Just A Query....

[Unregistered]

Does popularity = good dancer?

Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.


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[Minnie M]

Does popularity = good dancer?

Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.


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Oh dear who had a bad night :whistle:

[bigdjiver]

Does popularity = good dancer?
Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits. ???Popularity is the same as anywhere else. I have seen several that only seem to come to chat / watch / feel the vibe.

[ChrisA]

Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.

Ah, but what makes your face fit?

I think it's the same as in any environment. You need to be known, to make people feel good by your being there.

Some people are naturally good-looking, which helps, obviously, but only insofar as people are more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt until they know them.

After that, it's more to do with what you're like, especially on the dance floor (as opposed to the seats round the side), since there it's at least as much about feel as about look.

I don't think it automatically follows that if you're a good dancer you'll be popular, but I'd be surprised if anyone could be popular on the dance floor and be a bad dancer.

Chris

[Clive Long]

Does popularity = good dancer?

Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.

???

Got me thinking (dangerous I know).

There is one woman I have danced with. She is incredibly attractive (certainly to me) and she is never without male attention. She has become a fairly good dancer because she could dance all night if she wanted to.

However.

Whenever she dances it is with an air of weary detachment. She never "engages" in the dance. I guess (and it is only a guess) it is because
a. she doesn't really like dancing with me
or
b. she really likes dancing but she gets so much "unwelcome" attention that she can't act in any way to give a guy the impression he is "in with a chance".

As a result I have given up dancing with her and dance instead with most women who ask me (as long as I'm not exhausted) or women who I know at least appear to enjoy dancing with me - and they become more attractive to me as a result - which then enhances the dance etc. etc.

Yours unreconstructed,

CRL

[Unregistered]

When your 'face fits' it doesn't necessarily mean you are attractive......maybe just in with the clique or well known.



but I'd be surprised if anyone could be popular on the dance floor and be a bad dancer.

I'd disagree with this.

I had a great night last night actually

[Northants Girly]

When your 'face fits' it doesn't necessarily mean you are attractive......maybe just in with the clique or well known.

I'd disagree with this.

I had a great night last night actuallyI'm glad you had a good night last night.

Why don't you register yourself on the forum properly? :)

[ChrisA]

When your 'face fits' it doesn't necessarily mean you are attractive......maybe just in with the clique or well known.
I didn't say that, though. I suggested that people tend initially to be more favourably disposed towards attractive people - no more, no less, and that such a disposition wears off very quickly if the attractiveness is only on the surface.

What's 'the clique', though? People don't just materialise on the dance scene and find themselves in a 'clique', whatever that means. They have to dance, get to know people, get to be known. It doesn't happen overnight.

If by 'the clique' you mean a group of good dancers who all seem to know one another and like to dance mostly with each other, then if you're interested in them, just ask some of them to dance. If they like dancing with you then you'll very rapidly become accepted. If you don't think you're good enough yet, then there's no shortcut to getting better. Every good dancer has had to learn how to be so, and that takes time.

If you're not interested in joining 'the clique', whatever that is, then it doesn't matter - people only ever care about whether they're popular with people they're interested in.




but I'd be surprised if anyone could be popular on the dance floor and be a bad dancer.

I'd disagree with this.

I had a great night last night actually
Well maybe you're not a bad dancer, then :D

Are you a new dancer? Because if so, don't equate being new with being bad. Beginners are great fun - they're keen to learn, happy (mostly) to laugh at their mistakes, sociable, and an asset to a dance night.
:cheers:

Bad dancers have usually been dancing a while, and are in it more for themselves than their partners. They might grip and yank; if they're male they tend to think they're great but might actually dance off the beat, or attempt complicated moves, badly led, making their partner uncomfortable or actually cause them pain. They should have learned better, but often dance without consideration for those around them. If they're female then they often rely on the guy for balance, anticipate moves and constantly do their own thing, as well as lacerating the guy with their rings, gripping painfully, and yanking arms as well.



I'm glad you had a good night last night.

Why don't you register yourself on the forum properly?

.... :yeah:

Tell us a bit about yourself, and maybe a bit of background to your original question. :flower:

Chris

[Andy McGregor]

Whenever she dances it is with an air of weary detachment. She never "engages" in the dance. I guess (and it is only a guess) it is because
a. she doesn't really like dancing with me
or
b. she really likes dancing but she gets so much "unwelcome" attention that she can't act in any way to give a guy the impression he is "in with a chance".

