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jezza
12th-July-2004, 10:48 AM
A question to other forum members:
I am being pressurised by a few dance partners to wear only black.
This I refuse to do, as it shows a lack of imagination. Not that I think there
is anything wrong with wearing black, but if we all wore black, life would be
very boring.
So should all men dress in black, as the majority do, or should we try to be
an individual, dressing the way we think we look best and not copying
everyone else ?
Rhythm King
12th-July-2004, 11:15 AM
I usually wear black T-shirts during normal dance nights, for two reasons. Firstly I'm a firm believer in the slimming qualities of of black tops, especially when not tucked in :grin: Secondly it hides the sweat stains better than any other colour :sick: I frequently describe the quality of a night's dancing by the number of shirts I get through, eg a four shirter, or a five shirter.
For freestyles, I tend to go for the trouser and braces, shirt and waistcoat style of Nigel, et al, albeit with a couple of shirts in reserve. For period functions (eg 1940s) it's either white tie and tails, or proper military uniforms, but that's because I'm a complete peacock and dress up at the drop of a (top)hat.
I have some remarkably LOUD baggies, with purple and other coloured T-shirts, which come out on weekenders, or at Beach Boogie. They sometimes make an appearance in London, when the weather is hot.
In answer to your question, there are sound reasons for wearing black tops (and changing them frequently :wink: ) but nothing to stop you wearing ones with colourful prints. This leaves plenty of room for loud trousers, to maintain your individuality against the MIB throng.
Andy McGregor
12th-July-2004, 11:34 AM
A question to other forum members:
I am being pressurised by a few dance partners to wear only black.
Do not fall for this. There is a Ceroc clone and he wears black trousers and a black shirt, and he's everywhere.
I do have black clothes and even wore them in the Jive Masters - much to everyone's surprise (I even have a 'little black dress', black fishnets and black patent stillettoes:wink: ). But, I think it shows a lack of imagination and eagerness to conform to always wear black.
The argument that black shirts don't show sweat is true. But the same holds true for patterned clothes as well. It's pale shades that are darkened by moisture that should be avoided. And you could also say that white, at least in some fabrics, doesn't show the sweat either.
One thing to consider is the motivation of your partners when asking you to wear black. Are you clothes a disaster area? Are you wearing patterned shirts and patterned trousers? Are you dancing in pyjamas? Do you dress like me?
Or are they saying they think you'll be sexy in black? Maybe black goes with the colour scheme of their bedrooms :devil:
Rachel
12th-July-2004, 11:42 AM
A question to other forum members:
I am being pressurised by a few dance partners to wear only black.
This I refuse to do, as it shows a lack of imagination. Not that I think there
is anything wrong with wearing black, but if we all wore black, life would be
very boring.
So should all men dress in black, as the majority do, or should we try to be
an individual, dressing the way we think we look best and not copying
everyone else ? Strange question! Wear what you want to ...
Andy McGregor
12th-July-2004, 11:47 AM
Strange question! Wear what you want to ...
Good answer, so simple and yet sooo right :waycool:
I think the problem is that a lot of people tell some of us what we should be wearing - or, in my case, not wearing :tears:
Northants Girly
12th-July-2004, 11:51 AM
I've noticed that beginner men start off in nice bright colours then, after they have been coming to Ceroc a few months, revert to black :what:
I can't understand why they do this.
Guys - if you wear black you just blend in with all the other guys wearing black and when us girls try and find you for a dance we can't find you!
Rhythm King
12th-July-2004, 11:52 AM
Strange question! Wear what you want to ...
:yeah:
Of course that's the proper answer. Well said Rachel!
Andy McGregor
12th-July-2004, 12:06 PM
Guys - if you wear black you just blend in with all the other guys wearing black and when us girls try and find you for a dance we can't find you!
Maybe we should number the men in black.
"MIB No 27, your time is up with Northants Girly - your next dance is with Bardsey"
Trish
12th-July-2004, 12:10 PM
I am being pressurised by a few dance partners to wear only black.
This I refuse to do, as it shows a lack of imagination. Not that I think there
is anything wrong with wearing black, but if we all wore black, life would be
very boring.
Who are these people pressurising you - haven't they got any dancing to get on with?!
Have you tried asking them why they want you to wear black? Perhaps Andy is right and they think you look a bit too bright :waycool: - or perhaps they're just jealous of your style and want you to look the same as everyone else.
Anyway I agree with Rachel, wear what you like, although I guess if the brightness of your colour scheme is putting people off you could tone it down a bit (several bright colours at once might be a bit much). Not having seen what you look like (or not to my knowledge anyway) it's difficult to comment! Personally I like a bit of colour though - go for it! :)
Lou
12th-July-2004, 12:12 PM
Hmmm.... personally I think everyone should be heavily encouraged to wear black... plus make-up.... listen to the Sisters Of Mercy.... etc...
But that's just me. :whistle:
Daisy Chain
12th-July-2004, 12:12 PM
Guys - if you wear black you just blend in with all the other guys wearing black and when us girls try and find you for a dance we can't find you!
:yeah:
Also, Changing colours half way through the night confuses me. If I've earmarked a good partner for grabbing later, a shirt change can ruin my stalking plan.
So boys, could you possibly make sure that you have several identical shirts so that I can easily pick out potential victims.............errrrr partners, even after a shirt change. It would also be useful if you could wear the same shirt(s) every week (clean of course) as you all look the same in the dark :whistle: and I have the memory of a gnat. I can't always find fab dancers for a repeat performance in subsequent weeks.
Naturally, I myself will not be wearing the same every week...
Daisy
Rhythm King
12th-July-2004, 12:12 PM
At least MJers wear shirts - you could be doing the Paso Doble with someone who thinks they are Paul Killick, dancing topless in a skirt on Strictly Come Dancing!
(If that isn't handing a response to Mr McG on a plate, I don't know what is :wink: )
Daisy Chain
12th-July-2004, 12:20 PM
At least MJers wear shirts - you could be doing the Paso Doble with someone who thinks they are Paul Killick, dancing topless in a skirt on Strictly Come Dancing!
I danced with a man in a vest on Saturday. I was quite happy until he wiped his wet hairy sweaty armpit across my back and all down my arm. Yuck! :eek:
spindr
12th-July-2004, 12:29 PM
Also, Changing colours half way through the night confuses me.
This is the idea -- it helps some of us get a second dance :)
SpinDr.
CJ
12th-July-2004, 12:38 PM
Hmmm.... personally I think everyone should be heavily encouraged to wear black... plus make-up.... listen to the Sisters Of Mercy.... etc...
GOOD answer!!
:rofl:
ChrisA
12th-July-2004, 12:41 PM
I danced with a man in a vest on Saturday. I was quite happy until he wiped his wet hairy sweaty armpit across my back and all down my arm. Yuck! :eek:
Just for the record, it was not I. :waycool:
I think maybe I need to add another category to my standard list of three that should be shunned on the dance floor...
It now consists of:
Stinkers
Yankers
Pervs, and...
Wipers.
There is no need for the wearing of a sleeveless top to result in any unpleasantness for the lady :mad:
Chris
Northants Girly
12th-July-2004, 01:02 PM
At least MJers wear shirts - you could be doing the Paso Doble with someone who thinks they are Paul Killick, dancing topless in a skirt on Strictly Come Dancing!
I could cope with dancing with a topless Martin Offiah though :yum:
Minnie M
12th-July-2004, 01:04 PM
Strange question! Wear what you want to ...
:yeah:
Minnie M
12th-July-2004, 01:05 PM
At least MJers wear shirts - you could be doing the Paso Doble with someone who thinks they are Paul Killick, dancing topless in a skirt on Strictly Come Dancing!
I could cope with dancing with a topless Martin Offiah though :yum:
:yeah: :drool:
Lory
12th-July-2004, 01:05 PM
Also, Changing colours half way through the night confuses me. If I've earmarked a good partner for grabbing later, a shirt change can ruin my stalking plan.
So boys, could you possibly make sure that you have several identical shirts so that I can easily pick out potential victims.............errrrr partners, even after a shirt change.
:yeah: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Sheepman
12th-July-2004, 04:43 PM
Do not fall for this. There is a Ceroc clone and he wears black trousers and a black shirt, and he's everywhere. I went dressed this way on Saturday night :really:
It was all part of the plan though, as it was a Beach Ball, everyone in colourful gear, so what was the best way to stand out?!
If the women want us to all wear black, isn't it because they think we're all the same anyway? :wink:
Greg
jezza
13th-July-2004, 12:02 PM
I danced with a man in a vest on Saturday. I was quite happy until he wiped his wet hairy sweaty armpit across my back and all down my arm. Yuck! :eek:
Thank you for sharing, I shall have that thought for the rest of the day
DianaS
13th-July-2004, 12:10 PM
I don't mind what guys wear, so long as as they have a nice smile
Daisy Chain
13th-July-2004, 12:14 PM
Thank you for sharing, I shall have that thought for the rest of the day
Can I just share another thought to keep you occupied tomorrow?
