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Little Monkey
27th-April-2005, 06:22 PM
I've just been wondering....

Very occasionally a person might crop up at a venue who will "behave badly". This unwanted and unsociable behaviour might consist of such things as:

- Being drunk in the class / when dancing
- Hurting his partner(s) repeatedly
- Being rude, slagging off people etc.
- Being very sleezy, touching up people when dancing
etc, etc, etc.......

When do you think behaviour like this should be reported to the teachers / venue managers? And what will get done? Is it a case of first a warning, then if the behaviour doesn't stop, and complaints about the same person keep being made, they will be denied access to that particular venue?

Any thoughts?

LM

David Bailey
27th-April-2005, 07:08 PM
When do you think behaviour like this should be reported to the teachers / venue managers?

Immediately. No messing, no hesitation, no "give him (it's 99% a him) a second chance". I know it's awkward, but you'll be doing yourself and others a favour if you do it quickly.



And what will get done? Is it a case of first a warning, then if the behaviour doesn't stop, and complaints about the same person keep being made, they will be denied access to that particular venue?
Warning / disciplinary procedures are down to specific organisations, but I'd imagine they'd have to give a warning first, then go to exclusions, etc. I'd prefer them to chuck the offender out as a first warning, then work their way up, but proper organisers have to go through the hoops.

This sort of behaviour is the curse of all MJ venues, the 1% of people that are nasty. They all know exactly what they're doing, and they're all counting on you being too nice to do anything about it. Don't let them in your club, just bar these scumbags.

Ultimately, of course, you can call the police. You wouldn't put up with this in any other place, why put up with it at your local dance club?

I suspect Gus may also have a thing or two to say on this area...

stewart38
28th-April-2005, 12:59 PM
I've just been wondering....

Very occasionally a person might crop up at a venue who will "behave badly". This unwanted and unsociable behaviour might consist of such things as:

- Being drunk in the class / when dancing
- Hurting his partner(s) repeatedly
- Being rude, slagging off people etc.
- Being very sleezy, touching up people when dancing
etc, etc, etc.......

When do you think behaviour like this should be reported to the teachers / venue managers? And what will get done? Is it a case of first a warning, then if the behaviour doesn't stop, and complaints about the same person keep being made, they will be denied access to that particular venue?

Any thoughts?

LM

I think you would have to clarify what you mean ?

a) Ie dancing with a drunk lady (happens very very rarely)
b) or some one looking for fight when drunk (experience it once in 10yrs)

I see a) as funny/sad b) more serious

Re hurting partner my 'ex' hit me six times in the stomach because i danced twice with someone else. Thats six times on the dance floor !! No body jump to my rescue !

the sleezy thing has been discussed elsewhere and rude thing ? not expereince that

bobgadjet
28th-April-2005, 01:23 PM
I've just been wondering....

Very occasionally a person might crop up at a venue who will "behave badly". This unwanted and unsociable behaviour might consist of such things as:

- Being drunk in the class / when dancing
- Hurting his partner(s) repeatedly
- Being rude, slagging off people etc.
- Being very sleezy, touching up people when dancing
etc, etc, etc.......

When do you think behaviour like this should be reported to the teachers / venue managers? And what will get done? Is it a case of first a warning, then if the behaviour doesn't stop, and complaints about the same person keep being made, they will be denied access to that particular venue?

Any thoughts?

LM

Whether or not this has been brought up before I think it's always a good thing to bring it up.... time and time again, especially where the integrity nof the venue is in danger.

None of us want to go to a venue that gets a "reputation".

I will make an assumption that this would bother the females rather than the males, as they may feel more intimidated/fragile.

In any event, the outcome should be the same.