As a result I have given up dancing with her and dance instead with most women who ask me (as long as I'm not exhausted) or women who I know at least appear to enjoy dancing with me - and they become more attractive to me as a result - which then enhances the dance etc. etc.

Yours unreconstructed,

CRL

I recognise this phenomenon. Very attractive women must get men hitting on them all the time. And they probably get fed up with it. Perhaps they develop a defence mechanism which results in their body language constantly saying "don't even think about it". It works for me, I think it makes them look unattractive.

And, if you're asking yourself the question "what do I do about it?". The answer, IMHO, should be "why do I need to do anything?".

[bobgadjet]

Does popularity = good dancer?

Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.


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I cant see a direct answer to your original question, so

Popularity = being yourself, no matter what that is.
If you are yourself, and be honest about that (with yourself) and not what you think others want you to be, then being yourselkf will make you popular for your honesty.
Being a good dancer is somewhat about practice, but you do need at the least a slight comprehension of rhythmn. If you can feel the music, and feel the beat, then the dance thing mostly follows. The more you can feel the music, the more you will be at one with the dance.
If you are the leader, Mr/Ms or Mrs Unregtistered, then you will be followed by a whole stream of partners wanting to follow your lead in dance.
If, tho, you are the follower, Mr/Ms or Mrs Unregistered, then also FEEL the music, and FOLLOW your leader and above all DONT lead.
Again, practice will make you understand the lead better,and you too will have a whole load of leaders wanting to take you thru a dance, just for the shear pleasure of dancing with you.
Hence in either case, you will become a better dancer, and become more popular, making your equation work in reverse by saying
good dancer = popularity.

Hope this helps.

Who are you please :whistle:

[bobgadjet]

Does popularity = good dancer?

Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.


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Oh yes, I almolst forgot a few other little points.......
Don't think that having a good face makes you a better dancer, or in fact makes you "fit" in. Just take a look at some of the so called good dancers:whistle:
and lastly...........
If your personal hygene is not up to an acceptable standard,:drool: then it doesn't matter how good a dancer you are, or how attractive you are...... I dare say yopu will NEVER be popular.

[Gadget]

Does popularity = good dancer?
Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.
As bobgadet says, good dancer = popularity.
Dancing lots = improving dacing and meeting lots of new people = popularity.

When going to a venue I just look for a place to dump my bag and that's it - if you want to find me, I'm on the dance floor. I don't really socialise or converse other than through the lead. I ain't no Addonis; there are more tallented dancers than me who sit out more; I am asked to dance almost as often as I ask. It's flattering and a great feeling when people notice you - either by your presence or absence - but that's just a side-effect.

The classically 'beautifull people' who I know from dancing all can actually dance - Lisa, Rachel, Drathzel, {etc}... Whether they got good because they got more dances than anyone else is a different matter, but for them I assume it's a double-edged sword - you have more exposure to the 'groinal dancer'.

[Zebra Woman]

If your personal hygene is not up to an acceptable standard,:drool: then it doesn't matter how good a dancer you are, or how attractive you are...... I dare say you will NEVER be popular.

Well said Bob. :clap:

My friends pointed out a fabulous dancer, who was also good looking. But I'm afraid I could smell him from six foot away :eek: . I couldn't possibly dance with him. Please guys (and gals) have a shower, use deodorant and wear absolutiely clean clothes that evening.

I will dance with anyone who looks like they are enjoying dancing with me. I will admit I once asked a guy to dance purely because he was good looking and smelt good too . But second dances don't come so easy.....

It is true that beautiful people seem to get more dances and learn more quickly. But like Bob I'm talking about people who are passionate, enthusiastic, happy looking , true to themselves, that's what makes them beautiful to me - not their face.

[bobgadjet]

It is true that beautiful people seem to get more dances and learn more quickly. But like Bob I'm talking about people who are passionate, enthusiastic, happy looking , true to themselves, that's what makes them beautiful to me - not their face.
Thank you :flower:

Please explain......what makes a person so different thay could be described as "beautiful" :confused: (other than Goldie Hawn that is :whistle: )

[Banana Man]

Who are you please :whistle:

Maybe it's someone really really famous, or someone who is already on the forum posting anon. ?? :what:

Is it you ChrisA?