It was long tickly, dripping wet armpit hair which slithered all the way from neck to wrist :eek: Darn, I've just put myself right off my lunch
Daisy
Andy McGregor
13th-July-2004, 12:16 PM
I went dressed this way on Saturday night :really:
It was all part of the plan though, as it was a Beach Ball, everyone in colourful gear, so what was the best way to stand out?!
I always use this strategy. You stand out in a loud shirt amongst Ceroc Clones - but you need to be one when nobody else is.
Black looks cool, but it's a bit like The Maverics - overused :wink:
Dazzle
14th-July-2004, 01:52 AM
Guys - if you wear black you just blend in with all the other guys wearing black and when us girls try and find you for a dance we can't find you!
I need all the dances I can get so I wear bright clothes to attract my fans! :yum: :rofl: :rofl: Or that is the theory and my excuse and I am sticking to it! What is wrong with guys wearing pink? :flower:
Northants Girly
14th-July-2004, 09:36 AM
There is nothing wrong with guys wearing pink :grin:
Andy McGregor
14th-July-2004, 10:12 AM
There is nothing wrong with guys wearing pink :grin:
..looks stylish when thrown onto a black silk duvet cover :innocent:
Northants Girly
14th-July-2004, 10:16 AM
Andy :really: that's not what I meant!
I meant pink shows that a guy has a feminine side which I find quite endearing :nice:
Northants Girly
14th-July-2004, 10:17 AM
Except when he is dressed in a pink bunny outfit :wink:
Andy McGregor
14th-July-2004, 10:25 AM
I meant pink shows that a guy has a feminine side which I find quite endearing :nice:
Personally, I think wearing women's clothes shows a guy's feminine side more than wearing pink.
I think a guy being able to carry off a pink cardy says more about his masculinity than his femininity - and a great desire to have the pi55 ripped out of him buy all his mates :whistle:
jezza
14th-July-2004, 11:00 AM
Can I just share another thought to keep you occupied tomorrow?
It was long tickly, dripping wet armpit hair which slithered all the way from neck to wrist :eek: Darn, I've just put myself right off my lunch
Daisy
Well thats just made my day, I suspect your getting excited by this.
under par
14th-July-2004, 11:40 AM
Strange question! Wear what you want to ...
Exactly...............MJ is a mixture of styles if I had to wear a uniform of black I for one would certainly not go.(I don't have much black in the wardrobe)
The dance is an expression of the music played by the dancers and as such the dancers express themselves in how they dress as much as how they dance. :yeah:
under par
14th-July-2004, 11:44 AM
I've noticed that beginner men start off in nice bright colours then, after they have been coming to Ceroc a few months, revert to black :what:
I can't understand why they do this.
Guys - if you wear black you just blend in with all the other guys wearing black and when us girls try and find you for a dance we can't find you!
I often wear a brightly coloured silk shirt to start the evening (with a vest for that bit of absorbency) but it doesn't last very long and I have to change to a variety of coloured (nonblack) shirts during the rest of the evening.
under par
14th-July-2004, 11:48 AM
This is the idea -- it helps some of us get a second dance :)
SpinDr.
In my case it could be a forth, fifth or sixth dance if you ladies really do get that confused. :what: :whistle:
So thats really good for me. :clap: :kiss:
jezza
14th-July-2004, 12:24 PM
Exactly...............MJ is a mixture of styles if I had to wear a uniform of black I for one would certainly not go.(I don't have much black in the wardrobe)
The dance is an expression of the music played by the dancers and as such the dancers express themselves in how they dress as much as how they dance. :yeah:
I totally agree with the above statement, nice to get your support. :clap:
Sheepman
14th-July-2004, 03:44 PM
dancers express themselves in how they dress as much as how they dance. :yeah: This is seriously worrying. As someone who nearly always dresses for comfort rather than style (anybody noticed that :wink: ). It was only after continued harranging that I was persuaded to drop the shorts. (Though expect them to make a reappearance at Beach Boogie).
Greg
Andy McGregor
14th-July-2004, 03:50 PM
It was only after continued harranging that I was persuaded to drop the shorts. (Though expect them to make a reappearance at Beach Boogie).
Greg
I assume you mean 'stop wearing' rather than 'drop' as in pull down.
I went through a phase of wearing shorts which lasted a whole summer. It was only the sight of myself in the LeJive champs that made me realise how silly they look on a male dancer - and how big they make your bum look :tears:
Sparkles
14th-July-2004, 04:26 PM
Also, Changing colours half way through the night confuses me. If I've earmarked a good partner for grabbing later, a shirt change can ruin my stalking plan.
So boys, could you possibly make sure that you have several identical shirts so that I can easily pick out potential partners, even after a shirt change?
:yeah:
This is the best suggestion I've heard made to blokes about thier clothes yet!
Whatever you decide to wear, if you're going to change during the course of an evening change into something that was the same as what you were wearing before. Twice last night I tried to find someone I wanted to dance with based on what they were wearing, and twice realised (only too late) that they'd changed clothes into something completely different during the course of the night :angry: and I missed my chance to ask them for another dance :tears: .
Sigh - how are you going to get stalked if we can't find you??? :wink:
Gordon J Pownall
14th-July-2004, 04:26 PM
I went through a phase of wearing shorts which lasted a whole summer. It was only the sight of myself in the LeJive champs that made me realise how silly they look on a male dancer - and how big they make your bum look :tears:
Actually Andy, it isn't shorts that make your bum look big - it tends to be a fat arse that make bums look big...... :devil: :wink:
Lory
14th-July-2004, 04:39 PM
:yeah:
Sigh - how are you going to get stalked if we can't find you??? :wink: :yeah: Also, the same works in reverse, how can we AVOID certain :sick: ones, if they keep changing too??? :angry: :rofl:
Sparkles
14th-July-2004, 04:50 PM
:yeah: Also, the same works in reverse, how can we AVOID certain :sick: ones, if they keep changing too??? :angry: :rofl:
:yeah: :rofl:
DavidY
14th-July-2004, 10:55 PM
I confess - I'm often a Man in Black. This is mainly because of a thread ages ago where T shirts made of "CoolMax" were recommended as being a good way to keep dry when dancing in hot conditions. They're not miraculous, but they're better than ordinary cotton shirts for instance. So I bought a few of these, and they're black & dark blue (none of the other colours seemed sensible).
So I'm often dressed as a Ceroc clone, but I'm often more comfortable and less sweaty than I'd otherwise be.
There is nothing wrong with guys wearing pink :grin:... but I was wearing pink instead last Saturday... :wink:
jezza
15th-July-2004, 10:16 AM
MJ beware, if you wear black your a ceroc clone. Try and be an individual.
ChrisA
15th-July-2004, 10:22 AM
MJ beware, if you wear black your a ceroc clone. Try and be an individual.
How sad it is to have only one measure of individuality :flower:
Chris
jezza
15th-July-2004, 10:43 AM
How sad it is to have only one measure of individuality :flower:
Chris
How else would MJs show off their individuality, on the dance floor. We all get taught the same moves. I suppose you could try your own interpretation of those moves. But it doesn`t leave much else for expressing individuality.
ChrisA
15th-July-2004, 11:05 AM
I suppose you could try your own interpretation of those moves.
....... :yeah: ... and the music.
But it doesn`t leave much else for expressing individuality.
When I run out of scope for interpretation of the moves and the music, maybe I'll start to worry about my clothes.
But I'm not expecting it to be in this lifetime... :flower:
Chris
Gadget
15th-July-2004, 11:15 AM
:yeah:
Andy McGregor
15th-July-2004, 12:52 PM
When I run out of scope for interpretation of the moves and the music, maybe I'll start to worry about my clothes.
I think ChrisA worries about his clothes as much as I do. If ChrisA wasn't worried about his clothes he would buy them and wear them at random. To wear black week after week probably takes a considerable effort :clap:
ChrisA
15th-July-2004, 01:00 PM
I think ChrisA worries about his clothes as much as I do.
Like that's even possible... :really:
under par
15th-July-2004, 01:02 PM
Like that's even possible... :really:
Come on Chris don't put yourself down like that............. :wink:
Andy McGregor
15th-July-2004, 01:05 PM
Like that's even possible... :really:
Well, wearing black week after week would require a massive effort from me, probably more effort than I put in currently :whistle:
under par
15th-July-2004, 01:08 PM
Well, wearing black week after week would require a massive effort from me, probably more effort than I put in currently :whistle:
Yeah ! you would have to wash your one black outfit after every class!! :wink:
ChrisA
15th-July-2004, 01:12 PM
Yeah ! you would have to wash your one black outfit after every class!! :wink:
But at least he wouldn't need as many hangers as I do...