I had a recent (last 2 months) occasion when a lady came up and told me that a certain man was being "rather too touchy".
I told her I would check it out.
Rather than approach the man I asked a couple of other ladies who I knew could be "objective" to dance with him and let me know what they thought. They didn't have an idea why, at that time.
They both came back with more or less the same answer....
"He's a nice dancer, good musicallity, style, lead, etc etc" so I then told them both why.
The first lady said that he was no more "touchy" than anybody else she had danced with, and she danced to most tracks with loads of other guys.
The other lady said "Just look at me (stunner) and the way I'm dressed, If that would have not given temption to "touching", I don't know what would have. She was wearing not very much, and what she was wearing was VERY tight and figure hugging.

The point I'm making is that one persons thoughts on another persons behaviour has to be checked out.

Whilst I'm not (and never will) condoning ANY form of poor behaviour, if ANY action is to be taken the complaint has to be verified before any action is taken.

If it is obvious, or backed up, then IMMEDIATE action should be taken, but with an explanation. I personally would expell the offender after an explanation, and tell him that next time he would be permanently barred.

NO caution, as that is "letting off lightly" IMO.

I would also inform other venue operators of the guys description / membership number . We have the technology, lets put it to good use.

On the other side of the coin, how would the venue deal with a female being reported for being too provocative ?

I would be very interested to know if any males would in fact report such a behaviour, or, maybe......... just join the queue for a dance :innocent:

Gus
28th-April-2005, 01:34 PM
I suspect Gus may also have a thing or two to say on this area...I suspect that Gus has already said too much on this area :whistle:

Graham
28th-April-2005, 01:43 PM
I suspect that Gus has already said too much on this area :whistle:
:what: *steps back in amazement* :wink:

foxylady
28th-April-2005, 02:01 PM
Whilst I'm not (and never will) condoning ANY form of poor behaviour, if ANY action is to be taken the complaint has to be verified before any action is taken.

I had occasion to speak to someone. I didn't find his dancing offensive, however I could see that beginners, who aren't yet used to the closeness of partner dancing, would (a couple had complained to me). I also felt that he took advantage of their newness to do things he wouldn't with others. I took the line that one shouldn't do UCP with less experienced women, as they wouldn't see it as just dancing, and was able to bring it up in a non-confrontional way as he had been complaining to me about how stiff and uncomfortable some of the newer women seemed.

It genuinely seemed that he had no idea that the way he danced could cause offence.

I have also stopped danicing with some men, who I used to dance with regularly, who became too UCP. Now as many of you will know, I have quite a bluesy style and with certain people who I know and trust can be quite sleazy on the dancefloor, but the bit in bold is the key. I think sometimes people will see you dancing in a certain way with one person and just assume they can do the same. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, but it doesn't make them worthy of being cautioned on a general level, just that one personally doesn't feel comfortable with them...
(does that make any sense ?)




On the other side of the coin, how would the venue deal with a female being reported for being too provocative ?

I would be very interested to know if any males would in fact report such a behaviour, or, maybe......... just join the queue for a dance :innocent:

One of the London taxi dancers regulary says at the end of the taxi revision classes 'any men behaving inappropriately should be pointed out to the taxi's or the venue manager, and any women behaving inappropriately should be pointed out to him !' :wink:

drathzel
28th-April-2005, 02:11 PM
i want to get a t-shirt that says " My bum is my property do not touch unless given permission"!!!!

David Bailey
28th-April-2005, 02:11 PM
:what: *steps back in amazement* :wink:
:yeah: :yeah: Falls back down on the floor in gob-smacked amazement. :what:

Gus
28th-April-2005, 02:16 PM
:yeah: :yeah: Falls back down on the floor in gob-smacked amazement. :what:OK peasants ... mock you may ... BUT ... read the previous threads. My clubs have previous taken appropriate action where pervs were concerned and ensured that the innocent retained their pure reputations.

There is just ONE character left to take down .... we all know who I mean ..... and the numbers who want to make sure it happen are growing.

Sparkles
28th-April-2005, 02:33 PM
i want to get a t-shirt that says " My bum is my property do not touch unless given permission"!!!!

