Arlene Philips quote "Massive sex appeal" - what? :confused: She obviously has a very strange view of sex...

Gloria and Darren (waltz): OH MY GOD, what IS she wearing? It's like watching Michael Schumacher drive an 18-wheeler through the centre of London - you know it's possible, and it's mildly interesting, but you just have to ask yourself "why?". To be fair, her footwork was OK, but I thought the judges were a bit too kind to her.

Will and Hanna (cha-cha): I quite liked this - unlike the miserable judges. OK, there was zero sex appeal, but he had great posture, and the footwork was nice. Meanie judges :mad:

Jaye and Andrew (waltz): I was prepared to dislike her, but the girl did good - nice footwork. I'd like to see them do Latin, that should be fun...

Bill and Karen (cha-cha): Good grief, this was awful. It set the bar at a new (low) level. Faffing around with hat changes, fancy moves by the lady to disguise the total lack of moves by the guy... And Bill, keep your bum in for Chissakes. But the judges liked it...:eek: :confused:

Brendan and Fiona (waltz - apparently): That was a very very strange waltz. Separations, spins, a lift... Nice chemistry between them, ahem, but seriously, what was that? Another great Arlene quote "Did you think we wouldn't see the lift?" :rofl:

Dennis and Izabela (cha-cha): Hmmm, not as bad as I'd imagined. A bit too much like Dad-dancing, but wasn't diabolical.

Bruce did a double-trouble joke :clap:

Zoe and Ian (waltz): Wow, that was truly lovely, almost made me want to dance the waltz myself (I laid down for a minute, the feeling passed). But again, three nines? Come on...

Can't wait for next week!

Lynn
16th-October-2005, 03:36 PM
Anyway, I videoed it last night, and I've just finished watching, so I'll put my reactions down. :yeah:
It was good to see the pros dancing together showcasing next weeks dances, wonder if they will do that every week?

Patsy and Anton (waltz):...Anton's a celeb now himself, I think he's got a fan base on his own that'll see him through a few rounds.I think a lot of women think 'I would love to dance with Anton' (I know I would) as he seems to make it so enjoyable. So that will get him votes.

Colin and Erin (cha-cha): Whooo-ee. Now that's nice. Colin oozed sex appeal, even turend me on :) I think he lost it slightly in the middle, but wow, that was very nice. Lovely figure, flexibility, posture ... I thought he was very good and right up until Zoe and Ian I was thinking there might be a serious chance of a man winning this time.

Brendan and Fiona (waltz - apparently): That was a very very strange waltz. I thought it was a example of how even a great lead like Brendan can't make someone look good if they are really bad, she seemed to spend the whole dance trying and failing to keep up. But I really wanted them to go through. I like Brendan, but I think he put too much in (and the lift - why?) and would like to see them next week.

Dennis and Izabela (cha-cha): Hmmm, not as bad as I'd imagined. A bit too much like Dad-dancing, but wasn't diabolical. That's exactly what I was thinking! In fact it was very like my dad dancing cha cha!

Zoe and Ian (waltz): Wow, that was truly lovely, almost made me want to dance the waltz myself (I laid down for a minute, the feeling passed). But again, three nines? Come on... I agree it was very good for the first week - and I think they are a great match. I also agree that such a high score in week one is a bit much though - it doesn't leave them much space to improve.

I really enjoyed the programme, looking forward to next week (which I'll have to video of course as will be at the BFG!)

doc martin
16th-October-2005, 04:04 PM
Who else could tell Dennis had done somesort of jive before he even danced down the steps?

Bruce did a double-trouble joke
I didn't think it was a joke, I thought he was telling us in the usual side-arseways Brucie way that Dennis had danced some jive, and probably some double trouble when younger. Which, given his age, is hardly surprising.

David Bailey
16th-October-2005, 05:15 PM
I thought it was a example of how even a great lead like Brendan can't make someone look good if they are really bad, she seemed to spend the whole dance trying and failing to keep up. But I really wanted them to go through. I like Brendan, but I think he put too much in (and the lift - why?) and would like to see them next week.
I dunno, I think Brendan totally mis-choreographed the dance and it showed. I think his forte is more in the Latin area - maybe that explains all the solitary turns (breaking the ballroom hold) and the Evil Lift.

Or maybe he went down the crowd-pleaser event, because he knew a traditional waltz would still get slated, so he was playing for the popular vote?
Either way, it just didn't work. I'm surprised he's still in, really, and if he doesn't sharpen up he'll be out soon.

Next week is Rumba and Quickstep, yes? Presumably all yesterday's ballroom couples will do Latin and vice versa...

Simon
16th-October-2005, 05:41 PM
Bill and Karen (cha-cha): Good grief, this was awful. It set the bar at a new (low) level. Faffing around with hat changes, fancy moves by the lady to disguise the total lack of moves by the guy... And Bill, keep your bum in for Chissakes. But the judges liked it...:eek: :confused:
I thought this routine was really good. :waycool: Yes, the hat stuff was there to distract, but if you're competing then you have to have tactics. Besides, she was phenomenal and looked a class apart from most of the other professionals in terms of showmanship. :worthy:

David Bailey
16th-October-2005, 06:18 PM
I thought this routine was really good. :waycool: Yes, the hat stuff was there to distract, but if you're competing then you have to have tactics. Besides, she was phenomenal and looked a class apart from most of the other professionals in terms of showmanship. :worthy:
I dunno, it just didn't work for me. You kind of expect the professionals to look good - I'd hope the judges would be basing their opinions on how the couple looked, as a couple.

It's like Brendon and Fiona - when you see the professional trying to do everything they can to attract and divert your attention, you know it's because there's something they don't want you to see (like misdirection in magic tricks).

The ones who are confident (Zoe and Ian, Colin and Erin) show both partners off equally, and aren't afraid to demonstrate both partners equally - it was not immediately and massively clear in those cases who was the professional, and that's the way it should be.

But it could be that I've just got a thing about hats... :)

Tiggerbabe
16th-October-2005, 06:30 PM
But it could be that I've just got a thing about hats... :)
Oi! Watch it mate :wink:

David Franklin
16th-October-2005, 06:46 PM
I dunno, I think Brendan totally mis-choreographed the dance and it showed. I think his forte is more in the Latin area - maybe that explains all the solitary turns (breaking the ballroom hold) and the Evil Lift.I'd agree he mis-choreographed it, but disagree about the reason. I don't recall it so much in series 1, but in series 2 Brendan always made sure that whatever happened, his dancing would look good, even if it meant his partner couldn't keep up. I thought the same thing was happening here.

As far as the "latin pros struggle with ballroom"; in general I think they did pretty well, but I have to say I thought Matthew Cutler's ballroom looked weak and unconvincing.

N.B. I was at the TV screening :clap: , so didn't see what the TV audience did. Not sure how much that affected things. (For example, I couldn't see how bad Fiona/Brendon really were at first, because I couldn't see much below the waist. In the replays it looked very :sick: ).


Next week is Rumba and Quickstep, yes? Presumably all yesterday's ballroom couples will do Latin and vice versa...That's what happened in previous series, at any rate.

Lory
16th-October-2005, 09:57 PM
I thought this routine was really good. :waycool: Yes, the hat stuff was there to distract, but if you're competing then you have to have tactics. Besides, she was phenomenal and looked a class apart from most of the other professionals in terms of showmanship. :worthy:
:yeah: I really enjoyed this performance, it made me smile the whole way through:na: Unlike Will, who might have got all the steps right but the whole dance just left me cold :sad:

I thought the whole show was entertaining, with a nice range of abilities and I agreed with the vote.. the girl who went out looked very uncomfortable and slightly painful to watch!

latinlover
17th-October-2005, 08:55 AM
So are we the only ones who thought the new Simply Red track was AWESOME????:drool: :drool:
I can't wait to dance to it with mrs LL!

D.Js.......???

Great show , the return of family viewing on a Saturday evening :worthy:
We sit & watch it with the twins, and the older girls if they are around (and if they're not they call us and say "did you see...?"), and Drew (who refuses to dance himself) scores all the couples and argues with the judges !!

clear leaders, Colin and Zoe:clap:
As Erin said it's about time one of the guys was IN the final, never mind winning
of course it's quite unlikely unless there's a real upset , because of the learning the lead aspect(yawn)
hey ho
Still I love it


but I would like to see Bruce replaced by Claudia Winkelman!!

David Franklin
17th-October-2005, 09:22 AM
So are we the only ones who thought the new Simply Red track was AWESOME????:drool: :drool: Er... 'fraid so! The 'hook' isn't bad, but it's repeated to almost "Call on Me" levels of mindlessness. Sorry! :blush:

As Erin said it's about time one of the guys was IN the final, never mind winning
of course it's quite unlikely unless there's a real upset , because of the learning the lead aspect(yawn)Not sure. I think Colin is a lot better prospect than any previous male in the contest. Whether that will be enough to counteract the lead/follow bias remains to be seen.

In the USA version of Strictly Come Dancing, although Kelly Monaco won the final, they had a "rematch" dance off which John Hurley won. So it could happen!

Trish
17th-October-2005, 12:45 PM
I think Colin is a lot better prospect than any previous male in the contest. Whether that will be enough to counteract the lead/follow bias remains to be seen.

I thought Colin was excellent (Sexy! :drool: ) And also Zoe, which I was surprised about as I'd seen her dancing a bit on the after show talky thing for Strictly Dance Fever, and she showed no promise at all!

I was really impressed this time, and by the looks of it there won't be a Chris Parker or a Quentin Wilson - the nearest was Fiona Phillips who to my untrained eye looked like she was being dragged round the floor clinging on for dear life. I hope she improves or goes out soon! Not that I have any clue what he's like in real life, but I do wonder if Bredan Cole's got a bit too big for his boots, and thinks he's capable of leading anyone through any moves - if this is what he thinks, then he's wrong!

Lynn
17th-October-2005, 12:55 PM
I was really impressed this time, and by the looks of it there won't be a Chris Parker or a Quentin Wilson - the nearest was Fiona Phillips who to my untrained eye looked like she was being dragged round the floor clinging on for dear life. I hope she improves or goes out soon! Not that I have any clue what he's like in real life, but I do wonder if Bredan Cole's got a bit too big for his boots, and thinks he's capable of leading anyone through any moves - if this is what he thinks, then he's wrong!But he is entertaining to watch, you know he is going to throw in some 'extra' bits and annoy the judges! But I think Fiona was have done better if he had picked a much simpler routine.

And I liked Bill and Karen's routine - yes there was some drama in it probably detracting from his ability at the actual dancing (which the judges did notice) but performance is a part of it and he looked as if he was enjoying himself!

Cruella
17th-October-2005, 01:16 PM
But it could be that I've just got a thing about hats... :)
Don't i know it!:whistle:

latinlover
17th-October-2005, 01:19 PM
Er... 'fraid so! The 'hook' isn't bad, but it's repeated to almost "Call on Me" levels of mindlessness. Sorry! :blush:
!


Too harsh................nothing is THAT bad!

Trish
18th-October-2005, 11:06 AM
But he is entertaining to watch, you know he is going to throw in some 'extra' bits and annoy the judges! But I think Fiona was have done better if he had picked a much simpler routine.

And I liked Bill and Karen's routine - yes there was some drama in it probably detracting from his ability at the actual dancing (which the judges did notice) but performance is a part of it and he looked as if he was enjoying himself!

Yes, you're right there - he is entertaining, and as he said in the BBC2 show, when you've got that many people competing you have to do something to make your dance stand out. He did seem to suggest that he thought he might have gone too far and was really worried he'd go out the first week though!

I didn't mind Bill and Karen, it was fun - it'll be interesting to see how he gets on with ballroom this week though!

Lynn
18th-October-2005, 11:25 AM
Yes, you're right there - he is entertaining, and as he said in the BBC2 show, when you've got that many people competing you have to do something to make your dance stand out. He did seem to suggest that he thought he might have gone too far and was really worried he'd go out the first week though! He was very nice about Fiona as well and said nerves got the better of her, we will see how they get on this week.

Stuart
18th-October-2005, 04:29 PM
In the USA version of Strictly Come Dancing, although Kelly Monaco won the final, they had a "rematch" dance off which John Hurley won. So it could happen!

Somebody told me that a man won the Australian version of this - some former Rugby League player. Perhaps somebody else could confirm this.

Bill Turnbull was doing BBC Breakfast this morning and he admitted on that his partner had choreographed it to cover up his weaknesses.

Gojive
18th-October-2005, 04:50 PM
Don't forget folks, ITT is on as usual tonight, 6:30pm on BBC2 :blush:

Anyone see last night's "ITT" ? Some great (but short) clips of Darren & Jill's routines from the last series :worthy: :drool: :worthy:

Msfab
18th-October-2005, 04:59 PM
Bill Turnbull was doing BBC Breakfast this morning and he admitted on that his partner had choreographed it to cover up his weaknesses.

I dont think thats a bad thing! If anything Karen should be praised :worthy: and should be an example to the others. I think Anton and Darren were very good at that.
Theres no point in doing things the fancy way if your partner is not up to it! And goes for most things.

David Bailey
18th-October-2005, 07:06 PM
Don't forget folks, ITT is on as usual tonight, 6:30pm on BBC2 :blush:
I managed to catch this, was very good. I even warmed to Dennis Taylor. Given his fan base, he'll probably last a while, but I don't think he'll get to the semi-final...

Did you see the taster clip of Zoe and Ian doing the rumba? Wow :drool:

Also, the couple of seconds I saw of Will dancing the quickstep looked good - I still think he's been unfairly slated, he had superb posture.

Gojive
18th-October-2005, 07:13 PM
I managed to catch this, was very good. I even warmed to Dennis Taylor. Given his fan base, he'll probably last a while, but I don't think he'll get to the semi-final...

Did you see the taster clip of Zoe and Ian doing the rumba? Wow :drool:

Also, the couple of seconds I saw of Will dancing the quickstep looked good - I still think he's been unfairly slated, he had superb posture.

I can't argue with any of that!...so I won't :D

Minnie M
18th-October-2005, 07:13 PM
Did you see the taster clip of Zoe and Ian doing the rumba? Wow :drool:
:yeah: :worthy: she looked fab - just hope I can get to see the program on Saturday

BTW Both Zoe (who lives about 5mins away from me) and Patsy (not sure where she lives) are using our local dance studio to practice at the Rox School of Dancing (behind Hove Station) Carola teaches there

Ballroom queen
18th-October-2005, 07:22 PM
IAlso, the couple of seconds I saw of Will dancing the quickstep looked good - I still think he's been unfairly slated, he had superb posture.

I think that Will (like Julian Clary) is a ballroom dancer.

mind you Colin Jackson looked good too

spindr
19th-October-2005, 12:09 AM
I managed to catch this, was very good. I even warmed to Dennis Taylor. Given his fan base, he'll probably last a while, but I don't think he'll get to the semi-final...
The snooker addict in the office has been watching SCD as Dennis is dancing in it.

SpinDr

latinlover
19th-October-2005, 08:51 AM
Did you see the taster clip of Zoe and Ian doing the rumba? Wow :drool:

Also, the couple of seconds I saw of Will dancing the quickstep looked good - I still think he's been unfairly slated, he had superb posture.

:yeah:

I thought so too

senorita
19th-October-2005, 09:45 AM
I can't argue with any of that!...so I won't :D

Neither will I! ...his nostrils flare :D ...but in a nice way:) :hug:

BTW I thought Colin Jackson was a natural :drool: :worthy:

David Bailey
19th-October-2005, 10:04 AM
BTW I thought Colin Jackson was a natural :drool: :worthy:
It's weird, when I first saw him in the pre- adverts a few weeks ago, I just knew he'd be good. He's just got the look, you know?

I'd also like to see some more male leads do well, and to me Will and Colin are the best of these (OK, not too difficult given the competition is of the level of Bill "The Hat" Turnbull and Dennis "Dad Dancer" Taylor).

But yes, I think Zoe and Ian are the ones to catch at the moment.

senorita
19th-October-2005, 10:12 AM
It's weird, when I first saw him in the pre- adverts a few weeks ago, I just knew he'd be good. He's just got the look, you know?

I'd also like to see some more male leads do well, and to me Will and Colin are the best of these (OK, not too difficult given the competition is of the level of Bill "The Hat" Turnbull and Dennis "Dad Dancer" Taylor).

But yes, I think Zoe and Ian are the ones to catch at the moment.

sorry to be boring....& not give you an argument or solid feedback...but I totally agree with you again! :-D

No its not his colins looks...as I dont find him attractive (not my type)...I just thought he was a good natural mover/flexible/a very good exhibitionist/seemed very confident/facial expressions were perfect..

David Franklin
19th-October-2005, 10:27 AM
It's weird, when I first saw him in the pre- adverts a few weeks ago, I just knew he'd be good. He's just got the look, you know?Not hard to predict Colin Jackson would be good. He's a world class athlete in a sport involving a lot of technique, grace and flexibilty. Lots of experience of performing and presenting on television. And he knows what it's like to compete under immense pressure.


I'd also like to see some more male leads do well, and to me Will and Colin are the best of these.Will looks like he's had some level of dance training, I'd guess some form of solo dance (ballet/jazz/etc). His spot turn looks much too practised for a couple of weeks.


But yes, I think Zoe and Ian are the ones to catch at the moment.Looks that way. I have to admit, I'm hoping Colin can do it. Other than getting someone in with previous dance experience, I think he's about as good a male contestant as you could hope for. Will it be enough?

David Bailey
19th-October-2005, 10:35 AM
Not hard to predict Colin Jackson would be good. He's a world class athlete in a sport involving a lot of technique, grace and flexibilty. Lots of experience of performing and presenting on television. And he knows what it's like to compete under immense pressure.
Yes, but the same could be said about Roger Black, and he was, well, average.

Denise Lewis was great at the end, but it took her a long time - the competitive thing must have helped her there.


I have to admit, I'm hoping Colin can do it. Other than getting someone in with previous dance experience, I think he's about as good a male contestant as you could hope for. Will it be enough?
If not, you'd have to ask whether it's even worthwhile putting male celebs in this type of competition? (they're clearly massively disadvantaged from the start)

I know the judges compensate and allow for this as much as they can, but it's just so much easier for a leader professional to create a good dance than it is for a follower professional, and lots of the public do (in the end) vote on dance performance.

Heh, maybe they should have a DWAS competition format :)

David Franklin
19th-October-2005, 11:00 AM
Yes, but the same could be said about Roger Black, and he was, well, average.Not really. The 400m is a relatively simple running event, whereas the 110m hurdles is a very different event involving a lot more technique. The ideal in hurdling is to get over the hurdle without significantly raising your centre; because Colin was relatively "small" for a 110m hurdler, he had very little margin and it required exceptional technique and flexibility. At his best, he was essentially sprinting faster than any dancer could manage, while jumping nearly 4 feet high into (half) splits every second or so.

There's also a lot more detail about exactly where you put your feet and when, which probably helps when it comes to dancing.


Denise Lewis was great at the end, but it took her a long time - the competitive thing must have helped her there.I think athletes struggle with the ball/toe of the foot thing - when you have 20 years practicing to use your feet in a certain way it's not easy to change. And athletics favours big feet!

Again, I think that Colin is more "small and nimble" rather than "big and beefy", which helps here. (Though having seen Denise in the flesh, she wasn't as I epxected - I found her surprisingly petite).


If not, you'd have to ask whether it's even worthwhile putting male celebs in this type of competition? (they're clearly massively disadvantaged from the start) Well you can enter without thinking you could win. Do you think Gloria Hunniford thinks she has any chance of winning? But I agree that as currently judged it's looking really hard for a man to win the whole thing.

David Bailey
19th-October-2005, 11:45 AM
{ snip smart analysis }
Very smart :worthy:


(Though having seen Denise in the flesh, she wasn't as I epxected - I found her surprisingly petite).
Most professional athletes look much more imposing in real life than on TV - unlike most celebs, who usually look much less imposing. Seeing the tennis stars close-up at Wimbledon, for example, it really brings it home to you how massively impressive they are as physical specimens.


Well you can enter without thinking you could win. Do you think Gloria Hunniford thinks she has any chance of winning?
No, I think most celebs enter this (as they do other reality TV shows) with the aim of boosting their profile / selling their book / getting a chat show or whatever. And the longer they're in, the more successful they'll be in this aim.

But as long as this promotes partner dancing, I'm not too worried. Now, if Chris Parker or Quentin Higgins had won, then I'd be depressed...

David Franklin
19th-October-2005, 12:25 PM
Very smart :worthy: Thank you. I used to follow athletics quite closely - and the thing that always impressed me about Colin was that he didn't have everything going for him physically compared with the big Americans. And yet when he got everything right, he beat them all - because he really was amazingly good technically. His WR run really is a marvel to watch. Colin's big problem was that to run at that level he had to cut all the margins to a sliver, so it didn't take much for the "perfect run" to turn into a disaster.


Most professional athletes look much more imposing in real life than on TV - unlike most celebs, who usually look much less imposing. Seeing the tennis stars close-up at Wimbledon, for example, it really brings it home to you how massively impressive they are as physical specimens. I'm sure you're right. I haven't seen much sport live, but I was at the live screening of the first episode of SCD3; seeing Darren Gough next to all the dancers, my first thought was "flippin' heck he's big!".

So it's strange Denise doesn't meet the stereotype. I don't know how much I expected her to be big, and how much it's that she is very very lean. I think it's always surprising how much size you lose going from "well muscled, but normal body fat" to "well muscled, and cut to ribbons". But if you can't see the definition, you just think "skinny"...

Lory
19th-October-2005, 03:18 PM
seeing Darren Gough next to all the dancers, my first thought was "flippin' heck he's big!".


Funny, i thought that too :yum:

Gojive
19th-October-2005, 06:14 PM
Don't forget, ITT is on in 15mins (BBC2 6:30pm).

Tonight's guests are Bill Turnbull, and Fiona Phillips :)

Tessalicious
19th-October-2005, 10:58 PM
Finally got around to watching Saturday's show tonight (I've been dancing every night, more fun than watching other people do it, but of course videoed it just in case).

In general agreement with most of what David said below but would just like to add, I think Jaye could and probably will get really good, Zoe was lovely but its a shame she's dancing with Ian (IMHO, simply because I don't like him - she could have been even better with Anton). And Colin Jackson? First male celebrity that I have seen on these shows and really wished I could have the chance to dance with him, simply because of his obvious style, so I know where my vote's going!

Gojive
20th-October-2005, 06:17 PM
Curtain call - 5 mins until ITT (BBC 2, 6:30pm) :waycool:

Tonight's guests are Colin Jackson, and Darren Gough, followed by the 5 remaining pro-males.

Those of you travelling to the land of the skirted aines for BFG this w/e, don't forget to set your Videos!!

Lynn
20th-October-2005, 07:00 PM
Tonight's guests are Colin Jackson, and Darren Gough, followed by the 5 remaining pro-males.Shock! :eek: Anton du Beke wasn't wearing a tie! :eek: :rofl:

Daisy Chain
21st-October-2005, 12:25 PM
First male celebrity that I have seen on these shows and really wished I could have the chance to dance with him, simply because of his obvious style, so I know where my vote's going!

:yeah: Although I would also settle for standing behind him and watching him wiggle :innocent:

Daisy

(An Leering Little Flower)

Daisy Chain
21st-October-2005, 12:25 PM
First male celebrity that I have seen on these shows and really wished I could have the chance to dance with him, simply because of his obvious style, so I know where my vote's going!

:yeah: Although I would also settle for standing behind him and watching him wiggle :innocent:

Daisy

(A Leering Little Flower)

Gojive
21st-October-2005, 01:36 PM
Here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days (hopefully I'll get it right this time! :blush: )



ITT - Fri 21st, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
SCD - Sat 22nd, BBC1 6:20pm - 7:40pm
Results - Sat 22nd, BBC1 9:05pm - 9:35pm
ITT - Mon 24th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Tue 25th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Wed 26th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Thu 27th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm


A reminder of the dances this week (AFAIK):

The Rumba (All the male pros)
The Quickstep (All the female pros)

Enjoy! :waycool:

murphy
21st-October-2005, 02:04 PM
Here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days (hopefully I'll get it right this time! :blush: )



ITT - Fri 21st, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
SCD - Sat 22nd, BBC1 6:20pm - 7:40pm
Results - Sat 22nd, BBC1 9:05pm - 9:35pm
ITT - Mon 24th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Tue 25th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Wed 26th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Thu 27th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm


A reminder of the dances this week (AFAIK):

The Rumba (All the male pros)
The Quickstep (All the female pros)

Enjoy! :waycool:

:flower: sorry, but I think tonights episode on BBC2 is on at 6pm (not 6.30).
Do hope you haven't already programmed the video...

Gojive
21st-October-2005, 03:30 PM
:flower: sorry, but I think tonights episode on BBC2 is on at 6pm (not 6.30).
Do hope you haven't already programmed the video...

Oh flying b*ggering b*llocks!! - Why can't I ever get such a simple thing like this right? :tears:

Thanks Murphy, you are of course correct :blush:

(No wonder I didn't get the job as controller of BBC 2! :yum: )

murphy
21st-October-2005, 03:47 PM
Oh flying b*ggering b*llocks!! - Why can't I ever get such a simple thing like this right? :tears:

Thanks Murphy, you are of course correct :blush:

(No wonder I didn't get the job as controller of BBC 2! :yum: )

tee hee... don't beat yourself up - I'm just didn't want you to miss it :cheers:

David Bailey
21st-October-2005, 04:50 PM
Camilla and James from SCD were just on Ready Steady Cook (I know, very boring, I just happened to catch it, OK?) - shows how much this programme does to raise the profiles of the average celeb...

Ballroom queen
21st-October-2005, 07:10 PM
Oh flying b*ggering b*llocks!! - Why can't I ever get such a simple thing like this right? :tears:



www.radiotimes.com have a fab service - you register with your email address, its free, you can tick a box for no junk email, then you tell it what you like to watch, then it remembers your programs, and you can print out a nice schedule every week, then you get it right everytime!!!
:clap: :clap:

David Bailey
22nd-October-2005, 08:28 PM
Well, my first thoughts on the second episode:

Thank God there's nobody truly abysmal (Chris Parker, Quentin Whatsit) in this series. It's clear there are two superb couples, 2-3 fairly bad ones, and the rest are in the middle. It'd be nice to see a bit more competition at the top, but it's going to be tricky...

Rumba - was it just me, or were they all just a bit... boring?

Jaye and Andrew - very disappointing, I hoped she'd be really hot in the Latin stuff, she had her chance but blew it.

Yay Will and Hanna! I knew he had it in him - it was a lovely set, great music, he really earnt it. I told you so :smug icon:

And also yay Colin & Erin - fully deserved 36 points, really good stuff. I'd so love to see a male celeb win, and I think he's got a chance.

I dunno why, but Zoe and Ian do very little for me - they're great dancers, but they leave me cold.

I'm afraid Dennis Taylor fully justified the "Dad Dancer" tag :rolleyes:

I quite liked Gloria and Darren's rumba - at least it was better than last week.

As for Brendan and Fiona - what the hell is he playing at? He looks like he's given up trying to teach her, he's just trying to dance around her or something. Last week, fair enough, he's more a Latin than a ballroom guy, but this week was awful. Does he really think people can't see through him? How on Earth did he win the first series? Grrrr....

CeeCee
22nd-October-2005, 09:43 PM
Series 1 - is now just a vague memory.

Series 2 - I was totally addicted to every live show, enjoyed the background chit chat with the wonderful Claudia, the training, the agony and the joy that contributed to every performance. Loved the dancing, the costumes were great and Roger Black in ‘that’ shirt…

Series 3 I no longer have the time or the inclination to devote so much energy into keeping up with it. What is the point? I’m not learning anything and the ritual humiliation no longer entertains me. Just interested in the dancing.

Anyway, tonight I’ve watched the recorded show and by fast forwarding the chatting, jokes, judging and standing around stuff I’ve watched what I want to see in 28 minutes. Now that’s efficient.

CeeCee
22nd-October-2005, 10:17 PM
By the way, has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance to the ever popular pantomime format?

I simply don’t remember the first series but this one and the last appear to have their own Prince Charming, heroine, dame, ‘Buttons’, villain, evil witch, fairy godmother, narrator, king and queen and of course the chorus. I guess it works for television and stage.

FirstMove
22nd-October-2005, 10:27 PM
The judges are *behind* you.

Oh no they're not!

ElaineB
22nd-October-2005, 10:45 PM
Well, my first thoughts on the second episode:

Thank God there's nobody truly abysmal (Chris Parker, Quentin Whatsit) in this series. It's clear there are two superb couples, 2-3 fairly bad ones, and the rest are in the middle. It'd be nice to see a bit more competition at the top, but it's going to be tricky...

Rumba - was it just me, or were they all just a bit... boring?

Jaye and Andrew - very disappointing, I hoped she'd be really hot in the Latin stuff, she had her chance but blew it.

Yay Will and Hanna! I knew he had it in him - it was a lovely set, great music, he really earnt it. I told you so :smug icon:

And also yay Colin & Erin - fully deserved 36 points, really good stuff. I'd so love to see a male celeb win, and I think he's got a chance.

I dunno why, but Zoe and Ian do very little for me - they're great dancers, but they leave me cold.

I'm afraid Dennis Taylor fully justified the "Dad Dancer" tag :rolleyes:

I quite liked Gloria and Darren's rumba - at least it was better than last week.

As for Brendan and Fiona - what the hell is he playing at? He looks like he's given up trying to teach her, he's just trying to dance around her or something. Last week, fair enough, he's more a Latin than a ballroom guy, but this week was awful. Does he really think people can't see through him? How on Earth did he win the first series? Grrrr....

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

I didn't see the first episode, but I thought Zoe and Ian looked a little 'jittery', (not suprising as only the second episode!), but I think there is a lot of promise.

Re. Colin and Erin - they were wonderful and I am looking forward to seeing more of them! :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

As for Darren and Gloria - I felt that it was a 'correct' performance for someone of her age (60+? with a 28 year old) and I thought Darren's choreography was very clever in allowing her a little bit of smoulder, but with decorum.

David, you totally hit the mark with Brendon and Fiona - my comment at the time, was that he just walked all over her. Whereas Ian, Darren and Anton appeared to make their partners feel very comfortable and understood their abilities. If there was a 'who do you want to vote out number, I would definitely vote Brendon out!

Roll on next week!


Elaine

Ballroom queen
22nd-October-2005, 11:30 PM
well I was there again, and met my hero (Anton) again, had a photo taken with him (and THOSE trousers). (How did they come across on the telly? Haven't seen it yet, but live they left NOTHING to the imagination!!!!)
Colin was awesome, zoe good, the rest of the celeb ladies were pretty awful, and I have to say, most of the celeb men were pretty damn good - and they have to lead! And it looked like most of them were leading - only occasionally did I see the prof lady's left hand leading the celeb men.

I am wondering if they have searched for fab boys to get a male winner, I hope so?

That rumba caberet was fab, shame the beeb don't box them and show both the dancers and west life - like they do for results!!!

And in case you are wondering, the Jive was live - just as well coz it was fairly chaotic in the dress rehersal, that finished about 2 mins before the live show started!!!

You have to give it to the team at the beeb that produces this show.

FirstMove
22nd-October-2005, 11:48 PM
What form of bribary is it that gets you tickets two weeks in a row?

Ballroom queen
23rd-October-2005, 11:10 AM
What form of bribary is it that gets you tickets two weeks in a row?

nothing. I just applied, along with friends. don't panic, I'm away the next 4 saturdays.

Considering the how to get tickets was all posted on this forum, I am amazed at how few did!

And as for those white trousers, like Elvis, did you notice they mainly filmed from the waist up? Well, I guess it is a family show!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ballroom queen
23rd-October-2005, 11:13 AM
http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6360&highlight=tickets

and look, no one replied to this post!

ElaineB
23rd-October-2005, 07:24 PM
nothing. I just applied, along with friends. don't panic, I'm away the next 4 saturdays.

Considering the how to get tickets was all posted on this forum, I am amazed at how few did!



Well I know of one person in Bristol who applied for yesterday's show and failed to get tickets. About 16 of us from Bristol and Cardiff have applied for tickets for the 5 November show - keeping fingers crossed! :clap:

Elaine

Trish
24th-October-2005, 11:25 AM
I know some people were better than others on Saturday, but I really enjoyed watching everyone except Brendan and Fiona. I almost feel like voting for everyone else, just to get rid of them. I do think the judges don't help though, if they toned down what they said about them to something a bit less harsh, then they wouldn't get the sympathy vote. Having said that, I'd still rather watch them than Quentin Wilson or Chris Parker, who just tended to make me cringe.

Yay for Colin and Erin though :worthy: :clap: :clap: - they were fantastic!!! I do hope they win, so far it definitely looks like a man'd going to win it. I will even start voting soon at this rate!

Gojive
25th-October-2005, 07:07 PM
Did anyone see ITT tonight?

Len Goodman demonstrating a ballroom hold with Claudia:

"Put your right chesticle against me"

but when she stuck out her chest....

"No, don't point it at me!!"

and, when reviewing Dennis Taylor's left arm from Saturday:

"Look, it's up and down like a bride's nightie"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I though Bruno was funny last night, with his "Sh*t" slip, but Len's words are becoming a 'must hear' on ITT :waycool:

Apart from the funnies, I found his advice about 'heel leads' etc, very interesting :cheers:

Somewhat suprising (to me anyway), was finding out that Bill Turnbull is married - given his flirting with Karen on-screen :eek:

Trish
26th-October-2005, 11:52 AM
Did anyone see ITT tonight?

Len Goodman demonstrating a ballroom hold with Claudia:

"Put your right chesticle against me"

but when she stuck out her chest....

"No, don't point it at me!!"

and, when reviewing Dennis Taylor's left arm from Saturday:

"Look, it's up and down like a bride's nightie"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I though Bruno was funny last night, with his "Sh*t" slip, but Len's words are becoming a 'must hear' on ITT :waycool:

Apart from the funnies, I found his advice about 'heel leads' etc, very interesting :cheers:

Somewhat suprising (to me anyway), was finding out that Bill Turnbull is married - given his flirting with Karen on-screen :eek:

Yes, I really enjoyed that too! :rofl:

What's wrong with flirting? I flirt all the time, and I'm married (so does my husband!) - it tends to depend on having a secure relationship and not having a jealous spouse! His wife didn't seem to mind!

Donna
26th-October-2005, 12:33 PM
[QUOTE=Trish]I know some people were better than others on Saturday, but I really enjoyed watching everyone except Brendan and Fiona. I almost feel like voting for everyone else, just to get rid of them.

:yeah: I just feel so sorry for Brendan. He knows what he is doing and he works so hard to get it right.....damn he's just unlucky this time. Considering she is a TV presenter, you can tell a mile off she lacks confidence in her dancing. She was just all over the place!!!!

Reckon Erin and Collin will win it tough. Mind you, Zoe and Ian are good.

I think you're right about the judges being too harsh but then again, it's what gets people watching...and at the end of the day it's all for charidee!:nice:

David Bailey
26th-October-2005, 01:19 PM
:yeah: I just feel so sorry for Brendan. He knows what he is doing and he works so hard to get it right.....damn he's just unlucky this time.
Uh-huh - whereas Darren (Gloria's partner) and Izabella (Dennis Taylor's partner) have been given a bed of roses? :rolleyes:

Come on - he's got raw material like all the others, how he develops it is completely dependant on how good he is at teaching.

Honestly, I've gone right off the guy. He came across as completely unsupportive and unsympathetic - selfish, in fact.


Considering she is a TV presenter, you can tell a mile off she lacks confidence in her dancing. She was just all over the place!!!!
If my partner went on TV to basically slag me off and say "But I'm working hard - it's all her fault for having a life, kids, etc.", that would probably not improve my confidence levels either.

If you cast your minds back to the first season, Natasha was painfully shy as well; she managed to develop nicely enough. Or is Brendan only interested in devloping his partner if he's... developing... his partner? :whistle:


Reckon Erin and Collin will win it tough. Mind you, Zoe and Ian are good.
It's going to so so tough for a guy to win - but I think he's built up enough goodwill that he should get through to the finals at least.

Trish
26th-October-2005, 01:34 PM
Uh-huh - whereas Darren (Gloria's partner) and Izabella (Dennis Taylor's partner) have been given a bed of roses? :rolleyes:

Come on - he's got raw material like all the others, how he develops it is completely dependant on how good he is at teaching.

Honestly, I've gone right off the guy. He came across as completely unsupportive and unsympathetic - selfish, in fact.

:yeah: that's how I see it.


Reckon Erin and Collin will win it tough. Mind you, Zoe and Ian are good.