Andy McGregor
15th-July-2004, 01:15 PM
Yeah ! you would have to wash your one black outfit after every class!! :wink:
I have at least 8 pairs of black trousers and 6 black shirts - I just can't bring myself to choose them over something colourful or sparkly :waycool:
under par
15th-July-2004, 01:16 PM
I have at least 8 pairs of black trousers and 6 black shirts - I just can't bring myself to choose them over something colourful or sparkly :waycool:
Try rose tinted glasses or pretend that black is in fact PINK......go on you can do it. :wink:
ChrisA
15th-July-2004, 01:17 PM
I just can't bring myself to choose them over something colourful or sparkly :waycool:
Ah but have you seen Jayne's shoes? It would be more than my life's worth to out-sparkle those... :devil:
ChrisA
15th-July-2004, 01:18 PM
out-sparkle those... :devil:
And before anyone says it...
... like that's even possible :D
Sparkles
15th-July-2004, 02:37 PM
Everyone should be sparkly!
It's not a case of more or less sparkles - just lots of them always :grin: :clap: !!!
philsmove
15th-July-2004, 03:19 PM
I have at least 8 pairs of black trousers and 6 black shirts
Could this be the start of a new poll?
I have 8 black shirts but only 4 pairs of black trousers
jezza
15th-July-2004, 03:24 PM
I have two pairs of black trousers and thankfully no black shirts. None of
which I will wear to MJ.
Jayne
15th-July-2004, 03:26 PM
Ah but have you seen Jayne's shoes? It would be more than my life's worth to out-sparkle those... :devil:
Indeed! The shoes are sparkle-tastic! Even guys I'm dancing with and haven't met previously comment on how sparkly they are...
J :wink:
under par
15th-July-2004, 03:56 PM
I have two pairs of black trousers and thankfully no black shirts. None of
which I will wear to MJ.
I have 4 pairs of black trousers that match my white shirt, black epaulettes, black tie and tunic for work, not forgetting my black helmet........(why are we called boys in blue???????) :angry:
I rarely wear black to MJ.........I never wear ALL black to MJ :flower:
Lou
16th-July-2004, 12:50 PM
Well.... this lunchtime I just popped down to the centre of Swindon to watch the Jive Aces, with a display of Lindy Hop. It was very good, btw.
Anyway - to get to my point - every Ceroccer there was dressed head to foot in black. :whistle:
jezza
16th-July-2004, 01:48 PM
How sad, shows a complete lack of imagination. :sick:
Andy McGregor
16th-July-2004, 01:58 PM
Ah but have you seen Jayne's shoes? It would be more than my life's worth to out-sparkle those... :devil:
But you could buy a matching pair in your size :devil:
Lou
16th-July-2004, 02:10 PM
How sad, shows a complete lack of imagination. :sick:
Not true! Do you have any idea how tough it is every morning deciding exactly which shade of black goes with which?! :rolleyes:
Rhythm King
16th-July-2004, 02:16 PM
I'm only wearing black til I can find something darker to wear :waycool:
DavidB
16th-July-2004, 03:43 PM
I have 4 different 'modes' of clothing.
Showcase Mode
I've almost always worn black for doing cabarets. If you are the only couple on the floor, you don't need to stand out. And I need all the slimming effect I can get!
(As a result, all the best tops I've got for doing aerials are black - so I had to wear black at the Ceroc Champs)
DWAS Mode
The brighter the better. I have one or two subtle shirts I wear for DWAS comps... Why look slim if no-one sees you anyway?
Smart Freestyle
Hawaiian shirts (Tommy Bahama are the best). Baggy Trousers.
Any other time
Anything clean. Colour doesn't matter.
Forte
16th-July-2004, 04:27 PM
I
Any other time
Colour doesn't matter.
A good unprejudiced stand to make, my man! :rofl:
philsmove
5th-September-2004, 08:35 AM
Guys - if you wear black you just blend in with all the other guys wearing black and when us girls try and find you for a dance we can't find you!
Went to Greased Lighting Dance last night
I now understand what you mean - all the ladies wore pink, very confusing :confused:
jivecat
5th-September-2004, 03:59 PM
I haven't scientifically tested this but it seems to me, if you're at a freestyle where you don't know many people, that a MIB is usually a reasonable bet for a decent dance. Am I wrong, ladies?
Ones to avoid might be men in shorts, (Sorry, Andy McG & Sheepman) men in Hawaiian shirts (Sorry, David B) and men in beige polyester trousers with a check cheesecloth shirt (Noone's owned up). Please dance with me one day and prove me wrong! :nice:
I'd always thought that wearing black clothes, like wearing those black and white shoes or braces, automatically added a few points to your dancing ability just by the mere act of putting them on! :wink:
Andy McGregor
5th-September-2004, 07:18 PM
Ones to avoid might be men in shorts, (Sorry, Andy McG & Sheepman)
The Sheepster and I haven't worn shorts dancing for years. Although we have both worn rather short skirts/dresses more recently :waycool:
jivecat
5th-September-2004, 07:41 PM
The Sheepster and I haven't worn shorts dancing for years. Although we have both worn rather short skirts/dresses more recently :waycool:
Heavens, not Sheepman as well??
At least it gives the 3 of us something in common..... :wink:
Sheepman
6th-September-2004, 01:59 PM
Heavens, not Sheepman as well?? I think it may be something to do with the sea air, for me it started many years ago, in Andy's home town, but long before I'd ever seen him in a skirt!
Greg
baldrick
6th-September-2004, 02:04 PM
I think it may be something to do with the sea air, for me it started many years ago, in Andy's home town, but long before I'd ever seen him in a skirt!
Greg
Move to Scotland, call it a Kilt and relax. its a great trick :grin:
philsmove
6th-September-2004, 10:48 PM
The Sheepster and I haven't worn shorts dancing for years. Although we have both worn rather short skirts/dresses more recently :waycool:
But are they PINK
Andy McGregor
6th-September-2004, 11:00 PM
But are they PINK
Only one is pink, the one with the matching crop-top :waycool:
Stuart M
6th-September-2004, 11:11 PM
I think when you wear black, people start saying you have a 'Latin' style. Maybe it just hides the way you're dancing more...
In general I'd agree with David B's points, with two exceptions.
1. I wouldn't be seen dead in a Hawaiian shirt. I'd go for a basic colour shirt like red or purple instead.
2. I couldn't be seen, dead or alive, doing Arials like Mr.B :worthy:
Yes, this is me, attempting a sensible commentary on dancefloor fashion. I know, I find it :rofl: as well...
Chicklet
7th-September-2004, 08:44 AM
I have 4 different 'modes' of clothing.
[B]Smart Freestyle
Hawaiian shirts (Tommy Bahama are the best). Baggy Trousers.
I'm sure there was mention on here a few moons ago of you road testing an "urban" version - how did this go?? Would this subgenre help Stuart turn his poor phobia into a peccadillo??
jivecat
7th-September-2004, 09:34 AM
At the venue last night there was a man wearing beige shorts, (quite possibly polyester) a hawaiian shirt and black&white shoes. :eek: Obviously, I couldn't dance with him for fear of muddying the evidence for my clothing theory.
Chicklet
7th-September-2004, 09:35 AM
That'll be CJ on tour
Chicklet
7th-September-2004, 09:46 AM
while we're on the subject of last night, the venue I was at boasted a young man purporting to be a taxi dancer but in his OWN T-SHIRT. Personally I think he must have been a plant from an investigative TV show, but it was a pity they didn't do a bit more research - he looked like the kind of guy who would probably look alright in a uniform really :whistle:
ChrisA
7th-September-2004, 10:16 AM
Well, I thought I'd seen most things at Ceroc venues (including cycle clips, worn for the whole night), but last night at a Ceroc venue that shall remain nameless (but I was taxiing last night and I taxi at Twickenham)...
... there was a guy in running shorts.
Yep - the really short ones the slit at the sides :what: :sick: :really: :tears:
People danced with him too. I really think this has all gone far enough...
Chris
jivecat
7th-September-2004, 10:30 AM
.....purporting to be a taxi dancer but in his OWN T-SHIRT.
Dear me, standards are slipping! Does Ceroc HQ know?
jivecat
7th-September-2004, 10:35 AM
....including cycle clips, worn for the whole night
Maybe he was trying to keep his ferrets from escaping?
there was a guy in running shorts.
Yep - the really short ones the slit at the sides :what: :sick: :really: :tears:
People danced with him too. I really think this has all gone far enough...
Chris
This does potentially sound VERY bad, but does depend rather on the body inside those shorts. I think we need to know a bit more about that. For example, he didn't happen to be Brad Pitt, did he?
MartinHarper
7th-September-2004, 10:42 AM
I must remember to look out for Cerocers going swimming. I'll know who they are by watching for the guy huddled in the corner whimpering to himself about all the male flesh.... :)
jivecat
7th-September-2004, 10:45 AM
... there was a guy in running shorts.
Yep - the really short ones the slit at the sides :what: :sick: :really: :tears:
Chris
On second thoughts, there would be a huge risk that, in these shorts, his, er, ferrets would escape.