I wonder if the offenders would then take this as an open invitation to grope various other parts of your anatomy?
And of course, then they would all have a valid excuse for staring at your chest :rolleyes:.

S. x

drathzel
28th-April-2005, 02:38 PM
I wonder if the offenders would then take this as an open invitation to grope various other parts of your anatomy?
And of course, then they would all have a valid excuse for staring at your chest :rolleyes:.

S. x

not much of a chest to stare at so im not too worried!!!! :rofl:

Little Monkey
28th-April-2005, 02:38 PM
I think you would have to clarify what you mean ?

a) Ie dancing with a drunk lady (happens very very rarely)
b) or some one looking for fight when drunk (experience it once in 10yrs)


None of the above, really..... The person in question is male, goes to ceroc as a social night out (i think???) rather than to improve as a dancer, which is ok by me. He's regularly p****d during class, hence not paying much attention to what the teachers say, is uncoordinated as a result of the drinking, and end up hurting his partners because of using excess force or trying to force the ladies into moves he doesn't have a clue how to lead, again due to being drunk. He is also known to loudly slag off other dancers, teachers etc, and generally be very rude and obnoxious to people.

I do not know if he drinks to get "courage" to dance, or if he's just oblivious to what the alcohol does to his behaviour and to his dancing abilities. I also don't know if he's generally this rude, or only when drunk...

Basically it's one of my friends who's upset about his behaviour. I've danced with him a couple of times, and now avoid him like the plague. He has also been pretty obnoxious to me in the past, but I've chosen to ignore him. I think I shall have to find out if a lot of other people feel the same way as my friend about his behaviour, and then have a word with the venue manager / Franck. I think the venue manager is already aware of this person's behaviour anyway....

LM

El Salsero Gringo
28th-April-2005, 03:14 PM
I'd prefer them to chuck the offender out as a first warning, then work their way up, but proper organisers have to go through the hoops.I've (more or less) been accused of this at 'squins, since I had a lady literally run off the dance floor in the middle of a waltz (during the class). She told me I was dancing too close, but in a way that made it clear she was very suspicious of my motives. I was a bit annoyed, since more or less every third sentence that Hannes (the teacher) had said emphasised that there should be body contact between partners. Also I felt that if she wasn't comfortable she owed me the courtesy of letting me know, given that it was a class. If I was hanging on a bit tight it was nothing more than beginner's panic. I also wanted to point out to her that were I the kind of guy who gets a kick out of dancing UCP with a girl (actually, I'm not) then she shouldn't flatter herself by imagining that she'd be anywhere near the top of my list. I think I'd be even more miffed if following a word from her to management I were immediately thrown out of the venue!


i want to get a t-shirt that says " My bum is my property do not touch unless given permission"!!!!Oddly enough, in law, at any rate, it isn't your property. Parts of the body cannot be owned. A recent House of Lords decision (http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld200405/ldjudgmt/jd050310/bent-1.htm) allowed an appeal against a conviction for possession of an imitation firearm by a man who pointed a finger inside his zipped-up jacket to give the impression that he had a gun. As Lord Bingham of Cornhill put it: "One cannot possess something which is not separate and distinct from oneself. An unsevered hand or finger is part of oneself. Therefore, one cannot possess it." One can only presume that he would extend the same argument to the rest of the body.

drathzel
28th-April-2005, 03:17 PM
Oddly enough, in law, at any rate, it isn't your property. Parts of the body cannot be owned. A recent House of Lords decision (http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld200405/ldjudgmt/jd050310/bent-1.htm) allowed an appeal against a conviction for possession of an imitation firearm by a man who pointed a finger inside his zipped-up jacket to give the impression that he had a gun. As Lord Bingham of Cornhill put it: "One cannot possess something which is not separate and distinct from oneself. An unsevered hand or finger is part of oneself. Therefore, one cannot possess it." One can only presume that he would extend the same argument to the rest of the body.

