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JoC
19th-August-2005, 10:22 AM
I can't take it any more!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Even with headphones listening to a cd, blah blah blah blah blah blah.....

Thankyou I feel much better now with that off my chest.

TiggsTours
19th-August-2005, 10:27 AM
What I hate at work is, people with their headphones on listening to a CD! Trying to get their attention to ask them a question! aargh!!! :mad:

RachD
19th-August-2005, 10:50 AM
What I hate at work is, people with their headphones on listening to a CD! Trying to get their attention to ask them a question! aargh!!! :mad:


:yeah: The designer I sit next to is listening to his discman today. Twice I have started a conversation forgetting he can't hear me. :o I have to throw things at him when his phone rings.

Why am I posting this? :rolleyes: Thankyou to whoever listened. :o

RachD
19th-August-2005, 10:59 AM
I can't take it any more!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Even with headphones listening to a cd, blah blah blah blah blah blah.....

Thankyou I feel much better now with that off my chest.


However, I do sympathise with you Jo. :sad: You are proof open plan offices encourage listening to music with headphones on. Does anyone in your office walk around talking loudly on their mobile?

Should we be on the Pet Hates thread??

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:01 AM
:yeah: The designer I sit next to is listening to his discman today. Twice I have started a conversation forgetting he can't hear me. :o I have to throw things at him when his phone rings.

Why am I posting this? :rolleyes: Thankyou to whoever listened. :o

What would you do if you worked with a deaf designer?

Purple Sparkler
19th-August-2005, 11:01 AM
No headphones in my office. My co-worker listens to the Gotan Project and India Ari and many other cool artists loud and proud. The Gotan Project being a band that Toby Wan Kenobe plays frequently. Imagine my surprise when it came on and I said "but that's JANGO music!"

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:06 AM
What would you do if you worked with a deaf designer?


Learn sign language

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:07 AM
Learn sign language

Don't deaf people understand having things thrown at them then?

Lee
19th-August-2005, 11:10 AM
What I hate at work is, people with their headphones on listening to a CD! Trying to get their attention to ask them a question! aargh!!! :mad:

Now Now....It's been proved that listening to music in an office environment increases concentration and improves productivity.

I have a very short attention span and listening to the radio (with one earphone) keeps me working for ages and stops my mind wondering.

I can still hear people (if they talk to me) and answer the phone (but not at the same time).

:cheers:

Lee

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:11 AM
Don't deaf people understand having things thrown at them then?

If he's deaf, would he be listening to his discman?

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:15 AM
If he's deaf, would he be listening to his discman?
Maybe he just likes annoying people in offices and on trains.

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:25 AM
Maybe he just likes annoying people in offices and on trains.

Perhaps I am just jealous? :rolleyes:

TiggsTours
19th-August-2005, 11:26 AM
What would you do if you worked with a deaf designer?
If I worked with someone who was deaf, I would like to think that my employer would at least have considered the implications, either by ensuring they can lip-read or teaching me sign-language. I would then be perfectly happy to get their attention in another way, and I'm quite sure that they would not have a standard phone, but one which was adapted to their needs, and they would be aware when it was ringing.

Someone wearing headphones is not naturally used to people trying to get their attention, and are not in posession of adapted phones at work to know when its ringing, they just choose to be unapproachable. You can't possibly compare this to someone who is hearing impaired (which I believe is the politically correct term).

TiggsTours
19th-August-2005, 11:27 AM
Now Now....It's been proved that listening to music in an office environment increases concentration and improves productivity.

I have a very short attention span and listening to the radio (with one earphone) keeps me working for ages and stops my mind wondering.

I can still hear people (if they talk to me) and answer the phone (but not at the same time).

:cheers:

Lee

Nothing wrong with that, by just having one earphone in, you are perfectly contactable. :)

ducasi
19th-August-2005, 11:28 AM
I can't take it any more!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! I currently have an office all to myself. :nice:

I have peace to work, I can put on my music, I can do anything I want to. :waycool:

I'm soon (any time between now and 2010) to be sharing a new office with four or five other people. :really:

I'm not looking forward to it. :sad:

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:29 AM
If I worked with someone who was deaf, I would like to think that my employer would at least have considered the implications, either by ensuring they can lip-read or teaching me sign-language. I would then be perfectly happy to get their attention in another way, and I'm quite sure that they would not have a standard phone, but one which was adapted to their needs, and they would be aware when it was ringing.

Someone wearing headphones is not naturally used to people trying to get their attention, and are not in posession of adapted phones at work to know when its ringing, they just choose to be unapproachable. You can't possibly compare this to someone who is hearing impaired (which I believe is the politically correct term).

I make the comparison In the interest of being silly. Therefore I'm allowed.