[bobgadjet]

Maybe it's someone really really famous, or someone who is already on the forum posting anon. ?? :what:

Is it you ChrisA?
Or maybe it's one of those "beautiful" people ? :waycool:

[Gadget]

well it aint ChrisA then !

{:flower: }

[Andy McGregor]

well it aint ChrisA then !

{:flower: }
You may think that, Gadget, but there are many 'wives' out there that think otherwise!

[Zebra Woman]

Thank you :flower:

Please explain......what makes a person so different thay could be described as "beautiful" :confused: (other than Goldie Hawn that is :whistle: )

Yeah she is cute :drool:

Not sure about more detail :confused:

I would say it's an attitude of mind too. It's someone who approaches the dance thinking primarily about what they are about to give, not what they are going to receive.

Obviously that attitude is prevalent not just for the 3 minute dance. It was there when they chose to take a shower and wear clean clothes. And when they took responsibility for their side of the successful dance by learning to follow/lead considerately.

There are far too many to list.....but I would say Bobgadjet and ChrisA are both beautiful people IMHO :flower: :flower: (BTW I'm definitely not one of the wives)

ZW

[Andy McGregor]

(BTW I'm definitely not one of the wives)

ZW
How could you be? There's a waiting list!

[bobgadjet]

There are far too many to list.....but I would say Bobgadjet and ChrisA are both beautiful people IMHO :flower: :flower: (BTW I'm definitely not one of the wives)

ZW
AAAHHHHHHHH Blesss you. That's GOT to be worth a dance, or even 2 (if I'm allowed :whistle: )

Weds ? WCS or 2 ?

Hope so :flower:

[bobgadjet]

How could you be? There's a waiting list!
WAITING FOR WHAT :o

[Unregistered]

Tell us a bit about yourself, and maybe a bit of background to your original question. :flower:

Chris

Its just something i've observed. This is all very personal opinon, but on occassion i've heard/seen talk of 'fan-dabby-dosey' dancers and i can't help wondering what all the fuss is about. The only thing that is fairly noticable in most of these cases is that the 'fabby' dancer just so happens to mix in the correct circles. Maybe i just don't see what others see.

[Unregistered]

Were you just watching ? Or did you dance with them first before reaching this conclusion?

[ChrisA]

Its just something i've observed. This is all very personal opinon, but on occassion i've heard/seen talk of 'fan-dabby-dosey' dancers and i can't help wondering what all the fuss is about. The only thing that is fairly noticable in most of these cases is that the 'fabby' dancer just so happens to mix in the correct circles.
When people talk of fantastic experiences they've had dancing with some individuals, it is, in plenty of cases, undoubtedly real, and it is IMHO quite offensive to label it like this, as if to imply that the way people talk sometimes is more to do with being a social climber than the expression of a genuine appreciation.

In my experience, a sublime dance might be with someone I know, or it might be with a complete stranger. Certainly at the venues I go to most often, I tend to dance more with people I know I like dancing with, but plenty of times there is a dance with someone I don't know very well, if at all, that is just fantastic, and makes up for all the times I get kicked, sliced, or yanked about.


Maybe i just don't see what others see.
That would be my assumption.

Chris

PS Incidentally, is there a reason you seem unprepared to register on the forum, and, as it were, become a real person here? I think it would be better if you're going to effectively slag off a large number of the people who hang out here, accusing them of cliquiness, social climbing, whatever, to at least be prepared to associate a forum identity with your comments.

[Lory]

Maybe i just don't see what others see. :yeah: I agree, this happens to me all the time.

I think 'fabby dancers' come into 2 categories, those who are fab to watch and those who are fab to dance with and some get a tick in both boxes.

Of course, we all seek out the person been who's brought to our attention for some reason or other, maybe they've been pointed out by a friend, maybe they've just caught our eye dancing with someone else, or maybe they have a certain reputation and we'd like to see for ourselves but I can guarantee, I really do make up my own mind in the end.

I found out a long time ago, what's ones persons idea of fabby, maybe differ dramatically from mine. :confused:

I'm afraid the harsh truth is, no matter how good they look, or how good someone's tells me they are, at the end of the day, I like what I like, no matter how popular they are with the masses. :nice:

[djtrev]

Quote;
Being a good dancer is somewhat about practice, but you do need at the least a slight comprehension of rhythmn. If you can feel the music, and feel the beat, then the dance thing mostly follows. The more you can feel the music, the more you will be at one with the dance.