Yes, i hope so anyway. They seem to be working harder than anyone else, and I think he's probably also got more natural talent. There's still a lot of time left though, so anything could happen (although Fiona suddenly turning into a good dancer would rather surprise me!)

They were saying this week on SCD:ITT that it seems like the celebrity boys have got more talent than the girls - so far it's been all girls knocked out. And even the boys that aren't as good are giving it there all and seem to be really enjoying it. I'm looking forward to Tango and Jive this week, but apart from Bill getting Tango I don't know whose doing what. Anyone know? Perhaps I should look at the BBC website, maybe it says there.

Gojive
26th-October-2005, 02:23 PM
What's wrong with flirting? I flirt all the time, and I'm married (so does my husband!) - it tends to depend on having a secure relationship and not having a jealous spouse! His wife didn't seem to mind!

Absolutely nothing :) But the level of flirting was a little suprising to me - even one of the papers had a piece entitled "Strictly Lovers" last week. As you say though, Bill's wife doesn't seem to mind, so good luck to them! :cheers:



I'm looking forward to Tango and Jive this week, but apart from Bill getting Tango I don't know whose doing what. Anyone know? Perhaps I should look at the BBC website, maybe it says there.

Don't quote me on this (I seem to be getting silly things wrong lately :blush: ), but I believe all the male celebs are dancing the Tango, and all the females, the Jive :)

David Bailey
26th-October-2005, 02:43 PM
Don't quote me on this (I seem to be getting silly things wrong lately :blush: ), but I believe all the male celebs are dancing the Tango, and all the females, the Jive :)
So technically, they're both doing Latin dances, right? :innocent:

(Jive being a Latin dance, obviously. :rolleyes: - there's some silly rule about "dance progression" defining what's ballroom and what's Latin, isn't there?)

Looking at the list of dances, it looks like they've dropped the Viennese Waltz and added Argentinian Tango ( :clap: ), Jitterbug and Cuban Salsa, to give 12 dances in total.

Seems strange to have two Tango styles, however. Presumably next week is Ballroom and later they'll have Argentinian?

Ballroom queen
26th-October-2005, 07:41 PM
So technically, they're both doing Latin dances, right? :innocent:

(Jive being a Latin dance, obviously. :rolleyes: - there's some silly rule about "dance progression" defining what's ballroom and what's Latin, isn't there?)



I don't think so, ballroom Tango is ballroom - otherwise known as "modern" - or at the international dance comp at the albert hall I was at the other week "standard" !!!??? The Samba is a progressive dance, but is Latin.

David Bailey
26th-October-2005, 08:45 PM
I don't think so, ballroom Tango is ballroom - otherwise known as "modern" - or at the international dance comp at the albert hall I was at the other week "standard" !!!??? The Samba is a progressive dance, but is Latin.
OK - Tango is not Latin, and Jive is... :eek:

The Wikipedia entry on ballroom dancing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballroom_dancing) helps a bit - in other words, not much - when it says:

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"Coming from grouping dances in competitions, the following divisions of contemporary ballroom dance are recognized: International Standard and International Latin. In addition, American Smooth, and American Rhythm are widely popular in the USA. The former two divisions are called International Style and the latter two are American Style.

As you may see below, both International and American styles include dances with the same names. However, they are danced quite differently. Therefore, when discussing dance technique, the dance is named including its style, e.g., it is spoken of American Style Rumba vs. International Rumba or American Tango vs. International Tango. In a way, "Standard" matches "Smooth" and "Latin" matches "Rhythm".

Australia also has a division called New Vogue and is often referred to as 'Australian New Vogue'. It is danced both competitively and socially. In competition there are 15 recognised New Vogue dances which are performed by the competitors in sequence."
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So, that's clear as mud. Blimey, and people wonder why everyone thinks the ballroom dancing scene is silly, sometimes these people are their own worst enemies... :rolleyes:

Anyway, Anton was on form in It Takes Two tonight, wasn't he? The man's a total tart, but he's such a star he gets away with it.

Dennis Taylor looked very confident in the Jive; he just had the look, you know? Zoe and Ian didn't look at all confident, so who knows?

Lynn
26th-October-2005, 08:53 PM
Absolutely nothing :) But the level of flirting was a little suprising to me - even one of the papers had a piece entitled "Strictly Lovers" last week. As you say though, Bill's wife doesn't seem to mind, so good luck to them! :cheers: I thought the 'Strictly Lovers' headline was Camilla and her partner (I suppose two papers could have run with the same title). I think Karen and Bill's flirting is between people very comfortable and secure in their own relationships. (And if there is a little bit of chemistry, then flirting can be a good light way of 'diffusing' it rather harmlessly.)

Lynn
26th-October-2005, 08:59 PM
Dennis Taylor looked very confident in the Jive; he just had the look, you know? Zoe and Ian didn't look at all confident, so who knows?I think Zoe has hurt her neck?

I know its only a few weeks in, but I really want Colin and Erin to win. Its not just that he is working so hard but he is clearly really enjoying the dancing - that mix of application and sheer enjoyment, together with natural talent, could be a real winning combination.

Plus of course he looks good in all those tight outfits :whistle: :drool:

Ballroom queen
26th-October-2005, 09:04 PM
i agree, Anton was on form. Saying that Patsy's dress was lupin not lilac the first week, made me laugh anyway!

from tonights ITT:
Jive:
Fiona, Will, Gloria, Zoe, Dennis
Tango:
Colin (to win, please)
Bill, James, Patsy, Darren

David Bailey
26th-October-2005, 10:20 PM
from tonights ITT:
Jive:
Fiona, Will, Gloria, Zoe, Dennis
Tango:
Colin (to win, please)
Bill, James, Patsy, Darren
So it's not boy-girl split now?

There was a comment someone made, it seemed to imply they could actually choose their preferred dances now?

Gojive
26th-October-2005, 10:48 PM
So it's not boy-girl split now?

There was a comment someone made, it seemed to imply they could actually choose their preferred dances now?

DAD!..I fink I got it wrong again! :tears: :blush:

The boy/girl split was the only mention of who was doing what, on one of the forums. The official BBC website could be a bit better in this department I feel.

jivecat
27th-October-2005, 12:05 AM
Can someone tell me who got knocked out on Saturday night, please? I've only just finished watching the video of it, and I forgot to set it for the results show.

Gojive
27th-October-2005, 12:15 AM
Can someone tell me who got knocked out on Saturday night, please? I've only just finished watching the video of it, and I forgot to set it for the results show.

Jaye and Zorro were knocked out.

Here's a useful link for catching up with an episode...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/episode_index.shtml

:)

Trish
27th-October-2005, 11:58 AM
I thought the 'Strictly Lovers' headline was Camilla and her partner (I suppose two papers could have run with the same title). I think Karen and Bill's flirting is between people very comfortable and secure in their own relationships. (And if there is a little bit of chemistry, then flirting can be a good light way of 'diffusing' it rather harmlessly.)

Yes that was exactly what I thought.


Dennis Taylor looked very confident in the Jive; he just had the look, you know? Zoe and Ian didn't look at all confident, so who knows?

I thought this too, Zoe looked very stiff and straight and didn't seem to be flicking her knees/moving her hips etc. Having said that, if she's hurt her neck, that could explain that, she wouldn't want to jarr it. Even if Jive isn't really their dance though I wouldn't want to see them go out, they've got more dances in them I'm sure.

I thought Gloria looked a lot more comfortable this week. Can't see her getting on any better with Tango than with Rumba if she gets that far though.

Strangly even though everyone keeps raving about her, I'm not that keen on Pasty - I thought she looked angry all the way through her Rumba rather than passionate, but that might be good for Tango - she seems to have got the haughty thing sussed anyway!

Gojive
27th-October-2005, 04:28 PM
Removed: duplicate post

Gojive
27th-October-2005, 04:29 PM
Yes that was exactly what I thought.

I'm not knocking it - I was just a little suprised, that's all :)



Strangly even though everyone keeps raving about her, I'm not that keen on Pasty

Well I know she's fair skinned, but.....:wink:

:D

Gojive
27th-October-2005, 11:08 PM
Here's the TV Schedule for the next 7 days:



ITT - Fri 28th, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
SCD - Sat 29th, BBC1 6:35pm - 7:55pm
Results - Sat 29th, BBC1 8:30pm - 9:00pm
ITT - Mon 31st, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Tue 1st, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Wed 2nd, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Thu 3rd, BBC2 6:30pm - 7:00pm

Gojive
27th-October-2005, 11:10 PM
Oh, and if you're quick, Zoe Ball is on the Frank Skinner show in the next few minutes :)

David Bailey
28th-October-2005, 07:55 AM
Oh, and if you're quick, Zoe Ball is on the Frank Skinner show in the next few minutes :)
She and Ian were on ITT last night - blimey, they've had one practice session this week, that's it? Well, it's her funeral.

Brendan's turning into the Partner From Hell apparently, slagging Fiona off in the Mirror or something. What a scumbucket, no wonder she's got no confidence with this guy bad-mouthing her all over the place. Still, it makes good telly.

Lynn
28th-October-2005, 10:20 AM
Brendan's turning into the Partner From Hell apparently, slagging Fiona off in the Mirror or something. What a scumbucket, no wonder she's got no confidence with this guy bad-mouthing her all over the place. Still, it makes good telly. I think it was probably more someone asked him 'Is she the worst partner you have had?' and he maybe didn't say no... You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers you know! :whistle:


She and Ian were on ITT last night - blimey, they've had one practice session this week, that's it? Well, it's her funeral. I noticed they are at the bottom for practice time. Last year Darren and Jill were one of the couples who had most practice time, despite being favourites and her being naturally good.

David Bailey
28th-October-2005, 10:51 AM
I think it was probably more someone asked him 'Is she the worst partner you have had?' and he maybe didn't say no... You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers you know! :whistle:
I don't, I'm just judging from what I see them say in live interviews. I noticed Camilla was struggling to be very diplomatic about them last night, and she partnered Brendan for 8 years.

I can believe it must be frustrating when you get such low marks, but Fiona's problem is clearly confidence - surely the best thing he can do in that situation is to praise her to the skies?

Of course, if I were really cynical, I'd wonder how much all these frictions were played up in order to get publicity...

Lynn
28th-October-2005, 10:59 AM
I don't, I'm just judging from what I see them say in live interviews. In the interviews he said he didn't say it, and she said it was probably what I said above.


I can believe it must be frustrating when you get such low marks, but Fiona's problem is clearly confidence - surely the best thing he can do in that situation is to praise her to the skies?

Of course, if I were really cynical, I'd wonder how much all these frictions were played up in order to get publicity... I think that is part of it!

Brendan did say earlier in the week on ITT how he has been constantly telling Fiona she is fantastic, that she has done much better performances in practice sessions but her nerves get really bad on the night. I think the judges have done more to knock her confidence than he has. But they are also going for the sympathy vote, and getting it. I would love to see them stay in long enough for her to improve and have one evening where she feels she can dance.

Trish
28th-October-2005, 04:28 PM
I'm not knocking it - I was just a little suprised, that's all :)

"pasty"

Well I know she's fair skinned, but.....:wink:

:D

:rofl: :rofl: - yeah it suits her!

jivecat
28th-October-2005, 08:56 PM
I can believe it must be frustrating when you get such low marks, but Fiona's problem is clearly confidence - surely the best thing he can do in that situation is to praise her to the skies?



Well, not exactly, I think the problem is that she's a poor dancer, but increasing her confidence would help as much as anything else. It might help her to benefit from the practice/teaching sessions for one thing. Poor dear, she always tries to laugh about it but I bet she goes home from rehearsals and has a good cry.

David Bailey
29th-October-2005, 11:24 AM
Well, not exactly, I think the problem is that she's a poor dancer, but increasing her confidence would help as much as anything else. It might help her to benefit from the practice/teaching sessions for one thing. Poor dear, she always tries to laugh about it but I bet she goes home from rehearsals and has a good cry.
I dunno, it looks like torture for her, I want her out so she can stop the misery. There should be a "vote this person out" number!

On the other hand, it's always possible that she'll blossom out, who knows.

Lory
29th-October-2005, 11:36 AM
I'm going to see the show live tonight :clap: if I get any inside gossip, you'll all be the first to know! :wink:

Minnie M
29th-October-2005, 11:43 AM
I'm going to see the show live tonight :clap: if I get any inside gossip, you'll all be the first to know! :wink:
Have a fab time - lucky you to see the Jive LIVE :yeah: let us know what colour top you will be wearing so we can look out for you :clap:

Stuart
29th-October-2005, 12:08 PM
Whilst wandering through Waterstones this morning, I noticed that there is now an official "Behind the scenes" SCD book. It was £14.99 but I'm sure that will be cheaper on Amazon.

Lory
29th-October-2005, 12:11 PM
Whilst wandering through Waterstones this morning, I noticed that there is now an official "Behind the scenes" SCD book. It was £14.99 but I'm sure that will be cheaper on Amazon.
:yeah: Here on amazon it's £8-99 :) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0563522933/202-7392201-1942219)

Lory
29th-October-2005, 03:01 PM
Have a fab time - lucky you to see the Jive LIVE :yeah: let us know what colour top you will be wearing so we can look out for you :clap:
Black of course :cool: although it does have little sparkly detail round the neck! :wink:

Lynn
30th-October-2005, 01:19 AM
Home early enough to watch it tonight - though my video is playing up so I didn't get a clear view of some it. :tears:

Summary of my thoughts...Patsy has really progressed from wanting to leave the country after the first week, I was disappointed at Colin's dance, (but still think he's nice!) and think that aside from Fiona, Gloria was the right one to go - their dance was just too simple, though well suited to her and she was clearly enjoying herself. I didn't like Bill's posture, he almost looked like he was leaning back too much - resistance to the close contact? Zoe's perfomance technically seemed good, but lacked something, not sure what. I thought Fiona was still not very good, but improved, and the ending was great!:rofl:

That's 3 celebrity women out so far and none of the men! The men have been of a much higher standard than previous years and I'm especially enjoying the transformation in Darren. I think his example would encourage some guys to give dancing a try who otherwise might not.

Baruch
30th-October-2005, 01:57 AM
I was disappointed at Colin's dance, (but still think he's nice!)
It wasn't that great, but bearing in mind that he's been on jury service and had hardly any time to practise, that's hardly surprising. I think it would have been a lot better if he and Erin had been able to put in a full week's practice.


and think that aside from Fiona, Gloria was the right one to go - their dance was just too simple, though well suited to her and she was clearly enjoying herself.
That "aside" is a big one. At least Gloria looked like she was enjoying it, whereas Fiona obviously wasn't enjoying it, had no confidence and lacked ability. She should have been the one to go.

All in all, though, I'm impressed with the quality of dancing this series so far. I'm rooting for Colin Jackson to win (and not just because he's Welsh).

philsmove
30th-October-2005, 09:39 AM
I liked Len Goodman’s comment to Fiona Phillips
“success come in Cans, not Carts”

Lory
30th-October-2005, 09:51 AM
I'm not sure if anyone saw me but i was sitting directly behind the Judges, I've not seen it yet, so I don't know myself:confused:

Anyway, to be honest, it wasn't a great place to sit, except for Michael Buble's performance, which was fabulous!:worthy:

I had a good view of the contestants during their interviews with Brucie, I could see them all very close up and the 'dresses'!:drool: I know I said this last time but it's true, they're so much better in 'real life':waycool:

During the break, I followed Fiona to the loo, she was chatting to her friend and she seemed very resided to the fact that (a), she's hopeless and (b), she was going home and to be honest, she looked 'worn' by the whole experience.. I felt sorry for her:(

The camera work..... although we hate it, it adds speed and dimension to the dancing and definitely makes it look more dynamic than it really is:cool: ... when the dancers are spinning.. there's a camera man running as fast as he can around them in the opposite direction, so they appear to spin twice as fast.. very clever!

I agree that either Gloria and Fiona should have gone this week, Im not sure how it came across on the telly but Gloria's dance was 'really' slow and didn't seem to have any of the energy that they said was the most important ingredient.

Colin's feet, looked like he was stamping in a very clumpy way, which I found distracting, as they were all I seemed to be able to focus on.

Will, does nothing for me.:sick:

Zoe was OK but as Lynn said, it lacked something, I think if they'd had more time to rehearse, it might have polished up OK

Dennis, bless him, he does make me smile when I watch him

I loved Bill and Karen's routine again, if nothing else, it had entertainment value but i'm afraid he's just not the type to exude any passion, I don't doubt he's trying hard but I just think it's not in his soul.. the harder he tries, the 'naffer' his expression is:sick:

Camilla, wow, I hardly recognised her, she looked so different. I liked their routine but he does look a bit like a bull in a china shop. I think she compensates for his short comings brilliantly

I agreed with the judges, both Patsy and Darren stood out way above the others.:worthy:


Most of the contestants look like they've developed really great relationships and this shone through during the 'off camera' parts of the show... Patsy & Anton and Darren & Lilia especially, that was great fun to see. Maybe this will turn out to be the 'winning factor'?

I'm going to admit something now, I've started to have a soft spot for Darren:really: ... There, I've said it... :blush:

ElaineB
30th-October-2005, 11:06 AM
I'm not sure if anyone saw me but i was sitting directly behind the Judges, I've not seen it yet, so I don't know myself:confused:

Anyway, to be honest, it wasn't a great place to sit, except for Michael Buble's performance, which was fabulous!:worthy:

I had a good view of the contestants during their interviews with Brucie, I could see them all very close up and the 'dresses'!:drool: I know I said this last time but it's true, they're so much better in 'real life':waycool:

During the break, I followed Fiona to the loo, she was chatting to her friend and she seemed very resided to the fact that (a), she's hopeless and (b), she was going home and to be honest, she looked 'worn' by the whole experience.. I felt sorry for her:(

The camera work..... although we hate it, it adds speed and dimension to the dancing and definitely makes it look more dynamic than it really is:cool: ... when the dancers are spinning.. there's a camera man running as fast as he can around them in the opposite direction, so they appear to spin twice as fast.. very clever!

I agree that either Gloria and Fiona should have gone this week, Im not sure how it came across on the telly but Gloria's dance was 'really' slow and didn't seem to have any of the energy that they said was the most important ingredient.

Colin's feet, looked like he was stamping in a very clumpy way, which I found distracting, as they were all I seemed to be able to focus on.

Will, does nothing for me.:sick:

Zoe was OK but as Lynn said, it lacked something, I think if they'd had more time to rehearse, it might have polished up OK

Dennis, bless him, he does make me smile when I watch him

I loved Bill and Karen's routine again, if nothing else, it had entertainment value but i'm afraid he's just not the type to exude any passion, I don't doubt he's trying hard but I just think it's not in his soul.. the harder he tries, the 'naffer' his expression is:sick:

Camilla, wow, I hardly recognised her, she looked so different. I liked their routine but he does look a bit like a bull in a china shop. I think she compensates for his short comings brilliantly

I agreed with the judges, both Patsy and Darren stood out way above the others.:worthy:


Most of the contestants look like they've developed really great relationships and this shone through during the 'off camera' parts of the show... Patsy & Anton and Darren & Lilia especially, that was great fun to see. Maybe this will turn out to be the 'winning factor'?

I'm going to admit something now, I've started to have a soft spot for Darren:really: ... There, I've said it... :blush:

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

To me Lory, you summed up the performances perfectly!!!

I admired Darren's choice of choreography with Gloria. She patently is not a dancer or very physically mobile, but he developed a routine that allowed her to perform, albeit in a 'stately' manner. For that, I admire him. :flower:

By the way, - you sure that was Michael Buble? I was sure it was David Barker - moonlighting! :D

I am going up to the 5 November performance. Does anyone know what they are dancing yet?


Elaine

David Bailey
30th-October-2005, 11:44 AM
I thought it was a bit of a weird one last night - up until now, I thought that Colin / Erin and Zoe / Ian had it sewn up between them, and then they go downhill, and a couple of challengers come along...


Summary of my thoughts...Patsy has really progressed from wanting to leave the country after the first week,
It was lovely wasn't it? It seemed to all go so fast - I could watch that footwork again and again. Honestly, it was the only dance I loved out of all of them. Anton's clearly a Superstar teacher (like we didn't know that already), just look at the difference between Patsy and Fiona now...

Frankly, I'm glad Gloria's out, she really didn't take it seriously I think, she was more worried about her "image" than actually competing. Colin really didn't look that good - honestly if he hadn't done so well the previous couple of weeks, they might have been marked down even more.

Fiona - God, let's hope we don't have a female Chris Parker 2005 on our hands with her, she's getting so much sympathy voting now it may be difficult for her to get voted off, ever...


That's 3 celebrity women out so far and none of the men! The men have been of a much higher standard than previous years and I'm especially enjoying the transformation in Darren. I think his example would encourage some guys to give dancing a try who otherwise might not.
Totally agree - I hadn't even realised it until you pointed it out. The only man who's really not suited is Dennis, and even he's not diabolically bad...


I'm not sure if anyone saw me but i was sitting directly behind the Judges, I've not seen it yet, so I don't know myself:confused:
I didn't and I was looking :tears:

(I did notice that they put all the eye-candy in the front rows though... :whistle: )


During the break, I followed Fiona to the loo, she was chatting to her friend and she seemed very resided to the fact that (a), she's hopeless and (b), she was going home and to be honest, she looked 'worn' by the whole experience.. I felt sorry for her:(
Which sympathy factor is why she'll get lots of votes...


The camera work..... although we hate it, it adds speed and dimension to the dancing and definitely makes it look more dynamic than it really is:cool: ... when the dancers are spinning.. there's a camera man running as fast as he can around them in the opposite direction, so they appear to spin twice as fast.. very clever!
Actually, I was meaning to say, I really liked the camera work this series, it's focussed on the right things, it shows the footwork, and it accentuates the drama. Unlike the camerawork on SDF, which was dire.


I'm going to admit something now, I've started to have a soft spot for Darren:really: ... There, I've said it... :blush:
:rolleyes:

Stuart
30th-October-2005, 11:57 AM
:

I am going up to the 5 November performance. Does anyone know what they are dancing yet?


Elaine

I think they said it was the Pasa Doble and the Foxtrot.

Baruch
30th-October-2005, 12:08 PM
I loved Bill and Karen's routine again, if nothing else, it had entertainment value but i'm afraid he's just not the type to exude any passion, I don't doubt he's trying hard but I just think it's not in his soul.. the harder he tries, the 'naffer' his expression is:sick:
Did anyone else think that his expression made him look like Mr. Bean while the judges were giving their opinions? :nice:

Lynn
30th-October-2005, 02:53 PM
By the way, - you sure that was Michael Buble? I was sure it was David Barker - moonlighting! :D :rofl: I thought that too!

Jive Brummie
31st-October-2005, 12:31 AM
Sorry to say this guy's and I'm not sure if it's been said already, and without sounding too offensive (:whistle: ), I think Fiona Phillips is utter rubbish. I don't think any amount of encouragement will make her dance any better. I honestly don't think she's even capable of walking normally let alone move to a beat...to use a phrase i hear now and again...'she makes my eyes sick:sick: '

I don't think she has any desire to do well, she doesn't appear to give a monkey's and i get the feeling she just think's "oh well it's just a bit of dancing". Huge generalisation there I know but hey that's what personal opinion is all about isn't it?

I get the unnerving feeling that a Christopher Parker scenario may occur whereby the viewing audience persist in voting her through either because they genuinely like her or rather they enjoy watching the pain!

To briefly reiterate...Fiona Phillips...crap, crap, garbage, crap, rubbish, pants, cobblers, useless, rubbish...painful to watch...get off and lets watch the good dancers...(ooo, that makes me sound rather hotshot-ist doesn't it:sick: )

JB

Baruch
31st-October-2005, 01:05 AM
I get the unnerving feeling that a Christopher Parker scenario may occur whereby the viewing audience persist in voting her through either because they genuinely like her or rather they enjoy watching the pain!
:yeah:
What a scary thought. Imagine having to watch her for weeks to come! I really do wish people would vote onthe basis of the dancing, but that's just never going to happen. The sympathy vote is very powerful.

ElaineB
31st-October-2005, 08:32 AM
Sorry to say this guy's and I'm not sure if it's been said already, and without sounding too offensive (:whistle: ), I think Fiona Phillips is utter rubbish. I don't think any amount of encouragement will make her dance any better. I honestly don't think she's even capable of walking normally let alone move to a beat...to use a phrase i hear now and again...'she makes my eyes sick:sick: '

I don't think she has any desire to do well, she doesn't appear to give a monkey's and i get the feeling she just think's "oh well it's just a bit of dancing". Huge generalisation there I know but hey that's what personal opinion is all about isn't it?

I get the unnerving feeling that a Christopher Parker scenario may occur whereby the viewing audience persist in voting her through either because they genuinely like her or rather they enjoy watching the pain!

To briefly reiterate...Fiona Phillips...crap, crap, garbage, crap, rubbish, pants, cobblers, useless, rubbish...painful to watch...get off and lets watch the good dancers...(ooo, that makes me sound rather hotshot-ist doesn't it:sick: )

JB

I really wonder why she entered. I presume she must have had some ambitition to dance, however, she seems to have such a negative attitude. Len was quite right when he told her to change her attitude to 'can'.

I feel cringingly sorry for her, but I hope she goes out this week as well - or that the SCD Fairy Godmother can wave her wand and grant her the ability to dance!


Elaine

David Bailey
31st-October-2005, 08:55 AM
I really wonder why she entered. I presume she must have had some ambitition to dance, however, she seems to have such a negative attitude. Len was quite right when he told her to change her attitude to 'can'.

I'd like to be able to disagree, but I can't. She has improved, but it would be impossible not to given the amount of focus. And yes, given her stated aversion to dancing, why did she enter a dance competition in the first place?

It clearly doesn't help that she's with Brendan the Bully, but I'm almost beginning to feel some sympathy for the guy. Trouble is, she's got such a big sympathy vote factor, this could carry her through a while yet.

I'm not too concerned at the moment, there's still a couple of dodgy dancers who we can live without in the competition. But it'd annoy me if a good couple (Colin/Erin, or even James/Camilla) were to have a bad week, and get voted out whilst Fiona/Brendan stayed in.

Lory
31st-October-2005, 09:10 AM
Having had the chance to watch a recording of the show now, I can honestly say, they all look 'much better' on screen!:waycool:

I hardly noticed Colin's stampy feet or how rough James was with Camilla this time
:)

Minnie M
31st-October-2005, 09:12 AM
Having had the chance to watch a recording of the show now, I can honestly say, they all look 'much better' on screen!:waycool:

I hardly noticed Colin's stampy feet or how rough James was with Camilla this time
:)

Looked really hard, but couldn't see you in the audience :sad:

Lucky you seeing all that live dancing and Michael B. too :clap:

robd
31st-October-2005, 11:14 AM
I think Fiona Phillips is utter rubbish.
Agree - some of her moments have been painful to watch



I don't think she has any desire to do well, she doesn't appear to give a monkey's and i get the feeling she just think's "oh well it's just a bit of dancing". Huge generalisation there I know but hey that's what personal opinion is all about isn't it?

Can't agree with this. I know it's your personal view and you're entitled to it but what are you basing it on? We can all make an informed view on the quality if her dance as we see it on the show but the stuff going on outside of the show we do not see and therefore really can't judge.

Robert

robd
31st-October-2005, 11:31 AM
A thought and a question

1 - I think it's unfair for the celebrity men to be dancing the same dance as a professional male (sorry if this is covered before but I haven't time to read 7 pages of this thread) - I can see they had to do this because of how previous evictions had gone but Anton (& whoever) was always going to do the tango ( a dance in which the lead is very important) better than any celebrity man (& whoever). I'm not knocking Patsy who did very well but Anton's influence on their dance as a pair was more than the influence that a female pro dancer could have on the celeb men and that was reflected in the scoring. I do like Anton though and hope he stays in til the end.

2 - What was the music playing for Colin & Erin's tango - clips are at http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/10/29/26447.shtml if you need reminding? It's somthing I hear out a lot so probably blindingly obvious to those in the know.

Robert

Lynn
31st-October-2005, 11:37 AM
2 - What was the music playing for Colin & Erin's tango - clips are at http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/10/29/26447.shtml if you need reminding? It's somthing I hear out a lot so probably blindingly obvious to those in the know. Ride It (Geri Halliwell)

Trish
31st-October-2005, 12:16 PM
Sorry to say this guy's and I'm not sure if it's been said already, and without sounding too offensive (:whistle: ), I think Fiona Phillips is utter rubbish. I don't think any amount of encouragement will make her dance any better. I honestly don't think she's even capable of walking normally let alone move to a beat...to use a phrase i hear now and again...'she makes my eyes sick:sick: '

I don't think she has any desire to do well, she doesn't appear to give a monkey's and i get the feeling she just think's "oh well it's just a bit of dancing". Huge generalisation there I know but hey that's what personal opinion is all about isn't it?

I get the unnerving feeling that a Christopher Parker scenario may occur whereby the viewing audience persist in voting her through either because they genuinely like her or rather they enjoy watching the pain!

To briefly reiterate...Fiona Phillips...crap, crap, garbage, crap, rubbish, pants, cobblers, useless, rubbish...painful to watch...get off and lets watch the good dancers...(ooo, that makes me sound rather hotshot-ist doesn't it:sick: )

JB

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :rofl:

Glad you were brave enough to say it! I don't know if what you said is really Fiona's attitude, but it's how it comes across. She is so defeatist!

Really liked Patsy this time - and I agree that Anton is obviously a brilliant teacher and excellent at instilling confidence in people.

I think the judges placings this time were pretty much spot on, and generally agreed with them (even with Arlene saying the only person that could help Fiona was Paul Mackenna!). Even Craig seemed to be in a good mood!

If it carries on going this way, it's probably going to be a man that wins - which is excellent - hope it encourages lots of men to dance!

And I hope that Colin's jury service isn't some really long trial for murder or something. With any luck it'll finish shortly.

Lynn
31st-October-2005, 12:25 PM
I think the judges placings this time were pretty much spot on, and generally agreed with them (even with Arlene saying the only person that could help Fiona was Paul Mackenna!). Even Craig seemed to be in a good mood!I agree with their placings, but the judges can be rather extreme in their comments. Someone, who has watched and enjoyed the programme in the past, told me yesterday that they won't be bothering to watch again as they are so fed up with the judges being what comes across as hyper critical. Yes we can see the mistakes that the celebs are making and can understand why the judges say most of the things they do, but they are clearly putting some of the general public off - who probably identify with the celebs attempts at dancing. And of course the judges being very hard on celebs will increase their sympathy vote. I think Fiona may well have been out of the series by this stage (week 3) if the judges hadn't been so harsh in their comments.

Jive Brummie
31st-October-2005, 12:39 PM
Agree - some of her moments have been painful to watch


Can't agree with this. I know it's your personal view and you're entitled to it but what are you basing it on? We can all make an informed view on the quality if her dance as we see it on the show but the stuff going on outside of the show we do not see and therefore really can't judge.

Robert

I know this is a broad generalisation but I honestly don't think she cares. The BBC are very clever in showing the viewer all the tears and tantrums but they don't show you everything. Brendan whats-his-mush is a pro dancer and by virtue has a reputation to keep. Everyone has said that the amatuer male's have a far harder job than an amatuer female and therefore it begs the question as to why Fiona is struggling so much if she has got such a fantastic lead like Brendan...is this a reflection on him or her? It seems pretty obvious that he's fiercly competitive and wants to do well. First series..Natasha Kaplinsky...ended up crying now and again but held it together and won! Second series...Sarah Manners...similar in ability to Fiona Phillips, but with an even worse attitude and now he's got Fiona Phillips..who appears to have the dancing ability of a wet ant in it's last throws of death. He set the standard in the first series and hasn't been able to live up to it since...no wonder he's hacked off.

I agree, a bit of encouragement now and again would go down well, but like Brendan said on the tele, he'd love to say something positive about her dancing but what is there? I think the only thing he'd achieve by doing the cringe worthy mutual back slapping thing would be to improve her confidence so that she ended up really trying to dance like John Wayne after riding the wild west bare back. If she's crap then she should be told, this patting on the back and the 'there-there' approach achieves nowt! (ooo, harsh!)

I'd like to see her do well but hell freezing over is a long time away and I don't have that long left on the earth:sick:

JB.

p.s. I bet Lillia and Erin are just as hard on there partners but you don't see many of the guys crying do you...it just makes them want it more and try even harder. Just an observation.

David Franklin
31st-October-2005, 12:54 PM
I know this is a broad generalisation but I honestly don't think she cares. Disagree. I think she's actually pretty hurt. But I also think she's decided "Whatever happens, I'm going to be crap, so what's the point? And I didn't really want to do well anyway" {sulk}.

[Above based on the few seconds I was behind her at the show this Saturday].


Brendan whats-his-mush is a pro dancer and by virtue has a reputation to keep. Everyone has said that the amatuer male's have a far harder job than an amatuer female and therefore it begs the question as to why Fiona is struggling so much if she has got such a fantastic lead like Brendan...is this a reflection on him or her? To be honest, I see it largely as a reflection on him, and on his ego that won't let him choreograph at an appropriate level. I would have to look at SCD1 to see if he was any different then, but it seems Brendan's attitude to a weak partner now is "Well, I'm going to show I can dance at a pro level, even if you can't. In fact, I'm going to try and make the difference between our levels glaringly obvious". Whereas Darren did a great deal to work around Gloria's limitations, Brendan's routines have been very uncompromising.

In fact, if Brendan was a Cerocer, he'd be a prime candidate for a "hotshot" badge... :devil:

Lynn
31st-October-2005, 01:06 PM
To be honest, I see it largely as a reflection on him, and on his ego that won't let him choreograph at an appropriate level. I would have to look at SCD1 to see if he was any different then, but it seems Brendan's attitude to a weak partner now is "Well, I'm going to show I can dance at a pro level, even if you can't. In fact, I'm going to try and make the difference between our levels glaringly obvious". Whereas Darren did a great deal to work around Gloria's limitations, Brendan's routines have been very uncompromising.I agree, but Gloria was voted out on Sat, despite dancing better than Fiona. Maybe Brendan just wants to stay in the show as long as possible, if so, he is suceeding. Gloria has left the competition feeling she has achieved something and has enjoyed the experience, I doubt if Fiona will have the same feelings on leaving.

David Franklin
31st-October-2005, 01:13 PM
I agree, but Gloria was voted out on Sat, despite dancing better than Fiona. Maybe Brendan just wants to stay in the show as long as possible, if so, he is suceeding.Actually, I'm wondering if the judges want Fiona to stay in! After the Chris Parker debacle, you'd think they'd have learned - if someone turns in a diabolical performance, be as kind and encouraging as possible, and give them as generous marks as possible while still putting them last. Then everyone feels "she's trying, bless her, and the judges are being sympathetic, but she really deserves to go". It's the laying into her and giving her 1's that is getting her the sympathy vote.


Gloria has left the competition feeling she has achieved something and has enjoyed the experience, I doubt if Fiona will have the same feelings on leaving.I think Fiona's already in the "Forget it. It never happened. What dancing competition?" frame of mind...

Lynn
31st-October-2005, 01:27 PM
Then everyone feels "she's trying, bless her, and the judges are being sympathetic, but she really deserves to go". I think that may have been what happened with Gloria this week. I definitely think that being hard on Fiona plays a part in keeping her in the competition. That and Brendan's fan base.

Every year there seems to be one celeb who doesn't dance that well but who stays in because of the sympathy vote, which the judges encourage. Fine in the first few weeks, but it does start to get annoying when much better celebs are voted out.

Jive Brummie
31st-October-2005, 01:53 PM
Every year there seems to be one celeb who doesn't dance that well but who stays in because of the sympathy vote, which the judges encourage. Fine in the first few weeks, but it does start to get annoying when much better celebs are voted out.

:yeah:

ElaineB
31st-October-2005, 02:42 PM
In fact, if Brendan was a Cerocer, he'd be a prime candidate for a "hotshot" badge... :devil:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Elaine

bigdjiver
31st-October-2005, 03:21 PM
I suspect that Fiona's problem is more about the personality clash with Brendan. To me there appeared to be little glimpses of her moving to the music when she forgot her attitude for a few seconds. I think that if she was dancing to enjoy herself we would see a vastly different Fiona.

Lory
31st-October-2005, 03:55 PM
Looked really hard, but couldn't see you in the audience :sad:


Actually, I'm on quite a lot :blush: :blush: I'm between the heads of the judges, as they dish out their comments.

David Bailey
31st-October-2005, 04:08 PM
Actually, I'm on quite a lot :blush: :blush: I'm between the heads of the judges, as they dish out their comments.
I'll have to look again!

I just saw James and Camilla practising in my local gym - only for 1 second, I didn't dare stand and gawp, much though I wanted to. Blimey, you're right Lory, he is a big lad isn't he?