ChrisA
7th-September-2004, 10:58 AM
This does potentially sound VERY bad, but does depend rather on the body inside those shorts. I think we need to know a bit more about that. For example, he didn't happen to be Brad Pitt, did he?
Er, not as far as I recall.
The body wasn't too bad... slim, but on the downside it was rather hairy (except on the top of the head :tears: ) :really:
He just looked a prat, IMHO. Sorry if this offends the shorts wearers, but hard luck :devil: I know only one guy that can do shorts at dancing, and even so it's a bit borderline.
I'm being a bit bitchy today aren't I? Well at least it's not anonymous :waycool: :wink:
I went dancing in shorts once, but in my defence I was quite drunk and not taking it in the least bit seriously. And I had my normal MIB stuff with me, into which I changed once I started to sober up and could feel embarrassment again. :waycool:
Chris
Andy McGregor
7th-September-2004, 11:51 AM
And I had my normal MIB stuff with me, into which I changed once I started to sober up and could feel embarrassment again. :waycool:
Chris
Your MIB stuff isn't nomal, it's got no sleeves :whistle:
Rhythm King
7th-September-2004, 12:06 PM
I wore shorts once at a Ceroc venue. It was before I realised the connotations. I was thankfully advised by some friendly ladies and haven't done it since. I do wear shorts while dancing in classes at Beach Boogie, or La Santa, but not in the evenings (unless it's fancy dress, but that's a different matter).
Having read this thread with interest, I recently decided to vary my colour scheme for those nights when I'm not dressed in Nigel-clone mode (minus the hat of course) :rofl:. I now own some seriously bright hawaiian shirts, which seem to be going down quite well. I still like doing the MIB thang on a regular basis though.
Andy McGregor
7th-September-2004, 12:16 PM
I now own some seriously bright hawaiian shirts, which seem to be going down quite well.
:yeah:
And if you get really baggy ones they create their own weather system on the inside and keep you cool, temperature wise as well as looking brilliant amongst the MIB clones.
Rhythm King
7th-September-2004, 12:31 PM
:yeah:
And if you get really baggy ones they create their own weather system on the inside and keep you cool, temperature wise as well as looking brilliant amongst the MIB clones.
Indeed, and I wear coolmax t-shirts underneath them too, so they stay cleaner for longer. Still not as flamboyant as you though, mate :wink:
jivecat
7th-September-2004, 12:44 PM
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He just looked a prat, IMHO.
Chris
Well, I suspected as much. But had to check.
Gojive
7th-September-2004, 01:20 PM
Well I'm going to admit to being a MIB frequently! (and I once owned a Lada, but that's another story! :blush: ), BUT........I still get asked to dance all night, and it doesn't seem to have affected my dancing..... :whistle:
So it can't be all that bad...can it? :waycool:
ChrisA
7th-September-2004, 02:06 PM
Your MIB stuff isn't nomal, it's got no sleeves :whistle:
But at least I don't tuck it in... :devil:
Andy McGregor
7th-September-2004, 02:34 PM
Well I'm going to admit to being a MIB frequently!
How will we know which MIB is Gojive? We know which MIB is ChrisA because he's got no sleeves but the rest look identical to me :whistle:
Gojive
7th-September-2004, 04:41 PM
How will we know which MIB is Gojive? We know which MIB is ChrisA because he's got no sleeves but the rest look identical to me :whistle:
I'll be the one getting all the best dances! :yum: :yum: :rofl:
Whitebeard
7th-September-2004, 11:44 PM
..... but does depend rather on the body inside those shorts. I think we need to know a bit more about that.
From observation; shorts are invariably accompanied by thin and scraggy pukeily white legs, with a profusion of black hair, a bouncy bouncy dance, and an inane grin on a face lolling from side to side !!!!
Does that appeal ???
jivecat
8th-September-2004, 12:17 AM
From observation; shorts are invariably accompanied by thin and scraggy pukeily white legs, with a profusion of black hair, a bouncy bouncy dance, and an inane grin on a face lolling from side to side !!!!
Does that appeal ???
Terrifyingly accurate. Except when they're bald and do a yankey yankey dance. (No disrespect to any naughty Americanos who may be reading.)
MartinHarper
8th-September-2004, 12:51 AM
pukeily white legs
The best remedy for white legs is to wear shorts more often. :)
a profusion of black hair
... sounds like male legs. You prefer them shaven?
jivecat
8th-September-2004, 09:22 AM
The best remedy for white legs is to wear shorts more often.
Indeed, but the sun don't shine on most dance floors!
Trish
8th-September-2004, 11:21 AM
I haven't scientifically tested this but it seems to me, if you're at a freestyle where you don't know many people, that a MIB is usually a reasonable bet for a decent dance. Am I wrong, ladies?
Ones to avoid might be men in shorts, (Sorry, Andy McG & Sheepman) men in Hawaiian shirts (Sorry, David B) and men in beige polyester trousers with a check cheesecloth shirt (Noone's owned up). Please dance with me one day and prove me wrong! :nice:
I'd always thought that wearing black clothes, like wearing those black and white shoes or braces, automatically added a few points to your dancing ability just by the mere act of putting them on! :wink:
Yes I thought this too until the other day. There was a new dancer turned up at my regular venue, wearing all black. I though "Ah a man in black, he'll be good for a dance" but he turned out to be pretty rubbish with no sense of rhythm! I was talking to a friend afterwards, and she'd independently thought the same thing and was also disappointed.
I agree with you about the beige trousers and checked shirts though :wink: , I've never had a good dance with one of that brigade yet!
Andy McGregor
8th-September-2004, 11:32 AM
Yes I thought this too until the other day. There was a new dancer turned up at my regular venue, wearing all black. I though "Ah a man in black, he'll be good for a dance" but he turned out to be pretty rubbish with no sense of rhythm! I was talking to a friend afterwards, and she'd independently thought the same thing and was also disappointed.
I agree with you about the beige trousers and checked shirts though :wink: , I've never had a good dance with one of that brigade yet!
I think it's all about expectation. Wear black and they expect you to be good: wear beige and they expect the opposite.
I regularly exploit this. When I go to a new venue I wear my 'nerd' outfit of beige trousers and plain polo shirt - women usually look resigned when I ask them to dance and are pleasantly surprised that I can hear the beat/get the lesson :devil:
baldrick
8th-September-2004, 11:35 AM
I think it's all about expectation. Wear black and they expect you to be good: wear beige and they expect the opposite.
I regularly exploit this. When I go to a new venue I wear my 'nerd' outfit of beige trousers and plain polo shirt - women usually look resigned when I ask them to dance and are pleasantly surprised that I can hear the beat/get the lesson :devil:
Great, now what am I going to do, you've given the game away :wink:
Andy McGregor
8th-September-2004, 11:49 AM
Great, now what am I going to do, you've given the game away :wink:
Glitter, they'll think you're mental :waycool:
Gordon J Pownall
8th-September-2004, 11:52 AM
Glitter, they'll think you're mental :waycool:
So talk me through the boa, pinkness and makeup then Andy - what would a woman expect from a guy wearing this decor.....? :what:
baldrick
8th-September-2004, 12:00 PM
Glitter, they'll think you're mental :waycool:
Don't seem to have a problem with that :sick:
Andy McGregor
8th-September-2004, 12:08 PM
So talk me through the boa, pinkness and makeup then Andy - what would a woman expect from a guy wearing this decor.....? :what:
I'm just one of the honest (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3634) :devil:
Gordon J Pownall
8th-September-2004, 12:17 PM
I'm just one of the honest (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3634) :devil:
Cleanser would help...! :blush:
Andy McGregor
8th-September-2004, 01:03 PM
I'm just one of the honest (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3634) :devil:
Oops! I meant to say "one of the girls honest (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3634)"
baldrick
8th-September-2004, 02:53 PM
Oops! I meant to say "one of the girls "
One of the girls is what?
:confused:
Andy McGregor
8th-September-2004, 02:58 PM
One of the girls is what?
:confused:
Me ...
.. and you think you're 'confused' :innocent:
Gordon J Pownall
8th-September-2004, 03:00 PM
Me ...
.. and you think you're 'confused' :innocent:
This may account for the other 30% then........ :sick:
Whitebeard
8th-September-2004, 07:23 PM
...... Except when they're bald and do a yankey yankey dance.
Baldies have a reputation to uphold which may account for all the yankey yankey hankey pankey !! Don't hold it against them !!!!
And no, one of my few redeeming physical attributes (besides the bronzed legs complete with sun-bleached down) is a full head of hair. Perhaps I should wear shorts and sprinkle the legs with glitter ?
Yogi_Bear
8th-September-2004, 10:41 PM
Terrifyingly accurate. Except when they're bald and do a yankey yankey dance. (No disrespect to any naughty Americanos who may be reading.) OK, I may be going out on a limb here, but I have yet to see a MJ male dancer in shorts with even a modicum of style or ability. Is it just a phase some beginners go through. Is it just poor taste in shorts and the rest of the ensemble?