Its my bum and i will own it if i want humph :mad: !

But can you own someone elses bum? :whistle: :innocent:

Jazz_Shoes (Ash)
28th-April-2005, 04:24 PM
Oddly enough, in law, at any rate, it isn't your property. Parts of the body cannot be owned. A recent House of Lords decision allowed an appeal against a conviction for possession of an imitation firearm by a man who pointed a finger inside his zipped-up jacket to give the impression that he had a gun. As Lord Bingham of Cornhill put it: "One cannot possess something which is not separate and distinct from oneself. An unsevered hand or finger is part of oneself. Therefore, one cannot possess it." One can only presume that he would extend the same argument to the rest of the body.

That's the biggest load of rubbish i've ever heard! But quite funny as it is soo stupid :rofl:


Its my bum and i will own it if i want humph :mad: !

I agree with you drathzel, as far as i'm concerned I own mine too! :angry:



But can you own someone elses bum? :whistle: :innocent:

Haha-that'd be funny! But also quite weird :what:

El Salsero Gringo
28th-April-2005, 04:32 PM
That's the biggest load of rubbish i've ever heard! But quite funny as it is soo stupid :rofl:Did you read the whole judgement before accusing the Senior Law Lord of stupidity?

David Bailey
28th-April-2005, 04:43 PM
OK peasants ... mock you may ... BUT ... read the previous threads. My clubs have previous taken appropriate action where pervs were concerned and ensured that the innocent retained their pure reputations.
Hey, I'm not mocking (well, maybe just a bit), I'm genuinely supportive.

I admit, it may be difficult to tell the difference sometimes though. :blush:

David Bailey
28th-April-2005, 04:46 PM
i want to get a t-shirt that says " My bum is my property do not touch unless given permission"!!!!
Or, print it on the sensitive area rather than the opposite side, then say "can't you read!?" :)

David Bailey
28th-April-2005, 04:48 PM
I've (more or less) been accused of this at 'squins, since I had a lady literally run off the dance floor in the middle of a waltz (during the class). She told me I was dancing too close, but in a way that made it clear she was very suspicious of my motives.
Ooer, that is a bit worrying...



I also wanted to point out to her that were I the kind of guy who gets a kick out of dancing UCP with a girl ... she shouldn't flatter herself by imagining that she'd be anywhere near the top of my list.
You silver-tongued devil, you...

Jazz_Shoes (Ash)
28th-April-2005, 04:49 PM
Did you read the whole judgement before accusing the Senior Law Lord of stupidity?

Uhh...yes, but I didn't really...actually understand it :blush: I only thought funny what I actually understood.....if that makes sense :wink:

I'm getting confused :whistle:

stewart38
28th-April-2005, 05:01 PM
None of the above, really..... The person in question is male, goes to ceroc as a social night out (i think???) rather than to improve as a dancer, which is ok by me. He's regularly p****d during class, hence not paying much attention to what the teachers say, is uncoordinated as a result of the drinking, and end up hurting his partners because of using excess force or trying to force the ladies into moves he doesn't have a clue how to lead, again due to being drunk. He is also known to loudly slag off other dancers, teachers etc, and generally be very rude and obnoxious to people.

I do not know if he drinks to get "courage" to dance, or if he's just oblivious to what the alcohol does to his behaviour and to his dancing abilities. I also don't know if he's generally this rude, or only when drunk...

Basically it's one of my friends who's upset about his behaviour. I've danced with him a couple of times, and now avoid him like the plague. He has also been pretty obnoxious to me in the past, but I've chosen to ignore him. I think I shall have to find out if a lot of other people feel the same way as my friend about his behaviour, and then have a word with the venue manager / Franck. I think the venue manager is already aware of this person's behaviour anyway....

LM

So its about one person again and not a general observation and its about a 'friend' who is upset about 'his behaviour'. If a lot of people feel the same way, problem solved go the venue organiser.

qu) Does he turned up ****ed ? Or does he go the bar or bring his own vodka ?

If he is ****ed during class im assuming he turns up ****ed. From what you say he would have been kicked out long ago so I assume its a perosnal rather then a general observation. How do you know he 'hurts his partners'

Is the guy on this forum to defend himself ?

Again this may sound harsh but i think the full facts behind the thread should be disclosed.

Graham
28th-April-2005, 05:05 PM
OK peasants ... mock you may ... BUT ... read the previous threads. My clubs have previous taken appropriate action where pervs were concerned and ensured that the innocent retained their pure reputations.
Just to clarify, although I was teasing you, I am fully supportive of the stance you have long taken on this subject.


But can you own someone elses bum?
No - Lord Bingham's ruling was that NOBODY can possess still-attached live body parts, including the person to whom they're attached. Ownership of an entire person (and by extension parts of the entire person) is I imagine illegal under slavery statutes.


I wonder if the offenders would then take this as an open invitation to grope various other parts of your anatomy?
I think that would be a distinct danger! :rofl:

Wendy
28th-April-2005, 05:26 PM
And in the name of equal opportunites, you'd have to check that the slogan across her chest was also written in braille right ??? :rolleyes:

Wxxx

Baruch
28th-April-2005, 05:31 PM
But can you own someone elses bum? :whistle: :innocent:
Well, since the words "All I am I give to you" were part of the vows when I got married, my bum technically belongs to my wife. But then, hers is mine too :wink:

Stuart M
28th-April-2005, 05:36 PM
And in the name of equal opportunites, you'd have to check that the slogan across her chest was also written in braille right ??? :rolleyes:

Wxxx
Yes, Wendy, that's a much better solution than, say, pulling a guy's head in for a closer look :whistle: :wink:

spindr
28th-April-2005, 06:19 PM
And in the name of equal opportunites, you'd have to check that the slogan across her chest was also written in braille right ??? :rolleyes:

Great minds :) -- check out the (yellow) aside: http://www.afterfive.co.uk/guide/latest/html/dancing_with_confidence.html#while_dancing

SpinDr.

Little Monkey
28th-April-2005, 07:13 PM
So its about one person again and not a general observation and its about a 'friend' who is upset about 'his behaviour'. If a lot of people feel the same way, problem solved go the venue organiser.

qu) Does he turned up ****ed ? Or does he go the bar or bring his own vodka ?

If he is ****ed during class im assuming he turns up ****ed. From what you say he would have been kicked out long ago so I assume its a perosnal rather then a general observation. How do you know he 'hurts his partners'

Is the guy on this forum to defend himself ?

Again this may sound harsh but i think the full facts behind the thread should be disclosed.

I initially intended this to be a hypothetical scenario type thing, so as not to offend anyone... By answering questions about the persons behaviour, it's now more specific and personal. I wasn't really interested in slagging someone off behind their back! If I disclose the full facts, then we'd rollercoaster straight into the slagging-off scenario, and as far as I know, the person in question is not a member of the forum, and can therefore not defend himself.

What I tried to do was paint a general picture of someone's unwanted and unsociable behaviour, without going into where this person dances etc. (it might be a number of places, as I have friends dancing in venues all over Scotland!). I'm just interested to know if anyone else have had to deal with similar problems, and what has been done.

Incidentally, I know this person hurts his dance partners, as three girls I know has complained about this to me after dancing with him, and I've had the unpleasant experience of being hurt by him myself. And yes, I think I shall advice my friend(s) to report his behaviour to the venue manager

Whether or not he's drunk on arrival or gets steadily drunk throughout the evening I don't think is relevant. What's relevant is that his drinking causes offencive behaviour, and also seems to cause considerable discomfort to his dance partners. Of course, if he's really steaming already as he arrives at the venue, I would assume the venue manager or teacher might turn him away??

Does this answer your questions?