Bex
31st-October-2005, 04:50 PM
I suspect that Fiona's problem is more about the personality clash with Brendan. To me there appeared to be little glimpses of her moving to the music when she forgot her attitude for a few seconds. I think that if she was dancing to enjoy herself we would see a vastly different Fiona.

I'm not sure its a personality clash, Brendon's in the competition to win and she's not, plain and simple.

When Fiona was dancing, half the time she was laughing to herself because she knew she was getting this wrong and looked slightly embarrassed by the fact that Brendon was dancing rings round her (I've danced with a few people in the past where I've felt I really didn't do them justice and was embarrassed on how crap I was :blush: ), I could see a bit of that on Saturday night. I watched most of her dance through my fingers covering my eyes and cringing. It's a shame because she seems such a lovely person, I wish she was doing better.

If you look back at her interviews afterwards, I don't honestly think she wants to be back next week.

I thought Darren and Patsy were the stars of Saturday night, but my favs keep changing each week. Hope I get home on time Saturday night to catch the show, I'm hooked!

Baruch
1st-November-2005, 01:01 AM
I agree with their placings, but the judges can be rather extreme in their comments.
:yeah: It seems to me that they forget who they're dealing with. Yes, they're in a competition, but the celeb contestants are not professional dancers and it's unfair to judge them as such.

There's also the appalling negativity of Arlene and Craig in particular. Len and Bruno say what they mean as well, but generally in a more constructive manner. That, for me, makes a big difference. What is this fascination TV producers have with negative, destructive, rude judges?

(I'd love to see Arlene pull that cactus out of her backside and actually smile for once!)

Lory
1st-November-2005, 07:21 AM
For anyone that knows Franco from Hipsters, do you think Bruno sounds exactly like him?

IMO it's uncanny! :what: :rofl:

senorita
1st-November-2005, 12:27 PM
For anyone that knows Franco from Hipsters, do you think Bruno sounds exactly like him?

IMO it's uncanny! :what: :rofl:

YES!!! for sure! :)

Franco is undercover..or is it Bruno is undercover :what:

Trish
1st-November-2005, 12:32 PM
I agree with their placings, but the judges can be rather extreme in their comments. Someone, who has watched and enjoyed the programme in the past, told me yesterday that they won't be bothering to watch again as they are so fed up with the judges being what comes across as hyper critical. Yes we can see the mistakes that the celebs are making and can understand why the judges say most of the things they do, but they are clearly putting some of the general public off - who probably identify with the celebs attempts at dancing. And of course the judges being very hard on celebs will increase their sympathy vote. I think Fiona may well have been out of the series by this stage (week 3) if the judges hadn't been so harsh in their comments.

Yes, that is true, well of Arlene and Craig at least. Craig fractionally less critical Saturday I thought, but Arlene was even worse to make up for it. Generally Len and Bruno are a bit kinder. I agree with you about Fiona possibly being out by now without the sympathy vote, as I said previously.

[edit] Baruch just said this - sorry should have read the rest of the thread!

Yogi_Bear
1st-November-2005, 09:39 PM
I only saw the highlights of this Saturday's episode - but why are we getting ballroom tango? I thought we were getting the real thing (Argentinian). The notes on the dance styles from the SCD website are really good on Argentinian Tango - I was misled, apparently :sad:

David Bailey
1st-November-2005, 10:49 PM
I only saw the highlights of this Saturday's episode - but why are we getting ballroom tango? I thought we were getting the real thing (Argentinian). The notes on the dance styles from the SCD website are really good on Argentinian Tango - I was misled, apparently :sad:
We're getting Argentinian Tango later on apparently - strange, but I don't know enough about the differences to comment.

I guess you could argue that salsa, cha-cha and rumba are related, as are foxtrot / quickstep AFAIK, so it's not unreasonable to have two flavours of tango - who knows, it's a mystery.

Hmmm, just had a thought. Will the professionals be experts at salsa / AT / jitterbug? No reason there should be, is there?

I loved tonight's It Takes Two, Len was on cracking form as always. Although I've got a scary idea that Brendan and Fiona are now officially the Nation's Favourites :eek: - I guess there really is no such thing as bad publicity.

jivecat
2nd-November-2005, 01:16 AM
I suspect that Fiona's problem is more about the personality clash with Brendan. To me there appeared to be little glimpses of her moving to the music when she forgot her attitude for a few seconds. I think that if she was dancing to enjoy herself we would see a vastly different Fiona.

I felt less sympathetic to Fiona this week. Her whingy attitude is beginning to annoy me now, although at first it seemed a reasonable response to cope with the criticism she was getting. It must be even worse for Brendan who has to get her motivated, listen to the whining and make her focus. There's something really limp about all of her body language that I think would take huge amounts of training and motivation to put right.

Even so, I think it was right that Gloria went last week - I thought she was worse than Fiona though everyone has been more respectful of her because she is much older and it would be even harder for her to correct her shortcomings as a dancer. All the stuff about how sexy it was to see an older woman dancing with a younger man failed to sound very convincing to me. Although Darren commendably took great care of her there was no chemistry and he always looked like a beautiful young man dancing with his grandma. She would have looked better if she had been paired with a more mature man, maybe only 20 years younger than her rather than 35!:devil:

The judges mostly talk a load of b*ll*cks because that's what makes good television. I don't think fairness, tact and reason have much to do with it. We'd soon get bored with that!

Baruch
2nd-November-2005, 01:22 AM
The judges mostly talk a load of b*ll*cks because that's what makes good television. I don't think fairness, tact and reason have much to do with it. We'd soon get bored with that!
Yeah, and then we'd have to concentrate on the dancing instead! (Hang on - that's actually a good thing! Doubt it would sell though :sick: )

latinlover
2nd-November-2005, 09:38 AM
[QUOTE=jivecat]I felt less sympathetic to Fiona this week. ............
It must be even worse for Brendan who has to get her motivated, listen to the whining and make her focus. .................................................. ...

Even so, I think it was right that Gloria went last week - I thought she was worse than Fiona though everyone has been more respectful of her because she is much older and it would be even harder for her to correct her shortcomings as a dancer. All the stuff about how sexy it was to see an older woman dancing with a younger man failed to sound very convincing to me. Although Darren commendably took great care of her there was no chemistry and he always looked like a beautiful young man dancing with his grandma. She would have looked better if she had been paired with a more mature man, maybe only 20 years younger than her rather than 35!:devil: QUOTE]



:yeah:

I totally agree

My vote is now going to Darren Gough:clap:


I LOVE the fact that he is a totally unreconstructed non pc macho sportsman, who is getting high on the dancing and giving it all he's got, and doing really well- he is clearly leading his partner.
I think he is bringing ballroom dancing some real credibility with lads who probably would have taken the p*** before :clap:

But all the guys are real contenders this season, :cheers: and about time!

Trish
2nd-November-2005, 12:22 PM
We're getting Argentinian Tango later on apparently - strange, but I don't know enough about the differences to comment.

I guess you could argue that salsa, cha-cha and rumba are related, as are foxtrot / quickstep AFAIK, so it's not unreasonable to have two flavours of tango - who knows, it's a mystery.

Hmmm, just had a thought. Will the professionals be experts at salsa / AT / jitterbug? No reason there should be, is there?

I loved tonight's It Takes Two, Len was on cracking form as always. Although I've got a scary idea that Brendan and Fiona are now officially the Nation's Favourites :eek: - I guess there really is no such thing as bad publicity.

Yes, I love Len's little explanations too - although not being a ballroom expert in any way, I don't really know what he was talking about exactly when he was going on about "little knobs" - I presume he was talking about your hip bones, but who knows? It made me laugh anyway :rofl:

Don't know whether they're experts at AT and Lindy, but then again, as Patsy said, apart from Len are the rest of them experts at Ballroom? I guess if you've danced a long time and a lot of different types of dancing it's not impossible to swat up on what makes a particular dance what it is (well to a high enough standard for watching amateurs anyway). And some things (eg hold, good line etc) will be similar for lots of the dances.

I'm hoping that Fiona and Brendon won't come last this week (they seemed a bit happier anyway), the judges will praise their efforts, and that the public will therefore give their sympathy vote to someone else! I just don't want to see Fiona in the semis, let alone the final :tears: !

Yogi_Bear
2nd-November-2005, 01:01 PM
Don't know whether they're experts at AT and Lindy, but then again, as Patsy said, apart from Len are the rest of them experts at Ballroom?

They won't be experts at Argentine tango or Lindy Hop. If they were then they would already be well known as such to the AT and LH dance communities. What they are extremely good at is the majority of ballrooom and Latin dances featured on the programme. AT and LH are not ballroom dances. :nice:

David Bailey
2nd-November-2005, 01:18 PM
They won't be experts at Argentine tango or Lindy Hop. If they were then they would already be well known as such to the AT and LH dance communities. What they are extremely good at is the majority of ballrooom and Latin dances featured on the programme. AT and LH are not ballroom dances. :nice:
That's pretty much what I thought.

So what I'm getting at, is how are the couples going to learn these dances? Are the professional and the celeb both going to learn at the same time or what?

Yogi_Bear
2nd-November-2005, 02:16 PM
That's pretty much what I thought.

So what I'm getting at, is how are the couples going to learn these dances? Are the professional and the celeb both going to learn at the same time or what?
talking off the top of my head here, but don't they have experts in to help wit the teaching? I think in Strictly dance Fever, for instance, they had Ryan Francois and Jenny to teach Lindy (definitely TOP experts :worthy: ). Though the pros may be quite good in AT/Lindy (or equally likely they may never have danced either before) I would have thought some expert guidance or mentoring would be essential for pros and celebs alike.

Trish
2nd-November-2005, 02:21 PM
That's pretty much what I thought.

So what I'm getting at, is how are the couples going to learn these dances? Are the professional and the celeb both going to learn at the same time or what?

Yes, I guess they'd have to - that'll be interesting! Although I got the impression (certainly in the first series anyway), that some of the professionals were experts at say Latin and hadn't done ballroom since they were tiny (or vice versa), and they still looked good (well to my un-expert eye anyway). I'm sure they'd pick it up pretty quick to a reasonable standard and anything really complicated would be beyond the celebrity dancers you'd presume. Also they might possibly have been warned in advance and have done at least some lessons before the programme. It'll presumably only be the last few who do these dances anyway - just hope Fiona's out by then!

Just thinking - if they're doing Lindy are they allowed to change the "no lifts" rule? The couples on SDF were told of for not doing enough lifts in Lindyhop if I remember rightly!

Yogi_Bear
2nd-November-2005, 02:26 PM
Yes, I guess they'd have to - that'll be interesting! Although I got the impression (certainly in the first series anyway), that some of the professionals were experts at say Latin and hadn't done ballroom since they were tiny (or vice versa), and they still looked good (well to my un-expert eye anyway). I'm sure they'd pick it up pretty quick to a reasonable standard and anything really complicated would be beyond the celebrity dancers you'd presume. Also they might possibly have been warned in advance and have done at least some lessons before the programme. It'll presumably only be the last few who do these dances anyway - just hope Fiona's out by then!

Just thinking - if they're doing Lindy are they allowed to change the "no lifts" rule? The couples on SDF were told of for not doing enough lifts in Lindyhop if I remember rightly!
it would certainly be good if they were allowed to do some aerials, as that's very much in the exuberant nature of the dance. But also I think where the pros would need guidance is in the posture - the exact opposite of ballroom style, if they go for authenticity...
At the end of the day the pros will pick anything up quickly enough to do a reasonable job, and the judges aren't expert in everything, either

David Bailey
2nd-November-2005, 02:35 PM
talking off the top of my head here, but don't they have experts in to help wit the teaching?
No, I don't think so - yes, they did in SDF, but this is different, the Pros are presumed to be competent teachers (in the case of Brendan, that presumption may be a bit optimistic; with Anton, that's spot-on).

Certainly, all the practising I've seen is done with just the two of them (OK, and the camera crew, but you know what I mean).


I'm sure they'd pick it up pretty quick to a reasonable standard and anything really complicated would be beyond the celebrity dancers you'd presume.
I'm thinking more of style than complex moves - learning the distinct style of Cuban salsa would be interesting, for example.

Yogi_Bear
2nd-November-2005, 02:41 PM
No, I don't think so - yes, they did in SDF, but this is different, the Pros are presumed to be competent teachers (in the case of Brendan, that presumption may be a bit optimistic; with Anton, that's spot-on).

Certainly, all the practising I've seen is done with just the two of them (OK, and the camera crew, but you know what I mean).


I'm thinking more of style than complex moves - learning the distinct style of Cuban salsa would be interesting, for example.
Well, I would be very interested to see what they come up with if the pros are having the benefit of no specialist input whatever into any of the dances, thinking here of AT and LH.....:whistle:

Gojive
2nd-November-2005, 06:08 PM
Yes, I love Len's little explanations too - although not being a ballroom expert in any way, I don't really know what he was talking about exactly when he was going on about "little knobs" - I presume he was talking about your hip bones, but who knows? It made me laugh anyway :rofl:


:yeah: :yeah:

Quote of the week so far, must be Claudia when Len was demonstrating the contact required, and told her to put her little knobs against his..."Taxi!" she sqeeked! :rofl: :rofl:

I've always been an avid fan of the daily roundup shows during SCD, but IMO the show is now better and funnier than ever :clap: (and to think I had misgivings about CW presenting it :blush: ).

Lynn
2nd-November-2005, 08:59 PM
I've always been an avid fan of the daily roundup shows during SCD, but IMO the show is now better and funnier than ever :clap: (and to think I had misgivings about CW presenting it :blush: ).:yeah: I also wasn't keen on Claudia at the start, but then maybe she has settled into it, she is excellent at setting the relaxed, bantering tone that makes it so entertaining.

Interesting that Bill was observing that poor comments from the judges would give them more viewer votes.

I think the celebs are bringing a great variety of approaches and attitudes into it this time, which in turn will make dance appeal to a wider audience! :clap:

Gojive
3rd-November-2005, 10:37 PM
Week four is already upon us :eek: - here's the schedule for the next 7 days...



ITT - BBC2, Fri 4th 18:30 - 19:00
SCD - BBC1, Sat 5th 18:20 - 19:35
Results - BBC1, Sat 5th 21:10 - 21:40
ITT - BBC2, Mon 7th 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - BBC2, Tue 8th 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - BBC2, Wed 9th 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - BBC2, Thu 10th 18:30 - 19:00


Dances this week, are the Paso Doble and the Foxtrot

My guess at who will be departing.....Fiona - She just looked so awful in training on tonight's ITT :sad:

Enjoy! :waycool:

Minnie M
4th-November-2005, 12:58 AM
Week four is already upon us :eek: - here's the schedule for the next 7 days...



ITT - BBC2, Fri 4th 18:30 - 19:00
SCD - BBC1, Sat 5th 18:20 - 19:35
Results - BBC1, Sat 5th 21:10 - 21:40
ITT - BBC2, Mon 7th 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - BBC2, Tue 8th 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - BBC2, Wed 9th 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - BBC2, Thu 10th 18:30 - 19:00


Dances this week, are the Paso Doble and the Foxtrot

My guess at who will be departing.....Fiona - She just looked so awful in training on tonight's ITT :sad:

Enjoy! :waycool:
Fiona :clap: she MUST stay in - we need the entertainment factor, till at least the final four :flower:
:confused: you said ITT weekdays are 19:00 last week too :confused: but down here they are on at 18:30 weekdays - lucky I didn't use your times would have missed them :whistle:

Gojive
4th-November-2005, 01:23 AM
Fiona :clap: she MUST stay in - we need the entertainment factor, till at least the final four :flower:
:confused: you said ITT weekdays are 19:00 last week too :confused: but down here they are on at 18:30 weekdays - lucky I didn't use your times would have missed them :whistle:

Sorry Minnie, I'm not with you :confused: . I have the times as 18:30 - 19:00 :confused:

Minnie M
4th-November-2005, 01:29 AM
Sorry Minnie, I'm not with you :confused: . I have the times as 18:30 - 19:00 :confused:
woops :whistle: getting late, past my bedtime - or it could have been the last dance I had with Andy McGregor at his Rocsters class tonight :rolleyes:

It might be because they are different in Scotland, so I found out last week :tears:

Still think we should keep Fiona :clap:

David Bailey
4th-November-2005, 08:59 AM
Still think we should keep Fiona :clap:
I don't, but I suspect she'll coast through for at least another couple of weeks on all the publicity.

I reckon this week it'll be one of the men out - either Bill or Dennis.

The other three are pretty good however, I think Colin, Darren and James are all in with a shot.

Chef
4th-November-2005, 10:45 AM
:yeah: I also wasn't keen on Claudia at the start, but then maybe she has settled into it, she is excellent at setting the relaxed, bantering tone that makes it so entertaining.


I am really pleased that Claudia is back on the SCD fanzine show. After the excruciating expereince of Justin Lee Collins presenting the show for series one we were a bit down hearted for the following series.

When Claudia came on for a subsequent series we thought the show (on BBC3) was worth it for her alone and that all the rest was a magnificent bonus.

Personally I would like her to replace Brucie for the main show. Brucies inability to shut up and let the dancers or judges speak as well as his ancient and corny jokes drives me nuts.

Lynn
4th-November-2005, 11:09 AM
I am really pleased that Claudia is back on the SCD fanzine show. After the excruciating expereince of Justin Lee Collins presenting the show for series one we were a bit down hearted for the following series.

When Claudia came on for a subsequent series we thought the show (on BBC3) was worth it for her alone and that all the rest was a magnificent bonus. I didn't see the first series as it wasn't on BBC 1 or 2, and the first couple of programmes for ITT last series when it moved to BBC2, I thought she was trying too hard and would become irritating. But I now think she is doing a fab job and is very entertaining.

I was glad to see Fiona was feeling more positive about this week, but it was interesting that even Craig was saying she needed simpler routines. From what I can see Brendan is doing a lot of the same moves he has done in the past 2 series and its not working with her.

Chef
4th-November-2005, 11:34 AM
I was glad to see Fiona was feeling more positive about this week, but it was interesting that even Craig was saying she needed simpler routines. From what I can see Brendan is doing a lot of the same moves he has done in the past 2 series and its not working with her.

I am not sure that Brendan will find it possible to do a routine that would be simple enough for her. From what I saw last night with Brendon trying to lead her through steps she has no inner body tension and was like a floppy doll. That is incredibly hard to lead. When you try to move one part of a partner and not all of them moves at once then there is only so much you cn do with a partner. Unless the routine that Brendon comes up with has enough actual content then they just won't be competative with the other couples. Brendon could teach her just one step and in a week she could get to do it really well but if they do that one step for 90 seconds on the show then they will probably deserve bottom place again.

I just feel sorry for the couples that do much better and still get voted off.

Lynn
4th-November-2005, 11:56 AM
I am not sure that Brendan will find it possible to do a routine that would be simple enough for her. From what I saw last night with Brendon trying to lead her through steps she has no inner body tension and was like a floppy doll. True, he may have already thought through all of that. I noticed that in last nights clips as well. Its as though she hasn't grasped the very basics of dance, and therefore there is nothing for her to build on.

Trish
4th-November-2005, 12:00 PM
it would certainly be good if they were allowed to do some aerials, as that's very much in the exuberant nature of the dance. But also I think where the pros would need guidance is in the posture - the exact opposite of ballroom style, if they go for authenticity...
At the end of the day the pros will pick anything up quickly enough to do a reasonable job, and the judges aren't expert in everything, either

:yeah: aerials would be good :clap:
Yes, I'm sure that's the case, the posture/style would be the hard bit. I think they'll need a bit of expert tuition for this if it's not something they've done before. After all in previous series several of the Latin experts drafted in Anton Du Beke to help with ballroom for example, so why not?



I also wasn't keen on Claudia at the start, but then maybe she has settled into it, she is excellent at setting the relaxed, bantering tone that makes it so entertaining.

:yeah: :clap:


Fiona she MUST stay in - we need the entertainment factor, till at least the final four

Sorry Minnie - can't agree with you there, she's not entertaining me! Although I think she may stick around at least until the judges are kinder to her, I for one would be very pleased to see the back of her. I agree with Craig, that Bredon needs to put a broom handle up her spine!

I'm looking forward to Darren's pasodoble on Saturday, and Zoe's foxtrot, they look to be the most interesting from the BBC2 training clips. David James could be right I think, either Dennis or Bill may well go out Saturday (or perhaps Will?)

Lynn
5th-November-2005, 07:22 PM
Starting now!

Tiggerbabe
5th-November-2005, 08:42 PM
Go, Darren Gough! I thought he was fantastic, totally caught up in the dance. A fantastic advert for all dancing :clap:

Minnie M
5th-November-2005, 08:48 PM
Go, Darren Gough! I thought he was fantastic, totally caught up in the dance. A fantastic advert for all dancing :clap:
:yeah: :drool: :worthy:
I loved Zoe & Patsy too :yeah:

Then I turned over and saw Maria on the X-Factor - wow !!!! that lady is amazing :worthy: :clap: :worthy:

Off to Woking now totalling inspired :yeah:

Chicklet
5th-November-2005, 08:56 PM
Go, Darren Gough! I thought he was fantastic, totally caught up in the dance. A fantastic advert for all dancing :clap:
I guess those of us who aren't really into cricket forget the control it takes to be a fast bowler, this guy has spent the last 20 years running 20 yards, at not insignificant speed then turning side on for the last 3 steps, while doing something completely different with his hands and arms, holding the thing on a very narrow line and then not falling over at the end....there is a kindof parallel there and he's using those skills to music now.:clap:

Suppose also, and we girls do admit this in private if not always in public :innocent: :blush:, there is something extra special about a BIG strong boy when he can lead....and she showed today how much confidence she has in his abilities on that level, she's quite happy to er, let him chuck her about a bit :drool:

(NB. agree totally with the No Means No thread, this is choreographed, much practised stuff and there's no comparison with that topic, and no double standard)

David Bailey
5th-November-2005, 09:14 PM
Oh, it was just great tonight, wasn't it?

There's 4 or 5 couples who are in the top now - including Will, which I'm very happy about - so it's so wide open now, it's a real competition.

And there are the 3 deadbeats, who are hanging on by their fingertips:
- I imagine Fiona and Brendan will still get the publicity vote - but I won't get really annoyed by that until they unjustly chuck a good couple out.
- Dennis looks like he's got the Mark Of Death on him at the moment, but we'll see.
- Bill, I didn't think much of, but he may scrape through.

One hour to the results... Hmmm, do I stay in, do I go to Finchley, toughie...

Lynn
5th-November-2005, 09:26 PM
I agree DJ that it seems to be dividing up into two levels and I like the fact that different people are doing well, there is no 'obvious' winner.

Highlights from tonight for me - Darren - he is such a great advert for dancing - he has really got hooked and his enjoyment of it shines through. Likewise with Patsy - she was clearly on such a high (mind you, I think I would feel pretty good if I had just been whisked round the floor by Anton!) and she actually was telling people to try dancing. And Will's face when they got their marks. Even Fiona seemed encouraged - I got the impression Brendan has been really building her up this week.

I was a bit disappointed with Colin, but I still think he's :drool:

I'm not sure I liked the 'alternative' music for the Paso Doble. It could be that its probably the dance I am least familiar with, but to me for that dance at least, the music is an integral part and the style should in some way fit with the story they were telling of the bull fight. It didn't stop me from enjoying the performances though.

Lynn
5th-November-2005, 11:05 PM
As we all thought, as soon as the judges eased up a little bit on criticising Fiona, she got less viewer votes. Normally they were bottom with the judges, but not even in the last 2, this time they were second lowest with the judges, but were out. I think some of their sympathy votes went to Dennis and Bill.

I did think it was good for Fiona to have got to the stage of seeing some progress and feeling better about dancing, and I'm sure she doesn't mind going at this stage, but I think Brendan was pretty disappointed (I noticed Camilla was one of the first to go over and give him a kiss and hug of consolation at the end.)

I also noticed tonight about the singer not being live. I'm sure its been mentioned before, I hadn't really thought about it. I just noticed when I realised that Camilla couldn't have changed that quickly! I really liked her dance with Ian, the fast and slow movements, so controlled and graceful :worthy: .

foxylady
5th-November-2005, 11:58 PM
One hour to the results... Hmmm, do I stay in, do I go to Finchley, toughie...

I stayed in ! I do love watching the results shows with the professional dancers showcase bit (samba tonight), and then the song with a dance (Camilla and Ian doing a rhumba to Katie Melhua...)...

[thread hijack] Did I miss much at Finchely?

David Bailey
6th-November-2005, 10:43 AM
I stayed in ! I do love watching the results shows with the professional dancers showcase bit (samba tonight), and then the song with a dance (Camilla and Ian doing a rhumba to Katie Melhua...)...
I videoed it and watched it just now.

I have to say, I was amazed Fiona and Brendan went out - I was sure Dennis and Izabella were for the chop. Certainly he looked awful in that dance routine.

And, what, they are doing the Viennese Waltz now? I'm sure that wasn't in the programme - it's certainly not listed in the BBC's learn-to-dance list (http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/learning/dances_index.shtml).

Does this mean Arg Tango / Jitterbug / Salsa will be dropped?


[thread hijack] Did I miss much at Finchely?
It was a good night. Robin was well on form with the music, and the place was buzzing I thought. And we had a visiting Scotswoman, who was a pleasure to dance with.

Tiggerbabe
6th-November-2005, 10:57 AM
And we had a visiting Scotswoman, who was a pleasure to dance with.
I'd hazard a guess that the visiting Scotswoman, was actually Irish? :wink:

ducasi
6th-November-2005, 12:06 PM
I'd hazard a guess that the visiting Scotswoman, was actually Irish? :wink: Or maybe even Northern Irish? :wink:

Dan Hudson
6th-November-2005, 12:35 PM
Or maybe even Northern Irish? :wink:


And if its the same one I spent some time with yesterday..... she was hot:drool: :drool:

philsmove
6th-November-2005, 12:39 PM
Interestingly the phone lines for next week’s completion are open NOW

So the general public can vote, before they how seen the couples dance

doc martin
6th-November-2005, 01:45 PM
Go, Darren Gough! I thought he was fantastic, totally caught up in the dance. A fantastic advert for all dancing :clap:
Definitely my favourite this evening, and very encouraging for all us chaps who don't look like the professional leads, i.e. rakes with fancy hairstyles (no jealousy at all there :whistle: )

I guess those of us who aren't really into cricket forget the control it takes to be a fast bowler, this guy has spent the last 20 years running 20 yards, at not insignificant speed then turning side on for the last 3 steps, while doing something completely different with his hands and arms, holding the thing on a very narrow line and then not falling over at the end....there is a kindof parallel there and he's using those skills to music now.
I was saying something along those lines to Giddy Giraffe when the judges were saying how light he was on his feet last week.

Someone his size carries a lot of momentum when sprinting in to the crease. So if his footwork wasn't very well controlled he would end up making a very big dent in the wicket. And he clearly seems to have figured out how to generalise that footwork to other steps.

There were two things that really impressed me about his performance this week and one that impressed the judges that I was unsurprised about. The judges seemed impressed with (among other things) his (synthetic) passion.

Again, when you think of his cricketing role, one of the big strategies of a fast bowler is intimidation of the batsman, and with a dance like the paso doble the skill would seem to be directly transferable. I would have been very surprised if this hadn't been a strong aspect of his dance yesterday.

The things that really impressed me were his frame and the technicality of her choreography.

Suppose also, and we girls do admit this in private if not always in public , there is something extra special about a BIG strong boy when he can lead
I think that is partly because when someone as large as Darren has a good strong frame it both looks very impressive and gives the follower a real feeling of security. And I guess it shouldn't be surprising that he has that inner core to maintain the frame, but to me it didn't seem to waver last night; a real sign, to my mind, that he is really dancing.

...and she showed today how much confidence she has in his abilities on that level, she's quite happy to er, let him chuck her about a bit
:yeah: And the way he did the dips and that aerial at the end looked just so natural. The choreography just seemed to me to be on a higher level of difficulty than any of the other paso dobles.

It was a shame that Colin was on first and Darren last. No conspiracy theories, but it meant that I had forgotten much of how Colin danced by the time Darren appeared. But then after Darren's dance they showed quick sections of all the dances. I found it very interesting to contrast the smoothness (and wiggliness) of Colin with the solidity of Darren. Both good performances, but very different interpretations of the style.

I'm not sure I liked the 'alternative' music for the Paso Doble.
:yeah: I would go a bit further; I hated Thriller being used, it just had the wrong feel and put me off of the dancing. The others weren't much better. You would think that if you were trying to get a novice into the right mood for a particular dance that you would use the music that inspired the dance, the music that has the feel of the movements built into it. Thriller does not say machismo to me. I just see pretty boy Michael Jackson walking down the street backwards in front of a girl and trying to be cute.

Oh, it was just great tonight, wasn't it?

There's 4 or 5 couples who are in the top now - including Will, which I'm very happy about - so it's so wide open now, it's a real competition.
Definitely the best week of any of the series so far IMHO.

I would say 6 couples now. Were you excluding James Martin? To me he seems to be improving very rapidly in the same way as Darren Gough, and only a little way behind. I think if he hadn't had that back injury this week, which made him look a little stiff and messed up one of the highlight moments of their routine, the spin to kneel, he would have been pushing Darren harder.

I think next week we will be seeing the first male celebrity leaving. My money is on Dennis "I can't stand up straight because I spent so many years bent over a snooker table" Taylor. But then again I'm not a betting man, mainly because I know that I am usually wrong:rofl: .

I would hate to see anyone but Dennis or Bill leave as I am enjoying the dancing from all the others so much. The competition is going to get intense at a much earlier stage this year than before. Great for the programme, but tough on some of the couples that are working very hard and improving so fast.

I have two complaints about the programming though. One is that, on dance night, there is not the filler program between the dancing and voting that we had during SDF and the second is that, here in Scotland, on Thursdays they show gaelic language programs insted of ITT. Sacrilege.:mad: I guess some people will always find something to moan about :whistle:

robd
6th-November-2005, 03:06 PM
I would go a bit further; I hated Thriller being used, it just had the wrong feel and put me off of the dancing.

Agree, it sounded wrong for the PD but that was also because of the awful voice of the singer covering it as much as anything.

Jacko's version was played at class last Monday (unsurprisingly!) and I loved it. Still remember the excitement of seeing the preview of the horrific :whistle: promo video for it on Channel 4 way back in the day.

Robert

David Bailey
6th-November-2005, 03:56 PM
It was a shame that Colin was on first and Darren last. No conspiracy theories, but it meant that I had forgotten much of how Colin danced by the time Darren appeared.
I agree - I'm still a Colin fan, and I think he was underrated by the judges - he really had the look down pat last night, much more so than last week, but because he's a more slight build, he couldn't go so much for brute dominance and had to rely on skill instead.

As for the music, I'm not sure how it gets chosen - but in the SDF, for example, I know the music was chosen for the competitors rather than by them. Certainly there's a lot of "appealing to the masses" by playing familiar music. But let's face it, anyone doing MJ is hardly in a position to criticise the use of popular music to bring in the punters...


I would say 6 couples now. Were you excluding James Martin?
The other possibility is that I can't count :blush:

As for the injuries - it shows how close the competition is at the top, that any of them can have a good week and come top, or a bad week and come 6th - it's that close.


I think next week we will be seeing the first male celebrity leaving. My money is on Dennis "I can't stand up straight because I spent so many years bent over a snooker table" Taylor. But then again I'm not a betting man, mainly because I know that I am usually wrong:rofl: .
That'd also be my bet - Dennis and Bill are clearly by far the worst.

But if anyone had said at the start that all six male celebs would be in for the 5th week, I'd have been amazed. Six out of the eight finalist celebs are men! If a man doesn't win this one, he may never do,


here in Scotland, on Thursdays they show gaelic language programs insted of ITT. Sacrilege.:mad:
If you've got digital (e.g. Sky), you could probably still watch it - dunno about Freeview, probably not...

My complaint about timings is that they vary the Saturday times each week - yesterday it started earlier, and there was over an hour gap between competition and finals, whereas last week it was onl;y a half-hour. I wish the Beeb would be consistent as to whether they wanted Casualty shown there or not...

But hey, 2 hours+ of primtetime viewing devoted to partner dancing, could be worse...

ElaineB
6th-November-2005, 05:05 PM
I was there last night and really enjoyed the dancing!:clap: :clap: :clap:

The thing that doesn't come across when you don't see it live is the passion of the competitors. Darren Gough and Lillia were absolutely amazing - the hair on the back of my neck stood up! :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: Lillia danced as though her partner was a professional, she was so confident in him - his footwork was excellent. They were a real partnership and so intense! Had we been allowed to stand up, they would have received a standing ovation! :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

Ian is just delicious and he and Zoe deserved their marks, although I think the comment about having a baby together with perhaps a little OTT! :rofl:

I think Fiona must have had about 100 backers in the audience - I couldn't believe the adulation for her when she and Brendon walked onto the set. She started off very well and I really hoped that she would put on a good performance, but it was not to be and that silly look on her face took over as her legs started to experience a life of their own. I nearly cheered when they announced she was the one to go out! I don't know if they showed it on the television, but Brendon was furious that they were out. He didn't look once at Fiona in their final dance and then walked away from her. He was desperate to leave, but did manage to go back to her and give her a hug. He certainly has personality 'issues' and I hope that for the sake of the celebrities, that they leave him out of the next series.

Dennis Taylor and Bill Turnbill should really have received similar marks - they both tried, but are not to the standard of the other celebrities. Dennis Taylor came across as the better dancer, so I was very suprised by the Judges comments and marks.

Will and Hannah were also very good and deserved better marks than Anton and Patsy, who looked a little tame.

Colin and Erin didn't appear terribly well connected, but he really tried his best and James and Camilla were dramatic and very enjoyable to watch!!

The highlight of the evening though has to be the professionals. We watched the rehearsal for the results program, so got to see Ian and Camilla dancing the Rumba during Katie Mellua's number and the Samba - twice!!! I was looking down from the gallery and the speed of the spins at the end of the samba was amazing - how did this come across on the telly?

Bruce Forsyth was brilliant! I didn't like him very much in his earlier career, but I was so impressed by him last night. He was very relaxed and professional and had us in stiches when he was off camera as well. He also entertained us by singing with the band.

Now for the downside!!!!!! :angry: The studio probably holds about 500 in the audience. As you know the BBC issue far more tickets than seats, but I was told by them that at least 400 would get in, with the other seats going to family and supporters of the dancers/celebs - fair enough! Queing did start around mid-day and we arrived at just gone 2.00pm and were about number 10 to 15 in the queue. At 4.30pm, (only about 250 in the queue!) the doors were opened , BUT only 120 got in to the studio and then we were given seats right at the back of the top gallery or right at the back on the ground floor. One couple were stuck behind a pillar with curtains and couldn't see a thing. I found out that the seats in the gallery in front of us were reserved for 'production staff'. One of these was a cook from the BBC, with no connection to the progam, who had a guaranteed seat and didn't have to queue as the rest of us did. In addition to this, no account seemed to be taken that the early birds perhaps deserved better seating - we were just stuffed in wherever. My friends who had been there from 12 noon probably had one of the worst views, whereas the BBC managed to put late comers into two prime seats that had become available downstairs! :angry: All of this was particullarly irksome, as we had been asked to wear ' ous gear' which we had to cart around since leaving Bristol or Cardiff - we may just as well have stayed in our jeans!

On balance though, it was worth the palava, just to see Ian and Camilla rumba and the professionals samba! :worthy:

Elaine

Jooles
6th-November-2005, 05:15 PM
I was there last night and really enjoyed the dancing!:clap: :clap: :clap:


Bruce Forsyth was brilliant! I didn't like him very much in his earlier career, but I was so impressed by him last night. He was very relaxed and professional and had us in stiches when he was off camera as well. He also entertained us by singing with the band.


Well I'm glad you thought he was a different person in the studio, but since he is paid to entertain the television audience, is 'in-studio' performance, doesn't really count.

Now for the downside!!!!!! :angry: The studio probably holds about 500 in the audience. As you know the BBC issue far more tickets than seats, but I was told by them that at least 400 would get in, with the other seats going to family and supporters of the dancers/celebs - fair enough! Queing did start around mid-day and we arrived at just gone 2.00pm and were about number 10 to 15 in the queue. At 4.30pm, (only about 250 in the queue!) the doors were opened , BUT only 120 got in to the studio and then we were given seats right at the back of the top gallery or right at the back on the ground floor. Elaine


Gosh - how annoying and the tickets must have cost you a fortune too!

Graham W
6th-November-2005, 05:36 PM
As we all thought, as soon as the judges eased up a little bit on criticising Fiona, she got less viewer votes. Normally they were bottom with the judges, but not even in the last 2, this time they were second lowest with the judges, but were out. I think some of their sympathy votes went to Dennis and Bill.