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:34 AM
I make the comparison In the interest of being silly. Therefore I'm allowed.

Typical Mooncalf! :wink:

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:38 AM
Typical Mooncalf! :wink:

Now what? My point was to examine your behaviour - to question your actions towards people by making a silly comparison. It's called reductio ad absurdum. I think we understand that. It however makes me look stupid in the process. Then I am stupid so it's ok.

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:38 AM
Now Now....It's been proved that listening to music in an office environment increases concentration and improves productivity.

I have a very short attention span and listening to the radio (with one earphone) keeps me working for ages and stops my mind wondering.

I can still hear people (if they talk to me) and answer the phone (but not at the same time).

:cheers:

Lee


:yeah: Music aids my creativity. It's confirmed then. I am just jealous of my colleague.

(Did I mention he is listening to my CD?) :innocent:

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:40 AM
:yeah: Music aids my creativity. It's confirmed then. I am just jealous of my colleague.

(Did I mention he is listening to my CD?) :innocent:

Kiss Me? Sugar High?

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:44 AM
Kiss Me? Sugar High?


Steve Winwood

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:45 AM
Steve Winwood

Enough about the music - you didn't answer my questions.

Little Monkey
19th-August-2005, 11:46 AM
I work all alone - all the time. I talk to my dog, play loud music, and sometimes even talk to the clay. When the clay starts answering back, I know I need to talk to people SOON - before I go even more bonkers than I already am.......

Can't wait for my studio neighbour to come back - then we can argue about what music to listen to, throw clay at each other over the wall, and I can be entertained by him and his friends having their weird conversations when stoned.

Potty Wee Monkey

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:46 AM
Now what? My point was to examine your behaviour - to question your actions towards people by making a silly comparison. It's called reductio ad absurdum. I think we understand that. It however makes me look stupid in the process. Then I am stupid so it's ok.


I meant I enjoyed the challenge of your reductio ad absurdum. :nice:
(You are far from stupid, Mooncalf) :worthy:

RachD
19th-August-2005, 11:48 AM
Enough about the music - you didn't aswer my questions.

(But not enough n's)

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 11:52 AM
(But not enough n's)

I am stupid, I know that because I'm quite clever. I'm also silly but mostly deliberately.

JoC
19th-August-2005, 01:10 PM
What I hate at work is, people with their headphones on listening to a CD! Trying to get their attention to ask them a question! aargh!!! :mad:
Tee-hee! (Oops...)

When I put my headphones on it means I really really really don't want to be asked anything other than extremely vital-urgent-the-safety-of-the-planet depends on it questions :D .Only person who asks those is the boss who I see approaching (which gives me time to stuff my head in a report, avoid eye contact and hope that she thinks I'm too busy ;) ). I have to do a lot of reading at work and music does help me concentrate (but not enough obviously...).

Anyone else asking me things in my immediate work environment is usually just asking something daft - which I enjoy sometimes :grin: .

I've had a huge office to myself in the past and that didn't work for me either, after several years I realised it was lonely and boring! Best situation I ever had was sharing an office with one other, who like me, was a lone person working on their own specialism.

So for me it's limited open-plan at the moment, moving to a mega-open plan environment in just over a month :sad:...I'm sure things are all happening back to front!!!

Time for a change perhaps...

I've been listening to either Kelis-Tasty or Goldfrapp-Black Cherry for the last few weeks.

Lynn
19th-August-2005, 02:35 PM
I currently have an office all to myself. :nice:

I have peace to work, I can put on my music, I can do anything I want to. :waycool: :yeah:

RachD
19th-August-2005, 03:17 PM
Tee-hee! (Oops...)

When I put my headphones on it means I really really really don't want to be asked anything other than extremely vital-urgent-the-safety-of-the-planet depends on it questions :D .Only person who asks those is the boss who I see approaching (which gives me time to stuff my head in a report, avoid eye contact and hope that she thinks I'm too busy ;) ). I have to do a lot of reading at work and music does help me concentrate (but not enough obviously...).

Anyone else asking me things in my immediate work environment is usually just asking something daft - which I enjoy sometimes :grin: .

I've had a huge office to myself in the past and that didn't work for me either, after several years I realised it was lonely and boring! Best situation I ever had was sharing an office with one other, who like me, was a lone person working on their own specialism.

So for me it's limited open-plan at the moment, moving to a mega-open plan environment in just over a month :sad:...I'm sure things are all happening back to front!!!

Time for a change perhaps...

I've been listening to either Kelis-Tasty or Goldfrapp-Black Cherry for the last few weeks.


...hold on, let me turn the volume down, then I can hear what your saying....

JoC
19th-August-2005, 04:08 PM
heck I have to keep taking my earphones out when I want to ask someone a daft question!