LM :flower:

David Bailey
28th-April-2005, 07:32 PM
I initially intended this to be a hypothetical scenario type thing, so as not to offend anyone... By answering questions about the persons behaviour, it's now more specific and personal.
Hmmm... I'd quit now if I were you, I too feel this is getting iffy... Talk to the relevant venue organiser, that's all I can suggest.

Hope that helps, and that you still enjoy dancing at the venue.

El Salsero Gringo
28th-April-2005, 07:33 PM
Well, since the words "All I am I give to you" were part of the vows when I got married, my bum technically belongs to my wife. But then, hers is mine too :wink:Without having met either of you, I suspect that you got the better end of that bargain...

Gus
28th-April-2005, 07:57 PM
Hey, I'm not mocking (well, maybe just a bit), I'm genuinely supportive.

I admit, it may be difficult to tell the difference sometimes though. :blush:Dave ... Chill pal ..... I was only mocking myself .... I have had a tendancy to go on about this one a bit in the past. :o

Its nice to see some new perspectives come out on this thread though. there are a couple of 'drunks' who still attend a certain S Manchester venue ... the venue management do nohting about it and the guys continue to be a liability! :tears:

David Bailey
28th-April-2005, 08:01 PM
Dave ... Chill pal ..... I was only mocking myself .... I have had a tendancy to go on about this one a bit in the past. :o
I AM CHILL!
:)

On a more serious note, I am glad you do so, please carry on doing so, you're totally right to do so. Have a :worthy:

Baruch
29th-April-2005, 12:10 AM
Without having met either of you, I suspect that you got the better end of that bargain...
You're not wrong! :cheers:

johnthehappyguy
29th-April-2005, 10:50 AM
I was at an evening recently:-

I asked a beginner lady to dance, I had danced with her several times in the past.

This time she said she was feeling quite unwell as her previous dance she had felt very unsafe as the man had put her into a lot of drops, and did many complex moves.

She told me she felt very embarrased, but did not want to walk away as people were already laughing, cheering and clapping at her predicament.

I reassured her that it was him at fault , not her.

I was understandably especially gentle with the lady throughout our dance.

At the end while we were still on the floor, a taxi dancer came up, and said to the beginner - let me show you what YOU were doing wrong - with the previous track.

I was then asked by the taxi dancer, to help demonstrate the correct way to do drops, which I felt quite uncomfortable doing.

Goodness knows what impression the beginner got.

Should I have reported the man ?

johnthehappyguy :nice:

bobgadjet
29th-April-2005, 11:07 AM
Should I have reported the man ?

johnthehappyguy :nice:
That depends I s'pose.

Was the Taxi a man ?

Who do you report, the dancer or the Taxi ?

Would you report the dancer for being inconsiderate enough to "drop" the lady too much, or in the wrong way, or even to do so without making sure she would respond correctly so as not to feel un comfortable, or unwell afterwards.

OR

Would you report the Taxi for making her feel more uncomfortable, and maybe putting her thru another form of humiliation.

IMO you should have taken the Taxi to one side and mentioned what the lady had said, and asked him to leave her alone.

You might, if you get a chance, follow it up if she, and the taxi are there next time, and ask him, maybe, to apologise on behalf of "the organisation" for embarrasing her.

I would have thought it well above board to mention the matter to the event organiser, and at the least buy her a drink, or maybe give her a free entry, not only to encourage her to come back, but to apologise for maybe a spoilt evening.

It's NEVER too late to apologise, it just gets harder to do the longer you wait to do it.

:worthy: for taking her back on the dancfloor and treating her gently.:clap:

In fact, have some rep :cheers:

stewart38
29th-April-2005, 11:10 AM
I was at an evening recently:-

I asked a beginner lady to dance, I had danced with her several times in the past.

This time she said she was feeling quite unwell as her previous dance she had felt very unsafe as the man had put her into a lot of drops, and did many complex moves.