I did think it was good for Fiona to have got to the stage of seeing some progress and feeling better about dancing, and I'm sure she doesn't mind going at this stage, but I think Brendan was pretty disappointed (I noticed Camilla was one of the first to go over and give him a kiss and hug of consolation at the end.)

I also noticed tonight about the singer not being live. I'm sure its been mentioned before, I hadn't really thought about it. I just noticed when I realised that Camilla couldn't have changed that quickly! I really liked her dance with Ian, the fast and slow movements, so controlled and graceful :worthy: .


I hope Colin wins for being so rebellious - 'I'lll dance my way' & doing a spanish dance to Thriller! Craig was right - entertaining..

R U saying Fiona was a let down or let down by her brutish partner's teaching?

G

doc martin
6th-November-2005, 05:40 PM
I was there last night and really enjoyed the dancing!:clap: :clap: :clap:

The thing that doesn't come across when you don't see it live is the passion of the competitors. Darren Gough and Lillia were absolutely amazing - the hair on the back of my neck stood up! :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: Lillia danced as though her partner was a professional, she was so confident in him - his footwork was excellent. They were a real partnership and so intense! Had we been allowed to stand up, they would have received a standing ovation! :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:
That's great to hear as I always wonder how much influence the camera work has on my perception of the dance.

Ian is just delicious and he and Zoe deserved their marks, although I think the comment about having a baby together with perhaps a little OTT! :rofl:
So did her husband by the look on his face when they cut to him!

*snip*
Brendon was furious that they were out. He didn't look once at Fiona in their final dance and then walked away from her.
*snip*
That was definitely obvious on the TV. He looked like he was biting his tongue when Brucie interviewed them and clearly wouldn't meet her eye in the bit of the last dance that was shown before the credits. Do you think he tried to teach her the basics of posture and lead and follow? Or did he just try to teach her to get through a routine each week? I would feel a lot more sympathy for him if I knew he had tried to get the basics across and she was just unteachable, but that never seemed to come across in the training clips.

Dennis Taylor and Bill Turnbill should really have received similar marks - they both tried, but are not to the standard of the other celebrities. Dennis Taylor came across as the better dancer, so I was very suprised by the Judges comments and marks.
But that bit where he did a jump half turn looked like Baloo in the jungle book. You must have heard him landing from the gallery.

Will and Hannah were also very good and deserved better marks than Anton and Patsy, who looked a little tame.
I thought Will looked a lot better in a DJ than a vest (some of the ladies may disagree with me here :whistle: ). Smooth and sophisiticated seems much more his style than raunchy.

Colin and Erin didn't appear terribly well connected, but he really tried his best and James and Camilla were dramatic and very enjoyable to watch!!
I really hope that without distractions in the coming week we will see Colin improving as fast as he seems to be capable of. I would love to see a final between him and Darren (at the moment, my opinion is liable to change at any instant).
James' back looked like it was troubling him on the TV. Maybe the passion was anguish! I thought he did remarkably well considering his injury. I do think he could be in trouble if he has a bad week though. The East Enders fans will keep voting for Patsy whatever and the Casualty fans similarly for Will. But, even if all 30 fans of his cookery program vote, James might be struggling.

The highlight of the evening though has to be the professionals. We watched the rehearsal for the results program, so got to see Ian and Camilla dancing the Rumba during Katie Mellua's number and the Samba - twice!!! I was looking down from the gallery and the speed of the spins at the end of the samba was amazing - how did this come across on the telly?It was definitely the highlight of the dancing although for me it lacks the tension of watching the celebs. The speed and precision of movement was stunning. I would gladly have sacrificed all of Brucie's jokes for a few moments more of the Samba.

Bruce Forsyth was brilliant! I didn't like him very much in his earlier career, but I was so impressed by him last night. He was very relaxed and professional and had us in stiches when he was off camera as well. He also entertained us by singing with the band.
In fact, I would gladly have sacrificed all of Brucie's jokes for more of Fiona's dancing.

You must have great ecological credentials if you can be entertained by such well recycled puns :devil:

Now for the downside!!!!!! :angry:
*snip angry stuff*
You don't think the BBC is run for the benefit of the public do you? :rolleyes:

On balance though, it was worth the palava, just to see Ian and Camilla rumba and the professionals samba! :worthy:

Elaine
You haven't told us what you thought of the judging though :whistle:

Lynn
6th-November-2005, 06:43 PM
As for the music, I'm not sure how it gets chosen - but in the SDF, for example, I know the music was chosen for the competitors rather than by them. Certainly there's a lot of "appealing to the masses" by playing familiar music. I agree about doing that, it was just particularly with the paso doble, a more Spanish feel to the music would have fitted, for me anyway.
But if anyone had said at the start that all six male celebs would be in for the 5th week, I'd have been amazed. Six out of the eight finalist celebs are men! If a man doesn't win this one, he may never do. I realised when talking this over with a (non-dancing but SCD hooked) friend today. Its only female celebs that have gone out so far. Quite a change from previous years.
My complaint about timings is that they vary the Saturday times each week - yesterday it started earlier, and there was over an hour gap between competition and finals, whereas last week it was onl;y a half-hour. I wish the Beeb would be consistent as to whether they wanted Casualty shown there or not... I think last week Casulty wasn't on as there had been a whole week of 'Casulty at Holby' programmes. I see the start time has changed again for next Sat. Must remember to set the video.
I don't know if they showed it on the television, but Brendon was furious that they were out. He didn't look once at Fiona in their final dance and then walked away from her. You couldn't miss it. The camera was on them for a fair bit of their 'last dance' and it was so obvious that he wouldn't look at her. Clearly not a gracious loser and that annoyed me more about him than anything he has said or done to date.
The highlight of the evening though has to be the professionals. We watched the rehearsal for the results program, so got to see Ian and Camilla dancing the Rumba during Katie Mellua's number and the Samba - twice!!! I was looking down from the gallery and the speed of the spins at the end of the samba was amazing - how did this come across on the telly? Lucky you! The professionals bit was fab this week, both dances. But the rumba in the results show wasn't live was it? (If so, then Camilla must be able to do a Wonder Woman speed change of clothes!)

ElaineB
6th-November-2005, 08:10 PM
But the rumba in the results show wasn't live was it? (If so, then Camilla must be able to do a Wonder Woman speed change of clothes!)

No, the Rumba/Katie Melluah wasn't live. They shoot that bit between the main program and the results. They did two shoots - lucky us! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Elaine

ElaineB
6th-November-2005, 08:19 PM
But that bit where he did a jump half turn looked like Baloo in the jungle book. You must have heard him landing from the gallery.

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Nope!! Honestly, it looked better live and don't forget, I was watching from the side, so perhaps that is why it looked better to me.



The speed and precision of movement was stunning. I would gladly have sacrificed all of Brucie's jokes for a few moments more of the Samba.

In fact, I would gladly have sacrificed all of Brucie's jokes for more of Fiona's dancing.

You must have great ecological credentials if you can be entertained by such well recycled puns :devil:

:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I agree, Brucies puns were not good, but his wit off screen was quite entertaining.




You don't think the BBC is run for the benefit of the public do you? :rolleyes:

:

You mean it isn't? :eek: :D




You haven't told us what you thought of the judging though :whistle:

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Brilliant, excellent, spot on! :D

Joking aside, I thought they were mostly correct this week, although as I said, Bill Turnbill didn't really deserve any better comments or marks than Dennis Taylor.

I would love to see a final with Darren Gough and Zoe Ball in it, as for the third place, hmmmmmmmmmm, it will be a tough one!


Elaine

drathzel
7th-November-2005, 12:40 AM
It was a good night. Robin was well on form with the music, and the place was buzzing I thought. And we had a visiting Scotswoman, who was a pleasure to dance with.

Aw thanks ( your cheque is in the post!)


Or maybe even Northern Irish?

Spot on!!


And if its the same one I spent some time with yesterday..... she was hot

:blush: :blush: :blush: (not bad yourself!!!:D )

Baruch
7th-November-2005, 01:45 AM
I really hope that without distractions in the coming week we will see Colin improving as fast as he seems to be capable of.
I suppose that depends on how long his jury service lasts. It would be good to see him dance after a full week of rehearsals, which hasn't happened for the last two weeks.

jivecat
7th-November-2005, 11:28 AM
Ian is just delicious and he and Zoe deserved their marks, although I think the comment about having a baby together with perhaps a little OTT! :rofl:I thought it was unbelievably tactless - both her, him and her husband seemed to be squirming with embarrassment.


I don't know if they showed it on the television, but Brendon was furious that they were out. He didn't look once at Fiona in their final dance and then walked away from her. He was desperate to leave, but did manage to go back to her and give her a hug. He certainly has personality 'issues' and I hope that for the sake of the celebrities, that they leave him out of the next series.
It certainly did show. He looked tense and petulant and forced a quick, insincere smile when the result was announced. He tried to say something nice to Fiona during the obligatory post-result interview but it didn't come out well. I think he's the kind of man that HAS to be a winner, he has been unlucky in the pairings for the last two series. To be fair to him, I don't know if I would have the patience to deal with a dancer as weak as Fiona.

jivecat
7th-November-2005, 11:39 AM
Do you think he tried to teach her the basics of posture and lead and follow? Or did he just try to teach her to get through a routine each week? I would feel a lot more sympathy for him if I knew he had tried to get the basics across and she was just unteachable, but that never seemed to come across in the training clips.

I think she has no idea of how to use core muscles in her body to develop a dancer's posture. I don't know how you would begin to make her aware of them but I'm sure it would take longer than a few weeks of pressurised training. I don't think she'd be unteachable but I'm not sure how motivated she was, after all, it's only dancing. :confused: :really: Brendan was in the position of having to salvage his personal and professional pride by producing some sort of acceptable routine. I'm sure that Saturday's routine was just planned to get her through it with the least scope for disaster.

Some of the judges' most useful remarks related to the competitors' posture. Will be interesting to see if the broompole get utilised next week!

Trish
7th-November-2005, 11:58 AM
I agree DJ that it seems to be dividing up into two levels and I like the fact that different people are doing well, there is no 'obvious' winner.

Highlights from tonight for me - Darren - he is such a great advert for dancing - he has really got hooked and his enjoyment of it shines through. Likewise with Patsy - she was clearly on such a high (mind you, I think I would feel pretty good if I had just been whisked round the floor by Anton!) and she actually was telling people to try dancing. And Will's face when they got their marks. Even Fiona seemed encouraged - I got the impression Brendan has been really building her up this week.

I was a bit disappointed with Colin, but I still think he's :drool:

I'm not sure I liked the 'alternative' music for the Paso Doble. It could be that its probably the dance I am least familiar with, but to me for that dance at least, the music is an integral part and the style should in some way fit with the story they were telling of the bull fight. It didn't stop me from enjoying the performances though.

Pretty much exactly what I thought (especially the bit about being whisked about by Anton :drool: having tried the Foxtrot recently I bet this is lovely!)

I'm so glad Fiona went out this week :clap: - as I predicted on the week where the judges were kinder. I guess Dennis and Bill got the sympathy votes this time, although I think now Fiona's gone they've got less of a chance. The rest of the couples are really good to watch though, best series so far!

I didn't like Thriller or the football thing that Bill danced to being used for the Paso Doble - I thought what Camilla and Lilia chose were the best pieces of music for this - at least if the music's passionate the dancer is more likely to be able to interpret it that way.

Looking foward to the Samba next week, but did they say what the other dance was? Or are they all doing Samba? I tried a bit of this the other week and it had me in stiches :rofl: it's such a funny rhythm and I couldn't get the hang of it at all so the way the Pros danced it really amazed me!

David Bailey
7th-November-2005, 12:18 PM
I thought it was unbelievably tactless - both her, him and her husband seemed to be squirming with embarrassment.
God, wasn't it just? Bearing in mind Zoe's well-publicised form, and the whole media withc-hunt over romances and dance partners...


It certainly did show. He looked tense and petulant and forced a quick, insincere smile when the result was announced. He tried to say something nice to Fiona during the obligatory post-result interview but it didn't come out well. I think he's the kind of man that HAS to be a winner, he has been unlucky in the pairings for the last two series. To be fair to him, I don't know if I would have the patience to deal with a dancer as weak as Fiona.
The funny thing is, I really don't know whether she's any good or not. The first half of their routine was actually OK, she certainly looked like a dancer to me - but then she suddenly turned into a heap of spaghetti halfway through.the track. So it was debatable whether she could have made more progress with a simpler routine and a more patient and supportive teacher (e.g. Anton the Master).

And I wanted them to stay in - she was improving, and who knows, she could have improved much more.


Looking foward to the Samba next week, but did they say what the other dance was?
Bloody Viennese bloody Waltz. :sick:

Although I'd guess this will be done more as an "exhibition" dance with all of them, than as a set of solo dances, so hopefully we won't be subjected to more than a few minutes of it.

Also, I assume they're saving the crowd-pleaser street dances till the end, to boost the final ratings?

Lynn
7th-November-2005, 12:39 PM
Happened to see a brief bit of breakfast TV this morning - noticed Fiona saying gleefully how she will be able to start watching the X Factor again! :rofl:
What, she's not going to be glued to her screen for the rest of SCD? :whistle:

Trish
7th-November-2005, 12:59 PM
God, wasn't it just? Bearing in mind Zoe's well-publicised form, and the whole media withc-hunt over romances and dance partners...


The funny thing is, I really don't know whether she's any good or not. The first half of their routine was actually OK, she certainly looked like a dancer to me - but then she suddenly turned into a heap of spaghetti halfway through.the track. So it was debatable whether she could have made more progress with a simpler routine and a more patient and supportive teacher (e.g. Anton the Master).

And I wanted them to stay in - she was improving, and who knows, she could have improved much more.


Bloody Viennese bloody Waltz. :sick:

Although I'd guess this will be done more as an "exhibition" dance with all of them, than as a set of solo dances, so hopefully we won't be subjected to more than a few minutes of it.

Also, I assume they're saving the crowd-pleaser street dances till the end, to boost the final ratings?

With you on that one :tears: not exactly my favourite dance! I presume that does mean everyone's doing the samba then?

Looking forward to the street dances though :clap: . I just hope Dennis/Bill have gone out by then - can you imagine either of them trying to do lifts (if they're allowed) in Lindy :eek: ?!

Stuart
7th-November-2005, 05:01 PM
Fiona and Brendan are both supposedly on ITT tonight. That might be interesting.

jivecat
7th-November-2005, 06:13 PM
Was that paso doble tune they had to dance to, "Clementine"? It was dire, rubbish, cr*p. If they played it at a MJ night would you get up to dance? I wouldn't.

Herring boxes, without topses, dreadful sorry etc etc.

Yogi_Bear
7th-November-2005, 10:02 PM
Was that paso doble tune they had to dance to, "Clementine"? It was dire, rubbish, cr*p. If they played it at a MJ night would you get up to dance? I wouldn't.

Herring boxes, without topses, dreadful sorry etc etc.
Yes, dreadful. Hardly appropriate in any way - what were they thinking of? Come to think of it some of the other music choices were pretty poor, too..

jivecat
7th-November-2005, 11:51 PM
Fiona and Brendan are both supposedly on ITT tonight. That might be interesting.


Well, what was this shock elimination they kept going on about? We've been predicting it on the Forum for weeks.:confused:

doc martin
8th-November-2005, 10:46 AM
Well, what was this shock elimination they kept going on about? We've been predicting it on the Forum for weeks.:confused:
I missed ITT last night.

Were they saying it was a shock that Fiona and Brendan were eliminated?

Did he say anything nice/nasty/insincere?

Will she ever dance (I nearly put again there, but thought better of it)?

Lynn
8th-November-2005, 11:35 AM
I missed ITT last night. So did I! :tears: I had one of those rushing around busy days and I forgot about it! :really:

So what did Fiona and Brendan say? Arlene, Dennis and Isabella were on her breakfast programme and she said she had enjoyed it, but she would say that I suppose.

Gojive
8th-November-2005, 11:55 AM
The talk was indeed of Fiona & Brendan's 'shock' exit :rolleyes: on ITT last night .

They both seemed to be quite accepting of the fact, that it was their turn to go this week, but were just highly dissapointed that it just happend to be the one week where they actually seemed to be turning the corner. Brendan did acknowledge the fact that they had 'escaped' in the previous weeks.

Brendan's very black side was shown in a clip taken shortly after the exit on Saturday, where he asked the for the camera to be switched off in no uncertain terms, saying "you just don't know when to stop!". I can understand his frustration though, given the amount of passion to win that he has, and to then have a lens permanently shoved up your nostril to see the gory reaction when he failed. On the other hand I guess, he's a seasoned SCD professional, and it could therefore be argued that he should be aware of, and accept that this kind of filming was going to take place? Not sure how I'd feel in the same situation :eek:

On the subject of missing the ITT program - this is one of the few drawbacks to the show being aired on BBC2 IMO. When it was out on BBC3, is used to be repeated twice more within the next 12 hours.

Lynn
8th-November-2005, 12:36 PM
On the subject of missing the ITT program - this is one of the few drawbacks to the show being aired on BBC2 IMO. When it was out on BBC3, is used to be repeated twice more within the next 12 hours.I do have a video recorder though, if I had remembered!

Chicklet
8th-November-2005, 01:53 PM
One of the cheap and nasty weekly magazines that one can pinch from one's colllegue's desk when she goes out to fetch one a Pepsimax has a little piece stating that Anton has said that he would cross the road to avoid Patsy...an "insider" haha says they are reaching boiling point....comments????

Lynn
8th-November-2005, 02:35 PM
One of the cheap and nasty weekly magazines that one can pinch from one's colllegue's desk when she goes out to fetch one a Pepsimax has a little piece stating that Anton has said that he would cross the road to avoid Patsy...an "insider" haha says they are reaching boiling point....comments????Media attention to increase their phone vote?

Cynical? Me? :whistle:

Trish
8th-November-2005, 02:35 PM
One of the cheap and nasty weekly magazines that one can pinch from one's colllegue's desk when she goes out to fetch one a Pepsimax has a little piece stating that Anton has said that he would cross the road to avoid Patsy...an "insider" haha says they are reaching boiling point....comments????

All I can say is that he's a very good actor if that's the case. Surely you'd see the façade crack, and him getting frustrated with her, where all you seem to see in the ITT show is them hugging each other and having a good laugh (although admittedly they're only going to show you what they want to show you). Now if that had been said about Fiona and Brendon I wouldn't have been in the least surprised!


Brendan's very black side was shown in a clip taken shortly after the exit on Saturday, where he asked the for the camera to be switched off in no uncertain terms, saying "you just don't know when to stop!". I can understand his frustration though, given the amount of passion to win that he has, and to then have a lens permanently shoved up your nostril to see the gory reaction when he failed.

Yes, very black, the amount of bleeps in that clip was amazing! I can't say I blame him, I should think he's pretty frustrated by the whole thing. I do wonder whether he trained Fiona properly though. Everyone else seemed to try broom handles etc, if their partner's posture was bad, but hers was the worst (all floppy), and I don't remember seeing that.

For those that missed ITT - the funniest thing was Dennis challenging Craig to a game of Snooker - Craig has formally accepted the challenge - so I hope Dennis thrashes him hollow and gives him just as severe a critique afterwards!!!

Lynn
8th-November-2005, 02:40 PM
For those that missed ITT - the funniest thing was Dennis challenging Craig to a game of Snooker - Craig has formally accepted the challenge - so I hope Dennis thrashes him hollow and gives him just as severe a critique afterwards!!! That would be funny! Dennis has probably got to a much higher level in the snooker world than Craig has in the dance world. I don't think Dennis would gloat too much though, he does seem like a really nice guy!

doc martin
8th-November-2005, 02:45 PM
Anton has said that he would cross the road to avoid Patsy...an "insider" haha says they are reaching boiling point....comments????
But would she be able to follow him?

I have to admit to being cynical, as the quotes round insider seem to imply you are. With Fiona and Brendan gone they need a couple arguing. It may be Patsy and Anton's turn, all totally choreographed, with a careful leak beforehand to increase the tension before any (staged) thing actually happens.

Or it could be they are both total prima donnas, no matter how they come across in carefully edited highlights. And that they hate the sight of one another.

In the end it is probably irrelevant which as it keeps us entertained and gossiping and watching.

JonD
8th-November-2005, 03:09 PM
There are some photos on the LeRoc in Bristol Forum (http://www.leroc-in-bristol.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=597.15) taken by some of the folk who were at Saturday's show. The last one seems to give an idea of how Fiona felt about the results. (It's not my photo so I won't post it here).

I've only seen one episode of SCD as I don't have a TV. I hate the drawn out announcement of who is going to leave the show - if that's "good TV" I can happily live without it.

Gojive
8th-November-2005, 03:13 PM
I do have a video recorder though, if I had remembered!


And if it had been repeated later on BBC3, you could have forgotten to record the repeat too! :yum:

Gojive
8th-November-2005, 07:19 PM
Just over 10 minutes until ITT Lynn! :wink:

Len Goodman on again tonight, with another masterclass - should be fun :D

David Bailey
8th-November-2005, 08:09 PM
Just over 10 minutes until ITT Lynn! :wink:

Len Goodman on again tonight, with another masterclass - should be fun :D
It was.

"Would you like a canape" - :rofl:

Tiggerbabe
8th-November-2005, 08:25 PM
There are some photos on the LeRoc in Bristol Forum
Fab photos, taken by Lin and Alex.........the dresses look even better in the still shots, Darren Gough, Colin Jackson and Anton all look totally yummy too :wink:

ElaineB
8th-November-2005, 08:33 PM
It was.

"Would you like a canape" - :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Elaine

ElaineB
8th-November-2005, 08:39 PM
But would she be able to follow him?

I have to admit to being cynical, as the quotes round insider seem to imply you are. With Fiona and Brendan gone they need a couple arguing. It may be Patsy and Anton's turn, all totally choreographed, with a careful leak beforehand to increase the tension before any (staged) thing actually happens.

Or it could be they are both total prima donnas, no matter how they come across in carefully edited highlights. And that they hate the sight of one another.

In the end it is probably irrelevant which as it keeps us entertained and gossiping and watching.

Well, not being a gossip :wink: , but.............I did notice a little bit of friction between Patsy and Anton off camera, where Patsy did seem to be irritated by Anton............

By the way, we passed Anton on the way to the studio and he was on the 'phone, fully dressed and made up for the event. As we passed by, we made the required cat calls and wolf whistles - bless, he wasn't at all put off - he beemed a really big smile back and bowed! Good man! :clap:

Elaine

Lory
8th-November-2005, 08:42 PM
There are some photos on the LeRoc in Bristol Forum (http://www.leroc-in-bristol.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=597.15) taken by some of the folk who were at Saturday's show. The last one seems to give an idea of how Fiona felt about the results.
Oh dear :tears: :tears: :tears:

.................................................. .................................................

ITT was was really good tonight.. Len Goodman's so funny :na:

jivecat
9th-November-2005, 11:10 AM
Yes, very black, the amount of bleeps in that clip was amazing! I can't say I blame him, I should think he's pretty frustrated by the whole thing. I do wonder whether he trained Fiona properly though. Everyone else seemed to try broom handles etc, if their partner's posture was bad, but hers was the worst (all floppy), and I don't remember seeing that.



He did admit to bad behaviour but then he didn't have much choice considering they were just about to show that clip! I don't blame him for getting really irritated but I think he should have exercised a bit more self-control in when he showed it. The programme had him and Fiona snuggled up on the sofa (like the couples on Blind Date who loathed each other) looking cosy but I don't think he was fooling anyone. I have that interview on video BTW if anyone's still interested!
I think he did try to train Fiona but his comments tended to sound hostile rather than supportive and she responded by refusing to try. He's probably not used to dancing with floppy partners, though.

Lynn
9th-November-2005, 12:59 PM
Just over 10 minutes until ITT Lynn! :wink:

Len Goodman on again tonight, with another masterclass - should be fun :DYes, I saw it this time. Len is always great - he's very funny but he manages to break down some technical stuff into understandable terms at the same time.

Noticed an interesting point - Darren Gough's mother is a ballet dancer. And a ballet judge, and gives him feedback. So while he hasn't danced before, it might have helped him a little bit. I still think his progress has been fab.

David Franklin
9th-November-2005, 04:23 PM
Latest gossip - according to Ananova (http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_1605266.html?menu=), Colin has seriously injured himself practising the Samba and may need to pull out of the competition. :tears: :tears:

Now I know these injuries do often get built up out of proportion, but this does sound fairly bad... It will be a great shame if he does have to pull out. Though I have to admit I'm currently rooting for Darren, somewhat to my surprise!

doc martin
9th-November-2005, 05:34 PM
Latest gossip - according to Ananova (http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_1605266.html?menu=), Colin has seriously injured himself practising the Samba and may need to pull out of the competition. :tears: :tears:

Now I know these injuries do often get built up out of proportion, but this does sound fairly bad... It will be a great shame if he does have to pull out. Though I have to admit I'm currently rooting for Darren, somewhat to my surprise!
If I remember rightly, didn't Dan hurt his foot in a similar way in SDF? I think they let him miss that week's competition, but they were given the lowest mark and depended on the viewers to keep them in.

If he really can't dance I am sure they will find some way of keeping him in as he is one of the big viewer draws.

Gojive
9th-November-2005, 07:24 PM
Curtain call!! ITT in 5 mins :waycool:

Tonight's guests - Will & Hanna, and Bill & Karen :)

Gojive
9th-November-2005, 08:05 PM
Latest gossip - according to Ananova (http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_1605266.html?menu=), Colin has seriously injured himself practising the Samba and may need to pull out of the competition. :tears: :tears:

Now I know these injuries do often get built up out of proportion, but this does sound fairly bad... It will be a great shame if he does have to pull out. Though I have to admit I'm currently rooting for Darren, somewhat to my surprise!

News from ITT tonight, is that Colin should be fine for Saturday :).

Interesting to see the clip from last series, when Brendan and Sarah were knocked out - the reaction from Brendan very different from this time round!

David Bailey
9th-November-2005, 08:15 PM
Blimey, Claudia had a good set on her tonight :drool: - I couldn't keep my eyes on her face, so I'm not exactly sure what she was saying. Ahem. Anyway....

The clips and descriptions of the Viennese Waltz only reinforce my views; this dance is The Great Enemy and should be first up against the wall come the revolution - which is apt considering the nature of the "dance". I mean, come on, surely we're not going to be subjected to 4 sets of Viennese Waltzes?

I really don't think Zoe and Ian will do well in the Samba - or Will and Hanna for that matter. Both of them are clearly ballroom specialists. On the other hand, I'm not sure if we've seen a decent Latin specialist - to me, Colin's come closest. And come on girls, don't tell me you weren't staring at his hips moving in the practice session video; I know I was.

And it's great news about Colin - ankle injuries are real buggers though, I hope he doesn't strain it further.

Lynn
9th-November-2005, 09:28 PM
Interesting to see the clip from last series, when Brendan and Sarah were knocked out - the reaction from Brendan very different from this time round!I thought that too.

And yes, I'm looking forward to Colin's samba. :drool:

Lory
9th-November-2005, 10:37 PM
And come on girls, don't tell me you weren't staring at his hips moving in the practice session video;


:really: We're not programmed that way :innocent: :innocent: :innocent: :whistle:

Stuart
9th-November-2005, 10:58 PM
If I remember it correctly, in previous series didn't they all do the Viennese Waltz at the same time? I seem to remember it was a bit like the opening scene from "Strictly Ballroom".

Gojive
9th-November-2005, 11:21 PM
If I remember it correctly, in previous series didn't they all do the Viennese Waltz at the same time? I seem to remember it was a bit like the opening scene from "Strictly Ballroom".


They did indeed Stuart, although they also performed a second dance on the night too.

This time round, if they are to dance the VW en masse, then I'm not sure how they'd pad out the program - although it is only 1 hr 5 mins this week, so maybe? :confused:

Baruch
10th-November-2005, 12:43 AM
If I remember it correctly, in previous series didn't they all do the Viennese Waltz at the same time?
(Shudder)
That would be more likely to get me to change channels than anything else!

Lynn
10th-November-2005, 01:21 AM
This time round, if they are to dance the VW en masse, then I'm not sure how they'd pad out the program - although it is only 1 hr 5 mins this week, so maybe? :confused:Schedule for this week please? So I can make sure I set the video tomorrow for while I am in Camber?

(I suppose I could look it up somewhere, but I've got used to it appearing on this thread! :flower: )

Chef
10th-November-2005, 01:58 AM
Blimey, Claudia had a good set on her tonight :drool: - I couldn't keep my eyes on her face, so I'm not exactly sure what she was saying. Ahem. Anyway....


Have you only just noticed?:what: If you wear glasses it might be time to have the prescription checked. With all the great looking women on the dance scene it would be a pity if you missed anything.:whistle:

Gojive
10th-November-2005, 11:25 AM
Schedule for this week please? So I can make sure I set the video tomorrow for while I am in Camber?

(I suppose I could look it up somewhere, but I've got used to it appearing on this thread! :flower: )

I was going to post it early this week for Camber fans anyway, so coming right up Lynn :flower: ...

Gojive
10th-November-2005, 11:33 AM
Schedule for the next 7 days, from Friday...



ITT - Fri 11th, BBC2, 6:30pm - 7:00pm
SCD - Sat 12th, BBC1, 6:45pm - 7:50pm
Results - Sat 12th, BBC1, 9:15pm - 9:30pm (a short one this week!)
ITT - Mon 14th, BBC2, 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Tue 15th, BBC2, 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Wed 16th, BBC2, 6:30pm - 7:00pm
ITT - Thu 17th, BBC2, 6:30pm - 7:00pm


:waycool:

My guess for who will be leaving this week....Bill & Karen

Lynn
10th-November-2005, 08:54 PM
Schedule for the next 7 days, from Friday... Thanks! :flower: Will be setting the video tonight!

Gojive
11th-November-2005, 10:59 AM
Check list for Camberites.....

SET THE VIDEO!!! :wink:

Chicklet
12th-November-2005, 12:49 PM
Blimey, Claudia had a good set on her tonight :drool: .
So, thanks to ITT, how many extra men now understand the beauty of a DV-F Wrap Dress and want to buy one for the lady / ies :eek: in their lives?????????????

Trish
14th-November-2005, 04:41 PM
So did anyone see the show Saturday, or were you all at Camber?!

I thought Dennis was the right person to go out, despite the fact that he's been a really good sport.

Wasn't Colin fantastic? :drool: :yum: It always amazes me when anyone can get their body to move like that, I wish I was that flexible!

Lynn
14th-November-2005, 07:06 PM
So did anyone see the show Saturday, or were you all at Camber?! There are TVs in the chalets and its was on at a nice time for early evening social gathering before/after eating and getting ready to dance!

Wasn't Colin fantastic? :drool: :yeah: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Trish
15th-November-2005, 01:11 PM
Anyone know what dances they're doing this week? They haven't said a thing about it yet.

David Bailey
15th-November-2005, 01:48 PM
Anyone know what dances they're doing this week? They haven't said a thing about it yet.
I think there's a salsa, dunno what else, I vaguely caught something on ITT yesterday...

Gojive
15th-November-2005, 03:43 PM
Tonight's ITT should reveal a bit more about the upcoming dances - it Len Goodman's Masterclass slot :)

Yogi_Bear
15th-November-2005, 03:47 PM
Tonight's ITT should reveal a bit more about the upcoming dances - it Len Goodman's Masterclass slot :)Let's hope so. I rechecked the BBC web site and couldn't find anything about the upcoming dances. Though by elimination we could have Cha cha cha, Argentine tango, Lindy hop, Cuban salsa (did we have fox trot and quickstep already or just one?).....when will they ever include WCS, I wonder :whistle: ?

Gojive
15th-November-2005, 04:06 PM
Let's hope so. I rechecked the BBC web site and couldn't find anything about the upcoming dances.

The BBC site has been particularly poor with this in series 3. I'm sure they used to list who's doing what in previous series :sad:

Trish
15th-November-2005, 04:31 PM
I think there's a salsa, dunno what else, I vaguely caught something on ITT yesterday...

I watched it yesterday, but I was also in process of getting ready to go out. Maybe I'll watch it again and see if I can catch any references. It's a shame they don't seem to be letting you email ITT this time, or we could bombard them with questions.

I agree with Go Jive, the website's not much use. Also I can't find these forums that Claudia keeps going on about unless she means the Points of View stuff, which is so badly organised I'm surprised anyone can find a thread on anything (unless there's a search facility that I hadn't noticed of course).

Sorry I'll stop moaning now. Looking forward to whatever it is they're doing anyway, I'm sure we'll see in due course!

Been ballroom dancing for the last two weeks, I was getting taught the Samba last night, and have a lot more admiration for anyone who can do it - not the easiest dance, although I'm sure it'll be fun once I've mastered it a bit more.

Gojive
15th-November-2005, 05:21 PM
It appears to be the Rumba and Quickstep this week, and possibly a group Salsa. Info from another forum....

Digital Spy (http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=100)


Also I can't find these forums that Claudia keeps going on about unless she means the Points of View stuff, which is so badly organised I'm surprised anyone can find a thread on anything (unless there's a search facility that I hadn't noticed of course).

Check my link above Trish. This is the forum Claudia mentions :)

David Bailey
15th-November-2005, 09:41 PM
It appears to be the Rumba and Quickstep this week, and possibly a group Salsa. Info from another forum....
That looks right from today's ITT - dunno about quickstep, but they showed them practicing the rumba and the, err... salsa?

Some woman purporting to be the Official World Salsa Champion - hold on a second, I've got to go and :rofl: for a minute....

... Anyway, this woman and some shouting guy were trying to teach them, err, something. It wasn't La Rueda, which was my first thought when Gojive mentioned group salsa. Oh, no, that would have been far too rational.

Instead, it looked like... Actually, I dunno what the hell it looked like, calling it "salsa" was a bit generous. It was fun watching everyone learn though (pros and amateurs).

They're not judging the "salsa" - I wonder if all the "street dances" are going to be unmarked then?

drathzel
16th-November-2005, 01:14 PM
That looks right from today's ITT - dunno about quickstep, but they showed them practicing the rumba


Oh i am looking forward to seeing that one, i love the rumba!:drool:

Trish
16th-November-2005, 02:24 PM
It appears to be the Rumba and Quickstep this week, and possibly a group Salsa. Info from another forum....

Digital Spy (http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=100)



Check my link above Trish. This is the forum Claudia mentions :)

Thanks Gojive, that clears it up. Still a bit confused on what dances they're all doing though - it'll be a bit strange if they are all doing different things.

I agree with David James, it was a funny looking Salsa, but then I have very little experience of Salsa to go on.

I hope Bill's able to do this Rumba, his foot looked horrible!

Gojive
16th-November-2005, 08:02 PM
Well, what a mix of dances we've got coming up this week! :waycool:

Bill & Karen - Rumba
Darren & Lilia - Jive
James & Camilla - Jive
Patsy & Anton - Quickstep
Zoe & Ian - Quickstep
Will & Hanna - Tango
Colin & Erin - Foxtrot

Plus a group "salsa" :wink:

ElaineB
16th-November-2005, 08:04 PM
That looks right from today's ITT - dunno about quickstep, but they showed them practicing the rumba and the, err... salsa?

Some woman purporting to be the Official World Salsa Champion - hold on a second, I've got to go and :rofl: for a minute....

... Anyway, this woman and some shouting guy were trying to teach them, err, something. It wasn't La Rueda, which was my first thought when Gojive mentioned group salsa. Oh, no, that would have been far too rational.

Instead, it looked like... Actually, I dunno what the hell it looked like, calling it "salsa" was a bit generous. It was fun watching everyone learn though (pros and amateurs).

They're not judging the "salsa" - I wonder if all the "street dances" are going to be unmarked then?

Just saw the Salsa couple tonight - what was the man on, what was the woman on?? :eek: I thought she was having an epilectic fit and rushed to my first aid manual!

Wheren't Darren's sons fab! I had a tear in my eye watching them - so sweeeet!

Elaine

David Bailey
16th-November-2005, 08:23 PM
Just saw the Salsa couple tonight - what was the man on, what was the woman on?? :eek: I thought she was having an epilectic fit and rushed to my first aid manual!
:yeah: - I've never ever ever seen a "chicken-impression" dance in a salsa venue in the 10 years I've been dancing salsa, I don't know what the hell she was doing, but it looked damn silly... :mad:

Also, I've no idea who they are - it's possible they're really famous in the salsa world and no-one's told me about them, of course. Oh, and it's also possible there's some "Official Salsa World Championships". And is that a pig outside my bedroom window?