(now I'll confess the real reason I use them is to protect my colleagues from me)

RachD
19th-August-2005, 04:13 PM
Whilst we're on the subject, can anyone tell me if the left and right headphone HAVE to go in the correct ears?

El Salsero Gringo
19th-August-2005, 05:21 PM
Whilst we're on the subject, can anyone tell me if the left and right headphone HAVE to go in the correct ears?No. You can put them in the wrong ears, someone else's ears, or indeed any body orifice at all. The only caveat is that it might be uncomfortable (especially if you choose your nostrils), and the sound quality is likely to suffer.

Let me know if you need diagrams.

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 05:38 PM
No. You can put them in the wrong ears, someone else's ears, or indeed any body orifice at all. The only caveat is that it might be uncomfortable (especially if you choose your nostrils), and the sound quality is likely to suffer.

Let me know if you need diagrams.

I do like a nice caveat. So much more comfortable than a tie.

RachD
19th-August-2005, 05:45 PM
I do like a nice caveat. So much more comfortable than a tie.

Any editing needed on that one, Mooncalf?

JoC
19th-August-2005, 06:25 PM
No.Any idea why they bother suggesting a left and a right?

El Salsero Gringo
19th-August-2005, 06:31 PM
Any idea why they bother suggesting a left and a right?Well...

If you're listening to a stereo track then the studio engineer wants you to hear the mix the same way around as he did when he set it up.

And, speaking only for myself, I found that my iPod earpieces stopped causing me random yet excrutiating pain roughly every other day, *after* I noticed the little 'L' on one and the 'R' on the other.

JoC
19th-August-2005, 06:51 PM
So are there particular sounds that are always recorded for the left and right ear respectively I wonder, like particular frequencies for example, does the left ear prefer bass? I simply must know more! I'll have to go plug in and listen to all my music through head phones to research this further (if I couldn't think of anything better to do that is).

ducasi
19th-August-2005, 06:55 PM
Any idea why they bother suggesting a left and a right? Something to do with the wave-forms being inverted and how your brain is used to processing the sounds I think. Or was that when you mess up the wiring to your speakers??? :confused:

Anyway, if you get the headphones the wrong way round it's like turning your back to the musicians – and then they might think you don't like them. :tears:

El Salsero Gringo
19th-August-2005, 06:59 PM
So are there particular sounds that are always recorded for the left and right ear respectively I wonder, like particular frequencies for example, does the left ear prefer bass? I simply must know more! I'll have to go plug in and listen to all my music through head phones to research this further (if I couldn't think of anything better to do that is).Both ears ought to be equally sensitive as each other, biological variations notwithstanding, unless you've damaged the hearing in one ear. Your brain interprets the differences between the what it hears in each ear to give you an idea of which direction a sound comes from. For high frequences, the ear in which the sound is louder is assumed to be nearer to the sound; for lower frequences it's the phase difference between the ears that counts more. It's a complicated subject and much studied; there are a lot of subtleties about the way the brain interprets anything, least of something complicated like music.

In classical orchestras it's tradition to seat the musicians in a particular way - violins on the conductor's (and audience's) left, cellos and basses on the right, brass at the back and so on. If you're aware of this and you listen to a classical piece left-right reversed it just sounds 'wrong'.

For pop/rock, I imagine it makes less difference; the vocalist is usually placed in the centre of the mix with the other musicians around them.

Hope that's of interest.

mooncalf
19th-August-2005, 07:10 PM
Both ears ought to be equally sensitive as each other, biological variations notwithstanding, unless you've damaged the hearing in one ear. Your brain interprets the differences between the what it hears in each ear to give you an idea of which direction a sound comes from. For high frequences, the ear in which the sound is louder is assumed to be nearer to the sound; for lower frequences it's the phase difference between the ears that counts more. It's a complicated subject and much studied; there are a lot of subtleties about the way the brain interprets anything, least of something complicated like music.

In classical orchestras it's tradition to seat the musicians in a particular way - violins on the conductor's (and audience's) left, cellos and basses on the right, brass at the back and so on. If you're aware of this and you listen to a classical piece left-right reversed it just sounds 'wrong'.

For pop/rock, I imagine it makes less difference; the vocalist is usually placed in the centre of the mix with the other musicians around them.

Hope that's of interest.

Here's a report on some research that suggests that we may hear differently with our left and right ears. Of course I found it on the internet so it may all be nonsense.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=5480

El Salsero Gringo
19th-August-2005, 07:21 PM
Here's a report on some research that suggests that we may hear differently with our left and right ears. Of course I found it on the internet so it may all be nonsense.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=5480Sounds plausible, but the fact that it's dated September 2004 means it's fairly cutting edge stuff, and so not necessarily widely accepted.


Something to do with the wave-forms being inverted and how your brain is used to processing the sounds I think. Or was that when you mess up the wiring to your speakers???Yes, if you invert the phase of just one speaker (out of two) - by getting the cable the wrong way around, or just one earphone (harder to do) then the stereo 'image' is wrecked and music can sound very wierd.

JoC
19th-August-2005, 07:26 PM
Hope that's of interest.
Of great. However I now have a more pressing query, if I turn up to a salsa night, too late for the lesson, having only done one little tiny bit of lesson previously, what are the chances of my being able to follow salsa from the moment I step onto the dance floor...?

ducasi
19th-August-2005, 07:32 PM
Here's a report on some research that suggests that we may hear differently with our left and right ears. Of course I found it on the internet so it may all be nonsense.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=5480 That's the sort of stuff I was thinking off... I guess it's interrelated to the way we all tend to have a preference for which ear to listen on a telephone, and why you'll see people switch ear to concentrate to what the person is saying.

Apparently your left brain processes language-based sound, and your right brain does the rest. Which would imply that speech is better understood by the left ear, and music by the right.

So maybe this (unconsciously) influenced the traditional layout of orchestras, and also the sound balance created by a good sound engineers?


And, speaking only for myself, I found that my iPod earpieces stopped causing me random yet excrutiating pain roughly every other day, *after* I noticed the little 'L' on one and the 'R' on the other. I've found that headphones hurt my ears – when they're the right way round. :sick: Being left-handed, maybe my brain is wired differently and I should try them the wrong way round... :nice:

RachD
20th-August-2005, 01:16 PM
Here's a report on some research that suggests that we may hear differently with our left and right ears. Of course I found it on the internet so it may all be nonsense.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=5480


I am hearing you...

My ears block regularly, usually one or the other and occasionally both together. I have noticed that I will avoid social situations even when I can't hear through just one of them. I also find I may cancel dancing because I know I won't enjoy it. Of course, the latter could be because of both the musical interpretation side of it and/or the social interaction.

My dad suffers from this too and we have both said that when the one ear is blocked, it's frustrating how you can hear certain noises but not decipher the ones you are really wanting/needing to focus on.

I have never tried to work out which ear affects which problems before, but I am intrigued now.

RachD
20th-August-2005, 01:25 PM
Now Now....It's been proved that listening to music in an office environment increases concentration and improves productivity.

I have a very short attention span and listening to the radio (with one earphone) keeps me working for ages and stops my mind wondering.

I can still hear people (if they talk to me) and answer the phone (but not at the same time).

:cheers:

Lee


....And going by all of the above we have discussed... I wonder if Lee feels he has to wear the one earphone in any particular ear so that he is still able to concentrate on his work and/or be easily contactable?....

mooncalf
20th-August-2005, 01:44 PM
Sounds plausible, but the fact that it's dated September 2004 means it's fairly cutting edge stuff, and so not necessarily widely accepted.


People accept a lot of old nonsense as truth.

RachD
20th-August-2005, 02:00 PM
People accept a lot of old nonsense as truth.


Please post that one on the Starsigns thread?

RachD
22nd-August-2005, 01:00 PM
Of great. However I now have a more pressing query, if I turn up to a salsa night, too late for the lesson, having only done one little tiny bit of lesson previously, what are the chances of my being able to follow salsa from the moment I step onto the dance floor...?


We never answered your question JoC....I think the chances would be high if you are already a good follower of MJ..... Have you had the class yet? How did it go?

JoC
22nd-August-2005, 01:24 PM
How did it go?Was waaayyyyyyy too late for the class, slunk in well after 10 and had a great time after a slightly cautious start! Saw a couple of familiar faces there :whistle: who were a huge help (don't know if either of them are on the forum but thanks guys :hug: ) and I asked a few other chaps to take pity on a first timer. They did and I think I got the hang of at least a handful beginners moves :grin: . Also got to watch a bit of rueda which was pretty impressive, the guys were so casual about the partner swops, throwing their women away then scooping the next one up without the slightest hesitation. All good stuff thanks for asking RachD!

RachD
22nd-August-2005, 01:28 PM
Was waaayyyyyyy too late for the class, slunk in well after 10 and had a great time after a slightly cautious start! Saw a couple of familiar faces there :whistle: who were a huge help (don't know if either of them are on the forum but thanks guys :hug: ) and I asked a few other chaps to take pity on a first timer. They did and I think I got the hang of at least a handful beginners moves :grin: . Also got to watch a bit of rueda which was pretty impressive, the guys were so casual about the partner swops, throwing their women away then scooping the next one up without the slightest hesitation. All good stuff thanks for asking RachD!

Fantastic!
(I will pretend I know what Rueda is.... :whistle: )