She told me she felt very embarrased, but did not want to walk away as people were already laughing, cheering and clapping at her predicament.

I reassured her that it was him at fault , not her.

I was understandably especially gentle with the lady throughout our dance.

At the end while we were still on the floor, a taxi dancer came up, and said to the beginner - let me show you what YOU were doing wrong - with the previous track.

I was then asked by the taxi dancer, to help demonstrate the correct way to do drops, which I felt quite uncomfortable doing.

Goodness knows what impression the beginner got.

Should I have reported the man ?

johnthehappyguy :nice:

I mentioned on another thread about a taxi dancer in London who threw a total beginner all over the place. I took her there, it was her first time. She didn’t like that and hasn’t come back despite reassurances it was not 'normal behaviour for a 'Taxi dancer'

El Salsero Gringo
29th-April-2005, 11:22 AM
I mentioned on another thread about a taxi dancer in London who threw a total beginner all over the place. I took her there, it was her first time. She didn’t like that and hasn’t come back despite reassurances it was not 'normal behaviour for a 'Taxi dancer'Did you mention it to the taxi-dancer at the time (or later)? It can be quite hard to judge what a beginner would like to experience, and if I were to make that mistake I think I should prefer to have it pointed out to me.

Magic Hans
29th-April-2005, 11:42 AM
...
At the end while we were still on the floor, a taxi dancer came up, and said to the beginner - let me show you what YOU were doing wrong - with the previous track.

I was then asked by the taxi dancer, to help demonstrate the correct way to do drops, which I felt quite uncomfortable doing.

Goodness knows what impression the beginner got.

Should I have reported the man ?

johnthehappyguy :nice:

Yes, both of them!! This sounds to me like macho male egotism gone mental.

My impression (based on very very little fact!), is that 1st man is trying to prove a point, (in particular, his manliness), and impress not only his dance partner, but also his audience, with little or no consideration for how his partner is.

Then 2nd man (taxi) undoes all your good work, of taking things easy - one step at a time. By, basically saying - okay girl, your cr*p, this is how to do it, 'cos I'm fab! It's pathetic. I wouldn't want a taxi dancer like that coming within spitting distance of any beginner friend of mine! [please remember, this is opinion, be it strong, based on very little fact, and plenty of assumption!]

Ian

El Salsero Gringo
29th-April-2005, 11:55 AM
Yes, both of them!! This sounds to me like macho male egotism gone mental.... {snip}.... his audienceHis audience? How about their audience?

It's very easy to interpret this in the light of the remarks the woman made *afterwards*, but on the other side of the coin, if people were applauding then they were obviously making quite a good job of it. Without being there it's impossible to say, but some girls like to be whisked through more complex moves and shown off a bit. And the taxi dancer (who's not paid and most likely not had much training) no doubt thought he was being helpful. I've never met any Taxi Dancers who have the attitude that says "I'm fab!" - nor any that I'd describe as pathetic.

Like I say, it's terribly easy to rush up after the event and put in the boot.

Northants Girly
29th-April-2005, 12:01 PM
I've never met any Taxi Dancers who have the attitude that says "I'm fab!" Good - I'm glad :D

But I have :whistle:

Graham
29th-April-2005, 01:08 PM
Should I have reported the man ?
If you mean the original drop-merchant, then I think you should have discussed it with the taxi and come to an agreement whether to report him. You don't mention if the taxi was male or female, so I don't know whether you're asking about reporting the taxi. In my view it sounds as if he/she was possibly rather tactless, and I think that's something which ideally you should have been able to point out to him/her directly, but if you didn't feel comfortable doing that then by all means you could have reported it.

johnthehappyguy
29th-April-2005, 01:25 PM
Sorry previous posting was unclear.

The taxi-dancer was a woman.

Graham
29th-April-2005, 02:37 PM
In that case, as I said, you should have discussed it with the taxi dancer and agreed with her what action to take, assuming she witnessed the incident.