:D
CJ
9th-September-2004, 11:01 AM
OK, I may be going out on a limb here, but I have yet to see a MJ male dancer in shorts with even a modicum of style or ability. Is it just a phase some beginners go through. Is it just poor taste in shorts and the rest of the ensemble?
:D
Shorts are fun and practical.
Have you seen anyone windsurfing in a tux?!?
Eh, no.
MJ in a suit for a whole night?!?
No.
It's horses for courses: if it's going to be hot, someone is feeling frivolous, then wear shorts. No problem.
Just don't compete in them!!!
Lou
9th-September-2004, 11:05 AM
Just don't compete in them!!!
You've not met our Gareth & Jill, have you? :rofl:
Rachel
10th-September-2004, 12:02 PM
OK, I may be going out on a limb here, but I have yet to see a MJ male dancer in shorts with even a modicum of style or ability. Is it just a phase some beginners go through. Is it just poor taste in shorts and the rest of the ensemble?
:D Well, I know of one male dancer, always in shorts (yep, they're even running shorts with splits!) who is not a bad dancer at all. Very fun and innovative, if somewhat bouncy.
I'd always thought that wearing black clothes, like wearing those black and white shoes or braces, automatically added a few points to your dancing ability just by the mere act of putting them on! Hm, this is interesting. I guess we all make assumptions based on people's appearance, no matter how hard we try not to. And I'm sure I dish out my fair share of pre-judgements ...
However, I don't think I've ever thought a male wearing all black is any more likely to be a good dancer than anyone else.
I'm afraid I agree that the shorts and beige trousers thing often gives me low expectations about the dance to come.
Black and white shoes or braces at MJ, always put me off asking someone to dance - more due to concerns about their attitude, rather than worrying they'd be too good to dance with me.
And hats - I never quite know what to make of a guy who wears a hat - why would they do it? (for MJ freestyling, I mean. Hats obviously go with swing/lindy, and are good in competitions. And always look good on girls!)
But, really, my main assumptions are: if someone's wearing jeans, I always guess they're new to MJ (except if they're Ben/Hollie).
If a guy is wearing combats (my favourite look), I expect the best.
If a guy's in a tux (totally impractical for anything, IMO), I really don't expect too much, even if I know him to be a good dancer - just cos I imagine he'd be way too uncomfortable to dance well.
Of course, it's always a nice surprise to be proved wrong!
Do guys have the same thing about girls? I mean, certain looks/clothing which make you assume things about their dancing? I.e are girls in bikini tops/hats/hipsters/platform boots/... always assumed to be good?
Rachel
Trish
10th-September-2004, 01:44 PM
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Black and white shoes or braces at MJ, always put me off asking someone to dance - more due to concerns about their attitude, rather than worrying they'd be too good to dance with me.
And hats - I never quite know what to make of a guy who wears a hat - why would they do it? (for MJ freestyling, I mean. Hats obviously go with swing/lindy, and are good in competitions. And always look good on girls!)
Rachel
I know what you mean about assuming an attitude if they're wearing b/w shoes, but I know one or two lovely blokes who are not the least bit arrogant who wear them now, so my attitude has adjusted accordingly. Still hold by the beige trouser thing though - I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong!
As to the hats, we had a girl turn up last night in a pink floppy sunhat, it looked very strange on her, but I don't think it said much about her dancing either way!
Rachel
10th-September-2004, 02:14 PM
I know what you mean about assuming an attitude if they're wearing b/w shoes, but I know one or two lovely blokes who are not the least bit arrogant who wear them now, so my attitude has adjusted accordingly. You're right, of course - many people who wear them are actually lovely people & dancers. But I still have this mental 'block' about B&W's - perhaps too much experience of the wanna-be-hotshot dancers who have a supremely arrogant attitude and it's clouded my judgement ...
As to the hats, we had a girl turn up last night in a pink floppy sunhat, it looked very strange on her, but I don't think it said much about her dancing either way! Interesting - must be quite difficult to dance in that?
R.
Alfie
10th-September-2004, 02:54 PM
What difference does the choice of clothes/shoes a dancer make to his/her danceing ability and why should anyone let this choice cloud their judgement?
Methinks there must be alot of people missing out on some fabby dancers because they don't like the colour of their shoes/clothes etc.
Personally I often wear biege trousers but I also wear red, bright blue, teale, black, pinstripes and a variety of multi coloured bowling shirts,Tee shirts and dress shirts. I have ties and braces to match or clash with my outfits and a variety of strokeable waistcoats.
I also wear black and white, brown and white, red black and white, black and red and black dancing shoes of various types. It depends on floor conditions and the outfit I've got on.
So is my choice of attire stopping me from being asked to dance by ladies who do not know me?
I hope not, but I find dressing in all black just a bit boring, although it does hide the sweat. I like to be an individual whilst remaining stylish (imoho) and always try to stay as dry as possible and nice smelling.
I'd like to think ladies would ask me to dance if I was wearing an hessian sack and rags on my feet. I might try this a social experiment watch out for me :nice: :nice:
Rachel
10th-September-2004, 03:32 PM
What difference does the choice of clothes/shoes a dancer make to his/her danceing ability and why should anyone let this choice cloud their judgement? .... Absolutely right! And I normally do like to jump on the 'the types of clothes people wear are completely irrelevant' bandwagon - people should be judged on personality and ability alone. I would certainly never turn someone down for a dance based on their clothes!
But ... I really hate having to admit this, isn't it impossible not to have first impressions of people based on their appearance? If a girl dressed in trendy dance clothing asked you to dance, don't you sometimes think - she looks as if she might be good. And if the girl was dressed in sweater, jeans and trainers, wouldn't you think, she might not have been dancing that long?
I know it's wrong, but surely it can't be helped, can it? And it doesn't mean to say you'd be any less willing to dance with them. Or any less prepared to change your first impression once you know better.
R.
RobC
10th-September-2004, 04:01 PM
I know it's wrong, but surely it can't be helped, can it? And it doesn't mean to say you'd be any less willing to dance with them. Or any less prepared to change your first impression once you know better.
R.
I know what you're saying. Based on Alfie's own description of his clothing alone (I don't know him or anything about his dancing abilities) I suspect that if I was to see him on the edge of a dancefloor about to start dancing next to me, I would think "oh, looks like he is a Lindy Hopper, better make sure I allow a little extra space between him and me as he is likely to do large moves with little regards for people around him."
Now Alfie may never have done a single step on Lindy in his life and may be a very capable and considerate MJ dancer (I don't know him, so I can't comment), but it is a fact of life that certain styles of clothing/appearance are associated with a particular type of person/personality.
Gordon J Pownall
10th-September-2004, 04:08 PM
..........wearing an hessian sack and rags on my feet.
Err.........have you been to my classes then - I thought I'd pinched this idea originally off The Tramp........ :eek: :whistle: :whistle:
Sparkles
10th-September-2004, 04:18 PM
Just getting back to the MIB thing for the moment...
I've noticed at some venues the 'MIB mimic'.
When I first started Cerocing I too would look at MIBs and think 'they must be good, look at the way they're dressed, they look like serious dancers' and then I'd dance with them and ususally this would be the case.
However, just recently I've found that there are not just these MIBs that I originally noticed, but that they have in fact multiplied without the general standard of dancing going up at all... My theory is that this is due to the 'MIB mimics' - ie men that have had the same thoughts as many of the women seem to have had (the, 'oh they look like they might be good dancers cos they're all in black' thought) and so have decided to copy them.
So now we have MIBs who do fit the stereotype that it seems natural to place on them (and are good dancers) and 'mimic MIBs' who are just as bad at dancing as they ever were, but now dress in black. :sick:
Gordon J Pownall
10th-September-2004, 04:21 PM
What about men in sparkles....????
(no pun intended........just desired.... :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: )
Rachel
10th-September-2004, 04:22 PM
I'd like to think ladies would ask me to dance if I was wearing an hessian sack and rags on my feet. I might try this a social experiment watch out for me :nice: :nice: Yes, I think you should do some experiments - it would be fascinating to see the results. You should do a night in usual attire, then scruffy, a tuxedo, all in black, shorts, a kilt, combats, a shell suit ... And report all your findings back to us.
DC did this with her low-cut tops, didn't she? Fascinating that she got more dances without. Um, I mean without the low cut bit, not without a top altogether!
BTW - No matter what you're wearing, I'd still love to dance with you, Alfie, if you're still willing after all I've just said!
Rachel
Alfie
10th-September-2004, 04:27 PM
Absolutely right! And I normally do like to jump on the 'the types of clothes people wear are completely irrelevant' bandwagon - people should be judged on personality and ability alone. I would certainly never turn someone down for a dance based on their clothes!
But ... I really hate having to admit this, isn't it impossible not to have first impressions of people based on their appearance? If a girl dressed in trendy dance clothing asked you to dance, don't you sometimes think - she looks as if she might be good. And if the girl was dressed in sweater, jeans and trainers, wouldn't you think, she might not have been dancing that long?
I know it's wrong, but surely it can't be helped, can it? And it doesn't mean to say you'd be any less willing to dance with them. Or any less prepared to change your first impression once you know better.
R.
It's a shame that owing to human nature that sometimes we treat people like this.
I'm always happy to dance with any lady who asks ( I draw the line at dancing with fellas though) I try my utmost not to be biased by first impressions, hard though it may be and will always do my best to make the dance as enjoyable as possible.
I can say truthfully that as long as my partner for the next dance is female
is standing upright and has a pulse, for the next three minutes or so I'm a happy bunny :grin:I don't really pay that much attention to what they may be wearing as I'm only looking at their faces as I drag them off to the dance floor.
Look out for me Rachel as I will be appearing in Northampton in the near future. I'll be the one in the Hessian sack :rofl: You never know we may have danced allready :nice:
Whitebeard
10th-September-2004, 05:46 PM
Hm, this is interesting. I guess we all make assumptions based on people's appearance, no matter how hard we try not to.
I'm sure most of us are guilty of this and dress can indeed probably tell us quite a lot about the general character of a person, but in the context of a normal class night I'm equally sure it doesn't say a lot about dancing ability ..... with the obvious exception of the MIB, and WIB, who are making a definite dance related statement.
However, I don't think I've ever thought a male wearing all black is any more likely to be a good dancer than anyone else.
On balance, I think we have to assume they probably are (Some are taxis after all and need all the encouragemnt we can give them !!)
Have to disagree with Alfie here ..... black Ts do show the sweat, rather badly.
But, really, my main assumptions are: if someone's wearing jeans, I always guess they're new to MJ .....
Not that new !!! But the Summer heat (What Summer?) recently drove me to seek an alternative, which I found in one of the sports emporiums under the name of leisure pants. Quite baggy things in a very light cotton twill and with an elasticated waist ..... had reservations about that feature, but what a revelation to have such freedom of movement, plenty of air wafting about, and no tight leather belt to cause discomfort. Shirt starts to ruck up a bit after all that stretching? Just tuck it back in, no fuss.
But they only had one colour, Silver, and that's pretty well beige by another name. So am I now a bit of a Wally? And some of the shirts are check ones ..... seersucker which is cool and needs no ironing. Am I getting it all wrong?
If a guy is wearing combats (my favourite look) .....
Oh dear, they are a fashion and personal statement ..... why would anyone (let alone a dancer) want all those superfluous pockets dangling about ?
Do guys have the same thing about girls? I mean, certain looks/clothing which make you assume things about their dancing? I.e are girls in bikini tops/hats/hipsters/platform boots/... always assumed to be good?
Rachel
Not about their dancing, no. Although, high heels cause doubts.
Rachel
10th-September-2004, 06:20 PM
Wow, I think we disagree on just about everything. In a friendly way of course!
… it doesn't say a lot about dancing ability ..... with the obvious exception of the MIB, and WIB, who are making a definite dance related statement. On balance, I think we have to assume they probably are (Some are taxis after all and need all the encouragemnt we can give them !!)
Why? I like to wear black a lot, in and outside dancing – it’s my favourite colour, and I feel secure in it. And it’s certainly not to make a statement about my dancing abilities! I can’t be the only one?
Have to disagree with Alfie here ..... black Ts do show the sweat, rather badly. Only perhaps very faded black, no?
I getting it all wrong? No, nothing’s actually ‘wrong’ – never change what you want to wear just because of someone else’s opinion.
Oh dear, they are a fashion and personal statement ..... why would anyone (let alone a dancer) want all those superfluous pockets dangling about ? Combats? I love men in them. They don’t always have to have hundreds of pockets. I just think they’re a nice casual look which are baggy and comfortable enough to be able to move about in freely.
Not about their dancing, no. Although, high heels cause doubts. Why doubts about high heels? What does that indicate to you? I always wear them and much prefer dancing in heels.
Rachel
DianaS
10th-September-2004, 08:34 PM
Why doubts about high heels? What does that indicate to you? I always wear them and much prefer dancing in heels.
Rachel
It seriously impressses me women wearing high heels. I've worn them twice and just couldn't keep up with the guys at all! :worthy:
Yuko always wears them and looks really stylish
Tiggerbabe
10th-September-2004, 09:07 PM
Yuko always ................looks really stylish
:yeah: And so does Rachel - where's the "green with envy" smilie? :hug: :kiss: :worthy:
DianaS
10th-September-2004, 09:29 PM
:yeah: And so does Rachel - where's the "green with envy" smilie? :hug: :kiss: :worthy:
:yeah:
jivecat
10th-September-2004, 10:09 PM
Now Alfie may never have done a single step on Lindy in his life and may be a very capable and considerate MJ dancer (I don't know him, so I can't comment.......
I have been privileged to dance with Alfie a number of times and can vouch for him being a lovely dancer! :flower: If I had remembered that he ever wears beige trousers I wouldn't have condemned the beige brigade so thoroughly. Come to think about it, I've got a pair of beigeish ceroc trousers myself, though I like to think of them as cream. Also, I've just remembered that one of the worst dancers I can think of ( totally rhythmfree, lurches about like Herman Munster) always wears black. So yet another set of crackpot theories bites the dust.
Keep the irrational prejudices for/against various clothing styles coming, though, they're rather entertaining.
Rachel, I like the combat trouser thing as well, but do you think people have to be under, say 40ish for it to look right? (Whose toes am I leaping on now? Metaphorically of course. On this occasion. :devil: )
jivecat
10th-September-2004, 10:33 PM
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So now we have MIBs who do fit the stereotype that it seems natural to place on them (and are good dancers) and 'mimic MIBs' who are just as bad at dancing as they ever were, but now dress in black. :sick:
Yes, see what you mean. But if you can't dance then dressing as though you can is the next best thing! I know it can act on me like a bit of a confidence booster. But when I go shopping and pull a fab dress off the rails thinking "That would be great for ceroc" I usually put it back thinking I couldn't cope with the vibes it would give off! Is that daft or what?
Everyone should wear what the hell they like BUT it's human nature that initial judgements will be made on superficial features like clothing. I wouldn't turn a dance down from anyone regardless of what they were wearing. (Except maybe Herman, and he never asks me. Phew.) Clothing wouldn't affect the quality or enjoyment of the dance either. I might be slightly more likely to ask someone who was nicely dressed, cos I like clothes, they're interesting, but then, I might just as easily feel intimidated by them.
Whitebeard
10th-September-2004, 11:18 PM
Wow, I think we disagree on just about everything. In a friendly way of course!
They say opposites attract. But let's not get too friendly .... I'm only here for the dance !!
Why? I like to wear black a lot, in and outside dancing – it’s my favourite colour, and I feel secure in it. And it’s certainly not to make a statement about my dancing abilities! I can’t be the only one?
We are talking generalisations here, and I accept your right to like and wear black, but a high proportion of the hotshots who drift in towards the end of the Intermediate class ready for the final freestyle are togged up in black.
Mind you, I've got a very smart pair of slighly shiny black trousers waiting for the moment when I feel I can do them justice !!
..... I just think they’re a nice casual look which are baggy and comfortable enough to be able to move about in freely.
I think my 'leisure pants' fit that description pretty well, so maybe we aren't that far apart ! And the very colourful 'stripey' shirt I wore the other week with those pants eliceted a compliment and what I like to think were other admiring glances. But that one needs the iron.
Why doubts about high heels? What does that indicate to you? I always wear them and much prefer dancing in heels.
Rachel
Was thinking stilletoes (SP?) here, which can be a deadly weapon and I just don't comprehend how they're danceable in ... but I could be wrong and will keep an eye open in future. Certainly some women look walk very elegantly in them, whilst others wobble and lean forward from the waist ..... awful.
Alfie
11th-September-2004, 12:31 AM
I have been privileged to dance with Alfie a number of times and can vouch for him being a lovely dancer!
Awww shucks :blush: :blush:
Rachel
13th-September-2004, 09:03 AM
They say opposites attract. But let's not get too friendly .... I'm only here for the dance !! Ok.
R.
Zuhal
14th-September-2004, 06:47 PM
Why doubts about high heels? What does that indicate to you? I always wear them and much prefer dancing in heels.
Rachel
I asked a lady to dance because she was immaculately dressed (in black as it happens) and 5'11" , and wearing heels :)
They were 2-3 inch heels which told me that this was one confident Lady with a bit of attitude. The dance did not disappoint. :clap:
Zuhal
Lory
14th-September-2004, 07:04 PM
with the obvious exception of the MIB, and WIB, who are making a definite dance related statement.
:eek: :really: WHAT?
When I'm all in black, believe me, it's got absololutly nothing to do with making a statment about my dancing abilities!
It's cos I've tried everything else on in my wardrobe :angry: felt like a hidious fat blob :tears: :tears: and decided black is the onlhy thing that makes me look slightly less hidious! :o
So for me, on THOSE day's, it's either BLACK or a night in! :sick:
philsmove
14th-September-2004, 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by Whitebeard
with the obvious exception of the MIB, and WIB, who are making a definite dance related statement
I think we now know the answerer -it’s man in leather Kilt or the lady in the leather mini Kilt
Whitebeard
14th-September-2004, 08:47 PM
It's cos I've tried everything else on in my wardrobe felt like a hidious fat blob and decided black is the only thing that makes me look slightly less hidious!
Don't believe that sad tale for a moment Lory (If things were that bad there wouldn't be anything else but black in that wardrobe, would there?).
Nevertheless, I accept that I shouldn't have included women in that general statement about black and apologise for the offence caused to one and all of the fair sex. The 'little black dress', after all, has always been a part of many women's armoury.
I suppose, at the time, I felt my remarks should be inclusive and as an afterthought added the dreaded WIB accronym to my post. An underthought afterthought !!
Humble apologies all round.
Lory
15th-September-2004, 11:27 AM
Don't believe that sad tale for a moment Lory (If things were that bad there wouldn't be anything else but black in that wardrobe, would there?).
Gee thanks babe :eek: I'll shoot myself NOW, shall I? :tears: :tears: :rofl:
Tis OK, I'm teasing, I'm sure it wasn't written in the way I read it ;) :hug:
baldrick
15th-September-2004, 11:38 AM
Well having dressed in a rush last night, I went out as 'Brown Man', not a look I like. But didn't seem to kill my chances of dancing. That may have had something to do with some footy match in Glasgow keeping the men away? Took first chance to change to non matching shirt too.
Yogi_Bear
16th-September-2004, 10:43 PM
We are talking generalisations here, and I accept your right to like and wear black, but a high proportion of the hotshots who drift in towards the end of the Intermediate class ready for the final freestyle are togged up in black.
Hmm, I would never describe myself as a hotshot - but after reading this thread I am feeling decidedly nervous about wearing an all black ensemble ever again, especially with b/w shoes. Perhaps the beige approach has its advantages after all, even with combat trousers (chinos?)....
yb
Lou
16th-September-2004, 11:08 PM
Hmm, I would never describe myself as a hotshot - but after reading this thread I am feeling decidedly nervous about wearing an all black ensemble ever again, especially with b/w shoes.
:tears: Please don't stop wearing black! Please no one stop wearing black! The world needs more men in black.... :yum:
Lou
Self-proclaimed President of the Global Organisation to Terminate the Hideous Increase in Colours :waycool:
Whitebeard
16th-September-2004, 11:11 PM
..... I am feeling decidedly nervous about wearing an all black ensemble ever again .....
Forget all our moralising; just be yourself and enjoy.
On reflection, perhaps it's the 'drifting in' for the final hour or so of Freestyle rather than the black clobber that really defines a hotshot. But then, where would we be without our true hotshots to entertain, provide inspiration, and show what's possible for those with real aptitude.
Whitebeard
16th-September-2004, 11:25 PM
Self-proclaimed President of the Global Organisation to Terminate the Hideous Increase in Colours
S i n i s t e r
philsmove
16th-September-2004, 11:28 PM
Hmm, I would never describe myself as a hotshot - but after reading this thread I am feeling decidedly nervous about wearing an all black ensemble ever again, especially with b/w shoes. Perhaps the beige approach has its advantages after all, even with combat trousers (chinos?)....
yb
Remember
4 out 19 women (who expressed an option) would choose a MIB
Only 1 choose beige
But to be sure of a hit, wear kilt and a smile
http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=206
sassy1
17th-September-2004, 12:01 AM
I never pay attention to what a guy is wearing - too busy watching his dancing and how I am going to get across the dance floor before other ladies !! :yum: :drool:
as for what I wear dancing - I wear what makes me feel good on the night - easy :flower:
( as long as anything I wear does not cause an injury to other dancers or myself - It's ok)
Dare to be different - my motto :waycool: :devil:
Andy McGregor
17th-September-2004, 12:46 AM
( as long as anything I wear does not cause an injury to other dancers or myself - It's ok)
That whole MIB thing causes serious injury to my originality sensor :wink:
Dare to be different - my motto :waycool: :devil:
Go for colour, glitter and exposed flesh ...
.. and fab shoes :clap:
Tiggerbabe
17th-September-2004, 02:37 AM
Go for ............... and fab shoes :clap:
Aha, you've met Sassy 1 then Andy? :whistle: :whistle:
Bill
17th-September-2004, 10:41 AM
I often wear black ...... simply because I have a lot of it in my wardrobe and I happen to think it suits me. Although I was all in black on Wednesday I know the lighting is good and so when demo-ing I know I'll still be seen whereas on aThursday the lighting can be quite low so I often wear brighter colour ( last night a red shirt) so that I won't blend into the background completely !!!
Don't often wear my red or beige trousers because I think they might be a little OTT for a normal class night but might dress up a little for the aprty nights :grin:
Lynn
17th-September-2004, 11:03 AM
Hmm - WIB - just had a glance at my suitcase for Southport and there is a lot of black in there! I do wear black a fair bit anyway, but even more so when dancing. Probably because its easy to co-ordinate in a mix and match way (esp when packing). MIB - :grin: I like!
Ballroom queen
9th-April-2005, 09:35 PM
Remember
4 out 19 women (who expressed an option) would choose a MIB
Only 1 choose beige
This thread started with Jezza suggesting that people were encouraging him to wear black. That isn't strictly what they were getting at, it was more about not wearing beige...
hey ho
Scotch Bonnet
9th-April-2005, 09:57 PM
Do men that wear black all the time think it makes them better dancers ??Eh no............As long as you are not smelly and change often it doesn't really matter what the colour is.
Boogie nights (Lindsay) had a Pink party in Edinburgh last night and I have to say 'Think Pink',lot's of pink shirts ,it looked good !!!
Happy Springtime
xx
jezza
9th-April-2005, 11:16 PM
Beige, Black one should strive to be an individual, and not wear what
everyone else is wearing. The girls do it. You don`t often see the girls
wearing the same outfit, week after week.
While some men have one set of dance clothes, that they turn up in. Week
after week. No matter how many times they go dancing during the week.
Whitebeard
9th-April-2005, 11:46 PM
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Beige, Black one should strive to be an individual ....
It's a fresh, clean, shirt every night, what else can be expected of a regular guy ??
Lou
10th-April-2005, 07:43 AM
So this thread's raised its ugly head again. Oh dear. As I said in post 147 (http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81793&postcount=147), no one should be discouraged from wearing black .
But let's not forget those poor disadvantaged dancers who are somewhat chromatically challanged, and need our help in the wardrobe department:
http://leroc.net/images/beigeconcern.gif
Beige Concern - for those less fortunate dancers...
And do it now - remember the next stage is Cardigans, and can be terminal!
johnthehappyguy
10th-April-2005, 11:44 AM
..... one should strive to be an individual, and not wear what
everyone else is wearing. The girls do it. You don`t often see the girls
wearing the same outfit, week after week....
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
johnthehappyguy :nice:
David Bailey
10th-April-2005, 06:53 PM
Beige, Black one should strive to be an individual, and not wear what
everyone else is wearing. The girls do it. You don`t often see the girls
wearing the same outfit, week after week.
While some men have one set of dance clothes, that they turn up in. Week
after week. No matter how many times they go dancing during the week.
Hopefully not exactly the same set. Hey, I've got round-necked black T-shirts, V-necked black T-shirts, loose black T-shirts, tight black T-shirts, new black T-shirts, old black T-shirts... :)
It's actually quite hard to find decent plain black T-shirts, anyone know a good place where I can score some in North London?
Gadget
10th-April-2005, 09:32 PM
... old black T-shirts... :)Your "old black t-shirts" are actually still considered "old black t-shirts"?? :what: :worthy:
philsmove
10th-April-2005, 10:59 PM
It's actually quite hard to find decent plain black T-shirts, anyone know a good place where I can score some in North London?
http://www.bbclothing.co.uk/acatalog/hugo_boss_T_Shirts.html
well they are plain apart from the logo and
they even do a beige one
ElaineB
10th-April-2005, 11:07 PM
http://www.bbclothing.co.uk/acatalog/hugo_boss_T_Shirts.html
well they are plain apart from the logo and
they even do a beige one
But not a frog or prince in sight.............. :whistle:
Elaine
David Bailey
11th-April-2005, 09:04 PM
are plain apart from the logo and
Call me crazy, but "plain apart from the logo" - I'm not keen on advertising a logo, I just want a nice silky plain black T-shirt. Everything has design on it nowdays - spent an hour in Brent Cross today looking for one, it's very frustrating. I'm happy to pay good money for a good T-shirt, but no-one wants to sell me one :sad:
Your "old black t-shirts" are actually still considered "old black t-shirts"??