On the other hand, it did p*ss me off that the dancers weren't taking it seriously, and I'm sure I also would have been shouting; it must be a nightmare to teach all those celebs and professional dancers in one group; more ego than an average MJ DJ...

And on the (small) plus side, they did do a clear La Rueda move, so it's possible there'll be some Rueda in there somewhere. But I'm now worried they'll make the dance look bad.


Wheren't Darren's sons fab! I had a tear in my eye watching them - so sweeeet!
They were very cute. I also loved the "boot camp" with Will, and the "No fake tan!", "Come on, you've got to give me something!" exchange :rofl:

I guess the mix of dances is so they all do a dance they haven't done before?

Lynn
16th-November-2005, 09:21 PM
:yeah: - I've never ever ever seen a "chicken-impression" dance in a salsa venue in the 10 years I've been dancing salsa, I don't know what the hell she was doing, but it looked damn silly... :mad: :yeah:
I'm dreading what the celeb women will look like doing that, even the 'expert' looked stupid IMO. I agree they weren't taking it seriously enough but then again if I was at a class and they did that move anywhere near the start, I would probably stop taking it as seriously as well.

I'm getting to the point of wanting to vote for Colin because of his cute smile and wiggles. How sad am I? :blush: :rofl: (I do think he does well at the dancing too!)

jivecat
16th-November-2005, 09:36 PM
Can I vote for Darren's sons?

Stuart
16th-November-2005, 11:00 PM
I liked the "Barmy Army" banner in Pakistan urging people to vote for Darren

Trish
17th-November-2005, 03:14 PM
I'm dreading what the celeb women will look like doing that, even the 'expert' looked stupid IMO. I agree they weren't taking it seriously enough but then again if I was at a class and they did that move anywhere near the start, I would probably stop taking it as seriously as well.

I'm getting to the point of wanting to vote for Colin because of his cute smile and wiggles. How sad am I? :blush: :rofl: (I do think he does well at the dancing too!)

:rofl: :yeah:

I don't suppose Colin's doing too much wiggling this week though - although if his quickstep was anything to go by his foxtrot should be good. :clap:

I thought that woman looked barking as well. The only time I've come across a move like this was quite recently at a show called "Lady Salsa", which was lots of Cubans doing amazing dancing. It told the story of dance in Cuba, and then the story of a character called Lady Salsa. At one point in the second half they got a load of people out the the audience to do that shimmying move (which they were calling "Checka Checka" or something like that), but I don't know whether it is from Salsa in Cuba, or some other dance form. The did say it was a big thing in Cuba, and some of the people in the audience looked a darn sight better than that woman last night did doing this! It was a great night, and the rest of the dancing was fantastic, bits of Flamenco, African tribal stuff, Rumba, these people could wiggle like they had no bones, oh and gorgeous men who kept taking their shirts off, what more could you ask for?!

David Bailey
17th-November-2005, 04:47 PM
I thought that woman looked barking as well.
It's official - the woman was indeed a nutter.


The only time I've come across a move like this was quite recently at a show called "Lady Salsa", which was lots of Cubans doing amazing dancing. It told the story of dance in Cuba, and then the story of a character called Lady Salsa. At one point in the second half they got a load of people out the the audience to do that shimmying move (which they were calling "Checka Checka" or something like that), but I don't know whether it is from Salsa in Cuba, or some other dance form. The did say it was a big thing in Cuba, and some of the people in the audience looked a darn sight better than that woman last night did doing this!
It's been a few years since I saw the lovely Lady Salsa, but I'm sure seeing something as diabolical as That Move in it would have been seared on my soul forever after...

It's definitely not ever going to be done in a club, you'd be laughed out of the venue if you tried, and I can't believe it'd be used in a competition either for that matter. So what's it doing being "taught"? :mad:

David Franklin
17th-November-2005, 10:28 PM
It's been a few years since I saw the lovely Lady Salsa, but I'm sure seeing something as diabolical as That Move in it would have been seared on my soul forever after...When I saw it, I distinctly remember the dancers doing a lot of isolation work that wasn't entirely dissimilar to the debacle on ITT. The key word, however, was isolation - controlled rippling is rather different from a grand mal seizure.

Trish
18th-November-2005, 11:40 AM
When I saw it, I distinctly remember the dancers doing a lot of isolation work that wasn't entirely dissimilar to the debacle on ITT. The key word, however, was isolation - controlled rippling is rather different from a grand mal seizure.

Yes - you're right there! The Lady Salsa people were doing something similar to what she was doing (definitely a shake rather than a ripple - although their ripples at other points in the show were gorgeous), but it looked much sexier and more understated. As you say she looked like she was having a fit, and so did all the SCD people - but I think that was fits of giggles! Actually one or two of the people from the audience that they had on stage looked like they were having fits as well :rofl: - I'll tell you what, it'll make good TV - I can't imagine they'll get through it without cracking up laughing!!!

After SDC:ITT last night I'm really looking forward to watching the show, although I'm out at a wedding so I won't be able to see it till Sunday :sad: but apart from the Jive boys, who looked a bit clumpy, everyone else was looking really good.

David Franklin
18th-November-2005, 11:46 AM
I'll tell you what, it'll make good TV - I can't imagine they'll get through it without cracking up laughing!!!Good thing Brendon's not still competing, I wouldn't put it past him to "doctor" his partner's radio mike, so the reason she looks like she's having an electric shock applied to her backside is, um, because she's having an electric shock applied to her backside...


After SDC:ITT last night I'm really looking forward to watching the show, although I'm out at a wedding so I won't be able to see it till Sunday :sad: but apart from the Jive boys, who looked a bit clumpy, everyone else was looking really good.Really hoping Bill can stay in this week. Yeah, sympathy vote and all that, but I really like his attitude, and he has had a 'mare with that foot.

The funny thing about this series is that there are two men (Dennis and Bill) who might not look like professional dancers, but leave me believing they really can lead their dances socially. Would be nice to see a little credit from the judges for that, but as in SDF they didn't seem to be able to tell which couples really did dance lead/follow, I don't have much hope.

Gojive
18th-November-2005, 12:06 PM
Here's the schedule for the next 7 days:



ITT - Fri 18th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
SCD - Sat 19th, BBC1, 18:30 - 19:45
Results - Sat 19th, BBC1, 21:10 - 21:40
ITT - Mon 21st, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Tue 22nd, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Wed 23rd, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Thu 24th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00

Enjoy! :waycool:

David Bailey
18th-November-2005, 12:12 PM
Really hoping Bill can stay in this week. Yeah, sympathy vote and all that, but I really like his attitude, and he has had a 'mare with that foot.
:yeah: I warmed to him too after last night - he's a trouper, and he seems less precious than most of them.

And when he was assessing his chances, he didn't come out with the standard party line of "Oh, we're all in it together, every week is a gift, I'm just so lucky to be in with such wonderful people, blah blah...", he said what he thought.

This Sat is the first week when I'll be sorry to see any of the couples go.

Trish
18th-November-2005, 01:15 PM
:yeah: I warmed to him too after last night - he's a trouper, and he seems less precious than most of them.

And when he was assessing his chances, he didn't come out with the standard party line of "Oh, we're all in it together, every week is a gift, I'm just so lucky to be in with such wonderful people, blah blah...", he said what he thought.

This Sat is the first week when I'll be sorry to see any of the couples go.

Yes, that's what I thought. The only one I'm still not as keen on is Patsy, but then again, last time she was interviewed she also came over really well. Cant' work out who is going to go out this week - maybe Will? He's escaped the bottom two three times now, although his tango looked ok to my untrained eye - maybe James? He seems to have a big following though, and you can really tell he's trying. Hope it's not some shock exit where everyone thinks "they're safe" of Zoe and Ian or something. They've all got their good point now though.

Gojive
18th-November-2005, 02:13 PM
Yes, that's what I thought. The only one I'm still not as keen on is Patsy, but then again, last time she was interviewed she also came over really well. Cant' work out who is going to go out this week - maybe Will? He's escaped the bottom two three times now, although his tango looked ok to my untrained eye - maybe James? He seems to have a big following though, and you can really tell he's trying. Hope it's not some shock exit where everyone thinks "they're safe" of Zoe and Ian or something. They've all got their good point now though.


Yep, very tough one to call this week!

My take on things:

Bill & Karen (Rumba) - Bill certainly seems to have gained a few extra friends this week

Darren & Lilia (Jive) - Darren can do no wrong with the ladies, and Lilia is loved by most men

James & Camilla (Jive) - Hmm...not much either way on this couple this week. Possibles...

Patsy & Anton (Quickstep) - Anton's charm should keep him in with the voters another week

Zoe & Ian (Quickstep) - I think they will shine at this, and up in top spot with the joodges

Will & Hanna (Tango) - Ballroom is what Will does best. I think they'll be in second spot with joodges

Colin & Erin (Foxtrot) - Like James and Camilla, not much change for this week

So, if I had to guess.....James and Camilla. As DJ said though, it'll be sad to see any of them go this week.

David Bailey
18th-November-2005, 03:19 PM
From the clips they showed, both jives looked very dodgy to me - sub-Dennis-Taylor level, basically. Big, heavy guys, we could be talking Roger Black levels of awfulness on Sat.

My prediction for the final:
- 1st: Zoe and Ian
- 2nd: Colin and Erin
- 3rd: Darren and Lilia

Anyone else going out on a limb?

FWIW. Ladbrokes have the following odds:
- Zoe Ball: 1.80
- Colin Jackson: 3.00
- Darren Gough: 7.00
- Patsy Palmer: 9.00
- James Martin: 34.00
- Will Thorp: 34.00
- Bill Turnbull: 81.00

In other words, I'm following the form exactly :)

Jooles
18th-November-2005, 03:24 PM
Would anybody else agree that Colin Jackson doesn't seem to be getting the publicity that the other celebrities are getting. I don't think I've ever seen him appearing on ITT and yesterday when Craig was going through the couples' training footage and saying how they were all getting on. Colin wasn't even mentioned.
I know he missed a week for jury service but that was the week before last.

David Franklin
18th-November-2005, 03:30 PM
From the clips they showed, both jives looked very dodgy to me - sub-Dennis-Taylor level, basically. Big, heavy guys, we could be talking Roger Black levels of awfulness on Sat.

My prediction for the final:
- 1st: Zoe and Ian
- 2nd: Colin and Erin
- 3rd: Darren and Lilia

Anyone else going out on a limb?At least on the dancing, those are the 3 clear leaders, I'd say. I think it's very close between Darren and Colin, with Darren currently my slight favourite. But I don't think Colin has really hit top form yet. On the other hand, I can see Darren doing the best showdance of all of them.


FWIW. Ladbrokes have the following odds:
- Zoe Ball: 1.80
- Colin Jackson: 3.00
- Darren Gough: 7.00
- Patsy Palmer: 9.00
- James Martin: 34.00
- Will Thorp: 34.00
- Bill Turnbull: 81.00And according to the digitalspy forum (http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showpost.php?p=6228379&postcount=69), the elimination odds for this week are:

Will Thorp & Hanna 5 - 4
Bill Turnbull & Karen 6 - 4
James Martin & Camilla 6 - 1
Patsy Palmer & Anton 14 - 1
Darren Gough & Lilia 25 - 1
Colin Jackson & Erin 25 - 1
Zoe Ball & Ian 50 - 1
On those odds, James or Patsy to go might be worth a flutter.

Stuart
18th-November-2005, 05:10 PM
Would anybody else agree that Colin Jackson doesn't seem to be getting the publicity that the other celebrities are getting. I don't think I've ever seen him appearing on ITT and yesterday when Craig was going through the couples' training footage and saying how they were all getting on. Colin wasn't even mentioned.
I know he missed a week for jury service but that was the week before last.

He has been on ITT, but not as often as some of the other competitors.

Lynn
19th-November-2005, 12:14 AM
Would anybody else agree that Colin Jackson doesn't seem to be getting the publicity that the other celebrities are getting. I've noticed that too (OK, its because I think he's cute so I want to see him more :blush: ).

I know they aren't getting marked on the salsa, but he will do the best of the celeb men on that, if the shots of them all practicing tonight was anything to go by. Its those hips in action again...:drool:

Jooles
19th-November-2005, 11:20 AM
Poor Colin..... Once again on ITT they went through every practice routine last night with all the guests - but didn't get to Colin. Not even a mention of him.

CeeCee
19th-November-2005, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Jooles
Would anybody else agree that Colin Jackson doesn't seem to be getting the publicity that the other celebrities are getting…

Colin wasn't even mentioned…

Poor Colin..... Once again on ITT they went through every practice routine last night with all the guests - but didn't get to Colin. Not even a mention of him…

So do we think that this is an official conspiracy?
Perhaps they don't like him.
Perhaps they don't want him to win.
Perhaps they think we won't notice him if they don't mention him.

Let's all vote for Colin, we'll show the BBC!

Never mind all that, I'm glad that I recorded the show a couple of weeks ago because I'm still enjoying watching the professionals dancing their amazing samba, it was awesome.

WittyBird
19th-November-2005, 09:12 PM
Colin is just the best he has my vote anyway :worthy:

David Bailey
19th-November-2005, 09:41 PM
So do we think that this is an official conspiracy?
Perhaps they don't like him.
Perhaps they don't want him to win.
Perhaps they think we won't notice him if they don't mention him.
I'm not sure - but I think you're right, there's a lot less "side coverage" of him than the others - none of this human-interest stuff they do to bump up the votes.

It could be that he's just a private person and not comfortable with having the spotlight of publicity on him in that way. Unfortunate, because I think that lack of showmanship hurts him.

And I'm p&ssed-off, because I think:
- he's the best celeb dancer we've ever seen on the show;
- but he won't win it

I think he's a better dancer than Zoe, but the difference between their marks is the difference made by the "leader-disadvantage". In other words, a truly great leader can not only lead, but can compensate for follower mistakes, and inspire their follower, in a way that's impossible for a great follower to do to her lead. The male celeb is handicapped, and always will be.

So if Colin can't win, and I think given the mark disparities he can't, what's the point of having male celebs on this competition in the first place? :mad:

David Franklin
19th-November-2005, 10:26 PM
It could be that he's just a private person and not comfortable with having the spotlight of publicity on him in that way. Unfortunate, because I think that lack of showmanship hurts him.And at the same time, he's doing the "athlete" thing of (semi-)rationally evaluating his changes, saying he's looking to do really well, and thereby p*ssing off the majority of the demographic.


And I'm p&ssed-off, because I think:
- he's the best celeb dancer we've ever seen on the show;
- but he won't win itSort of disagree - at her best, I think Jill was a fair bit better - having seen the performances this year, the sharpness of her jive (and at more-or-less full speed, not the sub-150bpm versions we saw tonight) really stands out.

And although Colin has the most potential, somehow it's never come together 100%. Meanwhile Darren has really surprised me.

The thing that's frustrating is that even if Colin does "nail it", I don't believe he'll get a 10. Meanwhile, Zoe had a few fluffs and gets a 10!

Colin and Darren are a long way better than any other male we've had. And Zoe is still beating them comfortably. Worse, Patsy is running them close, and I really don't think she's anywhere near their standard. Thought Patsy was really weak tonight, and they still gave her eights! :angry:


So if Colin can't win, and I think given the mark disparities he can't, what's the point of having male celebs on this competition in the first place? :mad:I think Colin (or Darren) will have a fighting chance if it goes to the last two. Remember, the audience vote is paramount, and there are a lot of people who want to see a man win.

David Bailey
19th-November-2005, 10:54 PM
Sort of disagree - at her best, I think Jill was a fair bit better
You're right - sorry, meant best male celeb dancer.


The thing that's frustrating is that even if Colin does "nail it", I don't believe he'll get a 10. Meanwhile, Zoe had a few fluffs and gets a 10!
I know - the difference was illustrated by Arlene saying that's the best male-celeb-led foxtrot ever; but that's still only worth an 8. So in other words, there's up to a 20% disadvantage of being a male celeb - up to 8 points out of 40.

It's not the judges fault - they have to judge each dance on its merits alone - it's a systemic fault.

Tonight's result was a shock - Bill and James, frankly, were both dire, and I've always thought Will was good. Everyone was expecting Bill to go - it just shows you how different the public vote is sometimes.

David Franklin
19th-November-2005, 11:17 PM
You're right - sorry, meant best male celeb dancer.OK. In that context, Colin is a country mile better than any one in series 1 and 2 - but so is Darren.

I know - the difference was illustrated by Arlene saying that's the best male-celeb-led foxtrot ever; but that's still only worth an 8. So in other words, there's up to a 20% disadvantage of being a male celeb - up to 8 points out of 40. Good point - though in interests of fairness, foxtrot doesn't usually score that high. Quickstep has always been the highest scoring ballroom dance.


It's not the judges fault - they have to judge each dance on its merits alone - it's a systemic fault.Well, except it is their fault, really. It was very illuminating on ITT recently when they had an "alternative judges panel" of 4 ballroom teachers. Their results (a) didn't match with Arlene et. al. at all, and (b) matched with me pretty much perfectly. In particular, they thought the SCD judges were pretty uniformly harsh on the men and kind to the women.

And (to hark back to old news), what the judges came up with in Strictly Dance Fever left me very unconvinced they could judge lead/follow. I am still unconvinced Joseph and Sadie had any real degree of lead/follow (and what I hear from events where J/S participated confirms this). And yet Arlene et. al. never seemed to notice! :angry:


Tonight's result was a shock - Bill and James, frankly, were both dire, and I've always thought Will was good. Everyone was expecting Bill to go - it just shows you how different the public vote is sometimes.I actually thought Bill portrayed the emotion of the dance pretty well. James wasn't great. Will was technically OK, but is incredibly robotic. I find he comes across fake in the interview stuff as well - it's all "make the right noises, even if I don't believe what I'm saying". And he always seems to have struggled in the public voting. Conversely, Bill was always going to get a massive sympathy vote this week, and James has a huge fan following from what I see (don't ask me why!).

Nearly everyone on the DigitalSpy forums thought Patsy was hugely overmarked (I agree!) - and despite quite high scores, she was in the last 2. My guess is Bill and Patsy will be the next two to go (not sure of the order). I would expect James to go next after them, but maybe I underestimate his fan base.

ElaineB
20th-November-2005, 10:01 AM
And although Colin has the most potential, somehow it's never come together 100%. Meanwhile Darren has really surprised me.

The thing that's frustrating is that even if Colin does "nail it", I don't believe he'll get a 10. Meanwhile, Zoe had a few fluffs and gets a 10!

Colin and Darren are a long way better than any other male we've had. And Zoe is still beating them comfortably. Worse, Patsy is running them close, and I really don't think she's anywhere near their standard. Thought Patsy was really weak tonight, and they still gave her eights! :angry:

I think Colin (or Darren) will have a fighting chance if it goes to the last two. Remember, the audience vote is paramount, and there are a lot of people who want to see a man win.

Re Patsy, I totally agree - I thought she was really weak tonight - reminiscent of Fiona - she lost her footwork and appeared to be trotting. I also didn't like her posture at times. So how they could give her similar marks to Colin, I really don't know! :mad:

As for Darren - doesn't Arlene talk a load of rubbish! Darren is a big man (I've held his arm, so I know! :whistle: ) and I really thought he managed to get some real lift into his footwork and he was spot on with the timing. On top of that, he really looked as though he was loving it. He obviously didn't have the lightness of Darren (of Darren and Lillia), but there is a huge size difference!

I have also noticed the lack of publicity for Colin, whereas Bill Turnbill is being hyped to the 'enth' degree. I think he had about five minutes pre-amble before his turn to dance. Personally, I didn't enjoy watching him last night - he just seemed to strike a lot of poses. I know his foot is bad, so he received a great deal of the sympathy vote last night, but I hope that vote wanes next week!

As for Zoe and Ian (:yum: ), I thought they were very good, but I am not sure that a '10' was deserved.

I really enjoyed the group Salsa. They really looked as though they were having a ball, although James seemed to be suffering from the limp side arm syndrome! Only complaint is that I wanted to see more of Ian in that shirt! :D

Loved the Argentine Tango display by the pro's! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Lynn
20th-November-2005, 11:04 AM
Re Patsy, I totally agree - I thought she was really weak tonight - reminiscent of Fiona - she lost her footwork and appeared to be trotting. I also didn't like her posture at times. So how they could give her similar marks to Colin, I really don't know! :mad: I was quite shocked by the comments and marks they gave Patsy, I thought her performance was weak, and she seemed to as well, not even wanting to hear the judges comments.

I thought Colin's salsa was def the best celeb one - but that's those hips in action again :drool: .

I would like to see a final of Zoe, Colin and Darren. I would love Colin to win (OK I'll admit that's not just because of dancing technical ability, I enjoy watching him dance the most :whistle: ) or Darren, but I suspect it would be Zoe.

I see the AT is to be another group dance next week and presumably therefore not marked by the judges. Lovely to see the professionals doing it, will be interesting to see what the celebs can do with it, in a week.

David Bailey
20th-November-2005, 11:05 AM
Bill Turnbill is being hyped to the 'enth' degree.
The judges were right - he shouldn't be in it at this stage. Will was a better dancer - OK, yes, I know, robotic, but technically good, whereas Bill was just, well, not-good.


I really enjoyed the group Salsa.
I'm glad someone did...

Actually, I was kind of impressed with the choreography - considering they only had 1 day to organise that routine, it went quite well. And thankfully there was no chicken-flapping arm routine to :eek: at.

I was disappointed that the organisers didn't go for La Rueda, but then I suppose swapping partners would have kind of defeated the object of judging fixed-couples.


Loved the Argentine Tango display by the pro's! :clap: :clap: :clap:
:yeah: My God, wasn't it just fabulous :drool: - and it just flowed so well. Wow...

philsmove
20th-November-2005, 11:11 AM
Loved the Argentine Tango display by the pro's! :clap: :clap: :clap:

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Stuart
20th-November-2005, 11:17 AM
Apart from the Group Argentinian Tango, does anybody know what they will be doing next week?

bigdjiver
20th-November-2005, 11:40 PM
A bit off track ... I have seen a few accidents on this show. The one that stands out was the smack in the cheek that James got from his professional partner. This occurred with two people alone on the dance floor who had been practising their routine for a week. I am amazed at how few such accidents I have seen at MJ events, despite dancers of all levels dancing with partners that they are meeting for the first time.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: for us

David Franklin
21st-November-2005, 11:02 AM
Bill Turnbill is being hyped to the 'enth' degree. I think he had about five minutes pre-amble before his turn to dance. Personally, I didn't enjoy watching him last night - he just seemed to strike a lot of poses. I know his foot is bad, so he received a great deal of the sympathy vote last night, but I hope that vote wanes next week!
I know SCD/SDF have a tradition of "hyping" people's injuries, but Bill's foot really was "scary bad" this week. Bryony was at a medical conference this weekend; during the evening a group were discussing the show. And most of them were saying they wouldn't vote for Bill - they considered it medically unwise for him to be dancing and he should probably be in hospital. (To be fair, I think that was based on the footage from earlier in the week when it was really bad - he seemed a lot better on Saturday).

I expect the sympathy vote will wane - it usually does. How they dance will choose the order, but I'm expecting Bill and Patsy to go out in the next two weeks.

Trish
21st-November-2005, 11:55 AM
I actually thought Bill portrayed the emotion of the dance pretty well. James wasn't great. Will was technically OK, but is incredibly robotic. I find he comes across fake in the interview stuff as well - it's all "make the right noises, even if I don't believe what I'm saying". And he always seems to have struggled in the public voting. Conversely, Bill was always going to get a massive sympathy vote this week, and James has a huge fan following from what I see (don't ask me why!).

Nearly everyone on the DigitalSpy forums thought Patsy was hugely overmarked (I agree!) - and despite quite high scores, she was in the last 2. My guess is Bill and Patsy will be the next two to go (not sure of the order). I would expect James to go next after them, but maybe I underestimate his fan base.

:yeah: - I also can't believe that Colin and Patsy got similar marks. I wonder if the BBC wants Anton to stay in because of his popularity :whistle: . They seemed really surprised to be in the bottom two, but personally I find Patsy a bit irritating (her voice grates on me for a start), and maybe I'm not the only one. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to go fairly soon. I think Bill should go really, his dancing's not up to the standard of everyone else, and he really should be taking care of that foot, but I do like him, despite this - he makes me laugh, and also I think he's very brave.

As to Will - I think his luck ran out in the same way as Fiona's. When people are in the bottom two for a few weeks, I reckon it gets some of the public thinking, "he's had his chance", and then they stop voting for him. Just my view on it though! Personally I also find his staring eyes a bit freaky! It's a shame for him though that he went out on a week he did better, that often seems to be the case though.

I want Colin, Zoe and Darren in the final.

I guess next week is going to be another jumble of dances, with a group AT - although you wouldn't have thought it was really a group dance! The Pro's were fantastic though!!

Bex
21st-November-2005, 12:14 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed Saturday night's show (was at home on my own with a cold, feeling very sorry for myself - so it really cheered me up!)

Patsy did fluff up her dance quite a bit and I was surprised how nice the judges were about it. I can't help but like her and Anton though :flower: especially the sticky out tongue thing she was doing, very funny :D

I thought the group salsa was great, bearing in mind that I thought it was going to be a complete sham after seeing the rehersals. Soooooo pleased they didn't do that funky chicken god awful thing! :clap: I also loved the side to side steps that the rest of the group were doing while each couple danced their bit, very reminiscent of the end group dance of Dirty Dancing.

Ballroom Jive is certainly not my favourite of the dances and it does make me wonder how many other people feel the same. If I hadn't done any dancing before and was sitting at home wanting to learn a dance form, I certainly wouldn't follow anything that have 'Jive' in the name. Would be fab if they'd do a 'modern jive' demonstration, just to show how different it is to the Ballroom version.

Thought the Argentinian professionals were superb :worthy: especially loved the first couple they highlighted (lady in the red dress, short slicked back hair) WOW!!!

I think Zoe, Darren and Colin in the final definitely.

Bex

David Bailey
21st-November-2005, 12:48 PM
I guess next week is going to be another jumble of dances
The Sunday Times TV guide said Samba and Viennese Waltz, but that's probably cack - they just did those ones, after all. My guess would be that we'd see more Waltz and Cha-Cha, as they haven't been around in a while.

As for who does what - who knows, I haven't kept track of who's done what dances already. Presumably the idea is that each couple has to do each of the 10 dances, so on any given week it'll vary depending on who's left in the competition.


with a group AT - although you wouldn't have thought it was really a group dance!
It's not, of course, but then neither is salsa (or for that matter jitterbug). I guess they'll just put them in a bunch and focus on one at a time, like in the demonstration.

So obviously the producers are avoiding the "how to judge street dances" problem by not actually judging them - makes sense I guess :rolleyes:


Ballroom Jive is certainly not my favourite of the dances and it does make me wonder how many other people feel the same.
I used to think that, but Jill Halfpenny's jive routine (full-speed) was just awesome in the previous series.

Bex
21st-November-2005, 01:01 PM
I used to think that, but Jill Halfpenny's jive routine (full-speed) was just awesome in the previous series.

Sorry, should have clarified, I think it looks great for the ladies (and agree Jill did look fantastic), but haven't seen a guy yet (including the pro's) who can make it look good. I'm not disputing the technicalities of the dance, but I just don't think it looks that masculine.

Trish
21st-November-2005, 04:54 PM
Sorry, should have clarified, I think it looks great for the ladies (and agree Jill did look fantastic), but haven't seen a guy yet (including the pro's) who can make it look good. I'm not disputing the technicalities of the dance, but I just don't think it looks that masculine.

Yes, Jill Halfpenny's jive was amazing, but I agree about the guys not being that great. Has Colin done that yet? I always thought the Samba wasn't a very masculine dance, but I liked his version! :drool: Maybe we've got that to come and he could prove us wrong about men jiving (I'm damn sure Bill Turnbull won't)!

The only dance I seem to remember someone saying was James, who said in the talky bit with Tess, that he'd be doing a waltz (if I heard it correctly). But it must be a normal waltz not a Vienese one, as he's already done that.

Gojive
21st-November-2005, 06:32 PM
Apart from the Group Argentinian Tango, does anybody know what they will be doing next week?

Hi Stuart, straight from the horses mouth...

Darren and Lilia - The Foxtrot
Patsy and Anton - The Cha Cha Cha
Colin and Erin - The Viennese Waltz
James and Camilla - The Waltz
Bill and Karen - The Waltz
Zoe and Ian - The Tango

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/11/21/27418.shtml

ElaineB
21st-November-2005, 08:24 PM
Interesting that on SCD ITT tonight, the 'Judges' at Cambridge University seemed to think:

Colin and Erin should have received two tens. In fact they couldn't believe their ears at the real Judges marks.

Didn't appear impressed with Patsy!

Bill was not good! (Get away!) They didn't like the hand on the hand on the bum move!

Will was good.

Zoe and Ian didn't deserve their ten.

Darren appeared good on the difficult footwork, but not so competant on the simple stuff.

Can't remember what they said about James - anyone?


Elaine

David Bailey
21st-November-2005, 09:03 PM
Hi Stuart, straight from the horses mouth...

Darren and Lilia - The Foxtrot
Patsy and Anton - The Cha Cha Cha
Colin and Erin - The Viennese Waltz
James and Camilla - The Waltz
Bill and Karen - The Waltz
Zoe and Ian - The Tango

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/11/21/27418.shtml
Excellent - about flippin' time the Beeb posted a list on their site.

Interesting that last week's two weakest contestants (score-wise) are doing the same dance...

Stuart
21st-November-2005, 09:43 PM
Hi Stuart, straight from the horses mouth...

Darren and Lilia - The Foxtrot
Patsy and Anton - The Cha Cha Cha
Colin and Erin - The Viennese Waltz
James and Camilla - The Waltz
Bill and Karen - The Waltz
Zoe and Ian - The Tango

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/news/2005/11/21/27418.shtml
Thanks

I think there might have been an element of bias with those Cambridge students. I don't know if she still is, but Erin used to be their coach/teacher.

Stuart
22nd-November-2005, 08:05 PM
A seasonal offering to look forward to:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4456936.stm

Lynn
22nd-November-2005, 08:24 PM
Noticed yesterday that Lesley ('every woman should have half an hour with Anton') Garrett really was bitten by the dancing bug - her and hubby are still dancing, taught by Anton.

Liked the practice of group tango, I think because it was about at the level I am at. :blush: :whistle:

And the really good part - Colin is on the show tomorrow. :clap:

David Bailey
22nd-November-2005, 08:53 PM
Good ITT tonight - as always.

The Tango bit at the end looked a bit weird - OK, I'm just a beginner, but where'd the swapping-partners thing come from then?

And poor Len, he's got to teach Fiona Philips how to dance for the Xmas special, the man's got his work cut out for him...

Lynn
22nd-November-2005, 09:10 PM
The Tango bit at the end looked a bit weird - OK, I'm just a beginner, but where'd the swapping-partners thing come from then? I think they are going to do that in all the group dances, just as a little additional bit - most of the time they will be with their own partner I presume - but it makes it more of a 'group dance' if there is some swapping, rather than just them all on the floor at the same time with their own partner.

Lynn
22nd-November-2005, 09:12 PM
And poor Len, he's got to teach Fiona Philips how to dance for the Xmas special, the man's got his work cut out for him...And what if he is able to teach her how to dance (well, a bit at least) - it won't make Brendan look too good will it? :whistle:

David Bailey
22nd-November-2005, 09:18 PM
I think they are going to do that in all the group dances, just as a little additional bit - most of the time they will be with their own partner I presume - but it makes it more of a 'group dance' if there is some swapping, rather than just them all on the floor at the same time with their own partner.
Sure - but they didn't really do that in the salsa, and there's the honest-to-goodness ready-made group salsa variant of La Rueda they could have used - in fact, the swapping bit from Tango looked a bit Rueda-ish to me.

So I'm puzzled as to why introduce swaps in AT - I've never seen that happen, although admittedly I know very little about AT.

Gojive
22nd-November-2005, 09:23 PM
Sure - but they didn't really do that in the salsa,

I'm pretty sure they did David?.....but just in case I'm waaaaay wrong, I've had a couple of bottles of vin rouge this evening in my defence! :waycool:



and there's the honest-to-goodness ready-made group salsa variant of La Rueda they could have used - in fact, the swapping bit from Tango looked a bit Rueda-ish to me.

I'll take your word for that though, because drink or no drink, I haven't got a clue there! :cheers:

latinlover
23rd-November-2005, 09:41 AM
Just to throw in my two penn'orth..................
I thought the Argentine Tango demo was FANTASTIC
I may have to start learning it again(too impatient)
I actually was impressed with the salsa - it was much better than I expected it to be
And Will was ROBBED
I think he did an amazing tango but TO THE WRONG MUSIC!!!
Pretty Woman???? puh- lease!!
No-one else has mentioned this, but I am sure that if he had danced exactly the same tango to proper tango music ,then the pauses and punctuation would have been much more evident to even the most philistine of judges and voters. He really didn't deserve to go this time. I can only assume his partner doesn't like tango music, or some dumb producer gave him the choice and he didn't know any better.
Not happy:angry:
Patsy shoud go. She is being propped up by Anton all the time . She knows it but the judges are ignoring it for some reason.
Other than that I LOVE the show
Darren should win:clap:
although I do love Zoe..................

Trish
23rd-November-2005, 12:05 PM
And what if Len is able to teach her how to dance (well, a bit at least) - it won't make Brendan look too good will it? :whistle:

Exactly what I thought last night.


Sure - but they didn't really do that in the salsa, and there's the honest-to-goodness ready-made group salsa variant of La Rueda they could have used - in fact, the swapping bit from Tango looked a bit Rueda-ish to me.

Sorry to contradict you David but yes, the did do it in the Salsa - although not all that much. Honestly, I was watching it again last night. :flower:


A seasonal offering to look forward to:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4456936.stm

Looks good. Having the Brits compete against the Americans will be interesting - although whether we'll recognise any of the American "celebrities" I don't know, I doubt they'd know very many of ours.

I agree with Latin Lover about "Pretty Woman", although it's not just that, quite a few of the music choices this series have been very strange really. Arlene said the same thing on ITT the Friday before the show. I also agree about Patsy.

Did anyone else notice that Len said last night that he tends to focus on the whole performance and give a general score on that, but then contradicted himself by saying he marked Colin down because one little bit (ie his turns) irritated him? Not fair - Colin's Foxtrot was excellent - you got the impression it was generally technically better than Zoe's Quickstep.

Tessalicious
23rd-November-2005, 12:26 PM
Looks good. Having the Brits compete against the Americans will be interesting - although whether we'll recognise any of the American "celebrities" I don't know, I doubt they'd know very many of ours.Hmm, that's going to be very interesting.
I agree with Latin Lover about "Pretty Woman", although it's not just that, quite a few of the music choices this series have been very strange really. Arlene said the same thing on ITT the Friday before the show.It's weird isn't it, the quality of the singing is soooo much higher this series than previously - before it has frequently been painful to listen to, now they seem to have at least trained their singers. But as that has improved, the choices of music have deteriorated (beginning with SDF) to unimaginable depths of unsuitability. I mean, as you say - 'Pretty Woman' as a tango? Where's the passion, fire and conflict in that? It's just a soppy song with a vaguely suitable bpm.

Did anyone else notice that Len said last night that he tends to focus on the whole performance and give a general score on that, but then contradicted himself by saying he marked Colin down because one little bit (ie his turns) irritated him? Not fair - Colin's Foxtrot was excellent - you got the impression it was generally technically better than Zoe's Quickstep.I heard from a friend who heard from a friend who might just have a vested interest in knowing these things - apparently a certain couple are getting a lot fewer public votes than the BBC wants them to, so they are suspected to be having their judges scores bumped up accordingly to keep them at the top, while the opposite applies to everyone's favourite Welshman.

Personally, as long as they don't let that jeopardise a very good and popular male dancer's chance of winning the competition, all's fair in love and television. Problem comes if he gets knocked out as a result - it's not exactly encouraging to the men that might be coaxed out of their shell by both Colin and Darren's 'this dancing thing is fab' attitude, is it?

David Bailey
23rd-November-2005, 12:27 PM
Sorry to contradict you David but yes, the did do it in the Salsa - although not all that much. Honestly, I was watching it again last night. :flower:
I was wrong? :eek: Oh well, there's always a first time... :innocent:


I agree with Latin Lover about "Pretty Woman", although it's not just that, quite a few of the music choices this series have been very strange really.
Not as bad as the SDF ones, but yes, Pretty Woman was a very weird choice - OK, the band did their best to "tang it up" a bit, but it really didn't work. And Arlene's face on ITT last week when she was told the music was a picture of shock. I must admit, I also was thinking "Is this a wind up?" at that point, so you can hardly blame her.


Did anyone else notice that Len said last night that he tends to focus on the whole performance and give a general score on that, but then contradicted himself by saying he marked Colin down because one little bit (ie his turns) irritated him? Not fair - Colin's Foxtrot was excellent - you got the impression it was generally technically better than Zoe's Quickstep.
I noticed another interesting comment he made was about the "9 / 10" thing - he pretty much admitted that he at least marked relatively.

In other words, the marks were relative in comparison to the other dancers, rather than "objectively". Which both contradicts what they said before, and also makes it hard to see how they can mark comparatively now so many different dances are being done.

Of course, it's all relative - what got a 9 in week 1 won't get so much in week 8 - but they've up to now tried to pretend that it's all objective, so I thought that was an interesting little tidbit...

David Franklin
23rd-November-2005, 12:42 PM
Looks good. Having the Brits compete against the Americans will be interesting - although whether we'll recognise any of the American "celebrities" I don't know, I doubt they'd know very many of ours.
In series 1, the US celebs were (in reverse order):
Trista Sutter
Evander Holyfield
Rachel Hunter
Joey McIntyre
John O'Hurley (Runner up)
Kelly Monaco (Winner)

Of these, I'd heard of Evander, Rachel and Kelly.

There are reasonably good videos of the performances here (http://journals.rpungin.fotki.com/dance/entry/wqbkwkdfksd/).

David Franklin
23rd-November-2005, 11:30 PM
I heard from a friend who heard from a friend who might just have a vested interest in knowing these things - apparently a certain couple are getting a lot fewer public votes than the BBC wants them to, so they are suspected to be having their judges scores bumped up accordingly to keep them at the top, while the opposite applies to everyone's favourite Welshman.Interesting! Following comments on the DigitalSpy forums, I was moved to do an exhaustive analysis of the voting possibilities last week. (Yes I'm sad - and I also have a spare PC sitting doing nothing while I do my real work).

To summarize, out of the 5040 different possible voting permutations, 88 were consistent with the results - i.e. Will had the lowest score and Patsy was second from bottom after scores were combined. Of those 88, only two had Patsy more than 2nd from bottom in the audience vote.

In other words, now Will is out of the equation, it is very likely Patsy is the least popular contestant with the audience. Given she's dancing latin this week, I think it might be the end for her...

Lory
23rd-November-2005, 11:54 PM
Did anyone else see the Tango on ITT tonight :what: :worthy: :worthy: It was FANTASTIC! How an earth don't they kick eachother :confused:

I kick poor Kevin EVERY week! :blush:

ElaineB
24th-November-2005, 08:15 AM
Did anyone else see the Tango on ITT tonight :what: :worthy: :worthy: It was FANTASTIC! How an earth don't they kick eachother :confused:

I kick poor Kevin EVERY week! :blush:


Yup! And it was brilliant - as for not kicking each other - aren't they world champions? :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:


Elaine

David Bailey
24th-November-2005, 09:11 AM
Hmm, that's going to be very interesting.It's weird isn't it, the quality of the singing is soooo much higher this series than previously - before it has frequently been painful to listen to, now they seem to have at least trained their singers. But as that has improved, the choices of music have deteriorated (beginning with SDF) to unimaginable depths of unsuitability. I mean, as you say - 'Pretty Woman' as a tango? Where's the passion, fire and conflict in that? It's just a soppy song with a vaguely suitable bpm.
:yeah: The band and singers are great - they managed to make Pretty Woman tango-able, which to me was a massive achievement. But that choice of music has got to be the weirdest selection ever.

Funny the judges didn't really comment on that - or indeed the music generally, most of the time. You'd think it was an important factor.


I heard from a friend who heard from a friend who might just have a vested interest in knowing these things
Uh-huh... So I've now read on a forum something from someone who heard from a friend who heard from a friend who might just have a vested interest in knowing these things. If that's not gold-plated evidence, what is? :innocent:


- apparently a certain couple are getting a lot fewer public votes than the BBC wants them to, so they are suspected to be having their judges scores bumped up accordingly to keep them at the top, while the opposite applies to everyone's favourite Welshman.[/quote[
I dunno, all these conspiracy theories assume a vast amount of competence amongst the conspirators, and the average BBC producer doesn't strike me as a brilliant Machiavellian arch-manipulator somehow.

The judges are human, and they clearly are swayed by attitude and sentiment, and by past performances.

For example, I think Zoe and Ian did such a good performance at the start, they're riding on that to an extent, the judges are inclined to see the best in them, and maybe forgive a few mistakes along the way.

[QUOTE=ElaineB]Yup! And it was brilliant - as for not kicking each other - aren't they world champions? :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

"World Ten-Dance champions", yes - I think theTen-dance championship is the ISDF (http://www.idsf.net/) thing, yes?

And yes, they were indeed brilliant - and more to the point, came across as normal human beings, rather than that nutty chicken-arm-impression salsa woman and shout-y salsa teacher last week :sad:

Yogi_Bear
24th-November-2005, 09:25 AM
It has been really good to see lots of Argentine Tango in the last couple of weeks, with the group tango demonstration on Saturday and now last night's excellent feature on ITT :worthy: Great to see a couple dancing close to the camera and I'm really pleased I taped the whole programme again. For those who don't know the difference between this and ballroom tango, it was so clearly explained and demonstrated through the dance. I can't wait to the the celebs and partners dancing Argentine tango on Saturday - looking at how the practice has been going, I'd say we are in for a treat. All of this can only raise interest in AT, which is great news....:nice:

robd
24th-November-2005, 09:31 AM
Do any of you men currently learning AT wear a {cricket} box?

Lynn
24th-November-2005, 11:09 AM
Did anyone else see the Tango on ITT tonight :what: :worthy: :worthy: It was FANTASTIC!Loved the AT last night. Really must try to get to a regular class for that next year.

JonD
25th-November-2005, 01:58 AM
Do any of you men currently learning AT wear a {cricket} box?
See this article on "the dreaded flip-up" (http://www.close-embrace.com/malevaarchive/flipup.htm)!

Thankfully, it's never happened to me - and I make a point of not leading ganchos if I've done anything to annoy Julie!

Lynn
25th-November-2005, 11:08 AM
I noticed that Colin Jackson was on the ITV breakfast programme this morning - pity the BBC can't have him on a bit more! He said he loved the learning side of the dances (I can identify with that), he said of course he would love to win (when asked) but didn't appear over confident and was saying how great Zoe was and how much progress Darren had made. His Viennese waltz practice looked good (not that I would know).

Gojive
25th-November-2005, 11:32 AM
Here's the schedule for the next 7 days:



ITT - Fri 25th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
SCD - Sat 26th, BBC1, 18:30 - 19:45
Results - Sat 26th, BBC1, 21:10 - 21:40
ITT - Mon 28th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Tue 29th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Wed 30th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Thu 1st, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00


Enjoy! :waycool:

David Bailey
25th-November-2005, 11:46 AM
See this article on "the dreaded flip-up" (http://www.close-embrace.com/malevaarchive/flipup.htm)!
:rofl: That's a new one on me :eek:

Ballroom queen
26th-November-2005, 12:35 AM
Sorry, should have clarified, I think it looks great for the ladies (and agree Jill did look fantastic), but haven't seen a guy yet (including the pro's) who can make it look good. I'm not disputing the technicalities of the dance, but I just don't think it looks that masculine.


Sorry, I have to disagree, Anton in the first seris was awesome in the Jive.

:worthy: :worthy: :drool:

philsmove
26th-November-2005, 08:49 PM
WOW:worthy: Zoe and Ian were amazing

I think its by by to Patsy

Tiggerbabe
26th-November-2005, 08:52 PM
WOW:worthy: Zoe and Ian were amazing

I think its bye bye to Patsy
And just to be a total girl, Zoe's dress was just
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

I think you're right, Phil, Patsy and Anton will be leaving IMHO (although I did think they danced better in the group Tango).

Thoroughly enjoyed the programme tonight, what a fabulous advert for partner dancing :clap:

David Bailey
26th-November-2005, 09:51 PM
My thoughts:

Bill's clearly now the new Nation's Darling, and I loved his "We're top!" comment. I thought the marks were pretty fair for them.


I think you're right, Phil, Patsy and Anton will be leaving IMHO.
Good thing too - they thoroughly deserved last place, the cha-cha looked awful.

In hindsight, Anton's been carrying Patsy so long now, and I'm amazed at the high marks they got last week. The judges have a soft spot for Anton (well, OK, don't we all), but really they should go.

Strangely, I thought Colin and Erin's VW was pretty poor by his standards - the judges marked him well. But then they marked him badly last week, I guess it evens out...

Colin and Ian: I can't be the only one to notice the extra chemistry between these two can I? Ahem. But yes, their tango was absolutely gorgeous - and done to Proper Tango Music, thank Christ - I can live a full life without ever needing to hear Pretty Woman as a tango again. :sick:

Talking of weird music, "Big Spender?" - foxtrot? That's a weird one, but we all know it's got breaks and interpretation coming out of its backside, so I guess it's sensible.

James and Camilla's waltz was really lovely. Light and sweet, looked really natural.

The Argentinian Tango - hmmm, I really wanted to love this, but I dunno, it was such a let down after last week's demo... And there wasn't any progression, which seemed a bit unnatural to me. Still, it raises the dance's profile, so that's gotta be good news.

Oh God no - I've just checked the BBC website and Strictly Dance Fever is coming back :sick:

WittyBird
26th-November-2005, 10:37 PM
Lilia's hair and dress were stunning :worthy:
Zoe is just amazing...... :D

Colin & Erin still for me tho :waycool:

Tough decision on Bill and Patsy cos I want them both out....

About time Bill went :whistle:

David Bailey
26th-November-2005, 11:03 PM
About time Bill went :whistle:
Your wish is granted :)

Bill's exit speech did bring a bit of a lump to my throat, aww.... :tears:

Still, on the other hand, there's only reasonable-or-better dancers left now.

What on earth is American Smooth? I've never heard of it - and, was I going crazy, or did some of it look a bit MJ-ish? :confused:

Weren't they going to do Lindyhop or something?

The Pussycat Dolls' "Sway" was awesome - I love that track anyway, hopefully we'll be able to dance to it real soon now in lots of MJ places...

WittyBird
26th-November-2005, 11:05 PM
The Pussycat Dolls' "Sway" was awesome - I love that track anyway, hopefully we'll be able to dance to it real soon now in lots of MJ places...

Ditto

Completely agree was so touched by that - its one of my fav's also

Tiggerbabe
26th-November-2005, 11:11 PM
Bill's exit speech did bring a bit of a lump to my throat, aww.... :tears:
Yes, it did :hug: (for Bill and Karen) but I'm amazed that Patsy didn't leave tonight. Pleased for Anton, but still amazed........however *sigh*

What on earth is American Smooth? I've never heard of it - and, was I going crazy, or did some of it look a bit MJ-ish? :confused:
I thought quite a lot of it looked MJ-ish - so I'm with you on the crazyness DJ :wink:

The Pussycat Dolls' "Sway" was awesome - I love that track anyway, hopefully we'll be able to dance to it real soon now in lots of MJ places...
You are joking aren't you ................ come to Scotland, you know you want to :rofl:

Whitebeard
26th-November-2005, 11:15 PM
The Pussycat Dolls' "Sway" was awesome - I love that track anyway, hopefully we'll be able to dance to it real soon now in lots of MJ places...
Even this cantankerous old bugger liked that. Given decent material, that lead singer sounded pretty good. Like you James my lad, I'll look forward to that on the local dancefloor. But how long is the track I wonder?

Tiggerbabe
26th-November-2005, 11:19 PM
Like you James my lad, I'll look forward to that on the local dancefloor. But how long is the track I wonder?
I truly can't believe that it hasn't been being played for months already :eek: .........anyway it's 3.13 :)

David Bailey
26th-November-2005, 11:22 PM
You are joking aren't you ................
No. It's one of my fave tracks, and I know it gets played regularly - I danced to it last night - but I don't think I've danced to that particular version of it.

Although it's difficult to tell, it being "live" (!) and all.

Hmmm, maybe the one I've been dancing to all these months is that version. I dunno, I'm a complete cretin on music* sometimes.

*(Yes, and on lots of other stuff; thanks for mentioning it, all you people in the cheap seats :rolleyes: )

bigdjiver
26th-November-2005, 11:22 PM
...The Pussycat Dolls' "Sway" was awesome - I love that track anyway, hopefully we'll be able to dance to it real soon now in lots of MJ places...We have been dancing to "Sway me" for weeks at Bedford and St Neots. :clap: ( and I have been failing to be swaying, bending and holding at the right places for weeks too ... :tears: ) Now I have the track recorded I can work on it ...

I too am planning to bring bits of the previously unknown "American Smooth" into my dance.

I was sorry to lose Bill's sense of humour, but I can stand another week of Patsy's legs...

and, since James does nothing for me, perhaps two ...

Tiggerbabe
26th-November-2005, 11:31 PM
Hmmm, maybe the one I've been dancing to all these months is that version. I dunno, I'm a complete cretin on music* sometimes.
It's on the "Shall We Dance" soundtrack :D

Whitebeard
26th-November-2005, 11:35 PM
I truly can't believe that it hasn't been being played for months already :eek: .........anyway it's 3.13 :)
Thanks for that, it's reasonable; if I do hear it, in the backwoods here, I'll jump up straightaway. So many modern tracks just seem to drag on for ever that I have developed a tendency to wait a couple of minutes before looking around for a prospective partner; by which time ........

Tiggerbabe
26th-November-2005, 11:36 PM
and, since James does nothing for me, perhaps two ...
Please God, NO! Much as I love Anton, there's no way Patsy deserves to stay over James
(ok, I'll admit it, he's way cuter than Patsy too :whistle: )

Lynn
27th-November-2005, 12:06 AM
I was disappointed to see Bill go, I know he is the weakest dance wise, but I thought Patsy wasn't that great this week and I was enjoying Bill's attitude, esp as you can see that he has been on a journey with learning to dance. I thought his farewell speech was touching (because it was clearly so heartfelt) and his dancing with Arlene was funny!

I enjoyed the group AT - but then I don't know much about AT so it looked good to me for such a short time learning it. I must admit, I'm starting to get very keen to learn AT, it appeals strongly to me. A friend suggested I go on an AT hol with him to Buenos Aires next year, tempting but I can't afford it - but maybe some other time...

Zoe and Ian's tango (to decent music!) was fab, I think doing the AT has fed into their dance this week. And Tiggerbabe, I agree about Zoe's dress, I want it! :drool:

Tiggerbabe
27th-November-2005, 12:46 AM
Tiggerbabe, I agree about Zoe's dress, I want it! :drool:
We could part-own it Lynn, weekender about? :wink:
Now where's my "Dear Santa" list? :innocent:

jivecat
27th-November-2005, 11:33 PM
Bill's exit speech did bring a bit of a lump to my throat, aww.... :tears:
Me too, I must be going soft.


Still, on the other hand, there's only reasonable-or-better dancers left now.Patsy? Reasonable? Maybe I'm just biassed because she's so gobby. And I thought Bill was lovely.


What on earth is American Smooth? I've never heard of it - and, was I going crazy, or did some of it look a bit MJ-ish? :confused:
I've never heard of it either. It didn't seem to have any major distinguishing features, and, yes, most of that stuff would have looked fine in MJ. But then the SCD classic jive often wouldn't.

I thought Erin looked a bit stressed this week. It was bad form, IMO, to complain on camera about unfair treatment, naming names, and I thought they may well lose votes because of it. Somehow the smile isn't quite reaching her eyes.

Yogi_Bear
28th-November-2005, 12:47 AM
American smooth looks rather like the Night Club two step as taught by Paul Warden at Southport....

David Bailey
28th-November-2005, 10:07 AM
Me too, I must be going soft.
:rofl:

Re: American Smooth:

I've never heard of it either. It didn't seem to have any major distinguishing features, and, yes, most of that stuff would have looked fine in MJ. But then the SCD classic jive often wouldn't.
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballroom_dancing) defines "American Smooth" as a generic name for most of what we call the "Ballroom" dances - Waltz, Foxtrot, Tango and Viennese Waltz.

There's a Dancesport article here (http://www.dancesport.uk.com/articles/amsmooth.htm#what)which describes it - to quote:
"American Smooth can be best described as a form of ballroom dancing with an enhanced repertoire of easy to perform, yet exciting steps. "

Hmmm, does that sound familiar?

ElaineB
28th-November-2005, 10:14 AM
Me too, I must be going soft.

Patsy? Reasonable? Maybe I'm just biassed because she's so gobby. And I thought Bill was lovely.


I've never heard of it either. It didn't seem to have any major distinguishing features, and, yes, most of that stuff would have looked fine in MJ. But then the SCD classic jive often wouldn't.

I thought Erin looked a bit stressed this week. It was bad form, IMO, to complain on camera about unfair treatment, naming names, and I thought they may well lose votes because of it. Somehow the smile isn't quite reaching her eyes.

I must confess that Bill went up in my estimation after Saturday night - I was very touched by his 'thank you'!

Patsy was awful, again! So lets hope she is out next week. The other contestants seem to be on more of an even keel, dance wise!

I am sure that the BEEB have got something against Colin and Erin! You surely must have noticed the lack of promoting them? Erin has in the past always been modest and never, ever makes any comments that could be controversial. Perhaps she has finally lost her rag! She also appeared to be echoing comments that a number of us have made on here.

I thought the standard on Saturday was amazing and I can't wait to see next week! :clap: :clap: :clap:


Elaine

David Bailey
28th-November-2005, 10:24 AM
I am sure that the BEEB have got something against Colin and Erin! You surely must have noticed the lack of promoting them?
There was a little bit more about him last week.

But again, you don't know the reasons - it could be just that Colin doesn't want to play the "celeb personal life" game, and wants to win simply by being an extremely good dancer.

Which of course I have to :clap:, but it means he might not be saved by the public voting if he ever has a bad week. Of course, he's never had a bad week, so I guess it works to that extent.

I'm still sticking with Zoe 1st, Colin 2nd and Darren 3rd as my prediction (I know, I'm boring...)

BTW, I just worked out why Patrick Swayze's on ITT tonight, he's promoting this tacky BritCom film he's in of course.

Lynn
28th-November-2005, 11:53 AM
There was a little bit more about him last week.

But again, you don't know the reasons - it could be just that Colin doesn't want to play the "celeb personal life" game, and wants to win simply by being an extremely good dancer. I could see that being possible, but he was on the ITV breakfast programme last Fri morning so its not that he is totally avoiding TV interviews. I really like his attitude, he takes anything negative on board so well and uses it to get better. But I also think he has a strong sense of fair play which is why is he understandably a bit confused and upset by the marking at times. I think that his foxtrot last week was better than Darren's this week, yet Darren's got a higher score.

And OK yes, I'll admit it again, I also like his cute smile and those hips...:wink:



I'm still sticking with Zoe 1st, Colin 2nd and Darren 3rd as my prediction (I know, I'm boring...) :yeah: Though I could see the 2nd and 3rd being very close. But I would really, really like Colin to win.

Tessalicious
28th-November-2005, 11:56 AM
Colin and Ian: I can't be the only one to notice the extra chemistry between these two can I? Ahem.And I can't have been the only one to notice DJ's little typo, surely? Or was there something I missed? :really:

Lynn
28th-November-2005, 11:58 AM
And I can't have been the only one to notice DJ's little typo, surely? Or was there something I missed? :really: :rofl: I didn't notice it. Its not like DJ to make a typo - so what does he know that we don't?!:really:

David Bailey
28th-November-2005, 12:02 PM
:rofl: I didn't notice it. Its not like DJ to make a typo - so what does he know that we don't?!:really:
OK, blimey, one typo, sheesh. :rolleyes:

Yes, obviously I meant Zoe and Ian. So sue me...

Lynn
28th-November-2005, 12:13 PM
Yes, obviously I meant Zoe and Ian. OK, and yes have noticed, I think its adding to their dance partnership, adding that extra level of making the dancing more 'believable'. And I do get the impression they will stay in touch and stay friends after the show.

So sue me...For rep...?:wink:

robd
28th-November-2005, 10:03 PM
American smooth looks rather like the Night Club two step as taught by Paul Warden at Southport....

:yeah:

Gojive
29th-November-2005, 01:00 AM
Oh God no - I've just checked the BBC website and Strictly Dance Fever is coming back :sick:

No worries David, I'll be posting the schedule for SDF each week (assuming I'm still around), so you'll know in advance what not to watch/record :wink:

On to Saturday's show....For the first time in quite a few weeks, I actually think the correct couple left the show. They have been great entertainment over the last 7 weeks, and indeed have produced some nice dances, but Bill has really hit his limit IMO. To put things into context, if this was series 2, after seven weeks of the show we'd have been voting for the three finalists last Saturday!.

Gojive
29th-November-2005, 01:04 AM
{snip}
I thought Erin looked a bit stressed this week. It was bad form, IMO, to complain on camera about unfair treatment, naming names, and I thought they may well lose votes because of it. Somehow the smile isn't quite reaching her eyes.

I know what you mean JC. She's certainly not the sparkling bubbly Erin from series 1 & 2, and does seem to me, to be hiding some sort of unhappiness :sad:

bigdjiver
29th-November-2005, 03:17 AM
Speaking of unhappiness, can anyone tell me what was the content of the single phone call that ended a career? (Until she came out of retirement)

Trish
29th-November-2005, 04:00 PM
Only got round to watching the "American Smooth" dance last night, but what it reminded me of was Nelson and Karen's "Moves from the Musicals" class, ie get a Fred Astaire film, take out the tap dancing/fancy footwork, and that's what you've got. This would also work with the Dancesport description given above I guess.

Loved Bill's speech, and Karen's letter that Claudia read out last night, although I still think they were the right one's to go (and so did they). Patsy next though (IMHO), and then James - after that it's anyone's guess!

DavidB
29th-November-2005, 06:49 PM
American Smooth is ballroom dancing without the restriction to stay in a closed position. Typically open position, shadow position, and turns & free spins for the lady are used. It originated from style of dancing done by Fred Astaire and others in the middle of the last century.

There are 4 main dances - Foxtrot, Waltz, Viennese Waltz & Tango. There are also two other dances - Peabody and Polka - that are sometimes done. (The Peabody is a forerunner of the Quickstep)

There is also American Rhythm, which is their counterpart to Latin American. It includes quite a few dances: Rumba, Cha cha, Mambo, Samba, Merengue, East Coast Swing, West Cost Swing, Hustle, Night-Club two-step & Bolero.

I found the following description of the difference between International Style and American Style:

American style dances were codified with ease of learning (and sales) in mind, and so tend to have patterns that are easier to mix-and-match. Most beginners find the American style easier to learn and to dance socially, since a dancer with only one figure in a dance can be functional (although a bit boring) on the floor, whereas International style dances tend to have smaller patterns which must be fit into longer sequences in order to get to a point where a sequence can be repeated. One way to think of it is that International style patterns are syllables and American style patterns are words you use in forming dance sentences. The International style was also codified more for descriptive clarity than with ease of teaching (or sales) in mind, and so some difficult skills are included fairly early in the syllabus, while the American style builds up to these skills over time. Eventually, the two skill sets are quite similar, the two styles just take two different paths to achieve their goals.

It is very difficult to find anyone teaching American Style outside of the US.

David

David Bailey
29th-November-2005, 08:53 PM
American Smooth is ballroom dancing without the restriction to stay in a closed position. Typically open position, shadow position, and turns & free spins for the lady are used. It originated from style of dancing done by Fred Astaire and others in the middle of the last century.
{ snip other stuff, informative as always }


Yes, that's what I thought - but the way it was described last Sat was as a single dance, which was confusing...

And, errr, I hate to sound like a total dumbie, but does anyone know what dance they were doing in the demonstration on Sat then - American Smooth style Foxtrot?

(I love the name "Peabody" for a dance, BTW, it just sounds so weird...!)

Gojive
1st-December-2005, 09:03 AM
For those that missed ITT last night (and funny it was too - with Bruno doing impressions of Arlene and Craig :rofl: ), here's what dances we can expect on Saturday...

Colin & Erin - Rumba
Darren & Lilia - Rumba
Patsy & Anton - Jive
James & Camilla - Samba
Zoe & Ian - Cha Cha Cha

So all Latin then!

In addition, they will be performing the American Smooth (I believe as a group), and the judges will be marking them on it!

TV Schedule to come tomorrow morning :)

David Bailey
1st-December-2005, 10:42 AM
here's what dances we can expect on Saturday...

Colin & Erin - Rumba
Darren & Lilia - Rumba
Patsy & Anton - Jive
James & Camilla - Samba
Zoe & Ian - Cha Cha Cha

So all Latin then!

Yay!!!

I'd love to see Colin-Erin and Darren-Lilia go head-to-head on the rumba. Colin can't just rely on the body-rolls, and Darren (surprisingly) has got some hip action going judging by his salsa.

Unless one of the Top 3 makes a mistake, it's almost gotta be Patsy-Anton or James-Camilla out this week; my money's on Patsy-Anton.

[QUOTE=Gojive]In addition, they will be performing the American Smooth (I believe as a group), and the judges will be marking them on it![/quiote]
I'm not sure - I got the impression they were doing American Smooth singles, possibly each choosing one of the Smooth dances? Certainly it'd be very difficult to judge all of them that precisely in a group dance...

Gojive
1st-December-2005, 11:10 AM
I'm not sure - I got the impression they were doing American Smooth singles, possibly each choosing one of the Smooth dances? Certainly it'd be very difficult to judge all of them that precisely in a group dance...

You may well be right David - in fact come to think of it, I don't think we've seen any training footage of them as a group this week, so yes, it certainly looks more like singles :)



Unless one of the Top 3 makes a mistake, it's almost gotta be Patsy-Anton or James-Camilla out this week; my money's on Patsy-Anton.

Very tough to call this week. We're at that stage where the the 3rd or even 2nd placed couple could easily be sucked to the bottom by being in no-man's land. For a bit of fun though, I've ranked the couples in order of how I think the judges will mark them, and then how I think the public will mark them (pts alongside)

Judges for Latin

Zoe and Iain 5
Colin and Erin 4
Patsy and Anton 3
Darren and Lilia 2
James and Camilla 1

Judges for American Smooth
Zoe and Ian 5
James and Camilla 4
Darren and Lillia 3
Colin and Erin 2
Patsy and Anton 1

Public vote
Darren and Lilia 5
Zoe and Ian 4
James and Camilla 3
Colin and Erin 2
Patsy and Anton 1

So total points would be

Zoe and Ian 14
Darren and Lilia 10
Colin and Erin 8
James and Camilla 8
Patsy and Anton 5

So, my money too, is on Patsy and Anton.

Anyone else want to have a stab at it?

Trish
1st-December-2005, 06:01 PM
Interesting guesses Gojive - you could well be right, and I think I agree with most of your prediction. No, I'm not analytical enough to make a prediction, although I'd put Anton higher up the rankings for American Smooth, as from what Len was saying last night the guys are the ones that really have to look in control of it, and it is really Anton's style. Also I think Cha Cha cha may not be Zoe's dance, as she likes the ballroom stuff generally better than the latin.

I think the people interested in dance rather than personalities will start voting a bit more at this point, so Colin and Erin could get better placings, as they won't want to see them knocked out. If anyone can work me out a prediction from what I've said, then feel free!!

doc martin
1st-December-2005, 06:17 PM
**snip some scores**

So, my money too, is on Patsy and Anton.

Anyone else want to have a stab at it?
I won't disagree with your figures, but with the way you get the results from them. I think it is unlikely that the importance of the judges vote would be increased to be greater than that of the public.

In that case you need to do some sort of averaging of the judges scores first. The most likely method is to add up the scores from the two dances to get a ranking for the couples. This makes forecasting more difficult as one good and one bad dance could beat two average dances (or all sorts of other possibilities could mess things up).

I still think Patsy and Anton will go, but it may not be as clear cut as your numbers suggest.

Gojive
1st-December-2005, 06:28 PM
Interesting guesses Gojive - you could well be right, and I think I agree with most of your prediction. No, I'm not analytical enough to make a prediction, although I'd put Anton higher up the rankings for American Smooth, as from what Len was saying last night the guys are the ones that really have to look in control of it, and it is really Anton's style. Also I think Cha Cha cha may not be Zoe's dance, as she likes the ballroom stuff generally better than the latin.

I think the people interested in dance rather than personalities will start voting a bit more at this point, so Colin and Erin could get better placings, as they won't want to see them knocked out. If anyone can work me out a prediction from what I've said, then feel free!!

Yes, they really are just guesses, but made with recent performances, judges comments, training footage, and forum feedback in mind :) . Still guesses though :innocent:

Anton as you say, is like to look good in the AS, but I fear Patsy may let him down (again). Zoe - true, you may be right :) .

*If* the dance side of voting reasoning starts to gain momentum, then yes I agree, Colin will be higher with the public - but I still have that horror memory of Christopher Parker being voted to the final of series 1 :eek:

:cheers:

Gojive
1st-December-2005, 06:34 PM
I won't disagree with your figures, but with the way you get the results from them. I think it is unlikely that the importance of the judges vote would be increased to be greater than that of the public.

In that case you need to do some sort of averaging of the judges scores first. The most likely method is to add up the scores from the two dances to get a ranking for the couples. This makes forecasting more difficult as one good and one bad dance could beat two average dances (or all sorts of other possibilities could mess things up).

I still think Patsy and Anton will go, but it may not be as clear cut as your numbers suggest.

I think I see what you're saying re the judges scores Doc...so if I have understood, then the scoring would be...

Judges (total for both dances in brackets)
Zoe & Ian (10) 5
Colin & Erin (6) 4
Darren & Lilia (5) 3
James & Camilla (5) 2
Patsy & Anton (4) 1

Public vote
Darren and Lilia 5
Zoe and Ian 4
James and Camilla 3
Colin and Erin 2
Patsy and Anton 1

Giving totals of:

Zoe & Ian 9
Colin & Erin 6
Darren & Lilia 8
James & Camilla 5
Patsy & Anton 2

...perhaps? :)

:cheers:

doc martin
1st-December-2005, 07:06 PM
I think I see what you're saying re the judges scores Doc...so if I have understood, then the scoring would be...
**snip scores**
I was thinking more like this....

Judges marks for Latin.......American Smooth..............Total..........Points
Zoe & Ian ...........36................36................... ........72................5
Colin & Erin..........34................30................ ...........64................3
Darren & Lilia........32................33................. ..........65................4
James & Camilla.....30................33.................. ........63.................2
Patsy & Anton.......28................28.................. .......56.................1

(I wish you could insert tables)

Public vote
Darren and Lilia 5
Zoe and Ian 4
James and Camilla 3
Colin and Erin 2
Patsy and Anton 1

Giving totals of:

Zoe & Ian 9
Colin & Erin 5
Darren & Lilia 9
James & Camilla 5
Patsy & Anton 2

In this example it does not affect the result, but it makes the public vote as important as the two dances combined, so could easily affect the outcome.

Lynn
1st-December-2005, 09:12 PM
Didn't get home tonight till 7:30pm and missed ITT. :tears: What did I miss?

Gojive
1st-December-2005, 09:59 PM
Didn't get home tonight till 7:30pm and missed ITT. :tears: What did I miss?

A reasonably good show Lynn. Nice round up of the training by Craig (and very fair and reasonable it seemed too), Ian and Anton as guests, with Anton being his usual witty self, and news that Zoe missed training today through illness. Oh yes, and there was somebody from a tabloid giving his tuppence worth, but to be honest I switched off from him.

Gojive
1st-December-2005, 10:02 PM
I was thinking more like this....

Judges marks for Latin.......American Smooth..............Total..........Points
Zoe & Ian ...........36................36................... ........72................5
Colin & Erin..........34................30................ ...........64................3
Darren & Lilia........32................33................. ..........65................4
James & Camilla.....30................33.................. ........63.................2
Patsy & Anton.......28................28.................. .......56.................1


Ah! Gotcha :) . Yes, I think you're right actually Doc. I seem to remember this system being used in series 2.



(I wish you could insert tables)

:yeah: It's a right pain trying to do the TV Schedule on here each week!. I bodge it by using the {code} tag.

:cheers:

Lynn
1st-December-2005, 10:07 PM
A reasonably good show Lynn. Nice round up of the training by Craig (and very fair and reasonable it seemed too)... Thanks. :flower:

Yes, I thought I had missed Craig's overview of the training. I'll make sure I see it tomorrow night and video it on Sat.

Ballroom queen
1st-December-2005, 10:59 PM
I love Anton, he is so funny, and I'd love to dance with him. However, I think (IMHO) that Patsy is crap. They really should go. (I thought Bill deserved to stay, but was so happy that Anton stayed as he was in a good mood after the show and I had my photo taken with him in that pink shirt)

anton has a HUGE fan base of his own - I looked at the digital spy forum that Claudia goes on about, he has over 1000 postings on a single "we love Anton" thread. This could affect the results!!!!!!!!

Oh dear

Gojive
2nd-December-2005, 11:12 AM
Here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days, starting today:



ITT - Fri 2nd, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
SCD - Sat 3rd, BBC1, 18:25 - 19:40
Results - Sat 3rd, BBC1, 21:10 - 21:40
ITT - Mon 5th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Tue 6th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Wed 7th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Thu 8th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00

Note the slightly earlier time for Saturday's show than of late.

And a reminder of who's dancing what:

Colin & Erin - Rumba
Darren & Lilia - Rumba
Patsy & Anton - Jive
James & Camilla - Samba
Zoe & Ian - Cha Cha Cha

Enjoy :waycool:

ElaineB
2nd-December-2005, 01:06 PM
Here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days, starting today:



ITT - Fri 2nd, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
SCD - Sat 3rd, BBC1, 18:25 - 19:40
Results - Sat 3rd, BBC1, 21:10 - 21:40
ITT - Mon 5th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Tue 6th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Wed 7th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Thu 8th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00

Note the slightly earlier time for Saturday's show than of late.

And a reminder of who's dancing what:

Colin & Erin - Rumba
Darren & Lilia - Rumba
Patsy & Anton - Jive
James & Camilla - Samba
Zoe & Ian - Cha Cha Cha

Enjoy :waycool:

Thanks for the reminder GoJive - I am out tomorrow night, so will set my video!!! I will have to vote based on the practices though as I will miss the event going out live.


Elaine

Trish
2nd-December-2005, 04:56 PM
Yes, they really are just guesses, but made with recent performances, judges comments, training footage, and forum feedback in mind :) . Still guesses though :innocent:

Anton as you say, is like to look good in the AS, but I fear Patsy may let him down (again). Zoe - true, you may be right :) .

*If* the dance side of voting reasoning starts to gain momentum, then yes I agree, Colin will be higher with the public - but I still have that horror memory of Christopher Parker being voted to the final of series 1 :eek:

:cheers:

Well Patsy and James are clearly the worst of what's left, and they are in no way as bad a Chris Parker - so any final should be fairly good, and I also think that despite Anton's fan base, which I agree must be pretty big, most muggles that I've spoken to (and certainly most dancers) want to see Colin, Darren and Zoe in the final, so if we all vote...

I can't see James doing a great Samba though, so perhaps he'll be out, here's another scenario - How about:

Judges marks for Latin.......American Smooth..............Total..........Points
Zoe & Ian ...........35................36................... ........71................5
Colin & Erin..........36................34................ ...........70................3
Darren & Lilia........35................35................. ..........70................3
Patsy & Anton.......28................32.................. ...... .60.................2
James & Camilla.....20.................32................. ........ 52.................1

Can't remember do they give them 3 points rather than 4 if they tie?

So using the public vote from below that means:

Public vote
Darren and Lilia 5
Zoe and Ian 4
James and Camilla 3
Colin and Erin 2
Patsy and Anton 1

Giving totals of:

Zoe & Ian 9
Darren & Lilia 8
Colin & Erin 5
James & Camilla 4
Patsy & Anton 3

Which actually still means Patsy's out! - interesting how much the public vote makes a difference.

How about:

Public vote
Darren and Lilia 5
Zoe and Ian 4
Colin and Erin 3
Patsy and Anton 2
James and Camilla 1


Giving totals of:

Zoe & Ian 10
Darren & Lilia 7
Colin & Erin 6
Patsy & Anton 4
James & Camilla 2

Who knows? The judges are actually easier to guess at!

David Franklin
2nd-December-2005, 05:13 PM
Can't remember do they give them 3 points rather than 4 if they tie?In the event of a tie, they would both get 4 marks. E.g. 5,4,4,2,1 rather than 5,3,3,2,1.


