Weston Super Mare Video

[ElaineB]

It's out - finished and sent out last Monday! That's just over two weeks :whistle:

I have reviewed DVD 3 and 4. The format is really good - the DVD shows each catergory through from the first round, to the final and the presentations. It also includes the scores for everyone competing. I understand from Steve that you need only buy the DVD/video that interests you - you do not have to buy all of them!

Well done Steve 'Hitman'. :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:


Elaine

[Mary]

It's out - finished and sent out last Monday! That's just over two weeks :whistle:

I have reviewed DVD 3 and 4. The format is really good - the DVD shows each catergory through from the first round, to the final and the presentations. It also includes the scores for everyone competing. I understand from Steve that you need only buy the DVD/video that interests you - you do not have to buy all of them!

Well done Steve 'Hitman'. :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:


Elaine


:yeah: :yeah:

M

[Donna]

It's out - finished and sent out last Monday! That's just over two weeks :whistle:

I have reviewed DVD 3 and 4. The format is really good - the DVD shows each catergory through from the first round, to the final and the presentations. It also includes the scores for everyone competing. I understand from Steve that you need only buy the DVD/video that interests you - you do not have to buy all of them!

Well done Steve 'Hitman'. :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:


Elaine

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Now hang on a minute.....this video was done in two weeks, and yet Blackpools has taken half the year so far and is still not ready, and the ceroc video couldn't even be released!!!!! Well well well, I think whoever was filming at WSM should have done Blackpool and Ceroc as well.

[David Bailey]

this video was done in two weeks, and yet Blackpools has taken half the year so far and is still not ready, and the ceroc video couldn't even be released!!!!! Well well well, I think whoever was filming at WSM should have done Blackpool and Ceroc as well.
It does seem weird - you'd think, the quicker the DVDs get produced, the more copies they'll sell, simply because the event is more fresh in people's minds.

I mean, "Do you want to get the Hot New Summer DVD, showing last year's competition at XXX" doesn't seem much of a selling point to me. I guess the low volume means the organisers have to take their place in the queue behind bigger jobs, but even so, you'd think there are small-volume specialisers who could be used.

In my work, I produce a few small-volume print jobs, but If I employed a printer that took 8 months to get something done, I'd not employ that printer anymore. And if they lost the source - well, they wouldn't because I always have the source, that way I know who to blame if it gets lost.

Would people prefer "raw" quickly-produced DVDs, or would they prefer to wait for more professional, but much later, releases?

[Donna]

It does seem weird - you'd think, the quicker the DVDs get produced, the more copies they'll sell, simply because the event is more fresh in people's minds.
:yeah: :yeah:


I mean, "Do you want to get the Hot New Summer DVD, showing last year's competition at XXX" doesn't seem much of a selling point to me. I guess the low volume means the organisers have to take their place in the queue behind bigger jobs, but even so, you'd think there are small-volume specialisers who could be used.

To be honest with you I tend not to buy old competition videos unless I really want to look for something/someone different to learn to take into the next competition. The organisers tend to sell more to those who were competing or friends and family of those who were competing.


In my work, I produce a few small-volume print jobs,.

Wow...you say in your profile it's boring....sounds like you don't work for a very busy company either...I'm not surprised. Same here....that's why we're both always on this forum I guess!!! Well, it's something to do innit???? :wink:


Would people prefer "raw" quickly-produced DVDs, or would they prefer to wait for more professional, but much later, releases?

So long as it plays properly from beginning to end and the quality is just about good enough, then "raw" quickly-produced DVDs will do me fine. Better than waiting nearly a whole year for it or even worse, DVD's getting cancelled through not being able to complete it on time innit??!!!! :rolleyes:

[under par]

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Now hang on a minute.....this video was done in two weeks, and yet Blackpools has taken half the year so far and is still not ready, and the ceroc video couldn't even be released!!!!! Well well well, I think whoever was filming at WSM should have done Blackpool and Ceroc as well.