Well, with a loose definition of both "old" and "black", yes :)
Good thing about dark MJ venues is that you can't tell (I hope) how "light black" some have become. I'm a packrat when it comes to Tshirts, I only threw away my "'94 ceroc dance marathon" Tshirt a couple of years ago. Where's that "Ewwwww" icon...
philsmove
11th-April-2005, 11:27 PM
.....I just want a nice silky plain black T-shirt. ...
I put "nice silky plain black T-shirt" into google
and this is what I found
http://www.google.dealtime.co.uk/xGS-plain_t_shirt~NS-1~linkin_id-3054620
why waist time walking round shops
when everthing you want is on the net
David Bailey
12th-April-2005, 09:51 AM
why waist time walking round shops
when everthing you want is on the net
Because (and ignoring the fact that most of those results are women's T-shirts :) ) clothing is personal - I prefer to see and feel what I buy. If I just wanted a black T-shirt, I could pop down to Tesco's and get one for £2. What I want is a good plain black T-shirt, and they seem to be hard to find...
I'll certainly have a look online, and thanks for the pointer, but I'd still want to see and touch it first.
For what it's worth, bearing in mind the thread, last night I wore beige to go dancing - I have witnesses, ESG was there :)
Lou
12th-April-2005, 09:55 AM
For what it's worth, bearing in mind the thread, last night I wore beige to go dancing - I have witnesses, ESG was there :)
Phil said to me he nearly wore beige last night, but I frowned disapprovingly at him...
jezza
12th-April-2005, 10:08 AM
Call me crazy, but "plain apart from the logo" - I'm not keen on advertising a logo, I just want a nice silky plain black T-shirt.
Can anyone help me find a nice Beige T-Shirt.
Sheepman
12th-April-2005, 03:52 PM
4 out 19 women (who expressed an option) would choose a MIB
Only 1 choose beige Jezza, I can't understand why you're 1 in 19 hasn't come around yet? :wink: :devil:
Greg
David Bailey
17th-April-2005, 05:21 PM
Woo-hoo! I've managed to find (after some 90 minutes in Brent Cross - believe me, not fun) a decent black T-shirt from Massimo Dutti.
I've also found out the one I really want to buy, they're "Kinetic" brand (here's the product range (http://www.traditionalclothing.sagenet.co.uk/products.htm)). I did this by the sneaky method of looking at the label of my fave Tshirt and using Google, clever huh...
The trouble is, I don't know where I bought the T-shirt in the first place, and the original suppliers only accept orders of 50 units or more (hey, I was tempted... :) ).
So, has anyone seen this brand in any high-street retailers? Apparently it's clubwear, which I'm told is something young people wear to discotheques...
philsmove
17th-April-2005, 09:36 PM
the original suppliers only accept orders of 50 units or more
hint hint
sampels
David Bailey
18th-April-2005, 08:31 AM
hint hint
sampels
Ahhh... :whistle:
:worthy:
MartinHarper
21st-April-2005, 10:33 AM
Some random dancer said to me once: "chef trousers (http://www.chefworks.co.uk/pants.htm)"
Anything in it?
El Salsero Gringo
3rd-May-2005, 06:29 PM
Found some great black t-shirts in M&S today, will road-test them tonight and report further if the results are favourable...
David Bailey
4th-May-2005, 04:30 PM
Found some great black t-shirts in M&S today, will road-test them tonight and report further if the results are favourable...
And the results are...?
Yogi_Bear
4th-May-2005, 04:37 PM
And the results are...?In the spirit of this thread I am considering carrying out a survey of the colours worn by men this weekend at Camber - results and anaylsis to be published in this thread... :waycool:
jezza
4th-May-2005, 04:39 PM
Gosh, we do live in exciting times.
Lou
4th-May-2005, 04:39 PM
Anything in it?
Looks like a chef to me. :whistle:
clevedonboy
4th-May-2005, 05:11 PM
In the spirit of wearing anything but black (sorry Lou) I bought this:
http://www.askforbenefits.com/images/b2_1_b.jpg
El Salsero Gringo
4th-May-2005, 05:42 PM
And the results are...?Very good. The one I wore last night tood up well to being put on, danced in, sweated into, looked at, taken off, screwed into a small pile then finally placed in the wash basket. (hasn't got any further than that, yet.) Can't report for longevity or washability yet, but things are looking hopeful. You can order it from www.marksandspencer.com (click on quickorder and enter the code T14 0230)
It's 65% cotton, 23% polyester, 7% polyamide, 6% lycra.
The other two I have (but not worn yet) are M&S Authentic Collections label, style number T14 0114. (same website: there's an image this time.) Fabric is 47% cotton, 47% modal, 6% lycra. I think they are sold as underwear (vests) but don't tell anyone.
Lou
5th-May-2005, 11:17 AM
In the spirit of wearing anything but black (sorry Lou)
That's OK. :whistle: Just count yourself struck off my Christmas card list. Especially if you end up wearing it to Nailsea.
(that's if I get there. I've come down with ElaineB's cold. Despite not having seen her for a month at least).
clevedonboy
5th-May-2005, 11:21 AM
Won't be wearing it at Nailsea - Going for the Johnny Cash Man In Black look :) mind you I think that might only last for a short while as the whole long sleeves, waistcoat and hat is likely to lead to a bit of overheating. So I'll probably slip into something hawaiian later.
philsmove
5th-May-2005, 02:40 PM
Won't be wearing it at Nailsea - Going for the Johnny Cash Man In Black look :) mind you I think that might only last for a short while as the whole long sleeves, waistcoat and hat is likely to lead to a bit of overheating. So I'll probably slip into something hawaiian later.
How about somthing like this
clevedonboy
5th-May-2005, 02:44 PM
Blimey - spitting image of how I'll look apart from the fact that he's tall, dark haired, slim and handsome & he's wearing a white shirt. I definitely won't have my weapon out. :blush:
ElaineB
5th-May-2005, 03:59 PM
In the spirit of wearing anything but black (sorry Lou) I bought this:
http://www.askforbenefits.com/images/b2_1_b.jpg
Have we met? Lou, do I know this person???????? :really: :D
Elaine
clevedonboy
5th-May-2005, 04:21 PM
Yes we have met briefly at Nigel & Nina's workshop (I'm saving the yellow for a suitable themed dance - beach would be good so that everyone else has sunglasses)
andrew w
David Bailey
4th-June-2005, 09:30 PM
Resurrecting this thread (due to the demands of thousands of requests to Know More About Black T-shirts), I can now endorse ESG's M&S recommendation - the "Autograph" range of, err, vest-y black Tshirts, are superb.
Great material, lovely fabric, I'll be road-testing them over the next few weeks.
However: {RANT}
Why oh why oh why don't they put these T-shirts in the T-shirts section? I know they may be called vests, but it looks and feels like a flippin' T-shirt to me, it's what I'm looking for in a T-shirt, how is it I had to stumble across them by chance? No wonder M&S is going to the dogs - that's £50 of my cash they could have had 6 months ago, if they'd only put the T-shirts all together.
{/RANT}
Glad that's off my chest... :)
Tiggerbabe
4th-June-2005, 10:29 PM
Glad that's off my chest... :)
Cripes! I thought I was gonna see you wearing said t-shirt, but, already you're undressing :blush:
Whitebeard
4th-June-2005, 11:43 PM
Cripes! I thought I was gonna see you wearing said t-shirt, but, already you're undressing.......
Thing is; is it scrawny or sporting a fine pair of pecs !!!!
David Bailey
5th-June-2005, 10:33 AM
Thing is; is it scrawny or sporting a fine pair of pecs !!!!
Dunno, too much hair to tell really :grin:
philsmove
23rd-April-2006, 01:00 PM
Prompted by this thread and to avoid being an “MIB clone”, I decided to invest in some bright red criminal damage pants
Only to discover at Big Bang I was a “bright red criminal damage pants clone” at least 3 of us had I identical outfits :rofl:
So if you want to look different, don’t buy your clothes from a dance shop
Lou
23rd-April-2006, 01:06 PM
Only to discover at Big Bang I was a “bright red criminal damage pants clone” at least 3 of us had I identical outfits :rofl:
:rofl: I know. I kept catching sight of the trousers & thinking it was you! I was only right later on the night! :wink:
Now, you see why going MIB is the only way... :drool:
Lory
23rd-April-2006, 05:33 PM
Prompted by this thread and to avoid being an “MIB clone”, I decided to invest in some bright red criminal damage pants
Only to discover at Big Bang I was a “bright red criminal damage pants clone” at least 3 of us had I identical outfits :rofl:
So if you want to look different, don’t buy your clothes from a dance shop
I noticed at LEAST three identical and you must have been one of them? :wink: (I'd have said hello, if i'd realised :flower: ) + another 2 in plain red!
Don't worry, I'm in no place to comment :hug: I was a 'WIB' as usual! :rolleyes: :blush:
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