Who knows? The judges are actually easier to guess at!The public vote is very hard to judge. It is absolutely certain that in the program two weeks ago, Bill came at least 3rd and Patsy came at best 5th in the public vote. The following week, with Bill scoring higher than Patsy with the judges, Patsy wins and Bill goes out! I was not expecting that! :tears:

Chicklet
3rd-December-2005, 08:54 PM
So is that the dark horse getting a nose in front on the rails tonight??????
Can he actually win now?
I'd like to think so.:drool:

Tiggerbabe
3rd-December-2005, 08:57 PM
I'm glad that Colin and Erin got the edge with the judges tonight as they were absolutely fab!

Think it'll be very close as to who leaves, but, sorry Anton :blush:, I'm hoping that James gets to stay :hug:

Tiggerbabe
3rd-December-2005, 09:01 PM
And am I the only person who wishes they'd hide the make-up lady's pot of dark grey eyeshadow? :eek: :sick:
Zoe's make up looked more natural but Patsy, why did they do that to her? :tears:

Minnie M
3rd-December-2005, 09:14 PM
And am I the only person who wishes they'd hide the make-up lady's pot of dark grey eyeshadow? :eek: :sick:
Zoe's make up looked more natural but Patsy, why did they do that to her? :tears:
:yeah: :what: I agree - Patsy's make-up tonight was dire ! Real shame especially with her colouring :sad:

David Bailey
3rd-December-2005, 09:19 PM
So is that the dark horse getting a nose in front on the rails tonight??????
Can he actually win now?
I'd like to think so.:drool:
I think it's barely conceivable.

Colin and Erin danced their socks off tonight. The rumba was awesome - OK, I know, I always say that, but he just looked so damned good. And still no 10s. The Smooth was as good or better - and still only one 10? :confused:

Zoe and Ian did a very pedestrian cha-cha, but still they get 32 - including, and this is amazing, a 9 from Bruno, the same as he gave Colin's Rumba. I wasn't that impressed with their waltz, even - and still they got 36 for that :rolleyes:

It just shows, at the top level, the absolute mountain a male celeb has to climb, it's that extra inbuilt 1 point-out-of-10 difference which is just so hard to overcome. I believe Arlene said that's the first time a male celeb has ever got a 10, is that right?

Darren, I thought it was unfair to compare him with Colin - but then, that's life. I loved the American Smooth Darren did, though, and I thought that deserved more than 32.

Others: sorry, but James & Camilla, and Patsy and Anton, are both clearly only hanging on by threads, and neither of them should be in the finals.

For results... Hmmm, I'd love to say Colin's ahead, but I dunno. He had a good week, and Zoe had a bad one - and even then she averaged 34. Having said all that, Colin's still improving week-by-week, he's definitely performing better every time, so who knows?

I can't find the latest odds (stupid bloody gambling web sites, I'm going to strongly recommend Ladbrokes puts a search engine in theirs...), but I think Colin's worth a punt now. It's definitely a real competition now.

David Franklin
3rd-December-2005, 09:28 PM
I'm glad that Colin and Erin got the edge with the judges tonight as they were absolutely fab!:yeah: But it's still like pulling teeth for some of the judges to mark Colin/Erin over Zoe/Ian.

Bruno gave Zoe a 9 for the cha-cha, same as Colin for the American smooth! :angry: Even Ian looked a bit embarrassed at that!

Of course, you could say it's all the authentic ballroom experience, with the judges marking on personal likes and reputations rather than the actual dancing. :devil:


Think it'll be very close as to who leaves, but, sorry Anton :blush:, I'm hoping that James gets to stay :hug:I would rather James stayed, but I'd have to say Patsy and Anton were better on the night. I think James was very unlucky to get the samba tonight - in previous weeks he'd probably have got away with it, but the weak links are all gone now.

David Franklin
3rd-December-2005, 09:44 PM
It just shows, at the top level, the absolute mountain a male celeb has to climb, it's that extra inbuilt 1 point-out-of-10 difference which is just so hard to overcome. I believe Arlene said that's the first time a male celeb has ever got a 10, is that right?My last post crossed with yours, but I think we're generally in agreement. However, at this point I don't think you can even put it down to the judges not making allowances for it being harder for the male celebs. The judges have only praise for Colin, but then they don't give him the marks they would give Zoe for the same performance. I can see giving a slight edge to the "prettier" couple if everything else is equal, but this goes a long way beyond that IMHO.


For results... Hmmm, I'd love to say Colin's ahead, but I dunno. He had a good week, and Zoe had a bad one - and even then she averaged 34. Having said all that, Colin's still improving week-by-week, he's definitely performing better every time, so who knows?I think there are a couple of grains of comfort. After Colin's Foxtrot v.s. Zoe's Quickstep there was a lot of criticism of the judging, and they found themselves having to justify their marking on ITT. So possibly Bruno is going to get called on his 'infatuation' this week, and maybe it will make him think twice. Secondly, I think a lot of the viewers can make up their own minds, especially when the judges keep saying Colin is brilliant and then marking him below Zoe. And in the end, the viewer vote is what counts...

Tiggerbabe
3rd-December-2005, 09:56 PM
I can see giving a slight edge to the "prettier" couple if everything else is equal, but this goes a long way beyond that IMHO.

I agree that Colin and Erin seem to get loads of praise and the marks don't match up to those of Zoe and Ian, and after all, Colin and Erin are "pretty" too :D

David Bailey
3rd-December-2005, 10:04 PM
My last post crossed with yours, but I think we're generally in agreement.
Our minds are becoming one... cue spooky music.


So possibly Bruno is going to get called on his 'infatuation' this week
Absolutely - 9 for their cha-cha, it was embarassing. I also think the crowd were so much behind Colin and Erin, especially in their American Smooth - that support's just got to have an impact, both on Colin's dancing and on the judges.

I'm almost tempted to break my "never vote for TV shows" rule in the finals and vote for him...

Feelingpink
3rd-December-2005, 10:37 PM
I voted for Colin & Erin - thought they looked so good - Zoe & Ian were not worth 9s.

But Sir Cliff Richard in black leather - eeeewwwwwwwwww - what WAS he thinking? :sick:

David Franklin
3rd-December-2005, 10:43 PM
Very interesting voting. Only six ways the votes could have come out, and we get the following distribution:

Votes: 1 2 3 4 5
colin 0 0 3 2 1
zoe 4 2 0 0 0
darren 0 0 3 2 1
patsy 2 4 0 0 0
james 0 0 0 2 4
In particular, Zoe must have got less votes than anyone else remaining.

Minnie M
3rd-December-2005, 10:52 PM
IBut Sir Cliff Richard in black leather - eeeewwwwwwwwww - what WAS he thinking? :sick:
:yeah: :blush: :sick:

Ballroom queen
3rd-December-2005, 10:54 PM
what does a guy have to do to get 40? The judges said it was fab, but he got 9's.

I think he suffered by being first. Lets hope he's last next week.

Has anyone been taking notes? Is the going first / last fairly rotated? From a comment Darren made on ITT I don't think it is.

David Bailey
3rd-December-2005, 10:58 PM
In particular, Zoe must have got less votes than anyone else remaining.
No kidding... I was shocked to see them in the bottom two, they must have no-one voting for them.

It makes it a good question as to whether they'll even make the finals with that little public support. Of course, the Patsy / Anton votes will be distributed around the others, but there's no guarantee they'll be even close to evenly distributed.

And with 4 couples, the difference between the top and the bottom is much less in terms of position.

I'd be gutted if Zoe / Ian were out next week - it'd be a travesty, they've been consistently superb. I wasn't too surprised that James and Camilla got through, they've clearly got a hell of a lot of votes; and I did think James was marked down a bit much tonight. But really, there are two superb couples, one good one, and one average one left now.

Oh yes, and Bruno's description of James' dance: "Like a whippet running around a lamp-post" - :rofl:


what does a guy have to do to get 40?
:yeah: I think you have to be so perfect as to be unbeatable - effectively, you need to get a 11 to get a 10 as a guy...


I think he suffered by being first. Lets hope he's last next week.
Actually, no - I think he benefitted from being first (and being so good) - it must have had an intimidating effect on the others. And yes, I think the order is rotated.

Minnie M
3rd-December-2005, 11:00 PM
Wonder how they would do if they changed partners :really:

Colin is amazing, a natural dancer - it would great if he took Arleen's offer up :clap:

David Franklin
3rd-December-2005, 11:10 PM
No kidding... I was shocked to see them in the bottom two, they must have no-one voting for them.Not true - it's entirely possible she might have got more votes than Patsy. (The voting could have been James, Colin, Darren, Zoe, Patsy or James, Darren, Colin, Zoe, Patsy). After all, God knows, I can't stand Patsy!


I'd be gutted if Zoe / Ian were out next week - it'd be a travesty, they've been consistently superb. I wasn't too surprised that James and Camilla got through, they've clearly got a hell of a lot of votes; and I did think James was marked down a bit much tonight. But really, there are two superb couples, one good one, and one average one left now.I think an awful lot of people agree with you, and there's usually a "rebound" effect if someone good ends up in the bottom two. I'll be very surprised if Zoe goes out next week. I'm worried James might stay in at the expense of Colin or Darren though.


Actually, no - I think he benefitted from being first (and being so good) - it must have had an intimidating effect on the others. And yes, I think the order is rotated.I do think it would have been difficult to give him 10s as the first dancer - you'd be in a difficult position if someone followed with an even better performance. Doesn't mean they didn't over mark Zoe as usual. (Sulk).

Tiggerbabe
3rd-December-2005, 11:26 PM
I'm worried James might stay in at the expense of Colin or Darren though.
I hope that doesn't happen.
I really think that James will have to pull a blinder to stay in next week.
I'm sure that the judges over-marking of Zoe and Ian had a direct effect on the public vote and also the horrid comments they made to James (no matter how correct they were :( ) would only have made his fans more determined to keep him in.

Colin was fab and I just love watching Darren dance. All in all, it's been a great series :clap: :clap:

Ballroom queen
3rd-December-2005, 11:59 PM
Actually, no - I think he benefitted from being first (and being so good) - it must have had an intimidating effect on the others. And yes, I think the order is rotated.

maybe, but had he been last and done the same, IMHO he would have got more 10's.
Not that it makes any difference as its the ranking that counts.

Andy McGregor
4th-December-2005, 12:24 AM
No kidding... I was shocked to see them in the bottom two, they must have no-one voting for them.Sue and I voted for them. In fact we voted for everyone except Patsy and Anton ...

Lynn
4th-December-2005, 12:54 AM
I'm almost tempted to break my "never vote for TV shows" rule in the finals and vote for him...I will be doing that. I didn't tonight as I was out - but I will be voting for Colin. I would love him to win as I think he's the best male celeb there has been in any of the series and I also think he has been more consistently good than Zoe. I would be very disappointed if James made the final, though as I think Zoe and Darren should also be in the final.

David Franklin
4th-December-2005, 02:05 AM
According to the Digital Spy forum, next weeks dances are:


Colin and Erin - JIVE + WALTZ

Darren and Lilia - SAMBA + WALTZ

Zoe and Ian - PASO DOBLE + VIENNESE WALTZ

James and camilla - RUMBA + FOXTROT
My (somewhat cynical) predictions:

Colin will do the best male jive ever seen on SCD, but only get 8's from the judges. Then the judges will moan about his pivots bobbing in the waltz despite everything else being exceptional and give 8's again.

Darren will really struggle with the Samba - not his style at all. But at this stage the judges won't give less than 6's and 7's. Waltz will be better, but not as good as Colin's - 7's and 8's.

Zoe will have a great Paso and probably get 4 tens from the judges, who will be desperate to prop her scores after this week. Viennese Waltz will be good but not outstanding and get 9's and 10's.

James will do a good rumba - 8's, maybe a couple of 9's. In the foxtrot he'll suffer due to his 'stiff neck' but still get 8's.

[Upon re-reading the above, I can't really believe the judges will go that far. But I'm pretty disgusted with them at this point...]

Lynn
4th-December-2005, 04:58 AM
I would love him to win as I think he's the best male celeb there has been in any of the series...I posted that (from my office) before I had seen tonights show. Just watched it and I now think that if Colin doesn't win, then no male celeb ever will! Their rumba was just :drool: , the control and some of the shapes they made were so good, and I thought their American Smooth routine showed by far the most musicality.

I'm actually starting to be really put off Zoe and Ian because of the judges attitude. I think they could come out on the floor and do a hopscotch down the room and still get 8s and 9s.

Feelingpink
4th-December-2005, 10:08 AM
Very interesting voting. Only six ways the votes could have come out, and we get the following distribution:

Votes: 1 2 3 4 5
colin 0 0 3 2 1
zoe 4 2 0 0 0
darren 0 0 3 2 1
patsy 2 4 0 0 0
james 0 0 0 2 4
In particular, Zoe must have got less votes than anyone else remaining.Perhaps an awful lots of the SCD audience are as pi**ed off as any of us are about the biased judging and are making their thoughts known - picking up the phone whereas if it seemed more accurate, they might not. They said they had a record one million votes last night.

Ballroom queen
4th-December-2005, 11:30 AM
....snip...
My (somewhat cynical) predictions:....
snip....
[Upon re-reading the above, I can't really believe the judges will go that far. But I'm pretty disgusted with them at this point...]
:yeah: :yeah:
A lot of Anton fans are not James fans, lets hope everyone votes for 3 people nest week, ie Zoe, Darren, Colin - I think its the only way!

And do the judges not realise that by being really rude it gets votes - even Brucie commented on it!!!

And I don't know why the audience stood up after Zoe and not after Colin, they tell you SO many times no standing. The noise from the audience after Colin was huge. I reckon Zoe's husband decided to stand up and others followed as it was the end of the show and they could more likely get away with it.

ElaineB
4th-December-2005, 12:26 PM
I posted that (from my office) before I had seen tonights show. Just watched it and I now think that if Colin doesn't win, then no male celeb ever will! Their rumba was just :drool: , the control and some of the shapes they made were so good, and I thought their American Smooth routine showed by far the most musicality.

I'm actually starting to be really put off Zoe and Ian because of the judges attitude. I think they could come out on the floor and do a hopscotch down the room and still get 8s and 9s.

:yeah:

I was out last night and have just watched the recording. Colin and Erin were just superb in the Rhumba and as for the American Smooth, it was perfection! They should have been a clear two points above anyone else for both sections!

I agree about the voting - the Judges clearly have a 'thing' for Zoe and Ian and this could backfire. My choices for the final are Colin, Zoe and Darren, but with all the hype for Zoe from the Judges, the Public could end up not voting for them again next week.

Over all the weeks Colin has been consistant and in my eyes he is already the winner :clap: :clap: :clap:


Elaine

Lynn
4th-December-2005, 02:20 PM
I reckon Zoe's husband decided to stand up and others followed as it was the end of the show and they could more likely get away with it.I thought that too! Far enough, he was probably very proud of her doing so well after being ill this week. I agree that the crowd were keener on Colin's, and it was a better dance.

I agree with Elaine, I would like to see Colin, Zoe, Darren as the placings. I think the gap between Colin and Darren was more evident last night, perhaps esp as they were doing the same dance, and the gap between Darren and James was more noticeable as well. Probably because they all did both latin and ballroom, it was easier to compare them, and Colin clearly stood out as the best.

jivecat
4th-December-2005, 11:58 PM
Delighted that Patsy is out, I thought she was terrible. James isn't brilliant either, but doesn't spoil the overall look of the dance like she does.

Entirely agree about the overmarking of Zoe & Ian, it must be causing some tension behind the scenes by now. I'm getting a bit bored with seeing Zoe looking tearful, but I assumed it would be a vote winner. Apparently not.

BTW I was assuming the couples are called out in the results show in the strict order according to total scores. I couldn't quite believe it, wondered if the producers had done it in that order to heighten dramatic tension?

As well as the dancing I loved Erin's silvery dress with the black raggy thing on.

I haven't voted so far but will from now on, for Colin and Erin.

robd
5th-December-2005, 10:39 AM
Paranoia corner - rewatching the show yesterday, after Zoe & Ian's Smooth the camera did quite a wide shot and took in the judges swapping pieces of paper between one another and Arleen in particular looking v guilty. What was going on there?

Colin - Superb

Darren - I know the judges go on about his hands but surely that's a much easier thing to sort than the harder things that he does get right.

I feel sorry for Ian as I think he is great and he is getting the anti-Zoe backlash through no fault of his own.

James - yes, he was poor but he did an excellent lift that I don't think got the credit it deserved

Anton is great value but with Patsy as a partner was never going to be in with a serious shout.

And as for Lilia, that is one sexy lady :drool:

Lynn
5th-December-2005, 11:20 AM
BTW I was assuming the couples are called out in the results show in the strict order according to total scores. I couldn't quite believe it, wondered if the producers had done it in that order to heighten dramatic tension? They always say 'the couples going through, in no particular order' but I'm not sure how they actually select the order they will be called out.

Trish
5th-December-2005, 12:07 PM
Paranoia corner - rewatching the show yesterday, after Zoe & Ian's Smooth the camera did quite a wide shot and took in the judges swapping pieces of paper between one another and Arleen in particular looking v guilty. What was going on there?

Didn't see that Rob - I'll have to re-watch it tonight. I could re-watch Colin for hours! :drool:

I agree with everyone else really. Colin and Erin were fantastic and didn't get the marks they deserved and Zoe and Ian were overmarked especially by Bruno. Glad Colin did at least get one 10, although he deserved more.

As far as the public vote goes though, I would guess that Zoe suffered from not being right at the top to be safe, and not being bottom/having nasty things said about her to get the sympathy vote - I'd be surprised if she went out next week, but I hope James doesn't stay in over Darren (or come to that Colin!).


Colin and Erin - JIVE + WALTZ

Darren and Lilia - SAMBA + WALTZ

Zoe and Ian - PASO DOBLE + VIENNESE WALTZ

James and camilla - RUMBA + FOXTROT

Thanks for that information David

With any luck Erin and Colin will work really hard on his pivot turns (is that the right technical term?) and get them perfectly smooth, so the judges don't have that to pick on. Looking forward to his jive though, hope he does a good one (well it's got to be better than James or Darren's!) I can't imagine James will do the best rumba, but no doubt Zoe will do a good Paso Doble if she's back to health, Darren doing the Samba might not be too great either. Really looking forward to next week now though!

jivecat
5th-December-2005, 03:03 PM
Paranoia corner - rewatching the show yesterday, after Zoe & Ian's Smooth the camera did quite a wide shot and took in the judges swapping pieces of paper between one another and Arleen in particular looking v guilty. What was going on there?

We'll all be re-running our videos now!



James - yes, he was poor but he did an excellent lift that I don't think got the credit it deserved



Not sure about this, there was quite a bit of fumbling around as he grabbed hold of her legs once she was on his shoulder, maybe her skirt was getting in the way. The camera caught him full-on at this point. Must have been quite unnerving for the poor girl.

David Franklin
5th-December-2005, 03:20 PM
Not sure about this, there was quite a bit of fumbling around as he grabbed hold of her legs once she was on his shoulder, maybe her skirt was getting in the way. The camera caught him full-on at this point. Must have been quite unnerving for the poor girl.Am I mad? I just looked to check, and I can't see any fumbling for her legs (and barring dislocating his shoulders I can't see how there could be). Fumbling for her arms, sure - but it was only for a moment, and that is very difficult to avoid without a lot of practice (and as you say, the dress can get in the way and that is very hard to predict).

jivecat
6th-December-2005, 02:15 AM
Am I mad? I just looked to check, and I can't see any fumbling for her legs (and barring dislocating his shoulders I can't see how there could be). Fumbling for her arms, sure - but it was only for a moment, and that is very difficult to avoid without a lot of practice (and as you say, the dress can get in the way and that is very hard to predict).
No you're not mad, I am, or at least blind. When I saw it again this evening I thought, whoops, it was her arms, hope nobody reads these posts. Perhaps I need a basic course in anatomy, I think I was visualising him in my memory with her over his shoulder like a plank of wood. :blush: :really: Sorry 'bout that.

David Bailey
6th-December-2005, 08:44 AM
Paranoia corner - rewatching the show yesterday, after Zoe & Ian's Smooth the camera did quite a wide shot and took in the judges swapping pieces of paper between one another and Arleen in particular looking v guilty. What was going on there?

More paranoia from ITT last night - did anyone else notice that when they showed the "hairdressers voting panel thing" ( :rolleyes: ), there was no footage of Colin and Erin? :confused:

Perversely, I'm actually now hoping they'll try to promote Zoe and Ian a bit more, because I really don't want them to go out next week; it'd be massively unfair.

Lynn
6th-December-2005, 10:56 AM
More paranoia from ITT last night - did anyone else notice that when they showed the "hairdressers voting panel thing" ( :rolleyes: ), there was no footage of Colin and Erin? :confused: I noticed that too. I thought it was maybe because there were no particularly interesting/extreme/entertaining comments to show, but I suppose there could be other reasons.

Lynn
7th-December-2005, 05:44 PM
I didn't like Lilia saying on ITT last night that their position was due to there being 'judges favourites' - which she then said were Colin and Erin. She also mentioned Zoe and Ian after that, and I agree they seem to have been given slightly better than deserved marks sometimes, but I think that Colin and Erin if anything have been undermarked some weeks. She was implying that this was why she and Darren were always third with the judges, because the other two couples were judges favourites, not because they had danced better. I thought it didn't reflect well on her and Darren at all to be saying things like that.

David Franklin
7th-December-2005, 05:55 PM
I didn't like Lilia saying on ITT last night that their position was due to there being 'judges favourites' - which she then said were Colin and Erin. She also mentioned Zoe and Ian after that, and I agree they seem to have been given slightly better than deserved marks sometimes, but I think that Colin and Erin if anything have been undermarked some weeks. She was implying that this was why she and Darren were always third with the judges, because the other two couples were judges favourites, not because they had danced better. I thought it didn't reflect well on her and Darren at all to be saying things like that.To be fair here (and Bryony and I are both hoping Colin wins), I think Lilia was having to tread a very fine line (and with English not being her first language). Although the initial statement sounded a bit odd, I think her meaning was rather that Colin and Zoe's performances were doing what the judges were looking for, so yes they get scored higher (contrast with whatever she tries with Darren's arms the judges don't like them). And in the discussion she was also trying to get across (without naming names) that she and Darren were clearly better than James, and she was really worried about being the "3rd best" again and going out to a sympathy vote.

Seriously, what we took from the entire interview was that Lilia thinks she and Darren are the 3rd best couple after Colin/Erin and Zoe/Ian, and close enough to either of them to have a fighting chance. And I'd say that's a very fair assessment.

I'd agree there was a big of a niggle at the judges impartiality, but no more than that.

David Bailey
7th-December-2005, 07:52 PM
I didn't like Lilia saying on ITT last night that their position was due to there being 'judges favourites' - which she then said were Colin and Erin. She also mentioned Zoe and Ian after that, and I agree they seem to have been given slightly better than deserved marks sometimes, but I think that Colin and Erin if anything have been undermarked some weeks. She was implying that this was why she and Darren were always third with the judges, because the other two couples were judges favourites, not because they had danced better. I thought it didn't reflect well on her and Darren at all to be saying things like that.
I agree, it wasn't a clever turn of phrase.

But, hey, it's live TV, people make mistakes in phrasing, even the celebs - witness Patsy and her big mouth a few weeks back.

And although lots of us seem to think the judges are maybe a little biased towards Z&I, I don't believe many people think they're biased towards C&E at all - so it came across as a bit sour-grape-y.

On the other hand, I agree that she must be feeling the strain, and it was a gross injustice this time last year when she and Aled were voted out, and Julian and Erin somehow got through to the final - so she's only human enough to feel stressed about it.

Lynn
7th-December-2005, 08:22 PM
Yeah, fair enough David and David. I think I wouldn't have probably noticed as much but that she was saying 'favourites' rather than 'getting higher scores with the judges' which implied that they were unfairly getting high scores - and then when Claudia pounced on this phrase to find out more Lilia mentioned Colin and Erin - who were highest last week - but maybe she realised what she had said and didn't want to say Zoe and Ian (a 9 for their cha-cha on Sat was clearly some level of judges favourites)...

I agree D&L are in a tricky position and I would be very disappointed to see them go out and J&C stay in instead.

Lou
7th-December-2005, 09:48 PM
And although lots of us seem to think the judges are maybe a little biased towards Z&I, I don't believe many people think they're biased towards C&E at all - so it came across as a bit sour-grape-y.

Except Arlene. Every show she's extremely complimentary towards Colin. Or at least his body... :whistle:

CeeCee
7th-December-2005, 11:10 PM
So many of you have made valid and passionate comments about this series, it's been fun reading your views.

I've enjoyed watching this series, I've really enjoyed it a lot. The standard of dancing has been superb, the costumes are divine.

I've hardly listened to the judges because while they are technically correct the unnecesary meanness is hard to tolerate, so I watch recordings of all the programmes and just enjoy the dancing.

This is far less stressful and I don't feel the desire to strangle anyone like I did when I watched the previous series.

Looking forward to next Saturday's show as it's really getting exciting now.

bigdjiver
8th-December-2005, 01:31 PM
It has always worried me that some of the negative remarks about ballroom jive on SCD might affect peoples perceptions of modern jive, and prevent them from trying it. Also I am always trying to think of ways of spreading the word.
Each week ITT has the verdicts of a guest panel. It may be too late for this series, but wouldn't it be a good idea if some of us forumites voluntereed to be on the guest panel for ITT?

David Franklin
8th-December-2005, 01:42 PM
Each week ITT has the verdicts of a guest panel. It may be too late for this series, but wouldn't it be a good idea if some of us forumites voluntereed to be on the guest panel for ITT?Don't see it happening - what's the "hook"? They've had various ballroom-related panels, but there the hook is "these people do ballroom, they should know what they're talking about". If they had a MJ panel, they'd first of all have to explain what MJ is etc.

You might have a chance if you did something a lot more focussed that could have nice visuals. I could potentially see getting 4 members of a team cabaret on, provided they did a 30 second clip of their routine, and did the whole panel dressed in the cabaret outfits.

Of course, being on the panel is strictly a 15 seconds of fame thing. People listen to the comments, but they couldn't give a toss about the actual people on the panel. And I don't see for a moment the BBC letting any MJ-related comments survive the edit. So at the end of the day, what good would it do MJ anyhow?

Trish
8th-December-2005, 03:03 PM
More paranoia from ITT last night - did anyone else notice that when they showed the "hairdressers voting panel thing" ( :rolleyes: ), there was no footage of Colin and Erin? :confused:

Perversely, I'm actually now hoping they'll try to promote Zoe and Ian a bit more, because I really don't want them to go out next week; it'd be massively unfair.

I noticed that, but presumed it was because they'd show it later in the week when Colin and Erin were due to be interviewed. Didn't see it last night, as I was out at a work do, but did this happen last night?

I do hope the same thing doesn't happen to Lilia and Darren as happened with her and Aled. Although I have some hope for two reasons. One is that one of my non-dancing colleagues who has always really loved James has admitted she thinks it's time for him to go, and the other is that IMHO the gap between James and Darren is widening, where in the previous series Julian was improving if anything and seemed to be catching Aled up slightly. We'll see though, certainly makes you want to vote anyway!

bigdjiver
8th-December-2005, 03:57 PM
Don't see it happening - what's the "hook"? They've had various ballroom-related panels, but there the hook is "these people do ballroom, they should know what they're talking about". If they had a MJ panel, they'd first of all have to explain what MJ is etc. ? I love it when people answer their own questions. This forum has pages galore on "nosequins", Tango, SCD, SDF, etc


You might have a chance if you did something a lot more focussed that could have nice visuals. I could potentially see getting 4 members of a team cabaret on, provided they did a 30 second clip of their routine, and did the whole panel dressed in the cabaret outfits. Precisely my point, the simplest way to show what MJ is is to show some MJ in action. I had in mind some clips of quality freestyle to 3 different genres. A cabaret would be more scenic, but would be misleading.


Of course, being on the panel is strictly a 15 seconds of fame thing. People listen to the comments, but they couldn't give a toss about the actual people on the panel. And I don't see for a moment the BBC letting any MJ-related comments survive the edit. To me just showing 40-60 secs of MJ clips to show how it differs from ballroom jive would be enough.

So at the end of the day, what good would it do MJ anyhowShowing dance enthusiasts what MJ is would do MJ no good?

David Franklin
8th-December-2005, 05:19 PM
I love it when people answer their own questions. This forum has pages galore on "nosequins", Tango, SCD, SDF, etc I have no idea what you're trying to say here. And if I as a regular on this forum don't understand, I think your chances of explaining this "hook" to the BBC is, um, slim.


Precisely my point, the simplest way to show what MJ is is to show some MJ in action. I had in mind some clips of quality freestyle to 3 different genres. A cabaret would be more scenic, but would be misleading.Look, if the BBC wanted to do this, they had far better opportunity to do so during SDF, and we all know how that went for Modern Jive. Has the BBC show footage of any of the other 'It Takes Two' panels dancing? What makes you think they would make an exception for MJ better?

Also, and it pains me to say it - we might appreciate MJ freestyle, but put it up there for people to compare against the likes of Anton and Erin and it falls a long way short in the eyes of the general public. Again, that's something we saw during SDF.


Showing dance enthusiasts what MJ is would do MJ no good?Try to read the entire post, rather than responding to parts of sentences out of context. My point is,

the BBC are not going to let you show what MJ is!

The BBC are immensely protective of SCD - it's one of their flagship shows. And a big part of what they're selling is "it might seem impossible, but you too could glide be gliding across the ballroom floor looking incredibly glamourous". Do you think for one moment they are going to have a panel on whose subtext is "Why don't people do MJ instead of ballroom? It's so more fun, sexier and more versatile"? It's not going to happen. They will cut out every hint of it from what they broadcast.

You might get 10 seconds of MJ dance footage - you really think that's going to revolutionise MJ?

And you might also want to think about how the Salsa instructors ended up coming across. You think the BBC wouldn't do the same to MJ?

You seem to be assuming that the BBC will let you control how MJ comes across - in effect that they will be happy for you to use them as a free advertising medium for your message. I think you will find it's the BBC who end up in control...

David Franklin
8th-December-2005, 05:43 PM
Moving on from fantasies of the BBC devoting airtime to persuading people to do MJ instead of ballroom...

The DS forum has a "Who do you want to win?" poll (http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=505) running:

At time of posting, Colin has 42% of the vote, Darren 25%, Zoe 20% and James 13%. Early on, it was over 40% for Colin and then a very even split amongst the other 3, but James seems to have stalled. My (tentative) hypothesis is James' fanbase is not as large as people think, but it is loud and quick to vote. (Like this forum but unlike the SCD programme itself, you can only vote once).

bigdjiver
9th-December-2005, 02:34 AM
...Try to read the entire post, rather than responding to parts of sentences out of context. I included your entire post, and responded paragraph by paragraph, only splitting the final paragraph. I did this only for clarity, and I am sorry that you regard my treatment as unfair. I am content to let it stand.


My point is,

the BBC are not going to let you show what MJ is!The BBC is not a monolithic coherent organisation. Even within SCD I suspect there are differences of opinion. My guess is that the judges, who proably also act as dance advisors, would regard MJ as the "Quentin Wilson" school of dance. The producers I suspect are more interested in the public interest. The BBC has already shown several MJ clips, mostly on dating shows, but Debbie Bull showed it in a dance context. Wrong is wrong, no matter how big the font is.


The BBC are immensely protective of SCD - it's one of their flagship shows. And a big part of what they're selling is "it might seem impossible, but you too could glide be gliding across the ballroom floor looking incredibly glamourous". Do you think for one moment they are going to have a panel on whose subtext is "Why don't people do MJ instead of ballroom? It's so more fun, sexier and more versatile"? It's not going to happen. They will cut out every hint of it from what they broadcast.

You might get 10 seconds of MJ dance footage - you really think that's going to revolutionise MJ?It is one of their flagship family shows. At Bedford we had Grandmother, daughter and Granddaughter all dancing on the same night. That is one possible hook.
The only subtext I would want to get across is on ballroom jive. If I can get granny saying that "Ballroom jive is to active for me, and I don't like that separate dancing." and someone else responding "yes, I much prefer MJ for those reasons." that would make my day, and is another possible hook.
More than one life has been changed by a five second glimpse of a still picture or a strangers face. Big firms pay big money for 10 seconds exposure.


...You seem to be assuming that the BBC will let you control how MJ comes across - in effect that they will be happy for you to use them as a free advertising medium for your message. I think you will find it's the BBC who end up in control...Do you think that the BBC would censor "I dicovered I caould dance at MJ, and it was fun. It led me to try ballroom, and now I love it ..." or "The dance class for Quentin Wilsons." ?

David Franklin
9th-December-2005, 10:47 AM
Wrong is wrong, no matter how big the font is.Well, when you get your alternative panel onto SCD, and they get their "pro-MJ" message out I will happily post "I was wrong" in the largest font the forum can allow.

Bluntly, I see many posts from you along the lines of "I could completely transform MJ by doing X,Y and Z", but I don't see many results. I'm not clear that's because you never try to put words into practice, or because you keep tilting at impossible windmills rather than something more achievable.

For example, I think the "alternative panel" idea is a non-starter, because you are trying to twist that part of the show to something it's not, and I don't believe for a moment the BBC would let you do so.

But you could, for example, try to sell them the idea of MJ dancers working on a cabaret, who are desperate for a lesson with Anton du Beke. Still unlikely, but not completely impossible. It's the kind of thing they might go for.

Or get a venue to "adopt" one of the celebs; work out an entire cabaret based on "We love Colin" and get the BBC to come along and film.

Or (and I actually think this is a good idea, but obviously too late for this series); get someone like Viktor to offer to teach Fiona Phillips to dance.

Of course, even if you get the cameras along, that is no guarantee of a positive portrayal, and I think you should take a cold hard look at how MJ has come across in the past - with particular attention to how it has looked in comparisons with other dance styles.

Gojive
9th-December-2005, 10:54 AM
Here's the TV schedule for the next 7 days, starting today:



ITT - Fri 9th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
SCD - Sat 10th, BBC1, 18:25 - 19:40
Results - Sat 10th, BBC1, 21:10 - 21:40
ITT - Mon 12th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Tue 13th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Wed 14th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00
ITT - Thu 15th, BBC2, 18:30 - 19:00

I think I'll refrain from doing another points forecast, after last week's utter rubbish that I spewed out! :blush: :wink:

Enjoy :waycool:

ToeTrampler
9th-December-2005, 11:18 AM
~lots of stuff~
and

~lots of other stuff~
If the BBC could be convinced to have MJ'ers on a panel, would there be any time left in the show for the contestants to dance? ;)

David Franklin
9th-December-2005, 11:23 AM
If the BBC could be convinced to have MJ'ers on a panel, would there be any time left in the show for the contestants to dance? ;)Compared with the judges we're a model of decorum!

David Bailey
9th-December-2005, 12:06 PM
I think I'll refrain from doing another points forecast, after last week's utter rubbish that I spewed out! :blush: :wink:
No, please do it again - it was a great starting point for a discussion, I thought.

Oh hell, I'll kick it off then... Here's my guesses:

Zoe and Ian - Paso Doble (32-34) + Viennese Waltz (36-38) = 68 - 72
Colin and Erin - Jive (31-33) + Waltz (35-37) = 66 - 70
Darren and Lilia - Samba (29-31) + Waltz (34-36) = 63 - 67
James and Camilla - Rumba (26-28) + Foxtrot (34-36) = 60-64

Based on mid-ranges, then, I'd guess that the likely positions on judging will be:
1st: Zoe and Ian
2nd: Colin and Erin
3rd: Darren and Lilia
4th: James and Camilla

OK, no shocks there. But I think James and Camilla will do much better this week, and I think the scoring will be much closer than last week.

Trish
9th-December-2005, 12:42 PM
No, please do it again - it was a great starting point for a discussion, I thought.

Oh hell, I'll kick it off then... Here's my guesses:

Zoe and Ian - Paso Doble (32-34) + Viennese Waltz (36-38) = 68 - 72
Colin and Erin - Jive (31-33) + Waltz (35-37) = 66 - 70
Darren and Lilia - Samba (29-31) + Waltz (34-36) = 63 - 67
James and Camilla - Rumba (26-28) + Foxtrot (34-36) = 60-64

Based on mid-ranges, then, I'd guess that the likely positions on judging will be:
1st: Zoe and Ian
2nd: Colin and Erin
3rd: Darren and Lilia
4th: James and Camilla

OK, no shocks there. But I think James and Camilla will do much better this week, and I think the scoring will be much closer than last week.

Not bad guesses and I think you're right about it being much closer this week. Personally I think Colin and Erin will do better on the Jive than you said here, but other than that, you may well be right! I should have been really sad last week and written down the judges marks, it would have been interesting to compare them with the forum predictions.

Hope James goes out this week - I will have to vote for everyone else (and Colin twice!)

ElaineB
9th-December-2005, 01:10 PM
Not bad guesses and I think you're right about it being much closer this week. Personally I think Colin and Erin will do better on the Jive than you said here, but other than that, you may well be right! I should have been really sad last week and written down the judges marks, it would have been interesting to compare them with the forum predictions.

Hope James goes out this week - I will have to vote for everyone else (and Colin twice!)

Well, as the money goes to Children in Need (well some of it anyway!), I will be voting for:

Colin and Erin
Zoe and Ian
Darren and Lillia

My view is that these three should be in the finals, based on their dancing up to date. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Elaine

bigdjiver
9th-December-2005, 02:07 PM
Well, when you get your alternative panel onto SCD, and they get their "pro-MJ" message out I will happily post "I was wrong" in the largest font the forum can allow.We have almost certainly left it too late to get an MJ panel onto SCD. What you posted was My point is,

"the BBC are not going to let you show what MJ is!" which is quite almost certainly wrong, because the BBC has already shown what MJ is, and I doubt there is a prohibition order stopping any producer doing so again. I am just advocating and heightening awareness of, publicity opportunities.


Bluntly, I see many posts from you along the lines of "I could completely transform MJ by doing X,Y and Z", but I don't see many results. I'm not clear that's because you never try to put words into practice, or because you keep tilting at impossible windmills rather than something more achievable.For all of its success I have the impression that MJ is under-achieving. I am doing what I can to establish whether that is true, and, if so, why so, and from why so to "What can we do about it?"
One of my strengths is a good analytical and creative brain. One of the ways I try to push MJ forward is to publish my ideas here. If they are flawed then there many, like yourself, who will take great delight in saying why. If there is an merit in them then my hope is that the "movers and shakers" will fix any flaws and adopt them.
One personality test I did reported "Thinks long and hard before doing anything, often without doing it." :tears: Despite that I do have a track record.
"Whilst striving for the great things, he did not forget the small things." Nelson Mandela on Trevor Huddleston. I do not forget the small things, and I can identify windmills.

For example, I think the "alternative panel" idea is a non-starter, because you are trying to twist that part of the show to something it's not, and I don't believe for a moment the BBC would let you do so. As I understand it the panel represents an informed section of the viewing, voting public. I am not sure, for instance, how qualified were the panel drawn from the chat room. This forum has people interested in SCD, who are active in many forms of dance, including ballroom, who are capable of expressing coherent opinion in an entertaining manner, who cover many age groups, personality types, etc

But you could, for example, try to sell them the idea of MJ dancers working on a cabaret, who are desperate for a lesson with Anton du Beke. Still unlikely, but not completely impossible. It's the kind of thing they might go for.They might. See what happens if you feed an idea to a "fixer"? I suspect that the "wanna dance with Anton" pile is rather huge, and I would rather no see six "beautiful" people doing the "Superwoman" as what MJ is about. I want to try and get one obese guy dancing with granny in shot. Quentin an Fiona doing a Ceroc beginner class would be nearer my aspirations.

Or get a venue to "adopt" one of the celebs; work out an entire cabaret based on "We love Colin" and get the BBC to come along and film.The more ideas we can throw them the better the chance one will hit home. The more we communicate the greater their awareness of MJ.


Or (and I actually think this is a good idea, but obviously too late for this series); get someone like Viktor to offer to teach Fiona Phillips to dance.I am responding paragraph by paragraph. :clap:


Of course, even if you get the cameras along, that is no guarantee of a positive portrayal, and I think you should take a cold hard look at how MJ has come across in the past - with particular attention to how it has looked in comparisons with other dance styles.More than one Cerocaholic started by coming along to see their friend make a fool of themself.

David Bailey
9th-December-2005, 02:45 PM
I am just advocating and heightening awareness of, publicity opportunities.
The Beeb certainly has shown Ceroc (not "MJ", believe me) in the past, as have other channels - e.g. the Sky crew filming at St. Albans on Weds. But I very much doubt the SCD producers will want to introduce a competing product except in a less-than-complimentary way. And not all publicity is good publicity.

Having said that, there are a few MJ / Ceroc links from the "Learn to dance" pages on the SCD site, so I don't think there's any sort of blanket ban; it's just not on their radar at the moment.

But it's always possible (in fact, quite likely) that other dance forms will be added at the "group" / "demonstration" level at least, for future series; who knows, MJ could be in there at some point.


As I understand it the panel represents an informed section of the viewing, voting public.
:rofl: Did you see the one with the four hairdressers? I think "informed" is maybe a bit optimistic. The panel are chosen because they'll make good telly, that's all.

David Franklin
9th-December-2005, 02:45 PM
onto SCD. What you posted was My point is,

"the BBC are not going to let you show what MJ is!"But that was in the specific context of your alternative panel suggestion. Of course the BBC have done very different things in different programs - but the alternative panel is a pretty fixed format.


As I understand it the panel represents an informed section of the viewing, voting public. I am not sure, for instance, how qualified were the panel drawn from the chat room. This forum has people interested in SCD, who are active in many forms of dance, including ballroom, who are capable of expressing coherent opinion in an entertaining manner, who cover many age groups, personality types, etc Consider this: Claudia loves the DS forum, and it's been getting a lot of coverage and attention from the ITT program-makers. Given that starting point, how much time did the alternative panel get to "plug" the forum? Not a lot, as I recall. And although I might "know" them from the DS forum as well, I have to say I thought the panel came across very badly. As always, it's the BBC that's in control, not the panel.

I want to try and get one obese guy dancing with granny in shot. Quentin an Fiona doing a Ceroc beginner class would be nearer my aspirations.
Despite some of their rhetoric, SCD is more the "fairy godmother" school of dancing than "dancing for the masses". In other words, it's about getting several thousand pounds of 1-1 tuition by a gorgeous professional dancer, then having hours of makeup applied before dressing up in the most amazing costumes, and then going out to dance in front of millions. The glamour and the "impossible dream" is part of what makes it work. I doubt obese guys with grannys need apply.

If I was going to try to do a pro-MJ program, I'm not sure it would really have much to do with dancing. I hate to say it, but I'd probably do something London based, and show MJ as a way to meet people when you're new to the capital. While trying to make it clear it's not a pickup joint or a place filled with social misfits, I'd show how it has given many people a new social life, and yes, that there have been many "Ceroc" marriages (me included :blush: ). Yes, I'd show some dancing, and it would be great to show someone's progression from beginner to "dancer" if it were possible, but it wouldn't be the main point of the program. On t'other hand, I think something like this has been tried - I don't know how well it worked...

bigdjiver
10th-December-2005, 08:01 PM
"We just started Ceroc lessons, me and the missus." SCD 10th Dec 2005

Lynn
10th-December-2005, 08:56 PM
"We just started Ceroc lessons, me and the missus." SCD 10th Dec 2005Yes, I noticed that - based on Darren's example - 'blokes can learn to dance'. Great to hear Ceroc get a mention!:clap:

I thought the judges were very harsh on all the couples for the latin, but I suppose it is the semi final. I did feel sorry for James as after his high of the ballroom he was clearly upset by some of the comments - which will of course mean lots of people will phone in and vote. James could stay in and Colin or Darren could go out as a result - its so close at this stage, I think the only way to be reasonably safe is to be at the very top, so Zoe and Ian should go through OK. I really would like to see Colin and Darren in the final (I would like to see Colin win) but after those comments...

FirstMove
10th-December-2005, 08:57 PM
"We just started Ceroc lessons, me and the missus." SCD 10th Dec 2005

I was wondering how long it'd take you to post that!

Tiggerbabe
10th-December-2005, 09:20 PM
so Zoe and Ian should go through OK.
I don't think that Zoe is guaranteed her place, Lynn. After the battering James took, I think the public may pull out all the stops for him and he seems to be so much more popular than Zoe.
I'm truly hoping that Colin, Darren and Zoe go through but who knows.......... I think it's going to be a close call (pardon the pun :blush: )

TheTramp
10th-December-2005, 10:39 PM
Well. Watched SCD for the first time tonight this series....

Have to say that I think that the votes were right, and that James and Camilla should have gone out.

However, I've fallen in love with Camilla, and anyone getting her to teach at a MJ event, anywhere in the UK, can put my name down to attend....

Franck, are you listening?? :flower:

Tiggerbabe
10th-December-2005, 10:55 PM
Have to say that I think that the votes were right, and that James and Camilla should have gone out.
Yup, I'd agree, the best 3 couples have definitely gone through :clap:
Although, bless 'im - James was such a sweetie tonight :hug:

anyone getting Camilla to teach at a MJ event, anywhere in the UK, can put my name down to attend....

Franck, are you listening?? :flower:
Hope so, as long as she brings Ian with her :wink:

Lory
10th-December-2005, 11:01 PM
Ok, own up... who else had a tear in their eye at the end? :blush:

I agree, the vote was right ;)




Unlike the X factor! :really: :angry: :tears:

David Franklin
10th-December-2005, 11:11 PM
"We just started Ceroc lessons, me and the missus." SCD 10th Dec 2005I'll admit it's more recognition than I thought Ceroc would get on SCD! :wink:

Only a couple of seconds, but on primetime BBC1 rather than ITT! :clap:

So pleased with the final result - I was really nervous for Colin and Darren - the DigitalSpy forum was filled with J/C fans saying they'd voted 50 times.

Definitely the correct 3 couples; thought the judges were harsh to James on the rumba, but there was definitely a gap between him and the rest.

As far as the other couples, I think I'd actually have ranked them Darren, Zoe, Colin for the ballroom - I really want Colin to win it, but his waltz was a bit start-and-stop, and I thought Darren's was superb. Very close though - I'd score them Darren 36, Zoe 35, Colin 33.

But then on the latin, I thought Colin did a brilliant job on one of the hardest dances for the men. Zoe didn't impress me with her paso at all. It's hard to judge Darren's samba after the costume disaster, Lilia's dancing was hugely affected and it must have been terribly hard for Darren. But at the end you have to mark on the dance that happened. My scores: Colin 36, Zoe 32, Darren 30.

Overall, Colin 1st, Zoe 2nd, Darren 3rd. I think Darren could easily have beaten Zoe if not for the costume malfunction.

Final thought: Sack the costume maker! I just can't see any excuse for what happened - we've subjected fairly skimpy costumes to far rougher treatment without ever having a mishap. (And we didn't pay £1000s for them!). Lilia looked absolutely furious, and I don't blame her! :mad: So relieved it came out OK for her in the end.

Piglet
10th-December-2005, 11:24 PM
But then on the latin, I thought Colin did a brilliant job on one of the hardest dances for the men. Zoe didn't impress me with her paso at all. It's hard to judge Darren's samba after the costume disaster, Lilia's dancing was hugely affected and it must have been terribly hard for Darren.

:yeah:
My first time watching this one properly tonight too! I want Colin to win - really liked his style and energy. And it would be nice to see a male celeb win too!

Liked how Darren seemed to be selling the dancing to younger boys :D

Tiggerbabe
10th-December-2005, 11:44 PM
Final thought: Sack the costume maker! I just can't see any excuse for what happened
And it's not as if it's the first time, after it happened with Patsy I'd have thought they'd have made sure everything was double/triple/quadruple stitched. :sad:

TheTramp
11th-December-2005, 12:07 AM
My first time watching this one properly tonight too! I want Colin to win - really liked his style and energy.
And he is Welsh!! :cheers:

Baruch
11th-December-2005, 01:34 AM
And he is Welsh!! :cheers:
Welsh and a great dancer too..... what's not to like?

Fingers crossed for next week, that the judges focus on the dancing rather than anything else.

Lynn
11th-December-2005, 03:37 AM
Although, bless 'im - James was such a sweetie tonight :hug:Esp when they had just been knocked out of the competition, you could understand him being upset at not making the final, but he said the best three had gone through which was good of him to say. And he was better than Julian Clary or Chris Parker who both made the final in previous series.

Zoe and Ian must be fairly low with the public vote to have been 2nd from the bottom after being top with the judges. Which means that Colin might be in with a chance of winning - I would love to see him win it.

Really glad that Darren and Lilia made it through. Esp after her dress disaster, but also after getting knocked out at this stage last year.

bigdjiver
11th-December-2005, 10:38 AM
As yet another in the series :"I think that ... We should .... So you ....".
I would like an effort made to fing out where the Ceroc couple attended, and see if we could get a follow up appearance on ITT along the lines of "We only tried to learn 4 moves in one lesson, of only one simpler, less strenuous dance, and it was as much as / more than we could manage, but we had fun. It gave us even more respect for the dancers on SCD. Thanks to the BBC and to .... Darren & Colin for encouraging us to try it."

clevedonboy
11th-December-2005, 10:50 AM
What about the kids dancing to "Happy Feet" ? Brilliant

Ballroom queen
11th-December-2005, 12:36 PM
[size="1"].............So pleased with the final result - I was really nervous for Colin and Darren - the DigitalSpy forum was filled with J/C fans saying they'd voted 50 times.......snip..........



yes, me too, although I wonder if the judges had worked out after last week that if Zoe wasn't top with them they would almost certainly be going out as they don't appear to have public support. Last night didn't feel as good as the week before - maybe they were all just SO nervous. Lets hope they relax now and just dance and enjoy.

Minnie M
11th-December-2005, 03:32 PM
Just got back from shopping in M&S - really strange to see Zoe & Norman in there pushing a shopping trolley :what: I walked straight past them, but so wanted to wish her luck for next week.

David Bailey
11th-December-2005, 05:36 PM
Just catching up on this one...

I thought the judges were a little harsh on Colin, and a little generous to Zoe, in the Latin sections.

I thought Colin did a great start to the jive, it's so damned tricky to go out there and start it off by yourself - I can't imagine Zoe having the self-confidence to do that, for example. And there was a lovely set of seperate-kick moves with a change of place, which looked so smooth, and again which is damned tricky to do. I agree it was a bit pedestrian, but 30 was very stingy - the judges were effectively saying it was only as good as Darren's Samba, which frankly was pretty poor.

I also thought Zoe / Ian's paso was very pedestrian, in fact almost tacky, especially in the middle bits; it was technically lovely, but just lacked drama or excitement. I didn't think much of the music selection Ian chose.

I'm glad James and Camilla left - James was right, the best 3 couples did go through. And, to be fair, he did a lovely ballroom.

Other comments:
- Interesting that none of the couples in the semi-finals did well in the Latin; the only one who may be OK is Colin in that discipline, with his hips (!)
- The judges are really having a go at each other now, aren't they? Massive amounts of aggro...!
- What was all that about Arlene and the "drinking" comment?
- Zoe needs to calm down, all these tears are getting on my nerves now
- I can't wait to see Colin's dance slot in the Sports Personaity Of The Year show!

ElaineB
11th-December-2005, 07:59 PM
Just catching up on this one...

I thought the judges were a little harsh on Colin, and a little generous to Zoe, in the Latin sections.

I thought Colin did a great start to the jive, it's so damned tricky to go out there and start it off by yourself - I can't imagine Zoe having the self-confidence to do that, for example. And there was a lovely set of seperate-kick moves with a change of place, which looked so smooth, and again which is damned tricky to do. I agree it was a bit pedestrian, but 30 was very stingy - the judges were effectively saying it was only as good as Darren's Samba, which frankly was pretty poor.

I also thought Zoe / Ian's paso was very pedestrian, in fact almost tacky, especially in the middle bits; it was technically lovely, but just lacked drama or excitement. I didn't think much of the music selection Ian chose.

I'm glad James and Camilla left - James was right, the best 3 couples did go through. And, to be fair, he did a lovely ballroom.

Other comments:
- Interesting that none of the couples in the semi-finals did well in the Latin; the only one who may be OK is Colin in that discipline, with his hips (!)
- The judges are really having a go at each other now, aren't they? Massive amounts of aggro...!
- What was all that about Arlene and the "drinking" comment?
- Zoe needs to calm down, all these tears are getting on my nerves now
- I can't wait to see Colin's dance slot in the Sports Personaity Of The Year show!

I was out again last night and have just caught up! I agree with your comments on Colin in the Jive. I was expecting it to be awful after his comments, but was pleasantly suprised. Again, Erin was able to leave Colin to his own devices and it paid off. Not a world beater, but I also think he deserved higher marks.

Re Ian and Zoe, I absolutely adore Ian (as with Tramp, anyone get him for a workshop and I'll be there!), however, I think his choreography lets him down a bit. I can also see why Zoe started to think of the circus!!! That has to be the worst Paso music ever!

Still think Colin was the best though :clap: :clap: :clap:

Elaine

CeeCee
11th-December-2005, 09:29 PM
I’ve only just finished watching last night’s show and not sure I can take the stress of another week (but it will be impossible to miss).


Originally posted by Lory
Ok, own up... who else had a tear in their eye at the end?Well I confess to weeping when Lilia’s dress let her down, I tried to imagine the distress she must have been going through. She is an amazing performer and the dress should have been the last thing to give her cause for concern. Poor, poor, Lilia.


Originally posted by clevendonboy
about the kids dancing to "Happy Feet" ? Brilliant
Something very inspiring about watching children excel in a sport, they were superb.


Originally posted by DavidJames
I thought Colin did a great start to the jive, it's so damned tricky to go out there and start it off by yourself
Totally agree, he came out and performed like a true professional. Well done Colin.


Originally posted by ElaineB
I can also see why Zoe started to think of the circus!!!
Oops, so did I

Ballroom queen
12th-December-2005, 12:06 AM
.........I didn't think much of the music selection Ian chose............



I doubt he got much choice - its mentioned on the DS forum that the beeb are controlling the music - someone was having a lesson with him when the bbc phoned and said they didn't like his music. Its like the dance fever music problems again

TheTramp
12th-December-2005, 01:14 AM
Re Ian and Zoe, I absolutely adore Ian (as with Tramp, anyone get him for a workshop and I'll be there!)
Who said anything about Ian?? I want Camilla!!

:flower:

ElaineB
12th-December-2005, 08:23 AM
Who said anything about Ian?? I want Camilla!!

:flower:

Phone vote, phone vote, phone vote! :D :D :D


Elaine

Piglet
12th-December-2005, 08:28 AM
Who said anything about Ian?? I want Camilla!!

:flower:
Yep Elaine, I wondered where you thought he wanted Ian too!:wink:
You want to see Trampy cry for Chrimbo?

ElaineB
12th-December-2005, 09:09 AM
Yep Elaine, I wondered where you thought he wanted Ian too!:wink:
You want to see Trampy cry for Chrimbo?

Nah, just remembered that he likes to dance with men as well as women! :D :wink:

Elaine

Tiggerbabe
12th-December-2005, 09:10 AM
Who said anything about Ian??
Me :innocent: :wink: :whistle:

TheTramp
12th-December-2005, 09:23 AM
Nah, just remembered that he likes to dance with men as well as women! :D :wink:

Elaine

Yeah. Had 3 fab dances last night with Franck, Doc Martin, and CJ... :clap:

TheTramp
12th-December-2005, 09:24 AM
Me :innocent: :wink: :whistle:
You're quite welcome to Ian. Just as long as Camilla is here too.....

Franck, are you listening?? :flower: :wink:

ElaineB
12th-December-2005, 10:08 AM
You're quite welcome to Ian. Just as long as Camilla is here too.....

Franck, are you listening?? :flower: :wink:

OK then - that's Camilla for you and Ian for me..........sigh..........swoon.........


Elaine

Trish
12th-December-2005, 12:01 PM
Just catching up on this one...

I thought the judges were a little harsh on Colin, and a little generous to Zoe, in the Latin sections.

I thought Colin did a great start to the jive, it's so damned tricky to go out there and start it off by yourself - I can't imagine Zoe having the self-confidence to do that, for example. And there was a lovely set of seperate-kick moves with a change of place, which looked so smooth, and again which is damned tricky to do. I agree it was a bit pedestrian, but 30 was very stingy - the judges were effectively saying it was only as good as Darren's Samba, which frankly was pretty poor.

I also thought Zoe / Ian's paso was very pedestrian, in fact almost tacky, especially in the middle bits; it was technically lovely, but just lacked drama or excitement. I didn't think much of the music selection Ian chose.

I'm glad James and Camilla left - James was right, the best 3 couples did go through. And, to be fair, he did a lovely ballroom.

Other comments:
- Interesting that none of the couples in the semi-finals did well in the Latin; the only one who may be OK is Colin in that discipline, with his hips (!)
- The judges are really having a go at each other now, aren't they? Massive amounts of aggro...!
- Zoe needs to calm down, all these tears are getting on my nerves now


:yeah:


- What was all that about Arlene and the "drinking" comment?
Arlene had said something comparing a paso doble to a riocha (sp?) - Bruno said she knew nothing about it cos she didn't drink!



- I can't wait to see Colin's dance slot in the Sports Personality Of The Year show!

Didn't think this was quite as good as I expected - I thought the way they were plugging it, that he'd be doing a proper dance routine rather than a link with a few dance steps in between. I guess what he did looked ok though and to be fair on him, he's got enough on his plate already!

Glad my top three got though on Saturday. I agree about Zoe's tears being a bit irritating. Sad as I am, I sat down and worked out various permutations of voting after Zoe got in the bottom two, and it's most likely she came bottom with the public (she'd have had to have come last and James come first for her to go out) and James came second to last. I think earlier on in the series she did some lovely dancing, but the nerves seem to have got to her, and also the boys have caught her up a bit I think. Did you see her hands shaking at the start of that paso? I felt quite sorry for her.

My prediction now: Colin to win, then Darren (he's very popular with the guys I know - although that might not work as guys like my husband are too lazy to vote!), and Zoe third.

David Franklin
12th-December-2005, 12:17 PM
My prediction now: Colin to win, then Darren (he's very popular with the guys I know - although that might not work as guys like my husband are too lazy to vote!), and Zoe third.:yeah: Zoe has very little chance at this stage. The DS forum poll has 45% Colin, 40% Darren and 15% Zoe. That would be bad enough, but all the comments are along the lines of "I voted for Colin, but I don't really mind if Darren wins" or "I voted for Darren but I don't really mind if Colin wins". So even if Zoe does scrape through the first bit, there'll be a lot of extra people voting for whichever male gets through. The bookies seem to agree, Colin is now the strong favourite with Zoe the outsider.

I'm interested to see what the judges do. We've never had a final where the public overturned the judges. So I'm wondering if they will see the writing on the wall and mark Colin above Zoe. On the other hand the only real chance Zoe has of reaching the final 2 is if they mark her top. Will they try to have the best of all worlds by marking Zoe ahead before the showdance, but then say Colin's showdance was so good he should be the winner?

dancing... :devil: ]

David Bailey
12th-December-2005, 12:29 PM
Arlene had said something comparing a paso doble to a riocha (sp?) - Bruno said she knew nothing about it cos she didn't drink!
Yeah, but what puzzled me was her vehement overreaction to his comment - saying "it's none of your business whether I drink or not" or something like that. It just seemed he'd hit a nerve, and I wondered if anyone else thought it was weird. Just me then...


Didn't think this was quite as good as I expected - I thought the way they were plugging it, that he'd be doing a proper dance routine rather than a link with a few dance steps in between. I guess what he did looked ok though and to be fair on him, he's got enough on his plate already
I missed it :( - I tried to sit through all that sport, I just couldn't face it.


Zoe has very little chance at this stage. The DS forum poll has 45% Colin, 40% Darren and 15% Zoe.
...
The bookies seem to agree, Colin is now the strong favourite with Zoe the outsider.
Yep - I checked a few betting sites, and Colin is now the favourite in all of them - e.g. Betfair has him at 3/5 on, versus 13/8 for Zoe. Who'd have thought it 5 weeks ago...

Lynn
12th-December-2005, 12:48 PM
Yeah, but what puzzled me was her vehement overreaction to his comment - saying "it's none of your business whether I drink or not" or something like that. It just seemed he'd hit a nerve, and I wondered if anyone else thought it was weird. Just me then... Talking about hitting a nerve - anyone notice how complimentary Arlene was being to Erin? Wonder if it was anything to do with her comments on ITT on Fri about Erin's 'moods'?

I think its good the way the public are going against the judges because I think the public are at least partly actually voting on the dancing. There have been several times when I think the judges have overmarked Zoe and undermarked the guys - not by much, but it has maybe been noticeable?

From the first week I thought Colin had a chance of winning, then I thought the judges were undermarking him a bit and therefore I have voted for him. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Trish
13th-December-2005, 05:30 PM
Yeah, but what puzzled me was her vehement overreaction to his comment - saying "it's none of your business whether I drink or not" or something like that. It just seemed he'd hit a nerve, and I wondered if anyone else thought it was weird. Just me then...

Yes, I thought it was a bit of an overreaction myself, but I think he was just annoying her by being so over the top in defending what she thought was a poor paso doble (I agreed with her to some extent really, but would have been a bit more moderate!)


I think its good the way the public are going against the judges because I think the public are at least partly actually voting on the dancing. There have been several times when I think the judges have overmarked Zoe and undermarked the guys - not by much, but it has maybe been noticeable?

From the first week I thought Colin had a chance of winning, then I thought the judges were undermarking him a bit and therefore I have voted for him. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Yes, I think they've sometimes been overmarking Zoe and undermarking Colin, but then I've only been to 5 proper ballroom classes, so I'm not always sure what's a difficult step, and what's an easy one, and possibly the marks reflect this as well as the movement/flow of the dance, which Colin's definitely been better than Zoe at the last couple of weeks at least. I think Bruno's definitely OTT in his marks of Zoe. He gave her a 10 when everyone (including Zoe herself) admitted she'd made a mistake, and it was also admitted that they had a gap between them rather than being completely together in the Ballroom hold. Colin had improved though, his turns were a lot smoother for example this week (says she as if she knows completely what she's talking about :rofl: )

Tessalicious
13th-December-2005, 05:55 PM
Yeah, but what puzzled me was her vehement overreaction to his comment - saying "it's none of your business whether I drink or not" or something like that. It just seemed he'd hit a nerve, and I wondered if anyone else thought it was weird. Just me then... Yes, I spotted that too - "Don't tell everyone I don't drink, that's got nothing to do with this programme" I think were the precise words. Touchy, touchy.

But on the much more important topic of the dancing, I agree, Colin has to win. I can't wait to watch him dance in the final, and for once I'm actually going to stay in this Saturday just to watch it. And I really hope the proper final is Colin and Darren, because their showcase dances are going to be so much cooler than Zoe's, and because they've both got such good attitudes to the whole thing. I'm getting so fed up with Zoe's 'cry if they're nice to me, cry if they're mean to me' thing, especially when she is being so heavily boosted by the judges.

Trish
13th-December-2005, 06:09 PM
Yes, I spotted that too - "Don't tell everyone I don't drink, that's got nothing to do with this programme" I think were the precise words. Touchy, touchy.

But on the much more important topic of the dancing, I agree, Colin has to win. I can't wait to watch him dance in the final, and for once I'm actually going to stay in this Saturday just to watch it. And I really hope the proper final is Colin and Darren, because their showcase dances are going to be so much cooler than Zoe's, and because they've both got such good attitudes to the whole thing. I'm getting so fed up with Zoe's 'cry if they're nice to me, cry if they're mean to me' thing, especially when she is being so heavily boosted by the judges.

:yeah:

Unfortunately, I'm out Saturday - Fortunately I'm being treated to dinner at my favourite restuarant, as it's my birthday on Monday, otherwise I think I'd have to cancel!! We're going out early, so with any luck I'll be back before the second show - I shall have to hope Zoe goes out in the early show, and (guessing he'll do well) vote for Colin on my mobile!

TheTramp
13th-December-2005, 06:10 PM
as it's my birthday on Monday
Ummm. Mine too. And we're meeting for the first time on Friday. Isn't that strange!! :D

ElaineB
13th-December-2005, 08:09 PM
To quote SCD ITT - Len Goodman is a God!!! I had forgotten some of his quips - he is soooo funny! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Colin and Erin were impeccable tonight in their interview - lets hope they manage that in their dancing on Saturday night.

Agree, it would be great if Colin and Darren both make it to the final - both of them deserve it.........but COLIN TO WIN, COLIN TO WIN, COLIN TO WIN!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:


Elaine

Lynn
13th-December-2005, 08:46 PM
Colin and Erin were impeccable tonight in their interview - lets hope they manage that in their dancing on Saturday night.Drat, I missed it tonight. Was out for afternoon coffee with friends and am only just back!

COLIN TO WIN, COLIN TO WIN, COLIN TO WIN!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :yeah:

Trish
14th-December-2005, 12:48 PM
Ummm. Mine too. And we're meeting for the first time on Friday. Isn't that strange!! :D

That is strange! Hope you have a good one - see you Friday.

jivecat
14th-December-2005, 01:29 PM
Len Goodman is a God!!!
:yeah: Yum, yum pig's b*m! He's lovely.

And I enjoyed the clips of him & his partner from way back, must have been the 70s. The dancing would have fitted in well in a MJ context, I thought. It looked more constrained than the professionals' style we see on SCD, especially the leader's style, although his partner was fairly unreserved. If a man danced at a Ceroc venue with the same kind of showy style used by Anton, Brendan, Ian etc. it would, ahem, attract attention. I suppose it's the difference between performance and social dancing.


Didn't like Claudia's brown and white dress last night. Made her look pregnant. Strange, considering she usually has her apples out on the barrow for public delectation!

foxylady
14th-December-2005, 01:47 PM
Didn't like Claudia's brown and white dress last night. Made her look pregnant. Strange, considering she usually has her apples out on the barrow for public delectation!

Isn't she pregnant ?? I was sure she was when I saw her on ITT the other day.

David Franklin
14th-December-2005, 02:00 PM
Isn't she pregnant ?? I was sure she was when I saw her on ITT the other day.Yes she is. The rumour that she was started a few weeks, and somehow or other it had got to "everyone knows she is" by last week.

Given this week she said of Colin's Rumba:

That was filthy. I have never done anything like that and I'm pregnant! there's very little doubt now!

jivecat
14th-December-2005, 02:07 PM
Yes she is. The rumour that she was started a few weeks, and somehow or other it had got to "everyone knows she is" by last week.



Oh well, take back bitchy comments about the brown dress and replace with "Isn't she blooming, pregnancy suits her" type remarks. I guess it's still far too early for her to be wearing the full tent gear.

robd
15th-December-2005, 11:13 PM
Claudia was on Jon Ross's R2 show a couple of weeks back and admitted she was with child.

Mr Tramp - if you're seeing Trish Friday I assume you'll be at St Neots? I'll be able to admire your dancing at first hand again :clap:

I hope Darren wins but only because I think Lilya is gorgeous. Shallow, me?

On ITT earlier this week it mentioned that Lilya and Darren won the national champs whilst she was on SCD - does anyone have web links for the sorts of champs they would be entering? Would love to see them dance 'live' - think Darren (her hubby not Gough) is fantastic too - and a very lucky man :wink:

Robert

spindr
15th-December-2005, 11:55 PM
Claudia was on Jon Ross's R2 show a couple of weeks back and admitted she was with child.

Mr Tramp - if you're seeing Trish Friday I assume you'll be at St Neots? I'll be able to admire your dancing at first hand again :clap:

I hope Darren wins but only because I think Lilya is gorgeous. Shallow, me?

On ITT earlier this week it mentioned that Lilya and Darren won the national champs whilst she was on SCD - does anyone have web links for the sorts of champs they would be entering? Would love to see them dance 'live' - think Darren (her hubby not Gough) is fantastic too - and a very lucky man :wink:

Robert
Maybe: http://www.darrenandlilia.com might help?


10.07.2005
1st place at UK Closed Latin Championship
The UK Closed Latin Championship proved an interesting competition with Darren & Lilia beating Strictly Come Dancing rivals Ian Waite & Camilla Dallerup to 1st place. Ian and Camilla made it a good night for the SCD stars by finishing 2nd.

The following might also be interesting: http://www.antonanderin.com/ http://www.ian-waite.com/ and http://www.camilladallerup.com/

SpinDr

Gojive
16th-December-2005, 02:03 AM
Here's the TV schedule for the last two days :tears: of series 3...



ITT - BBC2, Fri 16th, 18:30 - 19:00
SCD The Final - BBC1, Sat 17th, 18:30 - 19:50
Results - BBC1, Sat 17th, 21:20 - 22:10

Enjoy! :waycool:

Gojive
16th-December-2005, 02:35 AM
Oooh, just found out there's to be an extra ITT on Monday :waycool: . Time and channel to follow...

Minnie M
16th-December-2005, 04:16 AM
..... Would love to see them dance 'live' - think Darren (her hubby not Gough)
They are at Dorking LeRoc in March :-
(taken from a recent email from them)

........ then Darren Bennett (still current Strictly Come Dancing Champion) & his wife Lilia Kopylova (currently still in Strictly Come Dancing competition with Darren Gough) on Tuesday 7th March

ElaineB
16th-December-2005, 08:22 AM
They are at Dorking LeRoc in March :-
(taken from a recent email from them)


I was lucky enough to see Darren and Lillia dance in Cardiff earlier this year. They were absolutely amazing, fantastic, awesome, brilliant and stunning - if you can, go and see them, I think you will enjoy watching them!



Elaine

clevedonboy
16th-December-2005, 10:28 AM
saw a poster advertising Darren & Lilya dancing in Portishead (N Somerset) on Dec 30

robd
16th-December-2005, 11:58 AM
Maybe: http://www.darrenandlilia.com might help?



The following might also be interesting: http://www.antonanderin.com/ http://www.ian-waite.com/ and http://www.camilladallerup.com/

SpinDr

Thanks, I actually found most of these soon after posting and was too lazy to re-post. Should maybe search before posting in future :blush:

Can't say I'll be buying any Darren and Lilia merchandise though much as I admire their dancing.

FirstMove
17th-December-2005, 07:11 PM
Go Darren! :clap:
(It feels like he hasn't got any supporters here :( )

Lynn
17th-December-2005, 07:56 PM
Colin's quickstep. :worthy:

(Watching it in a room with TV and computer so can watch and post at the same time!)

WittyBird
17th-December-2005, 08:11 PM
Colins Rumba :worthy: and the most beautiful song this year as well :clap:
Gotta go and buy tissues now :tears:

Lynn
17th-December-2005, 08:42 PM
Colins Rumba :worthy: :yeah: :drool:

David Bailey
17th-December-2005, 09:20 PM
God, my heart's in my mouth now... If I had to guess at the public order of voting, I'd say it's the exact opposite of the judging order (so Darren 1st, Colin 2nd and Zoe 3rd).

So, err, what happens if they all get 4 points? :confused:

Lynn
17th-December-2005, 09:48 PM
I really wamt Colin to win now, after those dances tonight, both great, though all the dances were good tonight. If Colin wasn't in the running I would want Darren to win so I would love him to be second.

philsmove
17th-December-2005, 10:14 PM
God, my heart's in my mouth now... If I had to guess at the public order of voting, I'd say it's the exact opposite of the judging order (so Darren 1st, Colin 2nd and Zoe 3rd).

So, err, what happens if they all get 4 points? :confused:

form the BBC web site

In the event of a tie, the couple with the lowest actual number of viewer votes will be eliminated

Zebra Woman
17th-December-2005, 10:21 PM
Thank goodness for the BBC website.

I have returned home to a recording of nothing :tears: .

Please help if you can (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=181328&postcount=19)

From the tiny snips on the website I have seen ...

I loved Colin's Rhumba and Zoe's Tango, but my heart has to vote for Darren for making the longest journey and improving the prospects of men dancing.

Grr :angry: :tears: I wish I could have seen it.

ZW

philsmove
17th-December-2005, 11:16 PM
Great result :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

What was Erin thinking about when she choose the freestyle routine :confused:

Should be out tonight

stuck at home with an awful cough :sad:

Missy D
17th-December-2005, 11:28 PM
What was Erin thinking about when she choose the freestyle routine :confused:

Should be out tonight

stuck at home with an awful cough :sad:

:yeah: Thought Erin would come up with something brilliant and was so disappointed with the final routine:mad:

I do hope you feel better soon! Its cold outside anyway so what better way to spend an evening in your own home in the warm:flower:

David Bailey
17th-December-2005, 11:33 PM
Well, I can't say I'm not disappointed - but judged on the totally naff performance by C&E, I think it's fair.

BTW, I felt an almost-overpowering urge to avert my eyes whenever Fiona Philips came onto the dance floor - bit like when the Daleks arrived in Doctor Who, I felt like hiding behind the sofa until the monsters had gone. I now have some sympathy for Brendan, she truly is hopeless...

Lynn
17th-December-2005, 11:34 PM
I didn't like Colin and Erin's show dance and felt that it left a less positive impression of them than most of their dancing through the series deserved. I had wanted Colin to win but Darren has been a great advert for dancing so glad he has won from that perspective (I think Colin is the better dancer but maybe Darren was the best example of what SCD was about.)