I couldnt agree with you more on this Bobgadjet.If I was a teacher this is the very first lesson I would drum into my beginners.Being able to feel the music and feel the beat makes all the moves much easier.There is nothing worse than trying to dance with someone who is not in tune with the music however hard you try to lead.

[Andy McGregor]

WAITING FOR WHAT :o
As far as I know, ChrisA has 6 wives. If he's that popular there must also be a list of women waiting to become the next Mrs A :flower:

[bigdjiver]

I have enjoyed dancing with a few non-dancers just because they have have such attractive personalities, a sense of humour and a determination to try despite the fact that they are lacking some of the fundamental musicality and coordination necessary to become a dancer. They usually do not last many lessons. There are many really good dancers that I do not enjoy dancing with at all - there just is no connection. I am well aware that that is likely to be my fault. I do not worry unduly, there are more than enough partners that I can have good dances with.

[under par]

:yeah: I

I found out a long time ago, what's ones persons idea of fabby, maybe differ dramatically from mine. :confused:

I'm afraid the harsh truth is, no matter how good they look, or how good someone's tells me they are, at the end of the day, I like what I like, no matter how popular they are with the masses. :nice:

How true Lory.

I have had some fantastic dances with ladies who haven't been dancing long and some lousy dances with well established dancers( mostly my fault I'm sure! )

But reality is such that some great dancers will dance well almost all of the time with most people, whereas most good dancers will dance reasonably well with a lot of other dancers some of the time.

Of those latter described, it isn't necessarily the case that ALL the good dancers will dance reasonably well with the same people.

Every pairing of leader and follower will have a differing experience, with the variables being firstly, 1.each other,
2.the music being played explicitly then and during the whole event (I find a fantastic night of dance music to me will bring out the better dancer in me by the end of the evening!),
3.preferred dance style, as clashes in preferred style between leader and follower can create a dance "friction",
as well as many others I cannot recall at the moment

Dance with a many people as you can and if you give up a bit of yourself to the other in your dance you will always find there will be another dance later whatever your standard.(personal hygene permitting of course!)

[Magic Hans]

Its just something i've observed. This is all very personal opinon, but on occassion i've heard/seen talk of 'fan-dabby-dosey' dancers and i can't help wondering what all the fuss is about. The only thing that is fairly noticable in most of these cases is that the 'fabby' dancer just so happens to mix in the correct circles. Maybe i just don't see what others see.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

I'm not particularly agreeing with you, as I haven't noticed the same things as you. However,

Please feel free to notice what you observe.
Please feel free to express personal opinion, in your own way.
Please feel free to ignore anyone who criticises, or takes offence at your observations or opinions.
Please feel free to register, or not, in your own time, and not anyone elses.

Thanks for the post, and I hope you are still there!!

Ian

[Jooles]

Ian, I couldn't agree with you more. I was thinking exactly the same thing, but wouldn't have been able to put it so well.

[Andy McGregor]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

I'm not particularly agreeing with you, as I haven't noticed the same things as you. However,

Please feel free to notice what you observe.
Please feel free to express personal opinion, in your own way.
Please feel free to ignore anyone who criticises, or takes offence at your observations or opinions.
Please feel free to register, or not, in your own time, and not anyone elses.

Thanks for the post, and I hope you are still there!!

Ian
:yeah:

Good post Ian :waycool:

[Unregistered]

Does popularity = good dancer?

Do you need to have talent or or just be lucky enough to be blessed with a face that fits.


???
Sorry for prolonging this thread even more, but a very interesting question and even more interesting responses. I believe I know the person who posed the question and for those of you who have been doling out advice on how to dance etc, take it from me this person doesn't need your hints and tips because they are one of the best and most talented dancers I have seen for a long long time. Also, for those of you who perhaps picked up the idea that being blessed with a face that fits = attractive, I don't believe that is what the writer was actually meaning. I think they were perhaps referring to the idea that some people make it their business to 'move in the right circles' thereby gaining status and popularity. But all that lovey dovey I'll kiss your ass if you kiss mine stuff really does just get up your nose after a while.

I also have a question I would be very interested to get some feedback on and this is it.

Should the length of time (ie years) you have been dancing for determine the competition category you enter? My feeling on this is no. I have seen many dancers who have been going along to the club/s for years and who have moved themselves up to Advanced level, but in my personal opinion (for what it's worth) I would never place them in this category.