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If the weston dvd of last year is anything to go by then the quality is great, and with such short delivery times it puts the other operators to SHAME.

[Donna]

it puts the other operators to SHAME.

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[Dazzle]

It is my understanding that many of the other DVD's are produced on a DVD sales only basis. In other words, the Video people are not paid for filming and only make on the sales of the final product. This is good financially for the organisers, however, the film companies obviously have other high priority paid/contracted work that will always take precedence and so such production will inevitably take a back burner. :mad:

Having produced a DVD myself I don't under-estimate the work involved for a quality, professional product :worthy: . I don't know what the answer is to please everyone? I am sure there will be plenty of suggestions. :whistle:

[Donna]

Having produced a DVD myself I don't under-estimate the work involved for a quality, professional product :worthy: . I don't know what the answer is to please everyone? I am sure there will be plenty of suggestions. :whistle:

What DVD is that then?? Have you heard the ceroc one has been cancelled?? I'm absolutely livid about that!!!! :mad:

[David Bailey]

It is my understanding that many of the other DVD's are produced on a DVD sales only basis. In other words, the Video people are not paid for filming and only make on the sales of the final product. This is good financially for the organisers, however, the film companies obviously have other high priority paid/contracted work that will always take precedence and so such production will inevitably take a back burner. :mad:
That sounds highly plausible.

But, come on, 8 months? It hardly seems worth doing really. There must be other ways of doing it.

Couple of possibilities I thought of, just off the top of my head:
- Get people at weekenders to pay (at least some of the cash) for the DVDs upfront? That'd give the organisers some cash to give in advance to the producers, so should speed things up / provide an incentive to the producers.
- Offer download-only versions; this saves on packaging, production and distribution, which all take time and money.

The point is, the delays in producing these are unprofessional. Clearly these things can be done pretty quickly. 2 weeks is great - 8 months is amateur. And "not doing them at all" is way worse than amateur...

[Dazzle]

What DVD is that then?? Have you heard the ceroc one has been cancelled?? I'm absolutely livid about that!!!! :mad:

It was an instructor DVD for you know who. Hadn't heard about the Ceroc one. Seems very disappointing though for those that went and more so for competitors. Were you allowed to use personal camcorders on the day? If not then it is really out of order to cancel it now. What was the reasoning again for cancelling?


The point is, the delays in producing these are unprofessional. Clearly these things can be done pretty quickly. 2 weeks is great - 8 months is amateur. And "not doing them at all" is way worse than amateur...

I totally agree. If they don't make any money on sales then they only have themselves to blame, but it is small consolation for those waiting and wanting them, like me!

[David Bailey]

What was the reasoning again for cancelling?
Apparently, the production company had let them down - somehow had lost the masters, which seems amazing...

To be fair to Ceroc, this is beyond their control - and they did send a "Shall We Dance" DVD out as compensation. But it sounds like these DVDs do often take a long time to get into production generally, which is poor.

[Donna]

Apparently, the production company had let them down - somehow had lost the masters, which seems amazing...

To be fair to Ceroc, this is beyond their control - and they did send a "Shall We Dance" DVD out as compensation. But it sounds like these DVDs do often take a long time to get into production generally, which is poor.

Replaced with a 'shall we dance' video?? Seen it. Anything else???

[Easter Bunny]

It's out - finished and sent out last Monday! That's just over two weeks :whistle:

I have reviewed DVD 3 and 4. The format is really good - the DVD shows each catergory through from the first round, to the final and the presentations. It also includes the scores for everyone competing. I understand from Steve that you need only buy the DVD/video that interests you - you do not have to buy all of them!

Oh yes, and whilst talking about the DVD of Weston, I finally got to see you and Simon in your showcase. You guys were amazing, and didn't look a bit nervous. Still can't wait to see it again (in the flesh, so to speak) - I hear you might be doing it in Edinburgh ? x L :flower: :hug:

Well done Steve 'Hitman'. :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

:yeah: :yeah:

Other Comp. Organisers please take note.

[El Salsero Gringo]

Apparently, the production company had let them down - somehow had lost the masters, which seems amazing...Just to point out, that this may in fact not be true at all, and the source of the cancellation might just be a financial dispute between Ceroc and the production company.

[David Bailey]

Just to point out, that this may in fact not be true at all, and the source of the cancellation might just be a financial dispute between Ceroc and the production company.
Hey, you expect accuracy in my rumour-mongering?

Who do you think I am, Sir Ian Blair or something? :innocent:

[Donna]

Just to point out, that this may in fact not be true at all, and the source of the cancellation might just be a financial dispute between Ceroc and the production company.

Has anyone found out what happened to the Ceroc one after then????

[Donna]

Just want to say a bit THANK YOU to Steve for the DVD!! Very well put together, very clever!!! Quality is fantastic and all in just two weeks!!! Amazing!!! EVERYBODY ORDER IT NOW!!!!!! :clap:

[Rachel]

Apparently, the production company had let them down - somehow had lost the masters, which seems amazing...
The masters are not lost.


Just to point out, that this may in fact not be true at all, and the source of the cancellation might just be a financial dispute between Ceroc and the production company.
:yeah:

I really sympathise with anyone who had competed and wanted a copy of the dvd - it's awful news. But could we hold off from apportioning blame onto the one side or the other just yet - I don't think any of us know the full details.

Rachel

[Donna]

I really sympathise with anyone who had competed and wanted a copy of the dvd - it's awful news. But could we hold off from apportioning blame onto the one side or the other just yet - I don't think any of us know the full details.

Rachel

Any way of finding out the truth about this DVD? I'd really be interested to know what has happened to it.

[Gus]

Back on thread...

Got a copy of the advanced DVD to review and below are my comments;

Overall very good quality and editing. The Chapters seemed to be set up well, the idea of overlaying the scores was nice and the camera work seemed sharp and well tracked.

My question really relates to the two edged sword of a) videoing the whole floor, so you see everyone but it feels 'flat'. or b) following key couples doing cool things, lot more dynamic and engaging but you loose what everyone else is doing.

Hitman seems to have gone for a mixture, I think it works about as well as it could but in future, given the flexibility of DVDs, to give the audience the choice of BOTH, i.e. either the remote camera or the following camera ... just a thought.

Final thoughts ... min improvement would have been a menu option to change the music it was bl**dy AWEFULL ( :tears: ) and an option to mute Sherif (he seems to go on just a tad :rolleyes: ).

Other than that, a good buy!

[Paul F]

Back on thread...
Hitman seems to have gone for a mixture, I think it works about as well as it could but in future, given the flexibility of DVDs, to give the audience the choice of BOTH, i.e. either the remote camera or the following camera ... just a thought.


Thats a great idea. :clap:
I would seriously consider buying more DVDs if this were the case.

I wonder if the competitors would be more nervous knowing that people can zoom in on them :D :D

[DavidB]

My question really relates to the two edged sword of a) videoing the whole floor, so you see everyone but it feels 'flat'. or b) following key couples doing cool things, lot more dynamic and engaging but you loose what everyone else is doing.
I'm waiting for the first 'Interactive' dance competition. You could just imagine Sherif saying "And for those of you watching on Satellite or Cable, push the Red button on your handset for more options. Our DancerCam allows you to follow each individual couple. CriticCam turns the camera on you - we pick out well known critics of certain couples so they can show you just how it should be done. Our Competitions include the popular 'Beat The Intro' where you gamble on how many moves it takes to guess the song. (We still have no winners) '

On a more serious note - how do you pick the 'key couples'?

[David Franklin]

On a more serious note - how do you pick the 'key couples'?Judging by previous videos, a 'key couple' is anybody other than the couple the crowd is cheering for. Research has shown that if can see the move that elicits the cheers, you will tend to think "that wasn't that good really". Whereas cheering for an unseen move leads you to imagine something far more exciting than the reality.

There is an alternative theory that a key couple is one where the lady's costume is showing a lot of cleavage.