I've been dancing CEROC for around 7 years and will be entering the Intermediate category at Blackpool this year - something that seems to be an issue with some dancers who know me - yes, you know who you are. Or perhaps they have an issue with my dance partner since he entered the Advanced category at the Ceroc Scottish comp last year. However, the latter is a Regional competition and although a fantastic event in its' own right, does not quite compare to the UK Jive champs and the standard of dancers you find there. Him moving down to Intermediate level therefore shouldn't be a problem - other people have done it before him and I know of yet others who are doing it this year.

I consider myself to be a pretty good dancer, but I am well aware of my shortcomings and always keen to learn and improve providing the advice is coming from someone I have some respect for both as an individual and in terms of their dancing ability. I have placed myself in this category for a number of reasons.
1. I have only entered two competitions (apart from Cabarets) in all of the time I have been dancing MJ; 2. I haven't won anything at this level....yet....and 3) I have observed some couples who have moved up to Advanced level and (again in my humble but I think justified opinion because you don't have to be an advanced dancer yourself to recognise talent or lack of it on the dance floor) make an absolute arse of themselves because quite frankly, they just don't make the grade. I certainly don't intend to join their ranks. Comments/opinions on a postcard please....

[Andy McGregor]

Should the length of time (ie years) you have been dancing for determine the competition category you enter? My feeling on this is no. I have seen many dancers who have been going along to the club/s for years and who have moved themselves up to Advanced level, but in my personal opinion (for what it's worth) I would never place them in this category.

I agree that the length of time you've been dancing should be irrelevant. My own, lightly held opinion, is that there should not be categories that you enter: there should be categories that you qualify for. How you qualify to enter Advanced would be a whole new debate - and so would the debate about how you disqualify yourself from entering at lower level. That way we wouldn't have the situation where someone of average ability enters the advanced. Also, a fab dancer who wrongly entered the Intermediate would be promoted to Advanced very quickly. And the decision to enter a particular category would no longer be left to us lowly competitors, it would be out of our hands - shifting the blame for any mistakes to a higher authority and causing less upset between competitors :wink:

And, one thing I do feel strongly about is that people should not be disqualified from entering the intermediate because they entered an advanced competition and came nowhere.

[ChrisA]

people should not be disqualified from entering the intermediate because they entered an advanced competition and came nowhere.
Just for the record, I agree with this :flower:

Provided, obviously, that they haven't recently placed in the intermediate :D

[CJ]

Or perhaps they have an issue with my dance partner since he entered the Advanced category at the Ceroc Scottish comp last year. However, the latter is a Regional competition and although a fantastic event in its' own right, does not quite compare to the UK Jive champs and the standard of dancers you find there.

Comments/opinions on a postcard please....

Lothian is a region.
Grampian is a region.
Scotland is not.




I've been dancing CEROC for around 7 years and will be entering the Intermediate category at Blackpool this year - something that seems to be an issue with some dancers who know me - yes, you know who you are.

And yet, we don't know who YOU are. A shame really, one doesn't have courage of her convictions enough to sign...

[Razzle Dazzle]

Well CJ, as you already know, my previous post was nothing to do with wanting to remain anonymous - I was at work and couldn't remember my password to log on as I post on the forum so infrequently.

Thank you for correcting me on my geographical error - it was never my strong point. :wink:

However, the issue I was really trying to raise was that the two competitions are very different, and I know I'm not alone in thinking this - I would imagine even the organisers of the Scottish competition would agree with this. Anyone who has been to both events and refuses to acknowledge this is sadly misguided.

And I thought dancing was supposed to be fun...... :confused:

[Gadget]

yea, but you're not talking about social dancing: you're talking about competative dancing. :devil:

[Andy McGregor]

And I thought dancing was supposed to be fun...... :confused:
How could Razzle Dazzle be so misguided. Dancing is a life and death battle between the forces of good and evil. Good is beats 1 and 3, evil is beat 2 and 4 - plus anyone with blue skin :whistle:

Plus, dancing is the top of the pyramid. It's what Maslow referred to as 'self actualisation'. It serves no other purpose.

[Andy McGregor]

competative

Some days (or nights) Gadget's spelling crosses the spelling horizon of tolerance. Today is that day/night. Come on Gadget, you went to the trouble of putting it in italics ... :angry: